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Strange affect on NVDA voices after Win10 update on 14 June 2019

Giles Turnbull
 

Hi all,

I'll be cross-posting this to the BCAB email list because I'm not sure if it's an NVDA-specific issue, a windows update issue or a Dell-laptop issue.

Let me explain what is happening.

Yesterday I had a friend visit who had never heard a screen reader before, so I demonstrated my NVDA using the Microsoft SAPI 5 voice Zira. I also changed the symthesizer to the E-Speak one and used the Lancashire voice before changing back to SAPI5 / Zira.

Windows also picked yesterday to do an automatic update. I am now running Windows 10 Version 1803 (OS Build 17134.829)

What is happening is that the volume using the Microsoft SAPI5 voices Zira and David are flucuating wildly in volume. I do have NVDA set to duck when outputing speech and sounds but even when I turn ducking off I'm still getting very large spikes in volume when typing.

For example, as I am typing this it was at my usual nice listening volume but then I went into the NVDA menu to look at the speech settings again, and the volume in the menu jumped and got much harsher (Zira is quite a soft voice at my usual listening volume). I pressed ESC to come out of the settings and it remained loud and harsh for several bits of typing before settling back down to the mor normal volume level. Let me see how long it takes for the volume to rise again ... and it is already harsher and louder ... and will drob down and softer now. It's all very strange! I am writing this in Notepad.

I recorded the Zira voice reading most of that previous sentence and it still sounds exactly the same as in the recording, it starts at a comfortable listening volume and quicly gets louder and more abrasive.. 
 
Can anybody tell from the recording (link here with the url broken up with three spaces so it works on the NVDA group webpage) what might be happening.
http:// gilesturnbullpoet.com /wp-content/uploads/ 2019/06/NVDA-post-Win-update.mp3

It is most likely that I have inadvertenly changed a voice setting (though all settings seem as they normally are), or that the Windows update has tweeked something in the SAPI5 and Core1 voices, or has upset something in my Dell Latitude laptop sound drivers.

I'd be extremely grateful for any ideas that I can try to fix this problem.

Giles
nvda2019.2 beta1 fail in eclipse

Alexandre Alves Toco
 

Steps to reproduce:

  1. Open eclipse
  2. Press alt+shift+q to show the list of views available
  3. Press p to open package explorer
  4. I have some projects. So I press some arrow down to locate the one I want to open.
  5. Press numpad insert + slash to join the mouse to the navigator object that is also the system focus.
  6. Press numpad divide to simulate the right click.
  7. Choose open.
  8. I noticed that nvda freezes for a while and then loses focus.

Below is a part of the log.

DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole (08:07:31.769):

accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'Par\xe2metro incorreto.', (None, None, None, 0, None))

DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (08:07:32.216):

COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0xa3ed394 at a6dc850> already deleted

DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole (08:08:16.155):

accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'Par\xe2metro incorreto.', (None, None, None, 0, None))

DEBUGWARNING - watchdog._watcher (08:08:16.434):

Trying to recover from freeze, core stack:

  File "nvda.pyw", line 231, in <module>

  File "core.pyo", line 519, in main

  File "wx\core.pyo", line 2134, in MainLoop

  File "gui\__init__.pyo", line 1003, in Notify

  File "core.pyo", line 489, in run

  File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 883, in pumpAll

  File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 671, in processFocusWinEvent

  File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 687, in processFocusNVDAEvent

  File "baseObject.pyo", line 47, in __get__

  File "baseObject.pyo", line 147, in _getPropertyViaCache

  File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyo", line 673, in _get_shouldAllowIAccessibleFocusEvent

  File "baseObject.pyo", line 47, in __get__

  File "baseObject.pyo", line 147, in _getPropertyViaCache

  File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyo", line 1662, in _get_parent

  File "baseObject.pyo", line 47, in __get__

  File "baseObject.pyo", line 147, in _getPropertyViaCache

  File "NVDAObjects\window\__init__.pyo", line 271, in _get_parent

  File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyo", line 202, in findBestAPIClass

  File "NVDAObjects\window\__init__.pyo", line 103, in getPossibleAPIClasses

  File "_UIAHandler.pyo", line 389, in isUIAWindow

  File "_UIAHandler.pyo", line 367, in _isUIAWindowHelper

 

WARNING - watchdog._watcher (08:08:31.476):

Core frozen in stack:

  File "nvda.pyw", line 231, in <module>

  File "core.pyo", line 519, in main

  File "wx\core.pyo", line 2134, in MainLoop

  File "gui\__init__.pyo", line 1003, in Notify

  File "core.pyo", line 489, in run

  File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 883, in pumpAll

  File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 671, in processFocusWinEvent

  File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 687, in processFocusNVDAEvent

