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Re: Accessible Apps for Writers, Learning NVDA

 

Bob,

           The laws were changed in the EU, but the licenses can be resold to anyone, anywhere.  I was just trying to give a bit of the history of the relatively new recycled license market.

           There's one eBay seller at the moment who's got recycled Microsoft Office 2016 Pro Plus up for $1.90, and plenty more well under $10.  I gambled with a number of the ones I bought, since losing under $5 if it didn't work and the seller disappeared (by the way, which never happened - I had trouble with one license key and was issued an alternate) was no real loss.

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Re: Accessible Apps for Writers, Learning NVDA

Bob Cole
 

Thanks for this information!

You mentioned the European Union. I'm actually in California, USA. Did I join the wrong list? Is license recycling also legal here in the USA?

Thank you for the correction, too. I've been away from the PC / Laptop World for several years now.

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On Jun 18, 2019, at 10:56 AM, "Bob Cole via Groups.Io" <gmail.com@groups.io target=_blank>rkcole72984=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hello, everyone.

I hope it's all right that this is a two-part question.

I'm finally taking some steps to become a more in-depth screen reader user, and I have NVDA installed and ready on my laptop.

I'm trying to get back into writing because it is something I've always enjoyed. I can't afford Microsoft Office. Which free, and even open source apps are the most accessible for this purpose?

Also, where can I find beginner to advanced training materials to learn NVDA in-depth?

Thank you for your help!

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Re: Improving Latency and Heading Functionalities in Word Processors

Gene
 

SAPI is an API, that is, an application program interface.  It isn't a kind of synthesizer,  I'm saying that to eliminate possible confusion.  There are SAPI versions of a lot of voices, including Eloquence.  I would want a lot more information before concluding that the SAPI interface is slow in and of itself and that it isn't just this or that SAPI voice that is slow.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 9:46 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Improving Latency and Heading Functionalities in Word Processors

 Hello,
Which synthesiser are you using? One Core and Microsoft SAPI are much slower comparatively. I find Eloquence and Espeak the fastest. Also, where can I find gesture timing add-on?

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Re: Accessible Apps for Writers, Learning NVDA

 

Bob,

          First let me say that your presumption about the expense of Microsoft Office is incorrect these days if you're willing to purchase a recycled license.  Changes in law in the European Union resulted in Microsoft no longer being able to tie Office or Windows single-user licenses to a single specific machine.  So, as machines are being decommissioned a cottage industry has sprung up reselling the licenses from these machines, which is entirely legal.  I have installed Microsoft Office 2016 Pro Plus on six different computers using recycled licenses acquired via eBay, all of which cost $10 or less.  There are also licenses available for Office 365 as well.

           I believe one of our group regulars, Gene NZ, has a number of NVDA tutorials, for using it with Office and other things, on his website accessibilitycentral.net, specifically on this page:  http://accessibilitycentral.net/nvda%20tutorials.html.  Links to additional outside resources are also given on that page.

           NVAccess, the creator of NVDA, has multiple tutorials available from:  https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
There is definitely a book dedicated to MS-Word.

           

          
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Accessible Apps for Writers, Learning NVDA

Bob Cole
 

Hello, everyone.

I hope it's all right that this is a two-part question.

I'm finally taking some steps to become a more in-depth screen reader user, and I have NVDA installed and ready on my laptop.

I'm trying to get back into writing because it is something I've always enjoyed. I can't afford Microsoft Office. Which free, and even open source apps are the most accessible for this purpose?

Also, where can I find beginner to advanced training materials to learn NVDA in-depth?

Thank you for your help!

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Re: Alpine and Pico

 

Do one, the other, or both of these programs have installable versions in addition to portable versions?

If they do, the first thing to try is to install the installable version and see if it interacts (or doesn't interact) with NVDA in the same way.

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Alpine and Pico

Christopher Gray
 

Hi:

I use two fairly old pieces of software: the Alpine email client; the Pico text
editor. Unfortunately, I don't seem to be able to get this software to work
with NVDA. It only shows a blank screen for me.

