Date   

Has anyone else noticed a change in the behavior of Focus Highlight?

 

Or, perhaps more accurately, have your sighted assistant(s), as we're the ones that rely on this add-on.  It could be an NVDA change, too

Up until very recently, virtually everything generally defaulted to being in browse mode when I opened it, generally with the "thick red line" which indicates that you're in browse mode and the navigator object and focus object are one and the same.  This was particularly true when I landed on File Explorer (as a whole) and items in the list which I display using Details View.  It was also generally true in many other places.

For the last few days, everything seems to be opening in focus mode that used to be opening in browse mode, and what's weirder is I can't get the mode to toggle.  I was trying to play with doing a multi-file select with individual files in File Explorer, and could not get NVDA+space to shift me back to focus mode so I could select, move along then CTRL+select (spacebar), etc.

Even the buttons in dialogs are shown as being in focus mode when I land on them, e.g., the Winver Close button.

I am running Windows 10, Version 1809, Build 17763.529  and NVDA 2019.1.1 and Focus Highlight 6.0.  This is really peculiar, and definitely not what I've been used to.
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Re: Converting PDF to Word

 

Quentin,

            I'm well aware of the issue with image PDFs.  There are so many in existence that they'll be landing in peoples' laps for decades to come.

            I have mentioned Tracker Software's PDF-XChange Viewer as an excellent OCR tool.  It's not fully accessible overall, but the OCR function is, and it supports English, Spanish, French, & German "as shipped" and you can get, also at no cost, various Language Extension Packages that cover many, many more.

            Here's the post in the archives where I give the step-by-step instructions for doing OCR with PDF-XChange Viewer.   OCR/PDF software is something, much like screen readers, where having minimal proficiency with more than one can pull one's proverbial bacon out of the fire.
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Re: Extracting Text From Image in Word

 

Do you have a flatbed scanner or multi-function machine that came with OCR software (and most have in recent years)?

If so, and you are able to select those graphics, I'd simply select them, paste each on a single page, print them and scan them using the scanner and OCR.  So long as you have a system for knowing which belongs where (which could include a single additional annotation) that could work.

That or just copying the image, creating a separate word file including an annotation regarding source, pasting it in and using the screen reader OCR on that second document which would just contain pages of the images to make it easy for the OCR software to get only what it needs.
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Re: I did it

Arlene
 

Yeeeeeeeeeeepeeeeee yeeeeeeeeepeeeeeee yeeeeeeeeeepeeeee  she’s gone! She’s gone!

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: May 27, 2019 9:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I did it

 

Great.

 

 

On 5/27/2019 5:07 PM, Arlene wrote:

Hey list: I finally got rid of the contact.   In windows ten mail app. All you do is do control N and then you type in your contact’s name. You do shift F ten there you will see remove. Once you enter on remove. Woo hoo! Your contact is totally gone! Done like dinner!

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 


Extracting Text From Image in Word

Bhavya shah
 

Dear all,

I am currently reading a Bookshare file in the Word format, and am
encountering graphics without alttext. These graphics contain just a
lot of text and likely no visual content themselves - graphics are of
the text of literary passages - and I am urgently looking for
solutions to be able to use OCR on them or extract their textual
content via similar means.

I have tried using the NVDA OCR add-on but I just cannot get object
navigation in NVDA to narrow down and review the graphic object in
Word, I do not have Kurzweil or Fine Reader (and likely will not be
getting them since the exam for which I am requiring to practise is on
Saturday itself), but would probably be happy to use an online
solution or a lightweight freeware.

I would greatly appreciate any urgently sought assistance or suggestions.

Thanks.

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Re: I did it

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Great.



On 5/27/2019 5:07 PM, Arlene wrote:

Hey list: I finally got rid of the contact.   In windows ten mail app. All you do is do control N and then you type in your contact’s name. You do shift F ten there you will see remove. Once you enter on remove. Woo hoo! Your contact is totally gone! Done like dinner!

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


I did it

Arlene
 

Hey list: I finally got rid of the contact.   In windows ten mail app. All you do is do control N and then you type in your contact’s name. You do shift F ten there you will see remove. Once you enter on remove. Woo hoo! Your contact is totally gone! Done like dinner!

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: Converting PDF to Word

Quentin Christensen
 

The other point on this is that the reason many people want to convert from PDF to word, is to try and read a PDF document.

