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Re: Accessible Apps for Writers, Learning NVDA

JM Casey
 

Hi.

The last time I checked, for some reason, NVDA would not read the menu bars correctly in OpenOffice. It was kind of usable, but not that convenient. By contrast, Open Office writer at least works pretty great with the shark, but Libra seems to work best with nVDA.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: June 18, 2019 4:31 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Apps for Writers, Learning NVDA

 

How about open office. I have not used that app since 2010 on the mac, but will that also work? Will that work for pc users?

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On 18 Jun 2019, at 13:07, JM Casey wrote:

Libre Office may not have had as much accessibility focus as MS’s Office, but the writer application is certainly very usable with NVDA.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Cole
Sent: June 18, 2019 4:05 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Apps for Writers, Learning NVDA

 

Awesome! Thank you for that information!

I'm definitely going to check into that. As an extension  though, do you know if there are any other accessible applications for writers? I know of LibreOffice, but like I said, it's literally been years since I've been on the Windows side.

I've been a magnification user all of my life so far, what magnification it's really not an option for me when it comes to my laptop. It seems like my vision isn't as good as it used to be. So I'm trying to learn a new way of life.

I really appreciate all of your input.

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On Jun 18, 2019, at 12:51 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

Bob,

           The laws were changed in the EU, but the licenses can be resold to anyone, anywhere.  I was just trying to give a bit of the history of the relatively new recycled license market.

           There's one eBay seller at the moment who's got recycled Microsoft Office 2016 Pro Plus up for $1.90, and plenty more well under $10.  I gambled with a number of the ones I bought, since losing under $5 if it didn't work and the seller disappeared (by the way, which never happened - I had trouble with one license key and was issued an alternate) was no real loss.

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Re: Accessible Apps for Writers, Learning NVDA

Sarah k Alawami
 

How about open office. I have not used that app since 2010 on the mac, but will that also work? Will that work for pc users?

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For stuff we sell, mac training materials and  tutorials go here.
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On 18 Jun 2019, at 13:07, JM Casey wrote:

Libre Office may not have had as much accessibility focus as MS’s Office, but the writer application is certainly very usable with NVDA.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Cole
Sent: June 18, 2019 4:05 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Apps for Writers, Learning NVDA

 

Awesome! Thank you for that information!

I'm definitely going to check into that. As an extension  though, do you know if there are any other accessible applications for writers? I know of LibreOffice, but like I said, it's literally been years since I've been on the Windows side.

I've been a magnification user all of my life so far, what magnification it's really not an option for me when it comes to my laptop. It seems like my vision isn't as good as it used to be. So I'm trying to learn a new way of life.

I really appreciate all of your input.

Ambassador - Plexus Worldwide

On Jun 18, 2019, at 12:51 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

Bob,

           The laws were changed in the EU, but the licenses can be resold to anyone, anywhere.  I was just trying to give a bit of the history of the relatively new recycled license market.

           There's one eBay seller at the moment who's got recycled Microsoft Office 2016 Pro Plus up for $1.90, and plenty more well under $10.  I gambled with a number of the ones I bought, since losing under $5 if it didn't work and the seller disappeared (by the way, which never happened - I had trouble with one license key and was issued an alternate) was no real loss.

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Re: Getting more voices for NvDA

Cecelia Rodriguez <cessbraille@...>
 

I think you go to the tools section and go to where it says get more voices

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Re: Extra Talk

Cecelia Rodriguez <cessbraille@...>
 

You go into the NVDA menu.

On Jun 18, 2019, at 11:38 AM, Roger Stewart <paganus2@gmail.com> wrote:

Open nvda menu, then preferences, settings, and then go down to Document Formatting. In there is the reporting of tables which you can check or uncheck. I would create a configuration profile for the particular application you want first and then go in and change the announcement of tables just for that program. This way, tables you might want to know about will still be announced. I've turned this off in Thunderbird as I was getting some table announcements that seemed meaningless to me. Tables are now not spoken in Thunderbird, but they are announced in other programs.
Hope this helps.
Roger












On 6/18/2019 9:46 AM, Howard Traxler wrote:
Hell oh anybody,

How does one turn off the voicing of tables, columns, and rows on a web site or e-mail? I keep getting something that has tables with one row and one column. No text in there. But it keeps saying the table, row, column info with no real information. I'd like to turn off those announcements and just hear nothing; if nothing is what's in there..


