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locked Re: NVDA versus JAWS

Devin Prater
 

About other platforms, I think that we think accessibility is great because there aren't other options on Mac and iOS, and Android...

On Windows, though, we do have the option of using other screen readers, thus working around what accessibility problems there are, to an extent. On Linux, things aren't much better than they were 5 years ago, and indeed, are worse for lack of more accessibility-focused distributions since Vinux and Sonar merged together, and fell together. There is only one GUI screen reader on Linux, and it hacks around inaccessibility just like NVDA has to sometimes.

The difference is that with Microsoft being a learn-it-all company, they continually improve, whereas Linux, being more of a "every man for himself," type OS, there is no guarantee besides the message of possible utopia, that accessibility will be fixed in anything by its communities.


On May 23, 2019, at 11:09 AM, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:

Hi,

I think part of it may have to do with bad accessibility API implementations from affected apps (we have countless issues regarding this, including Registry Editor). It might be possible to get around this (at least temporarily) by assigning commands to “flattened view” commands (already done for touchscreens, but not for keyboard yet).

As for someone’s question about touchscreen support and NVDA: yes, it does.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Nimer Jaber
Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2019 8:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Group Moderators <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA versus JAWS

 

Hello,

 

Respectfully, I find that touch cursor is able to access more than object navigation. While I like object nav, the ability to use the keyboard to essentially swipe is helpful. I have been able to access parts of inaccessible programs using the touch cursor whereas object nav did not work for me.

 

thanks.

 

On Thu, May 23, 2019 at 8:53 AM Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:

Hi,

Touch cursor, as far as mechanics is concerned, is object navigation.
Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2019 8:52 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA versus JAWS

 

One thing Jaws has implemented that is helpful is the touch cursor.

This emulates a touch screen with the cursors, whether you have a touch screen installed or not.

Does NVDA have touch screen support?

If so, I may resource this in NVDA.

I too still switch to Jaws when I feel like I need a "jaws cursor".

Glenn

 

 

Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2019 2:36 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA versus JAWS

 

Hello,

 

I’m throwing out  a bit of feedback as well. I use NVDA almost exclusively nowadays. However, I keep preferring the JAWS cursor approach, compared to the concept of screen review found in NVDA. Moreover, JAWS seems to be somewhat better at dealing with programs that haven’t been designed with accessibility in mind. One example to illustrate this: There is a software I use a lot, it’s called Uninstall Tool. It helps uninstall programs by also cleaning up everything they leave behind, which most stand-alone uninstallers do not do unfortunately. In this software, there is a place where we can choose what category of “uninstallable” apps we want to display. That part hasn’t been designed to be reach with the keyboard. With JAWS, I can painlessly find those categories with the JAWScursor,left-click the one I want, and boom, the list opens. On the other hand, when using screen review in NVDA, those categories aren’t even being announced, it’s as if they didn’t exist at all. Therefore, for that program and a few others, I am forced o switch to JAWS.

 

Back to the original question now. Personally, I would advise having both screen readers installed, you can never know what surprises you might have, especially if you try to use different new programs for different purposes. I truly wish NVDA became better at seeing and reporting things that it’s not supposed to, to deal with those situations in which a software creator doesn’t care about accessibility. If I’m not mistaken, JAWS uses a special driver that interacts directly with the graphic card or the video driver, something that NVDA doesn’t do. I might be wrong here, I remember reading about this somewhere long time ago, that’s all.

 

I hope this annoying story is going to help your decision a little bit.

 

Warm regards from Europe,

 

Vlad.


 

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locked Re: NVDA versus JAWS

Gene
 

Object navigation is the NVDA equivalent of the Touch Cursor.  Those who want touch cursor functionality in NVDA need to learn it.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2019 10:51 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA versus JAWS

One thing Jaws has implemented that is helpful is the touch cursor.
This emulates a touch screen with the cursors, whether you have a touch screen installed or not.
Does NVDA have touch screen support?
If so, I may resource this in NVDA.
I too still switch to Jaws when I feel like I need a "jaws cursor".
Glenn
 

Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2019 2:36 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA versus JAWS

Hello,

 

I’m throwing out  a bit of feedback as well. I use NVDA almost exclusively nowadays. However, I keep preferring the JAWS cursor approach, compared to the concept of screen review found in NVDA. Moreover, JAWS seems to be somewhat better at dealing with programs that haven’t been designed with accessibility in mind. One example to illustrate this: There is a software I use a lot, it’s called Uninstall Tool. It helps uninstall programs by also cleaning up everything they leave behind, which most stand-alone uninstallers do not do unfortunately. In this software, there is a place where we can choose what category of “uninstallable” apps we want to display. That part hasn’t been designed to be reach with the keyboard. With JAWS, I can painlessly find those categories with the JAWScursor,left-click the one I want, and boom, the list opens. On the other hand, when using screen review in NVDA, those categories aren’t even being announced, it’s as if they didn’t exist at all. Therefore, for that program and a few others, I am forced o switch to JAWS.

 

Back to the original question now. Personally, I would advise having both screen readers installed, you can never know what surprises you might have, especially if you try to use different new programs for different purposes. I truly wish NVDA became better at seeing and reporting things that it’s not supposed to, to deal with those situations in which a software creator doesn’t care about accessibility. If I’m not mistaken, JAWS uses a special driver that interacts directly with the graphic card or the video driver, something that NVDA doesn’t do. I might be wrong here, I remember reading about this somewhere long time ago, that’s all.

 

I hope this annoying story is going to help your decision a little bit.

 

Warm regards from Europe,

 

Vlad.


locked Re: NVDA versus JAWS

 

Hi,

I think part of it may have to do with bad accessibility API implementations from affected apps (we have countless issues regarding this, including Registry Editor). It might be possible to get around this (at least temporarily) by assigning commands to “flattened view” commands (already done for touchscreens, but not for keyboard yet).

As for someone’s question about touchscreen support and NVDA: yes, it does.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Nimer Jaber
Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2019 8:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Group Moderators <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA versus JAWS

 

Hello,

 

Respectfully, I find that touch cursor is able to access more than object navigation. While I like object nav, the ability to use the keyboard to essentially swipe is helpful. I have been able to access parts of inaccessible programs using the touch cursor whereas object nav did not work for me.

 

thanks.

 

On Thu, May 23, 2019 at 8:53 AM Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:

Hi,

Touch cursor, as far as mechanics is concerned, is object navigation.
Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2019 8:52 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA versus JAWS

 

One thing Jaws has implemented that is helpful is the touch cursor.

This emulates a touch screen with the cursors, whether you have a touch screen installed or not.

Does NVDA have touch screen support?

If so, I may resource this in NVDA.

I too still switch to Jaws when I feel like I need a "jaws cursor".

Glenn

 

 

Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2019 2:36 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA versus JAWS

 

Hello,

 

I’m throwing out  a bit of feedback as well. I use NVDA almost exclusively nowadays. However, I keep preferring the JAWS cursor approach, compared to the concept of screen review found in NVDA. Moreover, JAWS seems to be somewhat better at dealing with programs that haven’t been designed with accessibility in mind. One example to illustrate this: There is a software I use a lot, it’s called Uninstall Tool. It helps uninstall programs by also cleaning up everything they leave behind, which most stand-alone uninstallers do not do unfortunately. In this software, there is a place where we can choose what category of “uninstallable” apps we want to display. That part hasn’t been designed to be reach with the keyboard. With JAWS, I can painlessly find those categories with the JAWScursor,left-click the one I want, and boom, the list opens. On the other hand, when using screen review in NVDA, those categories aren’t even being announced, it’s as if they didn’t exist at all. Therefore, for that program and a few others, I am forced o switch to JAWS.

