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Re: question about using NVDA with iTunes

Felix G.
 

Here's an iTunes with NVDA question: What's the secret to navigating
the menu bar? Pressing alt then arrow keys will neither read nor
Braille anything useful.
Is there an up-to-date tutorial somewhere?
Btw, I found no web-app-like structure in iTunes. Sure, some panels
are web views, but to call it a web app??
Best,
Felix
Re: question about using NVDA with iTunes

Felix G.
 

Hi,
wow, did I miss something crucial? They turned it into a web app?
Haven't looked at it in a while as I found it clunky and slow and just
not fun to use.
Best,
Felix

Am Do., 23. Mai 2019 um 00:54 Uhr schrieb Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@gmail.com>:


Well being that itunes is a web app most nvda web commands should work, it has a few treeviews in it to though.

I think this is all on this though.



On 23/05/2019 10:49 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:

With Nimer's points in mind, I'll just add:

- NVDA doesn't have any specific keystrokes purely for iTunes, so getting around iTunes should be a matter of either its own inbuilt keystrokes, or standard NVDA or Windows keys.

A quick google search for "iTunes pc keyboard shortcuts" found this article from Apple themselves with keystrokes for iTunes: https://support.apple.com/en-au/guide/itunes/keyboard-shortcuts-itns1019/windows

Looking on our GitHub issue tracker, we only have one open issue which even mentions iTunes - and that is for a more generic drag and drop functionality which mentions iTunes as an example where it could be used. So, if there are any specific issues with NVDA in iTunes, (and you've exhausted that it's not just a matter of finding the right existing keystroke etc), please do let us know about them.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Thu, May 23, 2019 at 8:44 AM Nimer Jaber <nimerjaber1@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello,

this is a note to anyone who may respond to this thread. If you respond, please try to think of how NVDA may relate to the response. If, as I suspect, the issue is more about how to use iTunes, then please refrain from responding. There are many lists where this question is on topic, one of them being the chat subgroup.

Thanks.

On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 3:41 PM Wayne Scott <waynedscottjr@gmail.com> wrote:


I am trying to move around my iTunes library with NVDA on my PC. I want to go in and delete songs and albums, but cannot figure out how. I have Windows 10 and am using the latest update on NVDA, a _not. Wayne Scott ver
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locked Re: NVDA versus JAWS

Sky Mundell
 

Hello Erick. I have to agree with you. To add to your post, JAWS no longer works with the spellchecker in Office 2019. Meaning, if you push f7, JAWS is just going to say ignore button and nothing else. This started happening in JAWS 18 and it still happens to this day. Needless to say, I'm disappointed with the state of it. When I started using it in 3.5 days, it was perfect! Sure it had its faults, but it at that time was still in the employ of Henter-Joyce, under the direction of a man named Ted Henter who was blind. Now days, JAWS seems to be going downhill. Sad to say, whenever you're at the top, you tend to sit back a little bit. And when you are the second, you tend to work harder. It's honestly sad to watch JAWS go downhill. Fortunately, some if not all agencies are waking up and realising that they're not getting what they are paying for with JAWS updates.

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of erik burggraaf
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2019 5:32 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io; Aine Kelly Costello
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA versus JAWS

Greetings,

On May 21, 2019 9:04:07 PM "Aine Kelly Costello" <ainekc@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi all,

New here and my apologies if this topic has been well-covered before but
I’ve not found an efficient ways to search group archives yet!

This topic gets bogged down in politics anyway and it's a personal
favourite of mine.

I’m switching back to Windows after using a Mac for a couple of years, as
I’ll be studying investigative journalism and am fairly sure I’ll find any
software we need to use etc. to work better on Windows than Mac (still
getting info on that).

I think that's a gross generalization. If I could use mac for everything,
I would. Windows is OK for the asics, especially if you have a good means
of flashing back to a known good configuration, but I don't like it for the
high performance applications I need.


My question is: can you tell me about anything that springs to mind that
NVDA does particularly poorly that JAWS does well? In the domains of MS
Word, excel and web browsing, in particular.

