Date   

Re: In-process 6th June

 

Quentin,
Glad to know that now it's possible to run two copies of NVDA.
While this was possible even before, now it's easier and won't take up much memory so I may well be the next happy tester :)

I was on the Beta channel, opt out of it because I really use NVDA as my only screen reader pretty much all of the time, so having to deal with some situations in this scenario wasn't paying off.
Now it will be way better! Thanks for this, guys!
NVDA rocks all the way!

Cheers,
Marcio AKA Starboy

Sent from a galaxy far, far away.

--
Are you a Thunderbird user? Then join the Thunderbird mailing list to help and be helped with all Thunderbird things - questions, features, add-ons and much more!


Re: In-process 6th June

Quentin Christensen
 

Great to hear Rosemarie, thanks for letting us know :)


On Thu, Jun 6, 2019 at 2:27 PM Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:

Hi, Quinten,

 

I just downloaded NVDA 2019.2 beta and so-far it’s working great.

 

Rosemarie

 

s

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Quentin Christensen
Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2019 9:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] In-process 6th June

 

Hi everyone,

 

A new edition of In-Process is out, this time featuring NVDA 2019.2beta1 and how you can test it out.   Have you tried it yet? This week's post has lots of tips about how to set it up to test with, so please do and then be sure to let us know how you find it!

 

 

Quentin.

 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 

NVDA 2019.2beta1 now available!

 

 



--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

NVDA 2019.2beta1 now available!


Re: In-process 6th June

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Quinten,

 

I just downloaded NVDA 2019.2 beta and so-far it’s working great.

 

Rosemarie

 

s

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Quentin Christensen
Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2019 9:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] In-process 6th June

 

Hi everyone,

 

A new edition of In-Process is out, this time featuring NVDA 2019.2beta1 and how you can test it out.   Have you tried it yet? This week's post has lots of tips about how to set it up to test with, so please do and then be sure to let us know how you find it!

 

 

Quentin.

 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 

NVDA 2019.2beta1 now available!

 

 


In-process 6th June

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi everyone,

A new edition of In-Process is out, this time featuring NVDA 2019.2beta1 and how you can test it out.   Have you tried it yet? This week's post has lots of tips about how to set it up to test with, so please do and then be sure to let us know how you find it!


Quentin.

--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

NVDA 2019.2beta1 now available!


locked Re: Reading past the visible screen on a CMD Window?

Norman <lists@...>
 

Hi.

To the best of my knowledge there is no way to do it. What i usually do is a select all and copy paste into a text editor to read it. This is easier since i switched to linux as ctrl shift with the letters a, c, or v, do select all, copy, and paste respectively.

As for development, i'm looking to handle that part in an IDE or text editor of some sort.

Something like vscode for windows would have an integrated console that would let you read it.


HTH.


On 6/5/19 6:53 PM, Tony Malykh wrote:

Hi

As others have said, the best option would probably be to redirect your output into a file and then open that file in the editor of your choice. Since you mentioned you're working over ssh, you would need to somehow copy that file over to your local computer. The way I have solved this problem is I had to mount the file system of my ssh server locally using SSHFS, or alternatively you can use SMB, and then you can open files directly from your remote server. It requires some effort to configure network file system, but in the end it's probably the only convenient solution.

--Tony


On 6/4/2019 6:49 AM, Brandon Keith Biggs wrote:
Hello,
Does anyone know how to read past the visible screen or scroll windows CMD windows either using NVDA key commands, an addon, or some command in Windows?
Normally I select all by going to the system menu and copy the whole buffer to the clipboard.
I am currently using an SSH session in the Ubuntu emulator by Windows, and the system menu is not there. I'm doing NodeJS development over SSH and I really need to scroll past the visible window to read the start of the error.
Does anyone know how to do this?
Thank you,


locked Re: Reading past the visible screen on a CMD Window?

Tony Malykh
 

Hi

As others have said, the best option would probably be to redirect your output into a file and then open that file in the editor of your choice. Since you mentioned you're working over ssh, you would need to somehow copy that file over to your local computer. The way I have solved this problem is I had to mount the file system of my ssh server locally using SSHFS, or alternatively you can use SMB, and then you can open files directly from your remote server. It requires some effort to configure network file system, but in the end it's probably the only convenient solution.