 

Back to the original question now. Personally, I would advise having both screen readers installed, you can never know what surprises you might have, especially if you try to use different new programs for different purposes. I truly wish NVDA became better at seeing and reporting things that it’s not supposed to, to deal with those situations in which a software creator doesn’t care about accessibility. If I’m not mistaken, JAWS uses a special driver that interacts directly with the graphic card or the video driver, something that NVDA doesn’t do. I might be wrong here, I remember reading about this somewhere long time ago, that’s all.

 

I hope this annoying story is going to help your decision a little bit.

 

Warm regards from Europe,

 

Vlad.


 

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locked Re: NVDA versus JAWS

Lenron
 

I really need to refresh my memory on jaws commands not really sure
how to use the touch curser.

On 5/23/19, Nimer Jaber <nimerjaber1@...> wrote:
Hello,

Respectfully, I find that touch cursor is able to access more than object
navigation. While I like object nav, the ability to use the keyboard to
essentially swipe is helpful. I have been able to access parts of
inaccessible programs using the touch cursor whereas object nav did not
work for me.

thanks.

On Thu, May 23, 2019 at 8:53 AM Joseph Lee <@joslee>
wrote:

Hi,

Touch cursor, as far as mechanics is concerned, is object navigation.
Cheers,

Joseph



*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Glenn /
Lenny
*Sent:* Thursday, May 23, 2019 8:52 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] NVDA versus JAWS



One thing Jaws has implemented that is helpful is the touch cursor.

This emulates a touch screen with the cursors, whether you have a touch
screen installed or not.

Does NVDA have touch screen support?

If so, I may resource this in NVDA.

I too still switch to Jaws when I feel like I need a "jaws cursor".

Glenn





*From:* Vlad Dragomir <vladdragomir1983@...>

*Sent:* Thursday, May 23, 2019 2:36 AM

*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io

*Subject:* Re: [nvda] NVDA versus JAWS



Hello,



I’m throwing out a bit of feedback as well. I use NVDA almost
exclusively
nowadays. However, I keep preferring the JAWS cursor approach, compared
to
the concept of screen review found in NVDA. Moreover, JAWS seems to be
somewhat better at dealing with programs that haven’t been designed with
accessibility in mind. One example to illustrate this: There is a
software
I use a lot, it’s called Uninstall Tool. It helps uninstall programs by
also cleaning up everything they leave behind, which most stand-alone
uninstallers do not do unfortunately. In this software, there is a place
where we can choose what category of “uninstallable” apps we want to
display. That part hasn’t been designed to be reach with the keyboard.
With
JAWS, I can painlessly find those categories with the
JAWScursor,left-click
the one I want, and boom, the list opens. On the other hand, when using
screen review in NVDA, those categories aren’t even being announced, it’s
as if they didn’t exist at all. Therefore, for that program and a few
others, I am forced o switch to JAWS.



Back to the original question now. Personally, I would advise having both
screen readers installed, you can never know what surprises you might
have,
especially if you try to use different new programs for different
purposes.
I truly wish NVDA became better at seeing and reporting things that it’s
not supposed to, to deal with those situations in which a software
creator
doesn’t care about accessibility. If I’m not mistaken, JAWS uses a
special
driver that interacts directly with the graphic card or the video driver,
something that NVDA doesn’t do. I might be wrong here, I remember reading
about this somewhere long time ago, that’s all.



I hope this annoying story is going to help your decision a little bit.



Warm regards from Europe,



Vlad.



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Nimer Jaber

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locked Re: NVDA versus JAWS

Nimer Jaber
 

Hello,

Respectfully, I find that touch cursor is able to access more than object navigation. While I like object nav, the ability to use the keyboard to essentially swipe is helpful. I have been able to access parts of inaccessible programs using the touch cursor whereas object nav did not work for me.

thanks.

On Thu, May 23, 2019 at 8:53 AM Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:

Hi,

Touch cursor, as far as mechanics is concerned, is object navigation.
Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2019 8:52 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA versus JAWS

 

One thing Jaws has implemented that is helpful is the touch cursor.

This emulates a touch screen with the cursors, whether you have a touch screen installed or not.

Does NVDA have touch screen support?

If so, I may resource this in NVDA.

I too still switch to Jaws when I feel like I need a "jaws cursor".

Glenn

 

 

Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2019 2:36 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA versus JAWS

 

Hello,

 

I’m throwing out  a bit of feedback as well. I use NVDA almost exclusively nowadays. However, I keep preferring the JAWS cursor approach, compared to the concept of screen review found in NVDA. Moreover, JAWS seems to be somewhat better at dealing with programs that haven’t been designed with accessibility in mind. One example to illustrate this: There is a software I use a lot, it’s called Uninstall Tool. It helps uninstall programs by also cleaning up everything they leave behind, which most stand-alone uninstallers do not do unfortunately. In this software, there is a place where we can choose what category of “uninstallable” apps we want to display. That part hasn’t been designed to be reach with the keyboard. With JAWS, I can painlessly find those categories with the JAWScursor,left-click the one I want, and boom, the list opens. On the other hand, when using screen review in NVDA, those categories aren’t even being announced, it’s as if they didn’t exist at all. Therefore, for that program and a few others, I am forced o switch to JAWS.

 

Back to the original question now. Personally, I would advise having both screen readers installed, you can never know what surprises you might have, especially if you try to use different new programs for different purposes. I truly wish NVDA became better at seeing and reporting things that it’s not supposed to, to deal with those situations in which a software creator doesn’t care about accessibility. If I’m not mistaken, JAWS uses a special driver that interacts directly with the graphic card or the video driver, something that NVDA doesn’t do. I might be wrong here, I remember reading about this somewhere long time ago, that’s all.

 

I hope this annoying story is going to help your decision a little bit.

 

Warm regards from Europe,

 

Vlad.



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Best,

Nimer Jaber

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locked Re: NVDA versus JAWS

 

Hi,

Touch cursor, as far as mechanics is concerned, is object navigation.
Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2019 8:52 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA versus JAWS

 

One thing Jaws has implemented that is helpful is the touch cursor.

This emulates a touch screen with the cursors, whether you have a touch screen installed or not.

Does NVDA have touch screen support?

If so, I may resource this in NVDA.

I too still switch to Jaws when I feel like I need a "jaws cursor".

Glenn

 

 

Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2019 2:36 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA versus JAWS

 

Hello,

 

I’m throwing out  a bit of feedback as well. I use NVDA almost exclusively nowadays. However, I keep preferring the JAWS cursor approach, compared to the concept of screen review found in NVDA. Moreover, JAWS seems to be somewhat better at dealing with programs that haven’t been designed with accessibility in mind. One example to illustrate this: There is a software I use a lot, it’s called Uninstall Tool. It helps uninstall programs by also cleaning up everything they leave behind, which most stand-alone uninstallers do not do unfortunately. In this software, there is a place where we can choose what category of “uninstallable” apps we want to display. That part hasn’t been designed to be reach with the keyboard. With JAWS, I can painlessly find those categories with the JAWScursor,left-click the one I want, and boom, the list opens. On the other hand, when using screen review in NVDA, those categories aren’t even being announced, it’s as if they didn’t exist at all. Therefore, for that program and a few others, I am forced o switch to JAWS.

 

Back to the original question now. Personally, I would advise having both screen readers installed, you can never know what surprises you might have, especially if you try to use different new programs for different purposes. I truly wish NVDA became better at seeing and reporting things that it’s not supposed to, to deal with those situations in which a software creator doesn’t care about accessibility. If I’m not mistaken, JAWS uses a special driver that interacts directly with the graphic card or the video driver, something that NVDA doesn’t do. I might be wrong here, I remember reading about this somewhere long time ago, that’s all.

 

I hope this annoying story is going to help your decision a little bit.