Pico is particularly portable and I'm betting that the two programs have the
same screen issues since they were written by the same source. I haven't
attached it here but sending it via email should be very simple.

Is there a way I can try to diagnose this? Or, might somebody be willing to
look at this who knows more about thwat they are doing?

Many thanks.

Chris


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Re: Extra Talk

Howard Traxler <howard@...>
 

OK Roger, I was being a bit lazy.  Found it in the manual.  I'll see how it goes.


Thanks.

Howard

On 6/18/2019 10:38 AM, Roger Stewart wrote:
Open nvda menu, then preferences, settings, and then go down to Document Formatting. In there is the reporting of tables which you can check or uncheck. I would create a configuration profile for the particular application you want first and then go in and change the announcement of tables just for that program. This way, tables you might want to know about will still be announced. I've turned this off in Thunderbird as I was getting some table announcements that seemed meaningless to me. Tables are now not spoken in Thunderbird, but they are announced in other programs.
Hope this helps.
Roger












On 6/18/2019 9:46 AM, Howard Traxler wrote:
Hell oh anybody,

How does one turn off the voicing of tables, columns, and rows on a web site or e-mail?  I keep getting something that has tables with one row and one column.  No text in there.  But it keeps saying the table, row, column info with no real information.  I'd like to turn off those announcements and just hear nothing; if nothing is what's in there..


Thanks.


Howard







Re: Extra Talk

Howard Traxler <howard@...>
 

Thanks Roger, then, can you tell me the steps to make a configuration profile?  It should be simple, but I just can't remember.


Thanks.

Howard

On 6/18/2019 10:38 AM, Roger Stewart wrote:
Open nvda menu, then preferences, settings, and then go down to Document Formatting. In there is the reporting of tables which you can check or uncheck. I would create a configuration profile for the particular application you want first and then go in and change the announcement of tables just for that program. This way, tables you might want to know about will still be announced. I've turned this off in Thunderbird as I was getting some table announcements that seemed meaningless to me. Tables are now not spoken in Thunderbird, but they are announced in other programs.
Hope this helps.
Roger












On 6/18/2019 9:46 AM, Howard Traxler wrote:
Hell oh anybody,

How does one turn off the voicing of tables, columns, and rows on a web site or e-mail?  I keep getting something that has tables with one row and one column.  No text in there.  But it keeps saying the table, row, column info with no real information.  I'd like to turn off those announcements and just hear nothing; if nothing is what's in there..


Thanks.


Howard







Re: Extra Talk

Roger Stewart
 

Open nvda menu, then preferences, settings, and then go down to Document Formatting. In there is the reporting of tables which you can check or uncheck. I would create a configuration profile for the particular application you want first and then go in and change the announcement of tables just for that program. This way, tables you might want to know about will still be announced. I've turned this off in Thunderbird as I was getting some table announcements that seemed meaningless to me. Tables are now not spoken in Thunderbird, but they are announced in other programs.
Hope this helps.
Roger

On 6/18/2019 9:46 AM, Howard Traxler wrote:
Hell oh anybody,

How does one turn off the voicing of tables, columns, and rows on a web site or e-mail?  I keep getting something that has  tables with one row and one column.  No text in there.  But it keeps saying the table, row, column info with no real information.  I'd like to turn off those announcements and just hear nothing; if nothing is what's in there..


Thanks.


Howard




Re: Improving Latency and Heading Functionalities in Word Processors

Akshaya Choudhary
 

 Hello,
Which synthesiser are you using? One Core and Microsoft SAPI are much slower comparatively. I find Eloquence and Espeak the fastest. Also, where can I find gesture timing add-on?

Regards
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Sociohack


Extra Talk

Howard Traxler <howard@...>
 

Hell oh anybody,

How does one turn off the voicing of tables, columns, and rows on a web site or e-mail?  I keep getting something that has  tables with one row and one column.  No text in there.  But it keeps saying the table, row, column info with no real information.  I'd like to turn off those announcements and just hear nothing; if nothing is what's in there..


Thanks.