Interesting turn of phrase. I'm biassed but in my experience the reverse
is true. I just started a training for a customer using jaws that wanted
to learn flipp. I didn't think it would be an issue, since I had just used
flipp in chrome with nvda very well. With jaws, it was just really clunky
and gross. The customer got so frustrated. I tried chrome and edge with
flipp and with other more basic sites and wasn't really pleased with any of
it. Speaking of webpage summaries was very random. Some webpages loaded
on screen but not in virtual buffer. It was discouraging.

I did have to turn a formula bar setting off in NVDA so that I could use
inline editing for cells in excel spreadsheets last term. I forget where
the setting is now, but could find it if needed. Other than that, I
haven't had any problems in word or excel using nvda. I've done some
complex reports with tables of content, heading structures, and
bibliographies and have never had trouble getting formatting information
and finding the options I need.

On the other hand, I went out to do a training for a college student using
jaws for an excel course, and it was brootal. He had some intermitant
focus issue where he couldn't navigate cells. Then he would restart the
computer and things would work for a bit. Then it would poop out on him.
In the spring I went out to do a jaws training and the customer had his
authorization fail. List indexes aren't being reported properly. The mail
app that comes with windows 10 is doing screwie things, and jaws loses
focus in html content such as webpages and emails.

OK, these are small sample sizes, but it seems to me as though jaws screws
up all the time nowadays. I figure, if something goes wrong with NVDA:
*Odds are good it'll be fixed in months rather than years.
*I haven't paid anything out of pocket.
*There's a strong support community and excellent documentation.

Honestly, I don't see what you would get out of jaws that you wouldn't get
from either nvda or voiceover.

I imagine JAWS is well-ahead of NVDA in OCRing by now, for instance, but
perhaps there’s enough free software around to do this efficiently now that
that’s not a big deal any more … thoughts?

OCR is a nonstarter. Everything does it now. Just pull out your phone and
get'er done. Realisticly, almost all daily computing such as email, web,
simple word processing and document reading can and probably should be done
on mobile anyway. I have 4 email accounts on my phone, and only one on
each of my development machines, and I'm writing this email from my phone
where I'm sitting comfortably on a bus with a work table in front of
me.Thanks very much in advance,

Best wishes,

Áine
Re: Function Needed and Price Therefor

Quentin Christensen
 

With our issue tracker, the easiest place to start is:  https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues

Type your query into the edit box and it will find any issues with those keywords.  Firstly it will display open issues (issues which are not yet resolved).  There will be links saying "4 open", and "12 closed" (I just made up those numbers obviously), if you activate the "x closed" link, it will show you closed issues relating to your search.

If you activate the "New issue" button, it will first get you to choose whether you are reporting a bug (something which should work but doesn't), or a "feature request" (a new feature you'd like to see, or a new program you'd like to have support added for).

After selecting either, as you type the subject into the edit field, it will suggest issues which may match what you are looking for below that.  You can either go to one of those issues, or ignore them and add the new issue anyway.

You are, of course, welcome to bring thoughts or questions here first - sometimes there might be a way to do something already or a reason something is the way it is - whatever you are comfortable with.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Thu, May 23, 2019 at 9:19 AM Ed Marquette <marquette.ed@...> wrote:
Thank you.
I did not know one could go to a list of open issues.
That is really fantastic.
Thank you.



On May 22, 2019, at 6:04 PM, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:

Hi Ed,

We are certainly aware of the request for this feature and that it is something a few people want.  Here is one of our open issues which references it: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6360

Given that it is also references by the "Speech refactor" project - something we are working on which will hopefully make it easier to tailor speech like this, it might be worth being patient until later in the year when this can hopefully be implemented a little easier.

To your original question though - absolutely it is possible to commission someone to create add-ons.  We all know there is an industry of people who write scripts for.... other screen readers.... and the fact is the same could exist for NVDA - in fact, add-ons can be even more powerful if created by someone familiar with Python and our Add-on system.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Thu, May 23, 2019 at 8:43 AM Ed Marquette <marquette.ed@...> wrote:
All:
I have refrained from commenting on the NVDA v. JAWS thread.  The fact is that both are powerful.  I’ve switched to NVDA primarily because JAWS just does not work with critical applications I use at my firm.  JAWS slows down Outlook and two other crucial applications to the point that they just cannot be used.
NVDA, by contrast, runs like the wind.
There is one feature that existed in JAWS that I miss terribly in NVDA.  In JAWS, one can set capitalization recognition to occur when reading, not just by letter or by word, but also by line.  There is no equivalent setting in NVDA, and I have found no Add-in to offer this functionality.
Is it off-limits to offer to pay someone to create an add-in to add that functionality to NVDA





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Re: Function Needed and Price Therefor

Ed Marquette
 

Thank you.
I did not know one could go to a list of open issues.
That is really fantastic.
Thank you.