 

Warm regards from Europe,

 

Vlad.


locked Re: NVDA versus JAWS

Glenn / Lenny
 

One thing Jaws has implemented that is helpful is the touch cursor.
This emulates a touch screen with the cursors, whether you have a touch screen installed or not.
Does NVDA have touch screen support?
If so, I may resource this in NVDA.
I too still switch to Jaws when I feel like I need a "jaws cursor".
Glenn
 

Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2019 2:36 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA versus JAWS

Hello,

 

I’m throwing out  a bit of feedback as well. I use NVDA almost exclusively nowadays. However, I keep preferring the JAWS cursor approach, compared to the concept of screen review found in NVDA. Moreover, JAWS seems to be somewhat better at dealing with programs that haven’t been designed with accessibility in mind. One example to illustrate this: There is a software I use a lot, it’s called Uninstall Tool. It helps uninstall programs by also cleaning up everything they leave behind, which most stand-alone uninstallers do not do unfortunately. In this software, there is a place where we can choose what category of “uninstallable” apps we want to display. That part hasn’t been designed to be reach with the keyboard. With JAWS, I can painlessly find those categories with the JAWScursor,left-click the one I want, and boom, the list opens. On the other hand, when using screen review in NVDA, those categories aren’t even being announced, it’s as if they didn’t exist at all. Therefore, for that program and a few others, I am forced o switch to JAWS.

 

Back to the original question now. Personally, I would advise having both screen readers installed, you can never know what surprises you might have, especially if you try to use different new programs for different purposes. I truly wish NVDA became better at seeing and reporting things that it’s not supposed to, to deal with those situations in which a software creator doesn’t care about accessibility. If I’m not mistaken, JAWS uses a special driver that interacts directly with the graphic card or the video driver, something that NVDA doesn’t do. I might be wrong here, I remember reading about this somewhere long time ago, that’s all.

 

I hope this annoying story is going to help your decision a little bit.

 

Warm regards from Europe,

 

Vlad.


Re: braille edge

Fernando Apan
 

Yes, I do have the driver installed. However, automatic reading is not available.


Fernando Apan.

El 23/05/2019 a las 9:05, Rui Fontes escribió:
Hello Fernando and Robert!

Have you installed the HIMS brivers for Braille Edge?

Rui Fontes


Às 15:02 de 23/05/2019, Robert Doc Wright godfearer escreveu:
Automatic does not work for me. I have the BrailleEdge40

If all I have left in this world is God, I have everything!                 Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10

*From: *Nevzat Adil <mailto:@Nev>
*Sent: *Thursday, May 23, 2019 6:33 AM
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: [nvda] braille edge

While checking the NVDA braille display list I noticed that HIMS is no

longer there. But if one chooses automatic NVDA sees Braille edge.

On 5/23/19, Nevzat Adil via Groups.Io <nevzatadil=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:

 > She should press NVDA+n, down arow to preferences, right arrow to

 > settings enter on settings, down arro to braille, tap to braille

 > properties and choose the braille display and tap to okay and press

 > enter. One also may choose automatic instead of a particular braille

 > display.

 >

 > On 5/23/19, Mallard <mallard@...> wrote:

 >> Talking about Braille Edge, a friend of mine pointed out to me that in

 >> the latest version of NVDA there are no more drivers for Hims devices.

 >>

 >>

 >> She has a BrailleSense, and doesn't know how to connect it to her pc

 >> after NVDA updated.

 >>

 >>

 >> Could anyone help, please?

 >>

 >>

 >> Thanks in advance.

 >>

 >> Ciao,

 >>

 >> Ollie

 >>

 >>

 >>

 >>

 >> Il 23/05/2019 01:06, Grant Metcalf ha scritto:

 >>> I had a Braille Edge and now have a QBraille XL. I also notice that

 >>> from time to time there seems to be a blank line while reading. This

 >>> always seems to be at the end of a paragraph or a hard return. When I

 >>> up arrow it often goes away. However, I haven't used this with NVDA so

 >>> far.

 >>> Grant

 >>>

 >>>

 >>> -----Original Message----- From: Nevzat Adil

 >>> Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2019 12:01 PM

 >>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

 >>> Subject: Re: [nvda] braille edge

 >>>

 >>> I am a literary braille proofreader and use Braille Edge for my work.

 >>> The main drawback I encountered so far is that occasionally it shows

 >>> an empty line where it's not supposed to be.

 >>> I have already let the HIMS no about this and hopefully it will be

 >>> fixed soon.

 >>> It can also be used as a standalone notetaker, but limitted to text

 >>> and brf files.

 >>> Nevzat

 >>>

 >>>

 >>> On 5/22/19, Fernando Apan <ferapan@...> wrote:

 >>>> Hello. For me, working with my braille edge and NVDA has been a very

 >>>> good

 >>>> experience, however, the arrow keys doesn???t seem to work with NVDA

 >>>> as they

 >>>> do in other screen readers. Does anybody know if they have fixed this

 >>>> problem so far?

 >>>> Fernando Apan

 >>>>

 >>>> Enviado desde mi iPhone

 >>>>

 >>>>> El 22 may 2019, a las 8:39, Cecelia Rodriguez <cessbraille@...>

 >>>>> escribi??:

 >>>>>

 >>>>>

 >>>>>                              I love my braille edge with NVDA.

 >>>>>                             rent from Mail for Windows 10

 >>>>>

 >>>>> From: Robert Doc Wright godfearer

 >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2019 6:25 AM

 >>>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

 >>>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] braille edge

 >>>>>

 >>>>> I have been using mine now for a year this month. Before this my last

 >>>>> braille display was the Braille Light 40 back in 99. I gave it back

 >>>>> because I was taking programming classes and it would not have

 >>>>> helped me

 >>>>> in that effort as far as being able to run the program I wrote. The

 >>>>> BrailleEdge40 I am enjoying for both reading and writing. Be aware

 >>>>> that if

 >>>>> you are also wanting to go on-line then you will either have to

 >>>>> Bluetooth

 >>>>> it to your phone or connect it to your pc. It does not have these

 >>>>> capabilities on its own. Its  memory is based on the size of the SD

 >>>>> card

 >>>>> you install. Let me know if I can help in any other way.

 >>>>>

 >>>>>

 >>>>>                                                      If all I have

 >>>>> left in

 >>>>> this world is God, I have everything!

 >>>>>

 >>>>>

 >>>>>

 >>>>>

 >>>>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 >>>>>

 >>>>> From: Ashley Wayne

 >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2019 10:20 PM

 >>>>> To: Nvda

 >>>>> Subject: [nvda] braille edge

 >>>>>

 >>>>> Hi all,

 >>>>> Could anyone tell me of their experiences using NVDA with the

 >>>>> Braille Edge

 >>>>> from HIMS?  I???m considering purchasing one but would just love some

 >>>>> personal feedback.  Does it work well specifically for editing

 >>>>> documents?

 >>>>> Thanks so much.

 >>>>> Ashley

 >>>>>

 >>>>>

 >>>>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 >>>>>

 >>>>>

 >>>>>

 >>>>> Virus-free. www.avg.com

 >>>>>

 >>>>>

 >>>>>

 >>>>

 >>>>

 >>>>

 >>>>

 >>>

 >>>

 >>

 >>

 >>

 >>

 >

 >

 > --

 > Nevzat Adil

 > Library of Congress Certified Braille Proofreader

 > C: 512 502 4403

 > e-mail: @Nev

 > Facebook: m.facebook.com/LiteraryBrailleProofreader

 >

 >

 >

 >

--

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Library of Congress Certified Braille Proofreader

C: 512 502 4403

e-mail: @Nev

Facebook: m.facebook.com/LiteraryBrailleProofreader


locked Re: NVDA versus JAWS

Lenron
 

I have not needed to use jaws as of late but I do think it's a good
idea to have both in the tool box. I would probably use jaws a little
more if I didn't get that damn video driver message all the time, even
after a re-install. Also if I was using a version later than the last
version of 16

On 5/23/19, Nimer Jaber <nimerjaber1@...> wrote:
Well, until your theory gets put into practice, we can't tell users that it
isn't a good idea to use and have multiple screen readers on their machine.
i run into things all the time which work in one but not another. JAWS has
a number of features which NVDA lacks. The touch cursor is one powerful
example. Text analyzer is another. I use NVDA as my primary screen reader,
but at this point, JAWS is more responsive for many tasks than NVDA is, and
if Dvorak support was implemented in JAWS, I would likely switch. Not to
mention that JAWS provides many more options for indicating web elements
and other attributes with sounds, which for me at least makes my computing
more efficient. I wish I didn't have to write all of what i am writing, but
there you have it.