--Tony


On 6/4/2019 6:49 AM, Brandon Keith Biggs wrote:

Hello,
Does anyone know how to read past the visible screen or scroll windows CMD windows either using NVDA key commands, an addon, or some command in Windows?
Normally I select all by going to the system menu and copy the whole buffer to the clipboard.
I am currently using an SSH session in the Ubuntu emulator by Windows, and the system menu is not there. I'm doing NodeJS development over SSH and I really need to scroll past the visible window to read the start of the error.
Does anyone know how to do this?
Thank you,


Re: NVDA and file explorer

Quentin Christensen
 

When NVDA goes silent, does it work anywhere else?  EG if you then open Word does it read there?

Are you running any add-ons?  If so, if you restart NVDA with add-ons disabled (press NVDA+q then down arrow to restart with add-ons disabled and press ENTER) does that make a difference?

Finally, a copy of your log would hopefully shed some light on what is going on.  If you could send me a copy of your log I can have a look - since you have to unload NVDA (and either restart or use Jaws), you will find the log in the %temp% folder, either as nvda.log if you have not restarted NVDA since it happened, or nvda-old.log if you have restarted NVDA.  Email to me at info@... (alternatively you can open the log in notepad and copy the contents in a reply to the list here - you just can't attach files to emails to the list).

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Jun 6, 2019 at 6:07 AM Don H <lmddh50@...> wrote:
Running latest released version of NVDA on a Win 10 1903 system. Having
a issue where on what seems to be a random thing where NVDA will not
read anything in file explorer.  So if I open my downloads folder, my
documents folder and such I can not arrow down through the list of files
and folders.  If this silence happens I can unload NVDA and start Jaws
2019 and it reads fine. Unload Jaws and reload NVDA and problem still
exists.  A system restart will resolve the problem until it randomly
happens again.

Any help would be appreciated.







--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Strike Through Text

rae.rankin@...
 

We are converting documents for accessibility and have some that show suggested text changes by using strikethrough. NVDA does not read the text as being struck. Is there a way to do that?
The text was created in a Word document and has been converted to a pdf.


NVDA and file explorer

Don H
 

Running latest released version of NVDA on a Win 10 1903 system. Having a issue where on what seems to be a random thing where NVDA will not read anything in file explorer.  So if I open my downloads folder, my documents folder and such I can not arrow down through the list of files and folders.  If this silence happens I can unload NVDA and start Jaws 2019 and it reads fine. Unload Jaws and reload NVDA and problem still exists.  A system restart will resolve the problem until it randomly happens again.

Any help would be appreciated.


locked Re: Reading past the visible screen on a CMD Window?

Jonathan COHN
 

If you can find the scroll bar, you can probably scroll up a page and use the review cursor to examine the page. That being said, it is more efficient to work directly with either less or an editor and a log file.

The less command will allow you to use slash or question mark to search forward and backward through the file, and puts the result on the top line of the terminal window.

-----Original Message-----
From: Luke Davis <luke@...>
Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2019 4:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading past the visible screen on a CMD Window?
Importance: Low

I don't know how to do this, but can't you pipe your compiler output through less?

npm --whatever 2>&1 | less

Luke

On Tue, 4 Jun 2019, Brandon Keith Biggs wrote:

Hello,Does anyone know how to read past the visible screen or scroll
windows CMD windows either using NVDA key commands, an addon, or some command in Windows?
Normally I select all by going to the system menu and copy the whole buffer to the clipboard.
I am currently using an SSH session in the Ubuntu emulator by Windows,
and the system menu is not there. I'm doing NodeJS development over SSH and I really need to scroll past the visible window to read the start of the error.


Re: Presenting using Microsoft powerpoint 2016 and nvda

Pascal Lambert <coccinelle86@...>
 

Hi,

Many years ago, when I did presentations to Army Commanders, I used Microsoft Word to prepare my slides and provided print copies when it was a small group.  In a large group, I used a projector to give the presentation.  As Brian said, the info is what my Commanders were interested in and paid attention to not the graphic enhancements.  So if there is a way to present the info with PowerPoint that overcome the technical hurdles, that is what matters.     