On May 22, 2019, at 6:04 PM, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:

Hi Ed,

We are certainly aware of the request for this feature and that it is something a few people want.  Here is one of our open issues which references it: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6360

Given that it is also references by the "Speech refactor" project - something we are working on which will hopefully make it easier to tailor speech like this, it might be worth being patient until later in the year when this can hopefully be implemented a little easier.

To your original question though - absolutely it is possible to commission someone to create add-ons.  We all know there is an industry of people who write scripts for.... other screen readers.... and the fact is the same could exist for NVDA - in fact, add-ons can be even more powerful if created by someone familiar with Python and our Add-on system.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Thu, May 23, 2019 at 8:43 AM Ed Marquette <marquette.ed@...> wrote:
All:
I have refrained from commenting on the NVDA v. JAWS thread.  The fact is that both are powerful.  I’ve switched to NVDA primarily because JAWS just does not work with critical applications I use at my firm.  JAWS slows down Outlook and two other crucial applications to the point that they just cannot be used.
NVDA, by contrast, runs like the wind.
There is one feature that existed in JAWS that I miss terribly in NVDA.  In JAWS, one can set capitalization recognition to occur when reading, not just by letter or by word, but also by line.  There is no equivalent setting in NVDA, and I have found no Add-in to offer this functionality.
Is it off-limits to offer to pay someone to create an add-in to add that functionality to NVDA





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Re: Remote add-on not present

Richard Wells
 

2.2 is the latest Remote Add-on.

On 5/22/2019 1:37 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
Hi,
A friend is running the latest NVDA on windows 7 64.
He added the remote add-in, 2.1 and it does not show up in tools.
I have the same setup and it is there in mine.
Any suggestions?
Thanks.
 
Re: braille edge

Grant Metcalf
 

I had a Braille Edge and now have a QBraille XL. I also notice that from time to time there seems to be a blank line while reading. This always seems to be at the end of a paragraph or a hard return. When I up arrow it often goes away. However, I haven't used this with NVDA so far.
Grant

-----Original Message-----
From: Nevzat Adil
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2019 12:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] braille edge

I am a literary braille proofreader and use Braille Edge for my work.
The main drawback I encountered so far is that occasionally it shows
an empty line where it's not supposed to be.
I have already let the HIMS no about this and hopefully it will be fixed soon.
It can also be used as a standalone notetaker, but limitted to text
and brf files.
Nevzat


On 5/22/19, Fernando Apan <ferapan@utexas.edu> wrote:
Hello. For me, working with my braille edge and NVDA has been a very good
experience, however, the arrow keys doesn???t seem to work with NVDA as they
do in other screen readers. Does anybody know if they have fixed this
problem so far?
Fernando Apan

Enviado desde mi iPhone

El 22 may 2019, a las 8:39, Cecelia Rodriguez <cessbraille@gmail.com>
escribi??:


I love my braille edge with NVDA.
rent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Robert Doc Wright godfearer
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2019 6:25 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] braille edge

I have been using mine now for a year this month. Before this my last
braille display was the Braille Light 40 back in 99. I gave it back
because I was taking programming classes and it would not have helped me
in that effort as far as being able to run the program I wrote. The
BrailleEdge40 I am enjoying for both reading and writing. Be aware that if
you are also wanting to go on-line then you will either have to Bluetooth
it to your phone or connect it to your pc. It does not have these
capabilities on its own. Its memory is based on the size of the SD card
you install. Let me know if I can help in any other way.


If all I have left in
this world is God, I have everything!




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Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2019 10:20 PM
To: Nvda
Subject: [nvda] braille edge

Hi all,
Could anyone tell me of their experiences using NVDA with the Braille Edge
from HIMS? I???m considering purchasing one but would just love some
personal feedback. Does it work well specifically for editing documents?
Thanks so much.
Ashley


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Re: Function Needed and Price Therefor

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Ed,

We are certainly aware of the request for this feature and that it is something a few people want.  Here is one of our open issues which references it: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6360

Given that it is also references by the "Speech refactor" project - something we are working on which will hopefully make it easier to tailor speech like this, it might be worth being patient until later in the year when this can hopefully be implemented a little easier.