Ideally, software developers would code things up to spec, screen readers
would implement the spec in the same way, and using different screen
readers wouldn't matter much, but it does. Until the day comes that this
becomes reality, having multiple tools and being acquainted with them is a
great idea for most users, and a necessity for anyone wishing to be
productive at work in most workplace environments.

thanks.

On Thu, May 23, 2019 at 8:18 AM erik burggraaf <erik@...>
wrote:

I debunk this.

The requirement for multiple screen readers is a simptim of a broken
accessibility system poorly implemented. Name one other platform where
multiple screen readers and switching on the fly are required for
reliable
access?

The problem with windows was is and probably shall ever be that it
doesn't
comply with it's own standards and relies on third parties to hack access
into existence. Since no one can keep up with everything, some things
will
invariably work differently across the board. Then add stability issues
caused by the veritable hackathon, video card instability, third party
scripting issues, and (in the case of one product) outright denial of
service caused by it's own draconian content protection scheme, and you
get
a quagmire.

I don't know about linux so much, but mac, Iphone, and android for sure
are all really slick accessibility products where the expectation is that
things will be stable and accessible out of the box as a baseline. If a
product or feature on those platforms is not accessible, we bring the
quality of development of that product or service up to meet the
standard.
On windows, we bring the accessibility tools down so that they can crunch
through the mess and come up with something that works as long as there's
time, money, demand, and co-operation from the vendor of the product.
It's
bass ackwards, and we've more or less tollerated it because it's what we
are used to.

Best,

Erik

On May 22, 2019 6:42:15 PM "Arlene" <nedster66@...> wrote:



Hi I can confirm this. It’s best to have 2 screan readers on yor system.
Should one not work with whatever it is you are doing. Then the other
will
work.

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
Windows 10



*From: *Bianka Brankovic <bianka.brankovic@...>
*Sent: *May 22, 2019 4:08 AM
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject: *Re: [nvda] NVDA versus JAWS



Hello Aine, hello list,



I am not able to give you an objective view here, just my experiences.



Coming from a Mac/Unix environment myself I would say NVDA does a good
job with standard office applications. Of course, if you want to play it
safe and you have the financial possibilities, update your Jaws to the
newest version before starting your studies. After all, you never know
if
you will encounter a software that doesn’t work with NvDA and works with
Jaws. Personally, I subscribe to the view that it’s always good to have
more than one screen reader installed just in case something is not as
accessible as you would like it.



As to your original question though, if you are pretty sure that you
will
be using standard software and you are considering if you really need
Jaws
to survive in the computer age, my personal answer is no.



Hope that helps …



Thanks and kind regards,



Bianka





--
Best,

Nimer Jaber

The message above is intended for the recipient to whom it was
addressed. If you believe that you are not the intended recipient,
please notify me via reply email and destroy all copies of this
correspondence. Action taken as a result of this email or its contents
by anyone other than the intended recipient(s) may result in civil or
criminal charges. I have checked this email and all corresponding
attachments for security threats. However, security of your machine is
up to you. Thanks.

Registered Linux User 529141.
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To find out about a free and versatile screen reader for windows XP
and above, please click here:
http://www.nvda-project.org

You can follow @nimerjaber on Twitter for the latest technology news.

To contact me, you can reply to this email or you may call me at (970)
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you, and have a great day!



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locked Re: NVDA versus JAWS

Nimer Jaber
 

Well, until your theory gets put into practice, we can't tell users that it isn't a good idea to use and have multiple screen readers on their machine. i run into things all the time which work in one but not another. JAWS has a number of features which NVDA lacks. The touch cursor is one powerful example. Text analyzer is another. I use NVDA as my primary screen reader, but at this point, JAWS is more responsive for many tasks than NVDA is, and if Dvorak support was implemented in JAWS, I would likely switch. Not to mention that JAWS provides many more options for indicating web elements and other attributes with sounds, which for me at least makes my computing more efficient. I wish I didn't have to write all of what i am writing, but there you have it.

Ideally, software developers would code things up to spec, screen readers would implement the spec in the same way, and using different screen readers wouldn't matter much, but it does. Until the day comes that this becomes reality, having multiple tools and being acquainted with them is a great idea for most users, and a necessity for anyone wishing to be productive at work in most workplace environments.

thanks.

On Thu, May 23, 2019 at 8:18 AM erik burggraaf <erik@...> wrote:

I debunk this.

The requirement for multiple screen readers is a simptim of a broken accessibility system poorly implemented.  Name one other platform where multiple screen readers and switching on the fly are required for reliable access?

The problem with windows was is and probably shall ever be that it doesn't comply with it's own standards and relies on third parties to hack access into existence.  Since no one can keep up with everything, some things will invariably work differently across the board.  Then add stability issues caused by the veritable hackathon, video card instability, third party scripting issues, and (in the case of one product) outright denial of service caused by it's own draconian content protection scheme, and you get a quagmire.

I don't know about linux so much, but mac, Iphone, and android for sure are all really slick accessibility products where the expectation is that things will be stable and accessible out of the box as a baseline.  If a product or feature on those platforms is not accessible, we bring the quality of development of that product or service up to meet the standard.  On windows, we bring the accessibility tools down so that they can crunch through the mess and come up with something that works as long as there's time, money, demand, and co-operation from the vendor of the product.  It's bass ackwards, and we've more or less tollerated it because it's what we are used to.

Best,

Erik

On May 22, 2019 6:42:15 PM "Arlene" <nedster66@...> wrote:

 

Hi I can confirm this. It’s best to have 2 screan readers on yor system.  Should one not work with whatever it is you are doing. Then the other will work.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Bianka Brankovic
Sent: May 22, 2019 4:08 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA versus JAWS

 

Hello Aine, hello list,

 

I am not able to give you an objective view here, just my experiences.

 

Coming from a Mac/Unix environment myself I would say NVDA does a good job with standard office applications. Of course, if you want to play it safe and you have the financial possibilities, update your Jaws to the newest version before starting your studies. After all, you never know if you will encounter a software that doesn’t work with NvDA and works with Jaws. Personally, I subscribe to the view that it’s always good to have more than one screen reader installed just in case something is not as accessible as you would like it.

 

As to your original question though, if you are pretty sure that you will be using standard software and you are considering if you really need Jaws to survive in the computer age, my personal answer is no.

 

Hope that helps …

 

Thanks and kind regards,

 

Bianka

  

 



--
Best,

Nimer Jaber

The message above is intended for the recipient to whom it was
addressed. If you believe that you are not the intended recipient,
please notify me via reply email and destroy all copies of this
correspondence. Action taken as a result of this email or its contents
by anyone other than the intended recipient(s) may result in civil or
criminal charges. I have checked this email and all corresponding
attachments for security threats. However, security of your machine is
up to you. Thanks.

Registered Linux User 529141.
http://counter.li.org/

To find out about a free and versatile screen reader for windows XP
and above, please click here:
http://www.nvda-project.org

You can follow @nimerjaber on Twitter for the latest technology news.

To contact me, you can reply to this email or you may call me at (970) (393-4481) and I will do my best to respond to you promptly. Thank
you, and have a great day!


locked Re: NVDA versus JAWS

erik burggraaf <erik@...>
 

I debunk this.

The requirement for multiple screen readers is a simptim of a broken accessibility system poorly implemented.  Name one other platform where multiple screen readers and switching on the fly are required for reliable access?