Thanks.


Howard






Re: Accessible Apps for Writers, Learning NVDA

JM Casey
 

Libre Office may not have had as much accessibility focus as MS’s Office, but the writer application is certainly very usable with NVDA.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Cole
Sent: June 18, 2019 4:05 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Apps for Writers, Learning NVDA

 

Awesome! Thank you for that information!

I'm definitely going to check into that. As an extension  though, do you know if there are any other accessible applications for writers? I know of LibreOffice, but like I said, it's literally been years since I've been on the Windows side.

I've been a magnification user all of my life so far, what magnification it's really not an option for me when it comes to my laptop. It seems like my vision isn't as good as it used to be. So I'm trying to learn a new way of life.

I really appreciate all of your input.

Ambassador - Plexus Worldwide

On Jun 18, 2019, at 12:51 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

Bob,

           The laws were changed in the EU, but the licenses can be resold to anyone, anywhere.  I was just trying to give a bit of the history of the relatively new recycled license market.

           There's one eBay seller at the moment who's got recycled Microsoft Office 2016 Pro Plus up for $1.90, and plenty more well under $10.  I gambled with a number of the ones I bought, since losing under $5 if it didn't work and the seller disappeared (by the way, which never happened - I had trouble with one license key and was issued an alternate) was no real loss.

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Re: Accessible Apps for Writers, Learning NVDA

Bob Cole
 

Awesome! Thank you for that information!

I'm definitely going to check into that. As an extension  though, do you know if there are any other accessible applications for writers? I know of LibreOffice, but like I said, it's literally been years since I've been on the Windows side.

I've been a magnification user all of my life so far, what magnification it's really not an option for me when it comes to my laptop. It seems like my vision isn't as good as it used to be. So I'm trying to learn a new way of life.

I really appreciate all of your input.

Ambassador - Plexus Worldwide

On Jun 18, 2019, at 12:51 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
Bob,

           The laws were changed in the EU, but the licenses can be resold to anyone, anywhere.  I was just trying to give a bit of the history of the relatively new recycled license market.

           There's one eBay seller at the moment who's got recycled Microsoft Office 2016 Pro Plus up for $1.90, and plenty more well under $10.  I gambled with a number of the ones I bought, since losing under $5 if it didn't work and the seller disappeared (by the way, which never happened - I had trouble with one license key and was issued an alternate) was no real loss.

--

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Puritanism:  The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.

        ~ H.L. Mencken

 

 


Re: Accessible Apps for Writers, Learning NVDA

 

Bob,

           The laws were changed in the EU, but the licenses can be resold to anyone, anywhere.  I was just trying to give a bit of the history of the relatively new recycled license market.

           There's one eBay seller at the moment who's got recycled Microsoft Office 2016 Pro Plus up for $1.90, and plenty more well under $10.  I gambled with a number of the ones I bought, since losing under $5 if it didn't work and the seller disappeared (by the way, which never happened - I had trouble with one license key and was issued an alternate) was no real loss.

--

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Puritanism:  The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.

        ~ H.L. Mencken

 

 


Re: Accessible Apps for Writers, Learning NVDA

Bob Cole
 

Thanks for this information!

You mentioned the European Union. I'm actually in California, USA. Did I join the wrong list? Is license recycling also legal here in the USA?

Thank you for the correction, too. I've been away from the PC / Laptop World for several years now.

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On Jun 18, 2019, at 10:56 AM, "Bob Cole via Groups.Io" <gmail.com@groups.io target=_blank>rkcole72984=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hello, everyone.

I hope it's all right that this is a two-part question.

I'm finally taking some steps to become a more in-depth screen reader user, and I have NVDA installed and ready on my laptop.

I'm trying to get back into writing because it is something I've always enjoyed. I can't afford Microsoft Office. Which free, and even open source apps are the most accessible for this purpose?

Also, where can I find beginner to advanced training materials to learn NVDA in-depth?