Howard


Re: Getting more voices for NvDA

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Bill,

Here's our page with info on extra voices: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/wiki/ExtraVoices

Note, if you are using Windows 10 and want extra Windows OneCore voices, the way to do it is to go into your Speech Settings and add voices there (you need to install languages and the speech pack for the language.  Many have variants through, so for English, you have British English, US English, Australian English, Canadian, Irish, South African etc.)

Regards

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Re: Getting more voices for NvDA

Gene
 

I forgot to give the link for the page.
 

Gene
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Sent: Monday, June 17, 2019 10:19 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Getting more voices for NvDA

I'm not sure just what you want.  There is a page on Github, that discusses a lot of voices.  The thing it didn't discuss when I looked a few months ago is the SAPI version of Eloquence you can buy.  It does discuss the Eloquence add-on, which offers another synthesizer as well.  But unless this has changed, the Eloquence that comes with it has a lot of annoying artifacts.  If you want Eloquence, ask here about the SAPI version.  You may want to try the add-on to see if it has been improved, it has or runs as a demo, I don't remember which, but if the Eloquence isn't satisfactory, you can ask and find out more about the SAPI version here.  It has a demo.
 
Gene
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Subject: [nvda] Adding voices to NVDa

Hi list.  Could somebody please give me the menu path where I can get
more voices for NVDA   Much appreciated.  Bill
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Re: Getting more voices for NvDA

Gene
 

I'm not sure just what you want.  There is a page on Github, that discusses a lot of voices.  The thing it didn't discuss when I looked a few months ago is the SAPI version of Eloquence you can buy.  It does discuss the Eloquence add-on, which offers another synthesizer as well.  But unless this has changed, the Eloquence that comes with it has a lot of annoying artifacts.  If you want Eloquence, ask here about the SAPI version.  You may want to try the add-on to see if it has been improved, it has or runs as a demo, I don't remember which, but if the Eloquence isn't satisfactory, you can ask and find out more about the SAPI version here.  It has a demo.
 
Gene

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Subject: [nvda] Adding voices to NVDa

Hi list.  Could somebody please give me the menu path where I can get
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Re: Improving Latency and Heading Functionalities in Word Processors

Cristóbal
 

I know as mainly a Jaws user, disabling hardware acceleration in Word/Outlook helps. Give that and
disable anything else having to do with animations and stuff a try.
For example.
Disable hardware graphics acceleration check box checked
Play animated GIFs check box not checked
I really don’t' use NVDA a lot while in a word processor setting so don't know if it's at all more or less resource hungry than Jaws per say, but as an overall rule, I try to cut down on as much visual stuff where I can.

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Subject: Re: [nvda] Improving Latency and Heading Functionalities in Word Processors

Try testing on a machine with a faster processor and more memory. I don't experience these delays, but my machine is a very fast laptop with 4 CPU cores (Intel Xeon), 32GB of memory and a large SSD connected via NVM-Express.

On 6/16/19, 21:32, "Bhavya shah" <nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of bhavya.shah125@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear all,

I am in a situation of importance with unique requirements, wherein I
basically need to use some form of a word processor to very quickly
type notes, edit them, move them around, and navigate efficiently
between different sections of the document. For this purpose, I have
tried two options - (i) Microsoft Word, and (ii) Wordpad
Pro of MS Word (version 2016): (1), ability to use headings
Con of MS Word: up to 0.3 seconds (measured using Gesture Timing
add-on) of latency in moving line by lines and up to 0.2 seconds of
latency when moving paragraph by paragraph
Pro of Wordpad: very responsive with an average of about 0.05 seconds
of latency in case of both line and paragraph navigation
Con of Wordpad: no feature of heading labelling and navigation by heading