To your original question though - absolutely it is possible to commission someone to create add-ons.  We all know there is an industry of people who write scripts for.... other screen readers.... and the fact is the same could exist for NVDA - in fact, add-ons can be even more powerful if created by someone familiar with Python and our Add-on system.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Thu, May 23, 2019 at 8:43 AM Ed Marquette <marquette.ed@...> wrote:
All:
I have refrained from commenting on the NVDA v. JAWS thread.  The fact is that both are powerful.  I’ve switched to NVDA primarily because JAWS just does not work with critical applications I use at my firm.  JAWS slows down Outlook and two other crucial applications to the point that they just cannot be used.
NVDA, by contrast, runs like the wind.
There is one feature that existed in JAWS that I miss terribly in NVDA.  In JAWS, one can set capitalization recognition to occur when reading, not just by letter or by word, but also by line.  There is no equivalent setting in NVDA, and I have found no Add-in to offer this functionality.
Is it off-limits to offer to pay someone to create an add-in to add that functionality to NVDA





--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
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locked Re: NVDA versus JAWS

Aine Kelly Costello
 

Thanks everyone for your comments.

To be clear, my intention in posing this question was not to suggest that NVDA is a poor choice of screenreader, or to davalue it in comparison to JAWS. It was simply to get to the heart of the fact that different screenreaders have their pros and cons, and while I’ll definitely download and have NVDA for use regardless of if I buy JAWS, the financial question to sort out is whether to get JAWS, if that makes sense. That’s why I posed the question looking one-sided haha.

Again, I appreciate your input:)

Áine

On 23/05/2019, at 10:41 AM, Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:

 
Hi I can confirm this. It’s best to have 2 screan readers on yor system.  Should one not work with whatever it is you are doing. Then the other will work.
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
 
From: Bianka Brankovic
Sent: May 22, 2019 4:08 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA versus JAWS
 
Hello Aine, hello list, 
 
I am not able to give you an objective view here, just my experiences. 
 
Coming from a Mac/Unix environment myself I would say NVDA does a good job with standard office applications. Of course, if you want to play it safe and you have the financial possibilities, update your Jaws to the newest version before starting your studies. After all, you never know if you will encounter a software that doesn’t work with NvDA and works with Jaws. Personally, I subscribe to the view that it’s always good to have more than one screen reader installed just in case something is not as accessible as you would like it.
 
As to your original question though, if you are pretty sure that you will be using standard software and you are considering if you really need Jaws to survive in the computer age, my personal answer is no. 
 
Hope that helps … 
 
Thanks and kind regards,
 
Bianka 
  

 
Re: question about using NVDA with iTunes

Shaun Everiss
 

Well being that itunes is a web app most nvda web commands should work, it has a few treeviews in it to though.

I think this is all on this though.



On 23/05/2019 10:49 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
With Nimer's points in mind, I'll just add:

- NVDA doesn't have any specific keystrokes purely for iTunes, so getting around iTunes should be a matter of either its own inbuilt keystrokes, or standard NVDA or Windows keys.

A quick google search for "iTunes pc keyboard shortcuts" found this article from Apple themselves with keystrokes for iTunes: https://support.apple.com/en-au/guide/itunes/keyboard-shortcuts-itns1019/windows

Looking on our GitHub issue tracker, we only have one open issue which even mentions iTunes - and that is for a more generic drag and drop functionality which mentions iTunes as an example where it could be used.  So, if there are any specific issues with NVDA in iTunes, (and you've exhausted that it's not just a matter of finding the right existing keystroke etc), please do let us know about them.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Thu, May 23, 2019 at 8:44 AM Nimer Jaber <nimerjaber1@...> wrote:
Hello,

this is a note to anyone who may respond to this thread. If you respond, please try to think of how NVDA may relate to the response. If, as I suspect, the issue is more about how to use iTunes, then please refrain from responding. There are many lists where this question is on topic, one of them being the chat subgroup.

Thanks.