IF the PDF file has been created well to begin with, you should be able to read it just find in Adobe reader, Foxit PDF reader, and probably others.  If you can't read it in those (using a current version of both the reader and NVDA), then it's likely the PDF file was created as an image of text - a lot of office photocopier / scanners still do this.  In that case, what you really need to do is run the file through some kind of OCR (Optical Character Recognition).  NVDA has access to a basic OCR function in Windows 10 or with the OCR add-on in earlier versions.  Professional OCR programs like Abbyy FineReader or OmniPage may do a better job.

For converting from Word to PDF, the export function in Word itself makes quite readable PDF files.  For those who have the NVDA Certification, that's how I make the PDF certificates.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Tue, May 28, 2019 at 1:10 AM Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
On Sun, May 26, 2019 at 11:24 PM, sazid shaik wrote:
can we convert pdf to word using nvda? if so how?
No, or at least not per se.

There are various converters out there, including modern versions of MS-Word itself, which can read PDFs and then save them as Word files (or vice versa).

A web search on "PDF to DOCX" turns up myriad options.  

But none of these directly involve NVDA and I have no idea which may or may not be accessible.  Like so many things, it's up to you to determine that by trial and error.
 
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Re: Getting your Windows Version

 

Hi,
NVDA will log this info as part of its log (if the log is not disabled, that
is). Note that NVDA will record the version text as reported by Windows, not
its public-facing name e.g. NVDA will report "6.1.7601" instead of "Windows
7 Service Pack 1".
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Antony Stone
Sent: Monday, May 27, 2019 10:23 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Getting your Windows Version

As another aside to the NVDA developers, I assume that NVDA is able to
discover the Windows version for itself, so it might be useful to include
that information as well in the NVDA - Help - About details?

Antony.

On Monday 27 May 2019 at 19:15:09, Brian Vogel wrote:

I'll start by saying I know that the part about getting the Windows
version is off topic, but we are now in a period where the changes in
the latest Feature Update (Version 1903) and its interactions with
NVDA versions are significant.

As a result, it will often be critical when asking questions for the
Windows 10 Version, and sometimes build, numbers to be supplied when
they are asked. To get your Windows 10 Version you can do one of two
things:

1. Hit the Windows Key and immediately type winver , then hit enter.
You will be presented with the About Windows dialog which contains the
line with your version and build.

2. Hit WinKey+R, type in winver in the Open box, then hit enter.
You'll get the dialog noted above. This method should also work in
earlier versions of Windows as well.

If you need your NVDA version, NVDA+N,H,A will bring up the About dialog.

As an aside to the NVDA developers who may be reading, it might be
helpful to make NVDA read its own version number in the more conventional
"dot"
format, e.g., 2019 dot 1 dot 1. Right now it reads this as though it
were a date. It was really odd to have this come out as Version
January first 2019.
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Re: Getting your Windows Version

 

On Mon, May 27, 2019 at 01:21 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
As for version text announced as dates: this is due to speech synthesizer in use.
Thanks.   I know that it's impossible, given the number of synths and the different choices they make, for this to be consistent - but I often forget that it's not.

I also think that Antony's idea is definitely worthy of consideration, and not just for NVDA.  I'd really love it if most of my software were to report it's own name and version number followed by, "running under," the OS in question and its version number/build number (whatever's appropriate) as well.   Anyone assisting on technical issues generally needs to have both and while I'd not expect the version information for any application software to be presented via an OS version function, the reverse is not true.
 
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Re: Getting your Windows Version

Antony Stone
 

As another aside to the NVDA developers, I assume that NVDA is able to
discover the Windows version for itself, so it might be useful to include that
information as well in the NVDA - Help - About details?

Antony.

On Monday 27 May 2019 at 19:15:09, Brian Vogel wrote:

I'll start by saying I know that the part about getting the Windows version
is off topic, but we are now in a period where the changes in the latest
Feature Update (Version 1903) and its interactions with NVDA versions are
significant.

As a result, it will often be critical when asking questions for the
Windows 10 Version, and sometimes build, numbers to be supplied when they
are asked. To get your Windows 10 Version you can do one of two things:

1. Hit the Windows Key and immediately type winver , then hit enter. You
will be presented with the About Windows dialog which contains the line
with your version and build.

2. Hit WinKey+R, type in winver in the Open box, then hit enter. You'll
get the dialog noted above. This method should also work in earlier
versions of Windows as well.

If you need your NVDA version, NVDA+N,H,A will bring up the About dialog.

As an aside to the NVDA developers who may be reading, it might be helpful
to make NVDA read its own version number in the more conventional "dot"
format, e.g., 2019 dot 1 dot 1. Right now it reads this as though it were
a date. It was really odd to have this come out as Version January first
2019.
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Re: Getting your Windows Version

 

Hi,

As for version text announced as dates: this is due to speech synthesizer in use.