Blessings

Pascal

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2019 11:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Presenting using Microsoft powerpoint 2016 and nvda

 

On Wed, Jun 5, 2019 at 04:11 AM, Azra Tayebi wrote:

I guess the thing you said about the special view must be the problem. I will try to find that out.

And you need not use the actual slide show, it just makes the presentation more attractive and with zero visual clutter outside the slide itself.  But, if you're the presenter and you need that input that cannot be obtained in slide show mode, the audience can certainly deal with seeing the slides down the edge of the screen other than the one you're presenting at the moment, etc.  This is a case where style definitely doesn't take precedence over substance, which the presenter needs to present and which the audience is there to absorb.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

Puritanism:  The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.

        ~ H.L. Mencken

 

 


Re: Presenting using Microsoft powerpoint 2016 and nvda

 

On Wed, Jun 5, 2019 at 04:11 AM, Azra Tayebi wrote:
I guess the thing you said about the special view must be the problem. I will try to find that out.
And you need not use the actual slide show, it just makes the presentation more attractive and with zero visual clutter outside the slide itself.  But, if you're the presenter and you need that input that cannot be obtained in slide show mode, the audience can certainly deal with seeing the slides down the edge of the screen other than the one you're presenting at the moment, etc.  This is a case where style definitely doesn't take precedence over substance, which the presenter needs to present and which the audience is there to absorb.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

Puritanism:  The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.

        ~ H.L. Mencken

 

 


Re: Presenting using Microsoft powerpoint 2016 and nvda

Azra Tayebi
 

Hi all,

Thanks for these answers. Sorry I was not clear enough. I do hear the sound through my computer. In fact I have done what you have said to hear the computer through computer, because not only my audience is usually not intrested to hear every slide read to them, but also because many times the sound coming through hdmi cable is a bit slow .

SO I do hear nvda talking, but I cannot hear it says the slides content in the present view, as it does if hdmi is not connected.

I guess the thing you said about the special view must be the problem. I will try to find that out.

Thanks so much again to both of You,

Azra,

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Jens Gierke
Sent: 04 June 2019 16:58
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Presenting using Microsoft powerpoint 2016 and nvda

 

Hi,

 

there might be two problems:

 

As HDMI can transport video and audio signals, it could be possible that

Windows switches the sound output device to the beamer (even if the

beamer doesn't have speakers). If this happens, a sighted person has to

switch the output device back to your headphone (right click on the

speaker symbol in the systray).

 

Another problem could be a special view Powerpoint provides. I'm using a

german Powerpoint so I unfortunately can't tell you how the option is

called in English. On the ribbon "presentation" there is an option which

shows a special view of the presentation - but only if there is an

external display or beamer connected. If this option is enabled, you

have a special view on your notebook which includes a preview on the

next slide, a clock, etc. With this special view, NVDA doesn't work. You

just have to disable this option.

 

I hope I could help you a bit.

 

Best regards,

Jens

 

Am 04.06.2019 um 14:18 schrieb Azra Tayebi:

> Hi everyone,

> I have a question related to nvda and presentation using powerpoint 2016. Part of my job is to teach different workshops. I have to use powerpoint for my presentations ( or I can start using something else if I know that would work better)

> My main problem at the moment is that when my computer is connected to the screen via HDMI cable  and I put my slide on  presentation view, nvda does not read the slides to me any more.

> If I use the presentation view without hdmi cable it does work fine.

> Does anyone have a solution for this?

> I appreciate any help.

> Greetings,

> Azra,

> Sent from Mail for Windows 10

>

 

 

 


Re: Need help about the sleep mode feature

 

Its easy enough to turn the thing on and off when needed.

For me I use it in elektron apps, some bgt apps, and apps like eurofly.

The thing is that eurofly has one mode where its a major list where you need sleep on but there is a general mode where it will do it to everything to, you really need to be carefull with sleeping something.

The only time I have set something like this ever is if the reader is spewing spurious information at me.

On 5/06/2019 4:20 PM, Luke Davis wrote:
On Wed, 5 Jun 2019, Dang Manh Cuong wrote:

By the way, I'm think of create an issue on github that suggest to make the sleep mode active forever so we don't need to do more stuff for this job. What do you think?
I think almost immediately, someone with "save configuration on exit" would accidentally turn on sleep mode in the main profile without knowing what it is, restart NVDA because it stopped talking, and then email this list to say NVDA doesn't talk any more!  After which a lot of unnecessary debugging efforts would be undertaken by this community.