The problem with windows was is and probably shall ever be that it doesn't comply with it's own standards and relies on third parties to hack access into existence.  Since no one can keep up with everything, some things will invariably work differently across the board.  Then add stability issues caused by the veritable hackathon, video card instability, third party scripting issues, and (in the case of one product) outright denial of service caused by it's own draconian content protection scheme, and you get a quagmire.

I don't know about linux so much, but mac, Iphone, and android for sure are all really slick accessibility products where the expectation is that things will be stable and accessible out of the box as a baseline.  If a product or feature on those platforms is not accessible, we bring the quality of development of that product or service up to meet the standard.  On windows, we bring the accessibility tools down so that they can crunch through the mess and come up with something that works as long as there's time, money, demand, and co-operation from the vendor of the product.  It's bass ackwards, and we've more or less tollerated it because it's what we are used to.

Best,

Erik

On May 22, 2019 6:42:15 PM "Arlene" <nedster66@...> wrote:

 

Hi I can confirm this. It’s best to have 2 screan readers on yor system.  Should one not work with whatever it is you are doing. Then the other will work.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Bianka Brankovic
Sent: May 22, 2019 4:08 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA versus JAWS

 

Hello Aine, hello list,

 

I am not able to give you an objective view here, just my experiences.

 

Coming from a Mac/Unix environment myself I would say NVDA does a good job with standard office applications. Of course, if you want to play it safe and you have the financial possibilities, update your Jaws to the newest version before starting your studies. After all, you never know if you will encounter a software that doesn’t work with NvDA and works with Jaws. Personally, I subscribe to the view that it’s always good to have more than one screen reader installed just in case something is not as accessible as you would like it.

 

As to your original question though, if you are pretty sure that you will be using standard software and you are considering if you really need Jaws to survive in the computer age, my personal answer is no.

 

Hope that helps …

 

Thanks and kind regards,

 

Bianka

  

 


Re: braille edge

Annamaria
 

Hello,

I connect the braillesense with nvda and Hims with edge, Braillesense ecc. appears in the list when I start the screenreader, otherwise in the list of braille display Hims doesn't appear.

Ciao.


Annamaria.

Il 23/05/2019 16:01, Fernando Apan ha scritto:
Good morning. Does anyone know why is the reason that NVDA is not including Hims braille displays on their list? That is not very good, at least for those who have a braille edge like myself. What would happen in future upgrades?
Regards.
Fernando Apan

Enviado desde mi iPhone

El 23 may 2019, a las 7:47, Mallard <mallard@...> escribió:

No... Hims is no longer there... But thanks for the automatic option. I'll pass it on.

Ciao,

Ollie




Il 23/05/2019 14:33, Nevzat Adil ha scritto:
While checking the NVDA braille display list I noticed that HIMS is no
longer there. But if one chooses automatic NVDA sees Braille edge.


On 5/23/19, Nevzat Adil via Groups.Io <nevzatadil=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
She should press NVDA+n, down arow to preferences, right arrow to
settings enter on settings, down arro to braille, tap to braille
properties and choose the braille display and tap to okay and press
enter. One also may choose automatic instead of a particular braille
display.

On 5/23/19, Mallard <mallard@...> wrote:
Talking about Braille Edge, a friend of mine pointed out to me that in
the latest version of NVDA there are no more drivers for Hims devices.


She has a BrailleSense, and doesn't know how to connect it to her pc
after NVDA updated.


Could anyone help, please?


Thanks in advance.

Ciao,

Ollie




Il 23/05/2019 01:06, Grant Metcalf ha scritto:
I had a Braille Edge and now have a QBraille XL. I also notice that
from time to time there seems to be a blank line while reading. This
always seems to be at the end of a paragraph or a hard return. When I
up arrow it often goes away. However, I haven't used this with NVDA so
far.
Grant


-----Original Message----- From: Nevzat Adil
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2019 12:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] braille edge

I am a literary braille proofreader and use Braille Edge for my work.
The main drawback I encountered so far is that occasionally it shows
an empty line where it's not supposed to be.
I have already let the HIMS no about this and hopefully it will be
fixed soon.
It can also be used as a standalone notetaker, but limitted to text
and brf files.
Nevzat


On 5/22/19, Fernando Apan <ferapan@...> wrote:
Hello. For me, working with my braille edge and NVDA has been a very
good
experience, however, the arrow keys doesn???t seem to work with NVDA
as they
do in other screen readers. Does anybody know if they have fixed this
problem so far?
Fernando Apan

Enviado desde mi iPhone

El 22 may 2019, a las 8:39, Cecelia Rodriguez <cessbraille@...>
escribi??:


I love my braille edge with NVDA.
rent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Robert Doc Wright godfearer
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2019 6:25 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] braille edge

I have been using mine now for a year this month. Before this my last
braille display was the Braille Light 40 back in 99. I gave it back
because I was taking programming classes and it would not have
helped me
in that effort as far as being able to run the program I wrote. The
BrailleEdge40 I am enjoying for both reading and writing. Be aware
that if
you are also wanting to go on-line then you will either have to
Bluetooth
it to your phone or connect it to your pc. It does not have these
capabilities on its own. Its memory is based on the size of the SD
card
you install. Let me know if I can help in any other way.


If all I have
left in
this world is God, I have everything!




Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Ashley Wayne
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2019 10:20 PM
To: Nvda
Subject: [nvda] braille edge

Hi all,
Could anyone tell me of their experiences using NVDA with the
Braille Edge
from HIMS? I???m considering purchasing one but would just love some
personal feedback. Does it work well specifically for editing
documents?
Thanks so much.
Ashley


Sent from Mail for Windows 10



Virus-free. www.avg.com


--
Nevzat Adil
Library of Congress Certified Braille Proofreader
C: 512 502 4403
e-mail: @Nev
Facebook: m.facebook.com/LiteraryBrailleProofreader




Re: braille edge

Rui Fontes
 

Hello Fernando and Robert!

Have you installed the HIMS brivers for Braille Edge?

Rui Fontes


Às 15:02 de 23/05/2019, Robert Doc Wright godfearer escreveu:

Automatic does not work for me. I have the BrailleEdge40
                                                                                                                                If all I have left in this world is God, I have everything!                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10
*From: *Nevzat Adil <mailto:@Nev>
*Sent: *Thursday, May 23, 2019 6:33 AM
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: [nvda] braille edge
While checking the NVDA braille display list I noticed that HIMS is no
longer there. But if one chooses automatic NVDA sees Braille edge.
On 5/23/19, Nevzat Adil via Groups.Io <nevzatadil=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:

> She should press NVDA+n, down arow to preferences, right arrow to

> settings enter on settings, down arro to braille, tap to braille

> properties and choose the braille display and tap to okay and press

> enter. One also may choose automatic instead of a particular braille

> display.

>

> On 5/23/19, Mallard <mallard@...> wrote:

>> Talking about Braille Edge, a friend of mine pointed out to me that in

>> the latest version of NVDA there are no more drivers for Hims devices.

>>

>>

>> She has a BrailleSense, and doesn't know how to connect it to her pc

>> after NVDA updated.

>>

>>

>> Could anyone help, please?

>>

>>

>> Thanks in advance.

>>

>> Ciao,

>>

>> Ollie

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> Il 23/05/2019 01:06, Grant Metcalf ha scritto:

>>> I had a Braille Edge and now have a QBraille XL.  I also notice that

>>> from time to time there seems to be a blank line while reading. This

>>> always seems to be at the end of a paragraph or a hard return. When I

>>> up arrow it often goes away. However, I haven't used this with NVDA so

>>> far.

>>> Grant

>>>

>>>

>>> -----Original Message----- From: Nevzat Adil

>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2019 12:01 PM

>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] braille edge

>>>

>>> I am a literary braille proofreader and use Braille Edge for my work.

>>> The main drawback I encountered so far is that occasionally it shows

>>> an empty line where it's not supposed to be.