For reference (for anyone new and old to this forum): whenever I ask for debug logs dealing with Windows 10, I will ask you to specify Windows 10 version (plus build number for people using Preview releases), along with NVDA release you’ve got. That way I can tell you what to do. Also note that I don’t refer t Windows 10 releases by marketing names – I go by YYMM.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, May 27, 2019 10:15 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Getting your Windows Version

 

I'll start by saying I know that the part about getting the Windows version is off topic, but we are now in a period where the changes in the latest Feature Update (Version 1903) and its interactions with NVDA versions are significant.

As a result, it will often be critical when asking questions for the Windows 10 Version, and sometimes build, numbers to be supplied when they are asked.  To get your Windows 10 Version you can do one of two things:

1. Hit the Windows Key and immediately type winver, then hit enter.  You will be presented with the About Windows dialog which contains the line with your version and build.

2. Hit WinKey+R, type in winver in the Open box, then hit enter.  You'll get the dialog noted above.  This method should also work in earlier versions of Windows as well.


If you need your NVDA version, NVDA+N,H,A will bring up the About dialog.

As an aside to the NVDA developers who may be reading, it might be helpful to make NVDA read its own version number in the more conventional "dot" format, e.g., 2019 dot 1 dot 1.  Right now it reads this as though it were a date.  It was really odd to have this come out as Version January first 2019.
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Puritanism:  The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.

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Getting your Windows Version

 

I'll start by saying I know that the part about getting the Windows version is off topic, but we are now in a period where the changes in the latest Feature Update (Version 1903) and its interactions with NVDA versions are significant.

As a result, it will often be critical when asking questions for the Windows 10 Version, and sometimes build, numbers to be supplied when they are asked.  To get your Windows 10 Version you can do one of two things:

1. Hit the Windows Key and immediately type winver, then hit enter.  You will be presented with the About Windows dialog which contains the line with your version and build.

2. Hit WinKey+R, type in winver in the Open box, then hit enter.  You'll get the dialog noted above.  This method should also work in earlier versions of Windows as well.


If you need your NVDA version, NVDA+N,H,A will bring up the About dialog.

As an aside to the NVDA developers who may be reading, it might be helpful to make NVDA read its own version number in the more conventional "dot" format, e.g., 2019 dot 1 dot 1.  Right now it reads this as though it were a date.  It was really odd to have this come out as Version January first 2019.
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locked Re: idea for add on

 

This topic has also now run its course and, as has been noted, is now really off-topic.

The topic is now locked.

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locked Re: idea for add on

Sarah k Alawami
 

You will type sndvol32

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On 26 May 2019, at 20:46, zahra wrote:

hi.
SNDVOL does not work for me.
what should i tipe on windows xp?

On 5/27/19, zahra via Groups.Io <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:

On 5/27/19, Gene gsasner@... wrote:

I made an error in the last message. I said to use the command alt t to
see
if you have speech. The correct command is control t, as I correctly
stated
when I gave it a second time. So again, control t is the command for
read
title bar.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gene via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 7:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] idea for add on

Not quite. What if the sound is muted, as or more likely than that the
volume has been changed.

Press and hold the Windows key. You must hold it. If you don't, you
will
open the start menu.
Type the letter r while holding the Windows key.
Now type sndvol and press enter.
Press home. That raises the volume to its highest level.
then use the command alt t to see if you have speech.
If not tab once.
You are on a check box which toggles mute off and on.
Press the space bar. Try control t again.
If there is no speech, press the space bar again to return the setting to
what it was originally.
If there is no sound after all this, you may need sighted help.

But this is a perfect illustration of why anyone who relies on sound for
speech and doesn't have a Braille display should have a USB sound card or
USb headphones for such situations. You can have speech if you simply
connect such a USB device.
After connecting it, you may have to unload and run NVDA again to have
speech switch to the USB device.

You can then go in to sound settings and check the settings for the
internal
card to see what the problem is, assuming, of course, that the problem is
related to sound card settings and isn't an NVDA or other probem.

If it is an NVDA or other proboem, you won't have speech whatever sound
card
you use.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 6:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] idea for add on

Gary,

But, what if you don't have sound to start with?

Well, as long as you know all the keyboard keys and its positions,
specifically the letters (which you will know if you're using your
computer
for a reasonable short time), it's no biggie.
Press Windows+R, type SNDVOL and press page up a few times. It's as
simple
as that.