On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 3:41 PM Wayne Scott <waynedscottjr@...> wrote:

I am trying to move around my iTunes library with NVDA on my PC. I want to go in and delete songs and albums, but cannot figure out how. I have Windows 10 and am using the latest update on NVDA, a _not. Wayne Scott ver 
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Re: question about using NVDA with iTunes

Quentin Christensen
 

With Nimer's points in mind, I'll just add:

- NVDA doesn't have any specific keystrokes purely for iTunes, so getting around iTunes should be a matter of either its own inbuilt keystrokes, or standard NVDA or Windows keys.

A quick google search for "iTunes pc keyboard shortcuts" found this article from Apple themselves with keystrokes for iTunes: https://support.apple.com/en-au/guide/itunes/keyboard-shortcuts-itns1019/windows

Looking on our GitHub issue tracker, we only have one open issue which even mentions iTunes - and that is for a more generic drag and drop functionality which mentions iTunes as an example where it could be used.  So, if there are any specific issues with NVDA in iTunes, (and you've exhausted that it's not just a matter of finding the right existing keystroke etc), please do let us know about them.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Thu, May 23, 2019 at 8:44 AM Nimer Jaber <nimerjaber1@...> wrote:
Hello,

this is a note to anyone who may respond to this thread. If you respond, please try to think of how NVDA may relate to the response. If, as I suspect, the issue is more about how to use iTunes, then please refrain from responding. There are many lists where this question is on topic, one of them being the chat subgroup.

Thanks.

On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 3:41 PM Wayne Scott <waynedscottjr@...> wrote:

I am trying to move around my iTunes library with NVDA on my PC. I want to go in and delete songs and albums, but cannot figure out how. I have Windows 10 and am using the latest update on NVDA, a _not. Wayne Scott ver 
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Re: question about using NVDA with iTunes

Nimer Jaber
 

Hello,

this is a note to anyone who may respond to this thread. If you respond, please try to think of how NVDA may relate to the response. If, as I suspect, the issue is more about how to use iTunes, then please refrain from responding. There are many lists where this question is on topic, one of them being the chat subgroup.

Thanks.

On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 3:41 PM Wayne Scott <waynedscottjr@...> wrote:

I am trying to move around my iTunes library with NVDA on my PC. I want to go in and delete songs and albums, but cannot figure out how. I have Windows 10 and am using the latest update on NVDA, a _not. Wayne Scott ver 
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you, and have a great day!
Function Needed and Price Therefor

Ed Marquette
 

All:
I have refrained from commenting on the NVDA v. JAWS thread. The fact is that both are powerful. I’ve switched to NVDA primarily because JAWS just does not work with critical applications I use at my firm. JAWS slows down Outlook and two other crucial applications to the point that they just cannot be used.
NVDA, by contrast, runs like the wind.
There is one feature that existed in JAWS that I miss terribly in NVDA. In JAWS, one can set capitalization recognition to occur when reading, not just by letter or by word, but also by line. There is no equivalent setting in NVDA, and I have found no Add-in to offer this functionality.
Is it off-limits to offer to pay someone to create an add-in to add that functionality to NVDA
question about using NVDA with iTunes

Wayne Scott <waynedscottjr@...>
 


I am trying to move around my iTunes library with NVDA on my PC. I want to go in and delete songs and albums, but cannot figure out how. I have Windows 10 and am using the latest update on NVDA, a _not. Wayne Scott ver 
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locked Re: NVDA versus JAWS

Arlene
 

 

Hi I can confirm this. It’s best to have 2 screan readers on yor system.  Should one not work with whatever it is you are doing. Then the other will work.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Bianka Brankovic
Sent: May 22, 2019 4:08 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA versus JAWS

 

Hello Aine, hello list,

 

I am not able to give you an objective view here, just my experiences.

 

Coming from a Mac/Unix environment myself I would say NVDA does a good job with standard office applications. Of course, if you want to play it safe and you have the financial possibilities, update your Jaws to the newest version before starting your studies. After all, you never know if you will encounter a software that doesn’t work with NvDA and works with Jaws. Personally, I subscribe to the view that it’s always good to have more than one screen reader installed just in case something is not as accessible as you would like it.