>>> I have already let the HIMS no about this and hopefully it will be

>>> fixed soon.

>>> It can also be used as a standalone notetaker, but limitted to text

>>> and brf files.

>>> Nevzat

>>>

>>>

>>> On 5/22/19, Fernando Apan <ferapan@...> wrote:

>>>> Hello. For me, working with my braille edge and NVDA has been a very

>>>> good

>>>> experience, however, the arrow keys doesn???t seem to work with NVDA

>>>> as they

>>>> do in other screen readers. Does anybody know if they have fixed this

>>>> problem so far?

>>>> Fernando Apan

>>>>

>>>> Enviado desde mi iPhone

>>>>

>>>>> El 22 may 2019, a las 8:39, Cecelia Rodriguez <cessbraille@...>

>>>>> escribi??:

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>                              I love my braille edge with NVDA.

>>>>>                             rent from Mail for Windows 10

>>>>>

>>>>> From: Robert Doc Wright godfearer

>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2019 6:25 AM

>>>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

>>>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] braille edge

>>>>>

>>>>> I have been using mine now for a year this month. Before this my last

>>>>> braille display was the Braille Light 40 back in 99. I gave it back

>>>>> because I was taking programming classes and it would not have

>>>>> helped me

>>>>> in that effort as far as being able to run the program I wrote. The

>>>>> BrailleEdge40 I am enjoying for both reading and writing. Be aware

>>>>> that if

>>>>> you are also wanting to go on-line then you will either have to

>>>>> Bluetooth

>>>>> it to your phone or connect it to your pc. It does not have these

>>>>> capabilities on its own. Its  memory is based on the size of the SD

>>>>> card

>>>>> you install. Let me know if I can help in any other way.

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>                                                      If all I have

>>>>> left in

>>>>> this world is God, I have everything!

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10

>>>>>

>>>>> From: Ashley Wayne

>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2019 10:20 PM

>>>>> To: Nvda

>>>>> Subject: [nvda] braille edge

>>>>>

>>>>> Hi all,

>>>>> Could anyone tell me of their experiences using NVDA with the

>>>>> Braille Edge

>>>>> from HIMS?  I???m considering purchasing one but would just love some

>>>>> personal feedback.  Does it work well specifically for editing

>>>>> documents?

>>>>> Thanks so much.

>>>>> Ashley

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> Virus-free. www.avg.com

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>

>>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>

>

> --

> Nevzat Adil

> Library of Congress Certified Braille Proofreader

> C: 512 502 4403

> e-mail: @Nev

> Facebook: m.facebook.com/LiteraryBrailleProofreader

>

>

>

>
--
Nevzat Adil
Library of Congress Certified Braille Proofreader
C: 512 502 4403
e-mail: @Nev
Facebook: m.facebook.com/LiteraryBrailleProofreader


Re: braille edge

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 

Automatic does not work for me. I have the BrailleEdge40

 

 

                                                                                                                                If all I have left in this world is God, I have everything!                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Nevzat Adil
Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2019 6:33 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] braille edge

 

While checking the NVDA braille display list I noticed that HIMS is no

longer there. But if one chooses automatic NVDA sees Braille edge.

 

 

On 5/23/19, Nevzat Adil via Groups.Io <nevzatadil@...> wrote:

> She should press NVDA+n, down arow to preferences, right arrow to

> settings enter on settings, down arro to braille, tap to braille

> properties and choose the braille display and tap to okay and press

> enter. One also may choose automatic instead of a particular braille

> display.

> On 5/23/19, Mallard <mallard@...> wrote:

>> Talking about Braille Edge, a friend of mine pointed out to me that in

>> the latest version of NVDA there are no more drivers for Hims devices.

>> 

>> 

>> She has a BrailleSense, and doesn't know how to connect it to her pc

>> after NVDA updated.

>> 

>> 

>> Could anyone help, please?

>> 

>> 

>> Thanks in advance.

>> 

>> Ciao,

>> 

>> Ollie

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> Il 23/05/2019 01:06, Grant Metcalf ha scritto:

>>> I had a Braille Edge and now have a QBraille XL.  I also notice that

>>> from time to time there seems to be a blank line while reading. This

>>> always seems to be at the end of a paragraph or a hard return. When I

>>> up arrow it often goes away. However, I haven't used this with NVDA so

>>> far.

>>> Grant

>>> 

>>> 

>>> -----Original Message----- From: Nevzat Adil

>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2019 12:01 PM

>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] braille edge

>>> 

>>> I am a literary braille proofreader and use Braille Edge for my work.

>>> The main drawback I encountered so far is that occasionally it shows

>>> an empty line where it's not supposed to be.

>>> I have already let the HIMS no about this and hopefully it will be

>>> fixed soon.

>>> It can also be used as a standalone notetaker, but limitted to text

>>> and brf files.

>>> Nevzat

>>> 

>>> 

>>> On 5/22/19, Fernando Apan <ferapan@...> wrote:

>>>> Hello. For me, working with my braille edge and NVDA has been a very

>>>> good

>>>> experience, however, the arrow keys doesn???t seem to work with NVDA

>>>> as they

>>>> do in other screen readers. Does anybody know if they have fixed this

>>>> problem so far?

>>>> Fernando Apan

>>>> 

>>>> Enviado desde mi iPhone

>>>> 

>>>>> El 22 may 2019, a las 8:39, Cecelia Rodriguez <cessbraille@...>

>>>>> escribi??:

>>>>> 

>>>>> 

>>>>>                              I love my braille edge with NVDA.

>>>>>                             rent from Mail for Windows 10

>>>>> 

>>>>> From: Robert Doc Wright godfearer

>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2019 6:25 AM

>>>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

>>>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] braille edge

>>>>> 

>>>>> I have been using mine now for a year this month. Before this my last

>>>>> braille display was the Braille Light 40 back in 99. I gave it back

>>>>> because I was taking programming classes and it would not have

>>>>> helped me

>>>>> in that effort as far as being able to run the program I wrote. The

>>>>> BrailleEdge40 I am enjoying for both reading and writing. Be aware

>>>>> that if

>>>>> you are also wanting to go on-line then you will either have to

>>>>> Bluetooth

>>>>> it to your phone or connect it to your pc. It does not have these

>>>>> capabilities on its own. Its  memory is based on the size of the SD

>>>>> card

>>>>> you install. Let me know if I can help in any other way.

>>>>> 

>>>>> 

>>>>>                                                      If all I have

>>>>> left in

>>>>> this world is God, I have everything!

>>>>> 

>>>>> 

>>>>> 

>>>>> 

>>>>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10

>>>>> 

>>>>> From: Ashley Wayne

>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2019 10:20 PM

>>>>> To: Nvda

>>>>> Subject: [nvda] braille edge

>>>>> 

>>>>> Hi all,

>>>>> Could anyone tell me of their experiences using NVDA with the

>>>>> Braille Edge

>>>>> from HIMS?  I???m considering purchasing one but would just love some

>>>>> personal feedback.  Does it work well specifically for editing

>>>>> documents?

>>>>> Thanks so much.

>>>>> Ashley

>>>>> 

>>>>> 

>>>>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10

>>>>> 

>>>>> 

>>>>> 

>>>>> Virus-free. www.avg.com

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>>>> 

>>>> 

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Re: braille edge

Fernando Apan
 

Good morning. Does anyone know why is the reason that NVDA is not including Hims braille displays on their list? That is not very good, at least for those who have a braille edge like myself. What would happen in future upgrades?
Regards.
Fernando Apan

Enviado desde mi iPhone

El 23 may 2019, a las 7:47, Mallard <mallard@...> escribió:

No... Hims is no longer there... But thanks for the automatic option. I'll pass it on.

Ciao,

Ollie




Il 23/05/2019 14:33, Nevzat Adil ha scritto:
While checking the NVDA braille display list I noticed that HIMS is no
longer there. But if one chooses automatic NVDA sees Braille edge.