So personally i think saving the sleep mode state should require a bit of work (but it's only a little bit of work), to prevent people causing themselves a lot of trouble.

Luke




Re: Need help about the sleep mode feature

Luke Davis
 

On Wed, 5 Jun 2019, Dang Manh Cuong wrote:

By the way, I'm think of create an issue on github that suggest to make the sleep mode active forever so we don't need to do more stuff for this job. What do you think?
I think almost immediately, someone with "save configuration on exit" would accidentally turn on sleep mode in the main profile without knowing what it is, restart NVDA because it stopped talking, and then email this list to say NVDA doesn't talk any more! After which a lot of unnecessary debugging efforts would be undertaken by this community.

So personally i think saving the sleep mode state should require a bit of work (but it's only a little bit of work), to prevent people causing themselves a lot of trouble.

Luke


Re: Need help about the sleep mode feature

 

Hi
Simpley, just create a configuration profile, and activate it with the program in which you want to put in sleep mode, then press NVDA+Shift+S (Laptop NVDA+Shift+Z) at the program window to put it in sleep mode, and press NVDA+Shift+C to save the configuration. However, I just accomplish to save the configuration after activating sleep mode if I use keyboard as laptop layout. Don't know why.
By the way, I'm think of create an issue on github that suggest to make the sleep mode active forever so we don't need to do more stuff for this job. What do you think?
Cuong

On 4/6/2019 10:18 PM, Richard Wells wrote:
Luke and all: could you explain more about creating a sleep profile or
point me to where in documentation to find this? Thank you all for all
you teach me about NVDA.

On 6/4/2019 3:54 AM, Dang Manh Cuong wrote:
Thanks Luke and all. I'll give a try.

Cuong

On 4/6/2019 3:53 PM, Luke Davis wrote:
On Tue, 4 Jun 2019, Dang Manh Cuong wrote:

a self-voicing typing program from the company I work. When I press
NVDA+Shift+S
in SMTT to put NVDA in the sleep mode, it works, but when I close
and reopen SMTT, NVDA become active like I didn't put it into sleep
mode before.
That is the expected behavior. Have you tried creating a
configuration profile to handle this?

Create a profile that triggers when SMTT opens.
Then, open SMTT, and put NVDA to Sleep.
Last, press NVDA+ctrl+c, which should save the configuration for you.

Luke



--
Đặng Mạnh Cường
Chuyên viên công nghệ trợ giúp
Trung tâm hướng nghiệp và công nghệ trợ giúp cho người mù Sao Mai
52/22 Huỳnh Thiện Lộc, P. Hòa Thạnh, Q. Tân Phú, TP. HCM
Điện thoại: 028-7302-4488
E-mail: tech@...
Website: http://www.trungtamsaomai.org; http://www.saomaicenter.org
Điện thoại di động / Zalo: 0902-572-300
E-mail: dangmanhcuong@...; cuong@...
Skype: dangmanhcuong
facebook: http://facebook.com/dangmanhcuong
Twitter: ManhCuongTech


Notice: Joseph Lee's add-ons are compatible with NVDA 2019.2

 

Hi all,

 

For people on the add-ons list may have seen a message from an add-on author telling you that her add-ons are ready for NVDA 2019.2. As a follow-up, I’d like to announce that all my add-ons are ready for NVDA 2019.2. I do test my add-ons on alpha snapshots and prepare them as needed; I usually do not announce compatibility statement until beta 1 is released.

 

Some things to note for some add-ons:

 

  • Version jumps: as noted a few days ago, some add-ons will now require newer NVDA releases. The big one is coming later, but for now, Windows 10 App Essentials will transition to supporting NVDA 2019.1 and later, and Add-on Updater will follow after, supporting NVDA 2019.2. For Windows 10 App Essentials, minimum version requirement will be invoked with a development snapshot planned for later this week (likely June 7th snapshot).
  • Effective June 15, the following add-ons will enter lifeboat maintenance mode: Golden Cursor, SystrayList, Virtual Review. Lifeboat maintenance mode means an add-on will be prepared to be donated to the community for further maintenance i.e. I’m stepping down from maintainer role for these add-ons. Due to a massive change planned for NVDA, I’ll maintain these add-ons until that change comes; after that, I’ll donate current source code to the community. I expect to release at least one more releases of these add-ons before stepping down.