 

As to your original question though, if you are pretty sure that you will be using standard software and you are considering if you really need Jaws to survive in the computer age, my personal answer is no.

 

Hope that helps …

 

Thanks and kind regards,

 

Bianka

  

 
locked Re: NVDA versus JAWS

Arlene
 

Can confirm this.  When I took an online course. I had to use NVDA Jaws did not work well with that online course.  I switch back and forth.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Angelo Sonnesso
Sent: May 22, 2019 5:45 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [NVDA] NVDA versus JAWS

 

I have never had these problems with Jaws, and I have found NVDA equally

reliable.

Each screen has better access in some cases, and so I frequently switch back

and forth.

Narrator is getting there, but is not quite ready for productivity.

 

 

73 N2DYN Angelo

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of erik

burggraaf

Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2019 8:32 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io; Aine Kelly Costello

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA versus JAWS

 

Greetings,

 

On May 21, 2019 9:04:07 PM "Aine Kelly Costello" <ainekc@...> wrote:

 

Hi all,

 

New here and my apologies if this topic has been well-covered before but I've

not found an efficient ways to search group archives yet!

 

This topic gets bogged down in politics anyway and it's a personal favourite

of mine.

 

I'm switching back to Windows after using a Mac for a couple of years, as I'll

be studying investigative journalism and am fairly sure I'll find any software

we need to use etc. to work better on Windows than Mac (still getting info on

that).

 

I think that's a gross generalization.  If I could use mac for everything, I

would.  Windows is OK for the asics, especially if you have a good means of

flashing back to a known good configuration, but I don't like it for the high

performance applications I need.

 

 

My question is: can you tell me about anything that springs to mind that NVDA

does particularly poorly that JAWS does well? In the domains of MS Word, excel

and web browsing, in particular.

 

Interesting turn of phrase.  I'm biassed but in my experience the reverse is

true.  I just started a training for a customer using jaws that wanted to

learn flipp.  I didn't think it would be an issue, since I had just used flipp

in chrome with nvda very well.  With jaws, it was just really clunky and

gross.  The customer got so frustrated.  I tried chrome and edge with flipp

and with other more basic sites and wasn't really pleased with any of it.

Speaking of webpage summaries was very random.  Some webpages loaded on screen

but not in virtual buffer.  It was discouraging.

 

I did have to turn a formula bar setting off in NVDA so that I could use

inline editing for cells in excel spreadsheets last term.  I forget where the

setting is now, but could find it if needed.  Other than that, I haven't had

any problems in word or excel using nvda.  I've done some complex reports with

tables of content, heading structures, and bibliographies and have never had

trouble getting formatting information and finding the options I need.

 

On the other hand, I went out to do a training for a college student using

jaws for an excel course, and it was brootal.  He had some intermitant focus

issue where he couldn't navigate cells.  Then he would restart the computer

and things would work for a bit.  Then it would poop out on him.

In the spring I went out to do a jaws training and the customer had his

authorization fail.  List indexes aren't being reported properly.  The mail

app that comes with windows 10 is doing screwie things, and jaws loses focus

in html content such as webpages and emails.

 

OK, these are small sample sizes, but it seems to me as though jaws screws up

all the time nowadays.  I figure, if something goes wrong with NVDA:

*Odds are good it'll be fixed in months rather than years.

*I haven't paid anything out of pocket.

*There's a strong support community and excellent documentation.

 

Honestly, I don't see what you would get out of jaws that you wouldn't get

from either nvda or voiceover.

 

I imagine JAWS is well-ahead of NVDA in OCRing by now, for instance, but

perhaps there's enough free software around to do this efficiently now that

that's not a big deal any more . thoughts?

 

OCR is a nonstarter.  Everything does it now.  Just pull out your phone and

get'er done.  Realisticly, almost all daily computing such as email, web,

simple word processing and document reading can and probably should be done on

mobile anyway.  I have 4 email accounts on my phone, and only one on each of

my development machines, and I'm writing this email from my phone where I'm

sitting comfortably on a bus with a work table in front of me.Thanks very much

in advance,

 

Best wishes,

 

Áine

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 
Re: MS office DAISY training module

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Robert,

I'm glad to hear you've enjoyed Basic Training with NVDA in Audio (Glen, who narrated it will be pleased also!)