On 5/23/19, Nevzat Adil via Groups.Io <nevzatadil=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
She should press NVDA+n, down arow to preferences, right arrow to
settings enter on settings, down arro to braille, tap to braille
properties and choose the braille display and tap to okay and press
enter. One also may choose automatic instead of a particular braille
display.

On 5/23/19, Mallard <mallard@...> wrote:
Talking about Braille Edge, a friend of mine pointed out to me that in
the latest version of NVDA there are no more drivers for Hims devices.


She has a BrailleSense, and doesn't know how to connect it to her pc
after NVDA updated.


Could anyone help, please?


Thanks in advance.

Ciao,

Ollie




Il 23/05/2019 01:06, Grant Metcalf ha scritto:
I had a Braille Edge and now have a QBraille XL. I also notice that
from time to time there seems to be a blank line while reading. This
always seems to be at the end of a paragraph or a hard return. When I
up arrow it often goes away. However, I haven't used this with NVDA so
far.
Grant


-----Original Message----- From: Nevzat Adil
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2019 12:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] braille edge

I am a literary braille proofreader and use Braille Edge for my work.
The main drawback I encountered so far is that occasionally it shows
an empty line where it's not supposed to be.
I have already let the HIMS no about this and hopefully it will be
fixed soon.
It can also be used as a standalone notetaker, but limitted to text
and brf files.
Nevzat


On 5/22/19, Fernando Apan <ferapan@...> wrote:
Hello. For me, working with my braille edge and NVDA has been a very
good
experience, however, the arrow keys doesn???t seem to work with NVDA
as they
do in other screen readers. Does anybody know if they have fixed this
problem so far?
Fernando Apan

Enviado desde mi iPhone

El 22 may 2019, a las 8:39, Cecelia Rodriguez <cessbraille@...>
escribi??:


I love my braille edge with NVDA.
rent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Robert Doc Wright godfearer
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2019 6:25 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] braille edge

I have been using mine now for a year this month. Before this my last
braille display was the Braille Light 40 back in 99. I gave it back
because I was taking programming classes and it would not have
helped me
in that effort as far as being able to run the program I wrote. The
BrailleEdge40 I am enjoying for both reading and writing. Be aware
that if
you are also wanting to go on-line then you will either have to
Bluetooth
it to your phone or connect it to your pc. It does not have these
capabilities on its own. Its memory is based on the size of the SD
card
you install. Let me know if I can help in any other way.


If all I have
left in
this world is God, I have everything!




Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Ashley Wayne
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2019 10:20 PM
To: Nvda
Subject: [nvda] braille edge

Hi all,
Could anyone tell me of their experiences using NVDA with the
Braille Edge
from HIMS? I???m considering purchasing one but would just love some
personal feedback. Does it work well specifically for editing
documents?
Thanks so much.
Ashley


Sent from Mail for Windows 10



Virus-free. www.avg.com




--
Nevzat Adil
Library of Congress Certified Braille Proofreader
C: 512 502 4403
e-mail: @Nev
Facebook: m.facebook.com/LiteraryBrailleProofreader





Re: braille edge

Mallard
 

No... Hims is no longer there... But thanks for the automatic option. I'll pass it on.

Ciao,

Ollie

Il 23/05/2019 14:33, Nevzat Adil ha scritto:
While checking the NVDA braille display list I noticed that HIMS is no
longer there. But if one chooses automatic NVDA sees Braille edge.


On 5/23/19, Nevzat Adil via Groups.Io <nevzatadil=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
She should press NVDA+n, down arow to preferences, right arrow to
settings enter on settings, down arro to braille, tap to braille
properties and choose the braille display and tap to okay and press
enter. One also may choose automatic instead of a particular braille
display.

On 5/23/19, Mallard <mallard@...> wrote:
Talking about Braille Edge, a friend of mine pointed out to me that in
the latest version of NVDA there are no more drivers for Hims devices.


She has a BrailleSense, and doesn't know how to connect it to her pc
after NVDA updated.


Could anyone help, please?


Thanks in advance.

Ciao,

Ollie




Il 23/05/2019 01:06, Grant Metcalf ha scritto:
I had a Braille Edge and now have a QBraille XL.  I also notice that
from time to time there seems to be a blank line while reading. This
always seems to be at the end of a paragraph or a hard return. When I
up arrow it often goes away. However, I haven't used this with NVDA so
far.
Grant


-----Original Message----- From: Nevzat Adil
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2019 12:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] braille edge

I am a literary braille proofreader and use Braille Edge for my work.
The main drawback I encountered so far is that occasionally it shows
an empty line where it's not supposed to be.
I have already let the HIMS no about this and hopefully it will be
fixed soon.
It can also be used as a standalone notetaker, but limitted to text
and brf files.
Nevzat


On 5/22/19, Fernando Apan <ferapan@...> wrote:
Hello. For me, working with my braille edge and NVDA has been a very
good
experience, however, the arrow keys doesn???t seem to work with NVDA
as they
do in other screen readers. Does anybody know if they have fixed this
problem so far?
Fernando Apan

Enviado desde mi iPhone

El 22 may 2019, a las 8:39, Cecelia Rodriguez <cessbraille@...>
escribi??:


                             I love my braille edge with NVDA.
                            rent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Robert Doc Wright godfearer
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2019 6:25 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] braille edge

I have been using mine now for a year this month. Before this my last
braille display was the Braille Light 40 back in 99. I gave it back
because I was taking programming classes and it would not have
helped me
in that effort as far as being able to run the program I wrote. The
BrailleEdge40 I am enjoying for both reading and writing. Be aware
that if
you are also wanting to go on-line then you will either have to
Bluetooth
it to your phone or connect it to your pc. It does not have these
capabilities on its own. Its  memory is based on the size of the SD
card
you install. Let me know if I can help in any other way.


                                                     If all I have
left in
this world is God, I have everything!




Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Ashley Wayne
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2019 10:20 PM
To: Nvda
Subject: [nvda] braille edge

Hi all,
Could anyone tell me of their experiences using NVDA with the
Braille Edge
from HIMS?  I???m considering purchasing one but would just love some
personal feedback.  Does it work well specifically for editing
documents?
Thanks so much.
Ashley


Sent from Mail for Windows 10



Virus-free. www.avg.com




--
Nevzat Adil
Library of Congress Certified Braille Proofreader
C: 512 502 4403
e-mail: @Nev
Facebook: m.facebook.com/LiteraryBrailleProofreader




Re: Converting epub to pdf

Mallard
 

Thanks, done..

Ciao

Ollie

Il 23/05/2019 14:20, Sile via Groups.Io ha scritto:
Hello Olie


Just noticing this thread.  Would you be willing to participate in the little EPub survey we are running right now?  It is an attempt to feed back to publishers how people are working with EPubs and this would be really valuable input.


Here is the link to the survey.


https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdaTt__XoOHp0Fp-WOP2KwN12Ku0bxISOCmGhFqraka_Y3oMg/viewform?usp=sf_link <https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdaTt__XoOHp0Fp-WOP2KwN12Ku0bxISOCmGhFqraka_Y3oMg/viewform


If you have time to complete it (I think it takes about 3 minutes) we would really appreciate your input.


Yours,


--Sile

On 2019-03-09 3:08 p.m., Mallard wrote:
Hello Travis,


Given that this is an excellent solution, if someone doesn't want to go down that road, I think the best way to read epubs right now is with Edge.


At the top of the page you have two buttons, for Previous page and Next page.


When you finish one page, all you haveto do is to press Shift+B and click on Next page.


If the epub is an original, not converted from other formats, Edge maintains all its links, and ou can navigate it very easili.


Actually, I've had books that maintained their links even when converted from other formats. I don't know what makes Edge decide which ones to keep and which ones to drop...