Thank you for your help!

Ambassador - Plexus Worldwide


Re: Improving Latency and Heading Functionalities in Word Processors

Gene
 

SAPI is an API, that is, an application program interface.  It isn't a kind of synthesizer,  I'm saying that to eliminate possible confusion.  There are SAPI versions of a lot of voices, including Eloquence.  I would want a lot more information before concluding that the SAPI interface is slow in and of itself and that it isn't just this or that SAPI voice that is slow.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 9:46 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Improving Latency and Heading Functionalities in Word Processors

 Hello,
Which synthesiser are you using? One Core and Microsoft SAPI are much slower comparatively. I find Eloquence and Espeak the fastest. Also, where can I find gesture timing add-on?

Regards
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Re: Accessible Apps for Writers, Learning NVDA

 

Bob,

          First let me say that your presumption about the expense of Microsoft Office is incorrect these days if you're willing to purchase a recycled license.  Changes in law in the European Union resulted in Microsoft no longer being able to tie Office or Windows single-user licenses to a single specific machine.  So, as machines are being decommissioned a cottage industry has sprung up reselling the licenses from these machines, which is entirely legal.  I have installed Microsoft Office 2016 Pro Plus on six different computers using recycled licenses acquired via eBay, all of which cost $10 or less.  There are also licenses available for Office 365 as well.

           I believe one of our group regulars, Gene NZ, has a number of NVDA tutorials, for using it with Office and other things, on his website accessibilitycentral.net, specifically on this page:  http://accessibilitycentral.net/nvda%20tutorials.html.  Links to additional outside resources are also given on that page.

           NVAccess, the creator of NVDA, has multiple tutorials available from:  https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
There is definitely a book dedicated to MS-Word.

           

          
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Accessible Apps for Writers, Learning NVDA

Bob Cole
 

Hello, everyone.

I hope it's all right that this is a two-part question.

I'm finally taking some steps to become a more in-depth screen reader user, and I have NVDA installed and ready on my laptop.

I'm trying to get back into writing because it is something I've always enjoyed. I can't afford Microsoft Office. Which free, and even open source apps are the most accessible for this purpose?

Also, where can I find beginner to advanced training materials to learn NVDA in-depth?

Thank you for your help!

Ambassador - Plexus Worldwide


Re: Alpine and Pico

 

Do one, the other, or both of these programs have installable versions in addition to portable versions?

If they do, the first thing to try is to install the installable version and see if it interacts (or doesn't interact) with NVDA in the same way.

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Puritanism:  The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.

        ~ H.L. Mencken

 

 


Alpine and Pico

Christopher Gray
 

Hi:

I use two fairly old pieces of software: the Alpine email client; the Pico text
editor. Unfortunately, I don't seem to be able to get this software to work
with NVDA. It only shows a blank screen for me.

Pico is particularly portable and I'm betting that the two programs have the
same screen issues since they were written by the same source. I haven't
attached it here but sending it via email should be very simple.

Is there a way I can try to diagnose this? Or, might somebody be willing to
look at this who knows more about thwat they are doing?

Many thanks.

Chris


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Re: Extra Talk

Howard Traxler <howard@...>
 

OK Roger, I was being a bit lazy.  Found it in the manual.  I'll see how it goes.


Thanks.

Howard

On 6/18/2019 10:38 AM, Roger Stewart wrote:
Open nvda menu, then preferences, settings, and then go down to Document Formatting. In there is the reporting of tables which you can check or uncheck. I would create a configuration profile for the particular application you want first and then go in and change the announcement of tables just for that program. This way, tables you might want to know about will still be announced. I've turned this off in Thunderbird as I was getting some table announcements that seemed meaningless to me. Tables are now not spoken in Thunderbird, but they are announced in other programs.
Hope this helps.
Roger












On 6/18/2019 9:46 AM, Howard Traxler wrote:
Hell oh anybody,

How does one turn off the voicing of tables, columns, and rows on a web site or e-mail?  I keep getting something that has tables with one row and one column.  No text in there.  But it keeps saying the table, row, column info with no real information.  I'd like to turn off those announcements and just hear nothing; if nothing is what's in there..