  File "baseObject.pyo", line 47, in __get__

  File "baseObject.pyo", line 147, in _getPropertyViaCache

  File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyo", line 673, in _get_shouldAllowIAccessibleFocusEvent

  File "baseObject.pyo", line 47, in __get__

  File "baseObject.pyo", line 147, in _getPropertyViaCache

  File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyo", line 1662, in _get_parent

  File "baseObject.pyo", line 47, in __get__

  File "baseObject.pyo", line 147, in _getPropertyViaCache

  File "NVDAObjects\window\__init__.pyo", line 271, in _get_parent

  File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyo", line 202, in findBestAPIClass

  File "NVDAObjects\window\__init__.pyo", line 103, in getPossibleAPIClasses

  File "_UIAHandler.pyo", line 389, in isUIAWindow

  File "_UIAHandler.pyo", line 367, in _isUIAWindowHelper

 

DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (08:08:40.644):

COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0xa3ec5c8 at 524ecb0> already deleted

DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole (08:08:40.645):

accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'Par\xe2metro incorreto.', (None, None, None, 0, None))

DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole (08:08:41.674):

accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'Par\xe2metro incorreto.', (None, None, None, 0, None))

 

Enviado do Email para Windows 10

 
Re: office 365 and nvda: save dialogue

Rick
 

Hello Daniel:

I am assuming that you are talking about the Save As dialog, which is displayed when pressing Control+S on a new, unsaved document. The behavior of Control+S has changed starting in Office 2013. To get the traditional Save As dialog, press F12 instead.

It is possible to turn off the new Save as tab, also called the "Backstage", and only use the traditional dialog box.

To change this, press Alt+F, then T to open the Word options dialog. Once the dialog opens, press Control+Tab until you hear Save. Then press Tab multiple times until you hear, " Don't show the Backstage when opening or saving files with keyboard shortcuts" and make sure this is checked.

Rick

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Daniel Wolak
Sent: Friday, June 14, 2019 4:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] office 365 and nvda: save dialogue

Hi all,

This may be slightly off-topic for this list. It is however a brief question, so I hope will be resolved rather quickly.

I've recently upgraded from office 2010 to 365, and now notice that the save dialogue has changed.

Instead of a traditional save dialogue, I am now presented with various groupings of folders such as recents, accessed through the ribbon. Even pressing enter on a folder such as documents doesn't yield the save dialogue, I have to tab over several times until I find the button of this folder name to click on. I'm just wondering if there is a way to change this behaviour?

Many thanks,


Daniel
why nvda doesn't read editable section?

Alexandre Alves Toco
 

Hi,

The link below is na css course and the example code is written in na object that nvda identify as na editable section.

But it doesn’t read the contente of this section.

Is it a bug?

http://www.westciv.com/style_master/academy/css_tutorial/selectors/class_selectors.html

 

Enviado do Email para Windows 10

 
Re: Reddit with NVDA

Marcio
 

Hope,
Thanks for this! Downloaded the extension :)

I would love to play a bit with Greasemonkey but I don't know much of what it's about.
If you have the patience to explain a little bit of it so that I can get started, I'd love it.
As this is offtopic for the list we could move it to the chat subgroup or even to private if you want.
Of course I don't want to bug you, so if you aren't in the mood for it I'll perfectly understand :)

Thanks again!

Cheers,
Marcio AKA Starboy

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Re: Reddit with NVDA

Hope Williamson <hopeisjoyful@...>
 

You need to go to old.reddit.com every time you want to use this. There are scripts and extensions for various browsers that will do this automatically for you, depending on which browser you use. I personally have this user script installed: https://greasyfork.org/en/scripts/40897-old-reddit-please you’ll need an extension like greasemonkey to install these kind of scripts. There’s also this extension for Firefox: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/old-reddit-redirect/
The new chromium based edge browser crashing or closing

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi guys


Has any one noticed in the last couple of days when you go to use the new chromium based edge browser it seems to close or crash then closes.  Even if you do a alt/tab it does not show in the task bar. You use it for a little bit then it does it again.


it did not used  to do it but i thin with the dev channel it updated early on this week. I do have the log which i can paste into this email.


It used to go quite well before that so some thing has changed.


I am using the latest beta shot of nvda alog with windows 1903. I think it also crashes with the stable version of nvda 2019.1.1 as well



I can post the log in if i hear it is more than just me.


Gene nz


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office 365 and nvda: save dialogue

Daniel Wolak
 

Hi all,

This may be slightly off-topic for this list. It is however a brief
question, so I hope will be resolved rather quickly.

I've recently upgraded from office 2010 to 365, and now notice that the
save dialogue has changed.

Instead of a traditional save dialogue, I am now presented with various
groupings of folders such as recents, accessed through the ribbon. Even
pressing enter on a folder such as documents doesn't yield the save
dialogue, I have to tab over several times until I find the button of
this folder name to click on. I'm just wondering if there is a way to
change this behaviour?