Cheers,
Marcio
AKA Starboy

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hi gene. do you mean nvda tab for reading title bar?

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Converting PDF to Word

 

On Sun, May 26, 2019 at 11:24 PM, sazid shaik wrote:
can we convert pdf to word using nvda? if so how?
No, or at least not per se.

There are various converters out there, including modern versions of MS-Word itself, which can read PDFs and then save them as Word files (or vice versa).

A web search on "PDF to DOCX" turns up myriad options.  

But none of these directly involve NVDA and I have no idea which may or may not be accessible.  Like so many things, it's up to you to determine that by trial and error.
 
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locked Re: idea for add on

Richard Wells
 

On XP, it's sndvol32. And this is off topic, so I'll shut up now.

On 5/26/2019 10:46 PM, zahra wrote:
hi.
SNDVOL does not work for me.
what should i tipe on windows xp?

On 5/27/19, zahra via Groups.Io <nasrinkhaksar3=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
On 5/27/19, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
I made an error in the last message. I said to use the command alt t to
see
if you have speech. The correct command is control t, as I correctly
stated
when I gave it a second time. So again, control t is the command for
read
title bar.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gene via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 7:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] idea for add on


Not quite. What if the sound is muted, as or more likely than that the
volume has been changed.

Press and hold the Windows key. You must hold it. If you don't, you
will
open the start menu.
Type the letter r while holding the Windows key.
Now type sndvol and press enter.
Press home. That raises the volume to its highest level.
then use the command alt t to see if you have speech.
If not tab once.
You are on a check box which toggles mute off and on.
Press the space bar. Try control t again.
If there is no speech, press the space bar again to return the setting to
what it was originally.
If there is no sound after all this, you may need sighted help.

But this is a perfect illustration of why anyone who relies on sound for
speech and doesn't have a Braille display should have a USB sound card or
USb headphones for such situations. You can have speech if you simply
connect such a USB device.
After connecting it, you may have to unload and run NVDA again to have
speech switch to the USB device.

You can then go in to sound settings and check the settings for the
internal
card to see what the problem is, assuming, of course, that the problem is
related to sound card settings and isn't an NVDA or other probem.

If it is an NVDA or other proboem, you won't have speech whatever sound
card
you use.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 6:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] idea for add on


Gary,

But, what if you don't have sound to start with?

Well, as long as you know all the keyboard keys and its positions,
specifically the letters (which you will know if you're using your
computer
for a reasonable short time), it's no biggie.
Press Windows+R, type SNDVOL and press page up a few times. It's as
simple
as that.

Cheers,
Marcio
AKA Starboy


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with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali

hi gene. do you mean nvda tab for reading title bar?




locked Re: idea for add on

 

Another option if you find your e-mail client has somehow gone into bottom posting mode is to make a point of deleting the entire quoted content (CTRL+A followed by either Backspace or Delete) before typing anything at all.

This is actually an excellent practice even when top posting is active when the quoted material is not really necessary.

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Navigating and Using the Google Hangouts App (not webpage) with NVDA

 

Is anyone actually doing this?   I have been playing with the app, and while I can eventually "get myself everywhere" what I can't seem to do reliably is get myself back.

For example, if I get to a given person's conversation, and somehow navigate (I'm still not exactly clear how I did this) over to the list of messages, I cannot seem to find any way to ever get back to the conversations list to move through others in that list.

I've been playing with combinations of conventional navigation and object navigation and still cannot reliably move my way through the conversations list and transition between the conversations list and an actual single conversation for any one of those conversations.

I don't ever recall this being discussed before at any length or a tutorial dedicated to same being mentioned.  [I could be wrong about that, but I don't remember it if either of those things occurred in the past.]

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locked Re: idea for add on

Gary Metzler
 

Thanks for considering this.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Munn
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 8:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] idea for add on

 

This should be one of the feature for the next release of NVDA Screen Reader. I might bring this up during the Lightning talk. 

Thanks 

Best Regards 

Michael Munn 

 

On Sun, May 26, 2019 at 7:56 PM Gary Metzler <gmtravel@...> wrote:

But, what if you don’t have sound to start with?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 7:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] idea for add on

 

Hi Gary,

While you don't get answers about this, you can use this workaround.

  1. Press Windows+R
  2. Type sndvol
  3. You'll be on the mixer window, where you can change the general volume (which will increase/decrease the volume of the entire system) as well as change the volume for a specific app.
  4. Usually the mixer opens in the "system's volume" slider, so just press page up a few times and you should have your sound back.


Hth
Cheers,
Marcio

AKA Starboy

 

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