The above minor differences in heading functionality and the slight
differences in latency may seem trivial and negligible for general
use, but my use case requires these characteristics. On ways to
address these, here are a few things I have done:
MS Word: I have disabled document formatting settings like pages,
tables, row/column headers and cell coordinates. Are there any other
document formatting settings whose disabling is known to cause a
reasonably significant improvement in latency? Also, just once, I
tried enabling the “Use UI Automation to access Microsoft Word
document controls when available” option (Advanced category setting in
NVDA) and which experience resulted in a lot of NVDA freezing and
hiccups, as a result of which experience I have not bothered playing
around with it anymore. Would it be advisable to retry this option in
case it is known to produce snappier responsiveness in Word 2016?
Wordpad: I do not believe I can somehow obtain heading functionality
in Wordpad, and even if I somehow do, I am unclear as to how I would
be able to use browse mode single letter navigation to quickly jump by
headings. The things to consider here then become if there may be
other lightweight word processors with less latency than Word and
heading labelling and navigation features.

I would greatly appreciate all your thoughts and inputs on the above.

Thanks.

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Getting more voices for NvDA

Bill and Marie Johnson
 

Hi list. Could somebody please give me the menu path where I can get more voices for NVDA Much appreciated. Bill
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Re: Improving Latency and Heading Functionalities in Word Processors

Jason White
 

Try testing on a machine with a faster processor and more memory. I don't experience these delays, but my machine is a very fast laptop with 4 CPU cores (Intel Xeon), 32GB of memory and a large SSD connected via NVM-Express.

On 6/16/19, 21:32, "Bhavya shah" <nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of bhavya.shah125@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear all,

I am in a situation of importance with unique requirements, wherein I
basically need to use some form of a word processor to very quickly
type notes, edit them, move them around, and navigate efficiently
between different sections of the document. For this purpose, I have
tried two options - (i) Microsoft Word, and (ii) Wordpad
Pro of MS Word (version 2016): (1), ability to use headings
Con of MS Word: up to 0.3 seconds (measured using Gesture Timing
add-on) of latency in moving line by lines and up to 0.2 seconds of
latency when moving paragraph by paragraph
Pro of Wordpad: very responsive with an average of about 0.05 seconds
of latency in case of both line and paragraph navigation
Con of Wordpad: no feature of heading labelling and navigation by heading

The above minor differences in heading functionality and the slight
differences in latency may seem trivial and negligible for general
use, but my use case requires these characteristics. On ways to
address these, here are a few things I have done:
MS Word: I have disabled document formatting settings like pages,
tables, row/column headers and cell coordinates. Are there any other
document formatting settings whose disabling is known to cause a
reasonably significant improvement in latency? Also, just once, I
tried enabling the “Use UI Automation to access Microsoft Word
document controls when available” option (Advanced category setting in
NVDA) and which experience resulted in a lot of NVDA freezing and
hiccups, as a result of which experience I have not bothered playing
around with it anymore. Would it be advisable to retry this option in
case it is known to produce snappier responsiveness in Word 2016?
Wordpad: I do not believe I can somehow obtain heading functionality
in Wordpad, and even if I somehow do, I am unclear as to how I would
be able to use browse mode single letter navigation to quickly jump by
headings. The things to consider here then become if there may be
other lightweight word processors with less latency than Word and
heading labelling and navigation features.

I would greatly appreciate all your thoughts and inputs on the above.

Thanks.

--
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Bhavya Shah

Blogger at Hiking Across Horizons: https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/
E-mail Address: bhavya.shah125@gmail.com
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bhavyashah125/


Re: Getting more voices for NvDA

Abbie Taylor <abbietaylor945@...>
 

To clarify, unless you want the Windows One-Core voices in a different language, you don't need to download them with earlier versions of NVDA. Simply go to Preferences, then Text-to-Speech, and Windows One-Core should be listed in the drop-down menu. I hope that helps.
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Re: Getting more voices for NvDA

Mohamed
 

Yes, as of 1903 you can go in to settings>time and language>speech, and an add voices button can be found there. From the resulting dialog you can download all available voice packages.

On 6/16/2019 12:17 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
The Windows 10 machine can definitely use the One Core voices.  Up through Version 1809 you have to download them as part of language packs.  I have been told that this will no longer be necessary as of Version 1903, but haven't played with that yet on my one machine that's got 1903 on it.

I haven't touched Windows 7 in years now, so I'm no help there.

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