Many thanks,


Daniel
Re: After starting Ccleaner is restart Nvda

Shaun Everiss
 

Never had that problem.

That shouldn't happen, I have noticed that sometimes when things change about in the program it goes stupid and I have to alt tab a couple times but thats not a big deal usually.

I have never had it restart nvda.

On 15/06/2019 2:42 AM, Jarek.Krcmar wrote:
Hi all,

I found a problem with the Ccleaner.

When I start the Ccleaner, it restart Nvda.

I would like to know, where is a problem.

The Ccleaner doesn't work.
Re: random bug: sometimes the volume percentage reads when I don't have the controls open

Sarah k Alawami
 

Ah. Since my add ons are disbled for now I guess I'll have to just deal. Lol! Thanks and I guess i'll just tune it out.

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On 14 Jun 2019, at 9:21, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

This is a combination of Windows and NVDA. In short, NVDA is following what Narrator is doing: announcing notifications from apps in the foreground. In this case, volume/brightness notifications are sent by File Explorer, thus when you move to desktop an/or open something in File Explorer, these announcements will be heard.

Until a few days ago I allowed NVDA to announce volume and brightness change notifications from everywhere, but decided to cut back on that from my add-on in order to follow NVDA Core more closely.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Friday, June 14, 2019 9:13 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] random bug: sometimes the volume percentage reads when I don't have the controls open

 

Yep I believe that's when it happens. Is there a way to shut that off? Or, is this a a windows thing?

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website. This is also our libsyn page as well.
For stuff we sell, mac training materials and  tutorials go here.
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On 14 Jun 2019, at 0:09, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

Just to make sure that I’m on the right track: does this happen when focused on File Explorer? If yes, this is due to NVDA 2019.2 introducing this change since Windows 10 Version 1903 communicates volume and brightness changes differently from older releases.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Friday, June 14, 2019 12:08 AM
To: Nvda List <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] random bug: sometimes the volume percentage reads when I don't have the controls open

 

I really don't know when this happens but this has happened with both add ons disabled and not disabled. I had mine disabled and noticed it, except when I tried to restart nvda it looked like it didn't, but the reading of the percentages stopped when I was controlling my headset via the nob on it. This is a wireless headset.

Running windows 10 1903 and latest nvda beta and all add ons that can be updated, are.

Here is the log. I'm off to bed, I'm so tired right now I can hardly think.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/1u2ijl0ooc5p1ww/NVDA%20LOG%20VOLUME%20verbosity%20%20AT%20FULL.txt?dl=1

I just hope that there is no deeper problem with windows with all of these issues I'm having, I don't have time for that right now.

Blessings and happy Friday
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For stuff we sell, mac training materials and  tutorials go here.
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Re: random bug: sometimes the volume percentage reads when I don't have the controls open

Joseph Lee
 

Hi,

This is a combination of Windows and NVDA. In short, NVDA is following what Narrator is doing: announcing notifications from apps in the foreground. In this case, volume/brightness notifications are sent by File Explorer, thus when you move to desktop an/or open something in File Explorer, these announcements will be heard.

Until a few days ago I allowed NVDA to announce volume and brightness change notifications from everywhere, but decided to cut back on that from my add-on in order to follow NVDA Core more closely.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Friday, June 14, 2019 9:13 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] random bug: sometimes the volume percentage reads when I don't have the controls open

 

Yep I believe that's when it happens. Is there a way to shut that off? Or, is this a a windows thing?

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website. This is also our libsyn page as well.
For stuff we sell, mac training materials and  tutorials go here.
and for hosting options go here
to subscribe to the feed click here

Our telegram channel is also a good place for an announce only in regard to podcasts, contests, etc.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 14 Jun 2019, at 0:09, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

Just to make sure that I’m on the right track: does this happen when focused on File Explorer? If yes, this is due to NVDA 2019.2 introducing this change since Windows 10 Version 1903 communicates volume and brightness changes differently from older releases.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Friday, June 14, 2019 12:08 AM
To: Nvda List <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] random bug: sometimes the volume percentage reads when I don't have the controls open

 

I really don't know when this happens but this has happened with both add ons disabled and not disabled. I had mine disabled and noticed it, except when I tried to restart nvda it looked like it didn't, but the reading of the percentages stopped when I was controlling my headset via the nob on it. This is a wireless headset.

Running windows 10 1903 and latest nvda beta and all add ons that can be updated, are.

Here is the log. I'm off to bed, I'm so tired right now I can hardly think.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/1u2ijl0ooc5p1ww/NVDA%20LOG%20VOLUME%20verbosity%20%20AT%20FULL.txt?dl=1

I just hope that there is no deeper problem with windows with all of these issues I'm having, I don't have time for that right now.