We haven't had quite as much demand to produce the other modules in audio (or Braille), so at this stage, we've concentrated on making Basic Training available in a choice of formats, with the later modules in electronic text.

On Thu, May 23, 2019 at 5:40 AM Robert Kingett <kingettr@...> wrote:
What plans does NV Access have to make audio versions of the other help
documents in the NVDA store? Such as the Office training books? I've
really loved the getting started DAISY audio package. I'm just wondering
if NV Access has plans to make audio versions of the other books?





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Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

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Re: NVDA Tutorials Ordered

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi David,

You're most welcome - and re the bundle, or buying just a couple of modules, that's no problem - we put the options there so people can choose what works for them.  I also replied to your query about accessing the material, but if you have any other questions, please don't hesitate to ask.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Thu, May 23, 2019 at 12:56 AM David Russell <david.sonofhashem@...> wrote:
Hello NVDA Folks,

I completed an online order for the basic eBooks for both NVDA and MS
Word, and thank Ed, Quentin, and Bianka for their responses to my
previous posts concerning tutorials. The bundle was more than what is
wanted. Thanks!
Kindest Regards,
--
David Russell
david.sonofhashem@...





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Training and Support Manager

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Re: query about review curser

Quentin Christensen
 

Good morning,

The review cursor (and it's partner, Object Navigation) are fairly complex topics.  While the straight keys are listed in the User Guide, that is really more a reference for those who have already learnt how to use them.  I would suggest the Basic Training for NVDA module which not only covers these topics (and many others) but after explaining each function, gives you a step-by-step activity to walk you through practicing using it.  The module is available either on its own, in several choices of format, or as part of the NVDA Productivity Bundle, from our shop: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

In good news, it just so happens, that the section on the Review Cursor, is the free sample chapter you can read online to get a feel for how the material works before purchasing: https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvdaTrainingSamples/sample_of_basic_training_for_NVDA.html

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Thu, May 23, 2019 at 12:13 AM Meet modi <meetmodi2359@...> wrote:
Hello group member i have query regarding review curser and its appropreate topic i won't to learn about that can any one explane?



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Training and Support Manager

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Windows 10 App Essentials 19.06 released, add-on development plan for the next few months #addonrelease

Joseph Lee
 

Hi all,

 

Windows 10 App Essentials 19.06 is now available. This release improves support for just released Windows 10 Version 1903 (May 2019 Update), specifically when it comes to modern keyboard.

 

In addition, here’s what will happen with this add-on in the next few months:

  1. End of support countdown for Version 1803 (April 2018 Update): as of May 27, 2019 (which will be Memorial Day in United States), end of support countdown for Windows 10 Version 1803 will be in effect. This means at least 60 days from that date, Windows 10 App Essentials add-on will drop support for that version of Windows 10; future releases from that point on will require Version 1809 (October 2018 Update). This may change under two conditions: a major upgrade bug is found in Version 1903 (May 2019 Update) that results in data loss or similar catastrophes, or a critical change is made to NVDA that necessitates extending end of support for Version 1803. The former is unlikely, while the latter may happen, and if one of these should happen, support will be extended to end of August and no more after that.
  2. Version 1803 and development snapshot releases: if you are using development builds of this add-on, Version 1803 will be dropped sooner – no later than June 22, 2019, which is exactly a month from today. There will be no support extension for development build users.
  3. Upcoming development builds may require NVDA 2019.1 or later: some of you may have noticed that recent development builds of this add-on does not install on NVDA releases earlier than 2019.1. This was done so I can test what happens if strictly NVDA 2019.1 code is used in this add-on. This will continue for a while.
  4. NVDA version jump: typically I support current and most recent NVDA releases in this add-on (currently 2018.4 and 2019.1.x). However, once Project Threshold is given a green light by NV Access people (not yet at the moment) and once that project is released to the general public (as a stable version, not a snapshot or RC), I will initiate version jump – Windows 10 App Essentials will require stable Threshold version of NVDA. However, given that one of the anticipated changes deal with Python 3 and due to problems it may bring, I will give you at least 60 days grace period, with the start and end dates to be determined then.

 

Regarding version jump as a result of Project Threshold: it won’t be limited to Windows 10 App Essentials. I will announce more details in regards to my add-ons in a future email.

Cheers,

Joseph
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