 

Cheers,

Joseph


Web aim survey primary screen reader over time

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi guys


I was looking at the web aim surveys and looking at the results over time and how things change. I was looking at the primary screen readers people use  one from web aim survey 2 and one from web aim survey 7 which includes NVDA in the numbers.


If you want to see the difference in each web aim survey from the start for primary screen reader  the word is getting out there.


I also look at NVDA user statistics which only shows where NVDA is allowed to contact the server and let NVACCESS know how many people are using NVDA from day to day.


Those numbers do not include where people do not have internet access or the update feature is turned off.


But it shows me over time how many more people use the nvda screen reader.

I was just looking at the web aim surveys that come out from time to time. I jumped down to how many people use there screen reader as there primary one. The first bit is from the second web aim survey and the last one is from the web aim survey 7.

 

It shows you over time how NVDA has come up in numbers from its early days of the survey.

Plus how things change over time.

 

Myself when they come out I always fill it in as it also helps when I advocate to get NVDA into government/community places here

If they can see a graph that there are users out there using NVDA it helps open doors.

Plus NVDA can benefit more than just the few.

Primary Screen Reader

Primary Screen Reader

 

 

Which of the following is your primary screen reader?

Screen Reader

# of Respondents

% of Respondents

JAWS

435

66.4%

Window Eyes

68

10.4%

VoiceOver

58

8.9%

System Access or System Access To Go

32

4.9%

NVDA

19

2.9%

ZoomText

17

2.6%

Hal

4

0.6%

Supernova

1

0.2%

Other

21

3.2%

 

 

Which of the following is your primary desktop/laptop screen reader

 

?

Screen Reader

# of Respondents

% of Respondents

JAWS

811

46.6%

NVDA

555

31.9%

VoiceOver

204

11.7%

ZoomText

42

2.4%

System Access or SA To Go

30

1.7%

Window-Eyes

27

1.5%

ChromeVox

7

0.4%

Narrator

6

0.3%

Other

60

3.4%

The following chart shows historical trends for primary screen reader usage.

Line chart of primary screen reader usage over time. In 2015, ZoomText and WindowEyes rise dramatically and JAWS falls. In 2017, ZoomText and WindowEyes drop dramatically and JAWS, NVDA, and VoiceOver rise.

What happened in 2015? Essentially, the survey was distributed to a much broader audience, with many ZoomText and Window-Eyes users recruited to respond. Window-Eyes was also offered freely with Microsoft Office before the 2015 survey, but has since been discontinued. A much broader analysis from 2015 is available on the WebAIM blog.

 

 

--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net
 
Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which location (or locations) are nearest to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa).
To find out which software is installed on the APNK network please visit the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/software To find out how to use NVDA on APNK computers please visit the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/nvda
 

To find out which software is available on the Christchurch City Library network, and how to start the NVDA screen reader, please go to the following links. Software available  https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faq/computers/#faq_5884  How to start the NVDA screen reader on Christchurch City Library computers  https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faqs/what-screen-reader-software-is-available/
 
To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


locked Re: Reading past the visible screen on a CMD Window?

Brian Tew
 

You could redirect stderr to a file then read the file.
or less as someone suggested.


locked Re: Reading past the visible screen on a CMD Window?

Luke Davis
 

I don't know how to do this, but can't you pipe your compiler output through less?

npm --whatever 2>&1 | less

Luke

On Tue, 4 Jun 2019, Brandon Keith Biggs wrote:

Hello,Does anyone know how to read past the visible screen or scroll windows CMD windows either using NVDA key commands, an addon, or some command in
Windows?
Normally I select all by going to the system menu and copy the whole buffer to the clipboard.
I am currently using an SSH session in the Ubuntu emulator by Windows, and the system menu is not there. I'm doing NodeJS development over SSH and I really
need to scroll past the visible window to read the start of the error.

38801 - 38820 of 100970