Thanks.


Howard







Re: Extra Talk

Howard Traxler <howard@...>
 

Thanks Roger, then, can you tell me the steps to make a configuration profile?  It should be simple, but I just can't remember.


Thanks.

Howard

On 6/18/2019 10:38 AM, Roger Stewart wrote:
Open nvda menu, then preferences, settings, and then go down to Document Formatting. In there is the reporting of tables which you can check or uncheck. I would create a configuration profile for the particular application you want first and then go in and change the announcement of tables just for that program. This way, tables you might want to know about will still be announced. I've turned this off in Thunderbird as I was getting some table announcements that seemed meaningless to me. Tables are now not spoken in Thunderbird, but they are announced in other programs.
Hope this helps.
Roger












On 6/18/2019 9:46 AM, Howard Traxler wrote:
Hell oh anybody,

How does one turn off the voicing of tables, columns, and rows on a web site or e-mail?  I keep getting something that has tables with one row and one column.  No text in there.  But it keeps saying the table, row, column info with no real information.  I'd like to turn off those announcements and just hear nothing; if nothing is what's in there..


Thanks.


Howard







Re: Extra Talk

Roger Stewart
 

Open nvda menu, then preferences, settings, and then go down to Document Formatting. In there is the reporting of tables which you can check or uncheck. I would create a configuration profile for the particular application you want first and then go in and change the announcement of tables just for that program. This way, tables you might want to know about will still be announced. I've turned this off in Thunderbird as I was getting some table announcements that seemed meaningless to me. Tables are now not spoken in Thunderbird, but they are announced in other programs.
Hope this helps.
Roger

On 6/18/2019 9:46 AM, Howard Traxler wrote:
Hell oh anybody,

How does one turn off the voicing of tables, columns, and rows on a web site or e-mail?  I keep getting something that has  tables with one row and one column.  No text in there.  But it keeps saying the table, row, column info with no real information.  I'd like to turn off those announcements and just hear nothing; if nothing is what's in there..


Thanks.


Howard




Re: Improving Latency and Heading Functionalities in Word Processors

Akshaya Choudhary
 

 Hello,
Which synthesiser are you using? One Core and Microsoft SAPI are much slower comparatively. I find Eloquence and Espeak the fastest. Also, where can I find gesture timing add-on?

Regards
--
Regards,
Sociohack


Extra Talk

Howard Traxler <howard@...>
 

Hell oh anybody,

How does one turn off the voicing of tables, columns, and rows on a web site or e-mail?  I keep getting something that has  tables with one row and one column.  No text in there.  But it keeps saying the table, row, column info with no real information.  I'd like to turn off those announcements and just hear nothing; if nothing is what's in there..


Thanks.


Howard


Re: Getting more voices for NvDA

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Bill,

Here's our page with info on extra voices: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/wiki/ExtraVoices

Note, if you are using Windows 10 and want extra Windows OneCore voices, the way to do it is to go into your Speech Settings and add voices there (you need to install languages and the speech pack for the language.  Many have variants through, so for English, you have British English, US English, Australian English, Canadian, Irish, South African etc.)

Regards

Quentin.

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Hi list.  Could somebody please give me the menu path where I can get
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Re: Getting more voices for NvDA

Gene
 

I forgot to give the link for the page.
 

Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2019 10:19 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Getting more voices for NvDA

I'm not sure just what you want.  There is a page on Github, that discusses a lot of voices.  The thing it didn't discuss when I looked a few months ago is the SAPI version of Eloquence you can buy.  It does discuss the Eloquence add-on, which offers another synthesizer as well.  But unless this has changed, the Eloquence that comes with it has a lot of annoying artifacts.  If you want Eloquence, ask here about the SAPI version.  You may want to try the add-on to see if it has been improved, it has or runs as a demo, I don't remember which, but if the Eloquence isn't satisfactory, you can ask and find out more about the SAPI version here.  It has a demo.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2019 6:38 PM
Subject: [nvda] Adding voices to NVDa

Hi list.  Could somebody please give me the menu path where I can get
more voices for NVDA   Much appreciated.  Bill
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