Blessings and happy Friday
Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website. This is also our libsyn page as well.
For stuff we sell, mac training materials and  tutorials go here.
and for hosting options go here
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Our telegram channel is also a good place for an announce only in regard to podcasts, contests, etc.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here
Re: random bug: sometimes the volume percentage reads when I don't have the controls open

Sarah k Alawami
 

Yep I believe that's when it happens. Is there a way to shut that off? Or, is this a a windows thing?

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website. This is also our libsyn page as well.
For stuff we sell, mac training materials and  tutorials go here.
and for hosting options go here
to subscribe to the feed click here

Our telegram channel is also a good place for an announce only in regard to podcasts, contests, etc.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 14 Jun 2019, at 0:09, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

Just to make sure that I’m on the right track: does this happen when focused on File Explorer? If yes, this is due to NVDA 2019.2 introducing this change since Windows 10 Version 1903 communicates volume and brightness changes differently from older releases.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Friday, June 14, 2019 12:08 AM
To: Nvda List <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] random bug: sometimes the volume percentage reads when I don't have the controls open

 

I really don't know when this happens but this has happened with both add ons disabled and not disabled. I had mine disabled and noticed it, except when I tried to restart nvda it looked like it didn't, but the reading of the percentages stopped when I was controlling my headset via the nob on it. This is a wireless headset.

Running windows 10 1903 and latest nvda beta and all add ons that can be updated, are.

Here is the log. I'm off to bed, I'm so tired right now I can hardly think.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/1u2ijl0ooc5p1ww/NVDA%20LOG%20VOLUME%20verbosity%20%20AT%20FULL.txt?dl=1

I just hope that there is no deeper problem with windows with all of these issues I'm having, I don't have time for that right now.

Blessings and happy Friday
Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website. This is also our libsyn page as well.
For stuff we sell, mac training materials and  tutorials go here.
and for hosting options go here
to subscribe to the feed click here

Our telegram channel is also a good place for an announce only in regard to podcasts, contests, etc.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here
Re: After starting Ccleaner is restart Nvda

Roger Stewart
 

Not here. It works fine here with nvda.
Roger

On 6/14/2019 9:42 AM, Jarek.Krcmar wrote:
Hi all,

I found a problem with the Ccleaner.

When I start the Ccleaner, it restart Nvda.

I would like to know, where is a problem.

The Ccleaner doesn't work.
After starting Ccleaner is restart Nvda

Jarek.Krcmar
 

Hi all,

I found a problem with the Ccleaner.

When I start the Ccleaner, it restart Nvda.

I would like to know, where is a problem.

The Ccleaner doesn't work.


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Re: Reddit with NVDA

Marcio
 

Hope,
I use the old version of Reddit though, so maybe this is why.
I guess I switched to this version as well. But just to be on the safe side and know that I did it right how is it done?

Cheers,
Marcio AKA Starboy

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Re: BARD Express

Robert Kingett
 

You need to reduce the number of columns being displayed, and also, make sure the bard express program is not in advanced view. Simple view. The bard express support email is below, I'd write to them about this.


nlsdownload@...
BARD Express

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 

If any of the developers are using this program from NLS would it be possible to configure an addon that would read all of the annotation? At this point it reads only the first 14 words then jumps to the narrator. Jaws reads all of the annotation but I would prefer not having to switch screen readers for one program.

 

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Re: Reddit with NVDA

Hope Williamson <hopeisjoyful@...>
 

I use Reddit with NVDA all the time and don't need an add-on for it. I use the old version of Reddit though, so maybe this is why.
Re: Browse mode in Microsoft OneNote

Daniel Gartmann <lists@...>
 



I would definitely like that to happen as well. OneNote is a really useful app for saving all kinds of information.

Daniel

Den 14. jun. 2019 kl. 03.43 skrev Rick <softwarethatworks@...>:

Hello:
 
At the company that I work for, Microsoft OneNote is heavily used for various purposes. When I look at the Microsoft recommendations on making accessible OneNote documents, it recommends many of the same things for making accessible Word documents and emails (headings, links with descriptive text, etc. However, NVDA does not seem to support browse mode when I am in OneNote, so I am unable to take advantage of semantic markup like headings. JAWS also does not seem to support browse mode. However, Narrator supports browse mode (called scan mode) in OneNote.
 
Am I correct that NVDA does not support browse mode in OneNote? This means that I also am not able to bring up the elements dialog.
 
Running latest released copy of NVDA, Windows 10 and Office 2016.
 
Rick
 
 
 
Issue with nvdaremote

Andrew Martinez
 

Hi guys so in the recent update of nvvda i have been having this issue with nvdaremote where when I try to put up a key it rejects me from the nvdaremote menu and brings me right back to my desktop, or whatever is open at that time. Is anyone else having this issue? And if so is there a fix for it yet?