Ciao,

Ollie




Il 09/03/2019 18:15, Travis Siegel ha scritto:
Just for reference, an epub file is just a normal zip file with html files inside.  All you need to do to read it is unzip it into the directory of your choice, then locate the html files inside the directory structure, and simply open them with your browser. In my personal opinion, that's way easier than the shoddy support that pdf files have on the pc.

Of course, this won't work with DRM protected epubs, but otherwise, it works like a charm, and this is the way I read all of my epub books.

Mostly because I haven't found a decent epub reader, but even if I did, I'd probably keep using this format anyhow, just because it's what I'm used to.

On 3/8/2019 9:15 AM, ADRIAN POCOCK wrote:

[Edited Message Fol







Re: braille edge

 

While checking the NVDA braille display list I noticed that HIMS is no
longer there. But if one chooses automatic NVDA sees Braille edge.

On 5/23/19, Nevzat Adil via Groups.Io <nevzatadil=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
She should press NVDA+n, down arow to preferences, right arrow to
settings enter on settings, down arro to braille, tap to braille
properties and choose the braille display and tap to okay and press
enter. One also may choose automatic instead of a particular braille
display.

On 5/23/19, Mallard <mallard@...> wrote:
Talking about Braille Edge, a friend of mine pointed out to me that in
the latest version of NVDA there are no more drivers for Hims devices.


She has a BrailleSense, and doesn't know how to connect it to her pc
after NVDA updated.


Could anyone help, please?


Thanks in advance.

Ciao,

Ollie




Il 23/05/2019 01:06, Grant Metcalf ha scritto:
I had a Braille Edge and now have a QBraille XL.  I also notice that
from time to time there seems to be a blank line while reading. This
always seems to be at the end of a paragraph or a hard return. When I
up arrow it often goes away. However, I haven't used this with NVDA so
far.
Grant


-----Original Message----- From: Nevzat Adil
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2019 12:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] braille edge

I am a literary braille proofreader and use Braille Edge for my work.
The main drawback I encountered so far is that occasionally it shows
an empty line where it's not supposed to be.
I have already let the HIMS no about this and hopefully it will be
fixed soon.
It can also be used as a standalone notetaker, but limitted to text
and brf files.
Nevzat


On 5/22/19, Fernando Apan <ferapan@...> wrote:
Hello. For me, working with my braille edge and NVDA has been a very
good
experience, however, the arrow keys doesn???t seem to work with NVDA
as they
do in other screen readers. Does anybody know if they have fixed this
problem so far?
Fernando Apan

Enviado desde mi iPhone

El 22 may 2019, a las 8:39, Cecelia Rodriguez <cessbraille@...>
escribi??:


                             I love my braille edge with NVDA.
                            rent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Robert Doc Wright godfearer
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2019 6:25 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] braille edge

I have been using mine now for a year this month. Before this my last
braille display was the Braille Light 40 back in 99. I gave it back
because I was taking programming classes and it would not have
helped me
in that effort as far as being able to run the program I wrote. The
BrailleEdge40 I am enjoying for both reading and writing. Be aware
that if
you are also wanting to go on-line then you will either have to
Bluetooth
it to your phone or connect it to your pc. It does not have these
capabilities on its own. Its  memory is based on the size of the SD
card
you install. Let me know if I can help in any other way.


                                                     If all I have
left in
this world is God, I have everything!




Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Ashley Wayne
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2019 10:20 PM
To: Nvda
Subject: [nvda] braille edge

Hi all,
Could anyone tell me of their experiences using NVDA with the
Braille Edge
from HIMS?  I???m considering purchasing one but would just love some
personal feedback.  Does it work well specifically for editing
documents?
Thanks so much.
Ashley


Sent from Mail for Windows 10



Virus-free. www.avg.com







--
Nevzat Adil
Library of Congress Certified Braille Proofreader
C: 512 502 4403
e-mail: @Nev
Facebook: m.facebook.com/LiteraryBrailleProofreader



--
Nevzat Adil
Library of Congress Certified Braille Proofreader
C: 512 502 4403
e-mail: @Nev
Facebook: m.facebook.com/LiteraryBrailleProofreader


Re: Converting epub to pdf

Sile
 

Ups, apologies for the general posting ... I just meant this to go to Ollie,




--Sile

On 2019-05-23 8:20 a.m., Sile via Groups.Io wrote:
Hello Olie


Just noticing this thread.  Would you be willing to participate in the little EPub survey we are running right now?  It is an attempt to feed back to publishers how people are working with EPubs and this would be really valuable input.


Here is the link to the survey.


https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdaTt__XoOHp0Fp-WOP2KwN12Ku0bxISOCmGhFqraka_Y3oMg/viewform?usp=sf_link <https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdaTt__XoOHp0Fp-WOP2KwN12Ku0bxISOCmGhFqraka_Y3oMg/viewform


If you have time to complete it (I think it takes about 3 minutes) we would really appreciate your input.


Yours,


--Sile

On 2019-03-09 3:08 p.m., Mallard wrote:
Hello Travis,


Given that this is an excellent solution, if someone doesn't want to go down that road, I think the best way to read epubs right now is with Edge.


At the top of the page you have two buttons, for Previous page and Next page.


When you finish one page, all you haveto do is to press Shift+B and click on Next page.


If the epub is an original, not converted from other formats, Edge maintains all its links, and ou can navigate it very easili.


Actually, I've had books that maintained their links even when converted from other formats. I don't know what makes Edge decide which ones to keep and which ones to drop...


Ciao,

Ollie




Il 09/03/2019 18:15, Travis Siegel ha scritto:
Just for reference, an epub file is just a normal zip file with html files inside.  All you need to do to read it is unzip it into the directory of your choice, then locate the html files inside the directory structure, and simply open them with your browser. In my personal opinion, that's way easier than the shoddy support that pdf files have on the pc.

Of course, this won't work with DRM protected epubs, but otherwise, it works like a charm, and this is the way I read all of my epub books.

Mostly because I haven't found a decent epub reader, but even if I did, I'd probably keep using this format anyhow, just because it's what I'm used to.

On 3/8/2019 9:15 AM, ADRIAN POCOCK wrote:

[Edited Message Fol






Re: Converting epub to pdf

Sile
 

Hello Olie


Just noticing this thread.  Would you be willing to participate in the little EPub survey we are running right now?  It is an attempt to feed back to publishers how people are working with EPubs and this would be really valuable input.


Here is the link to the survey.


https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdaTt__XoOHp0Fp-WOP2KwN12Ku0bxISOCmGhFqraka_Y3oMg/viewform?usp=sf_link <https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdaTt__XoOHp0Fp-WOP2KwN12Ku0bxISOCmGhFqraka_Y3oMg/viewform


If you have time to complete it (I think it takes about 3 minutes) we would really appreciate your input.


Yours,


--Sile

On 2019-03-09 3:08 p.m., Mallard wrote:
Hello Travis,


Given that this is an excellent solution, if someone doesn't want to go down that road, I think the best way to read epubs right now is with Edge.


At the top of the page you have two buttons, for Previous page and Next page.


When you finish one page, all you haveto do is to press Shift+B and click on Next page.


If the epub is an original, not converted from other formats, Edge maintains all its links, and ou can navigate it very easili.


Actually, I've had books that maintained their links even when converted from other formats. I don't know what makes Edge decide which ones to keep and which ones to drop...


Ciao,

Ollie




Il 09/03/2019 18:15, Travis Siegel ha scritto:
Just for reference, an epub file is just a normal zip file with html files inside.  All you need to do to read it is unzip it into the directory of your choice, then locate the html files inside the directory structure, and simply open them with your browser. In my personal opinion, that's way easier than the shoddy support that pdf files have on the pc.

Of course, this won't work with DRM protected epubs, but otherwise, it works like a charm, and this is the way I read all of my epub books.

Mostly because I haven't found a decent epub reader, but even if I did, I'd probably keep using this format anyhow, just because it's what I'm used to.

On 3/8/2019 9:15 AM, ADRIAN POCOCK wrote:

[Edited Message Fol