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Question about NVDA Beta Version

 

Hi,
I'm thinking about going back to the NVDA Beta Version. Currently, I'm on the "official" channel.

Before I can think more about it I have a question.
I was reading this edition of NVDA In Process and I just noticed something that I haven't noticed before.
If you install the beta version, when the final NVDA 2019.2 comes out, it will update to that version automatically. In the lead up to NVDA 2019.3, you will need to manually download a new beta once one is released, if you wish.
Does it mean then that starting with NVDA Beta 2019.3 I won't get automatic updates anymore?

Sorry for asking it now but I really haven't noticed this detail before and today the question just came up.

I'll love to be an NVDA Beta user again :) just don't feel like downloading a new version all the time. It would be way better if it could update by itself as it is with all the other versions.

Cheers,
Marcio AKA Starboy

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NV Access' New video featured in this week's In-Process

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi everyone,

We have a new video: "What is NVDA?".  News on the video and a link to watch it, the call for topics for the upcoming NVDACon, and a detailed walkthrough of creating an issue on the NV Access GitHub page, are all in this week's In-Process:


Regards

Quentin.
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Elements not being reported with NVDA

 

Hi,
STR:
  1. Take a look at this article.
  2. Note that in every link, NVDA just reports "(opens in a new tab").
  3. However, looking at the source code, we can seethe real link with its description.
What's preventing NVDA from reporting the description apparently is an HTML tag. I searched a bit and could understand it but not enough for explain it here, so I'll just give an example.

Look at this part of the article:
We can show you how to (opens in a new tab).

Now its source code:

We can show you how to <a href="https://helpdeskgeek.com/how-to/run-chkdsk-utility-xp/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener" aria-label=" (opens in a new tab)">fix file system errors in Windows with CHKDSK</a>. </p>

In light of this, is there any workaround so that NVDA reports the description inside a <a href> tag apart from resorting to the source code of the page?

Finally, maybe this is something that can be fixed in an NVDA update altogether?

Sorry for the long message, but I needed to explain the entire story  before asking my question.

Cheers,
Marcio AKA Starboy

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Re: strange thing in Nvda

Gene
 

If you are using Chrome, that appears to be an announcement chrome generates, unlrelated to NVDA's read progress bar functions. 
 
I don't know if it can be stopped.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 3:02 AM
Subject: [nvda] strange thing in Nvda

Hello everyone,
I found that when downloading large files, Nvda reports to me how much
percent has been downloaded, although I have set it to only beep.
Don't know, please, where can the error be?

--
Jarek




strange thing in Nvda

Jarek.Krcmar
 

Hello everyone,
I found that when downloading large files, Nvda reports to me how much percent has been downloaded, although I have set it to only beep.
Don't know, please, where can the error be?

--
Jarek


Re: Accessible Apps for Writers, Learning NVDA

Brian Moore
 

Hi.  I rarely use the spell check function in word but rather have the option turned on to identify misspellings as I type.  Wtih nvda, if I type a word which is not in the dictionary, I hear a sound from nvda.


If I am not sure how to spell the word in question, I can press the application key to get a list of suggestions.


It is also entierly possible to use the actual spell checker in word with nvda if you prefer that method.


I am using office 365 but unless you are on a really old version of word, this shouldn't matter much as this functionality hasn't changed in a long time.


If you really want to learn a lot about nvda, the training materials available for purchase from the nvda online store are well worth the money.


Happy to elaborate on any of this privately.


Brian.


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On 6/18/2019 11:17 PM, Kendra Schafer wrote:

Hi all! I'm also trying to learn about NVDA. I'm hunting all over the map for efficent ways to check spelling with NVDA and Word on my Dell Pc laptop computer. I'm not having any luck. Does anyone know if there is any efficent way to check spelling with NVDA? Also, I saw your link for Pro Writer. I have never heard of it heard of it before. What is Pro Writer?     


Thank  you for taking the time to read this Email!
Blessed be!!!
Kendra Schaber
Chemeketa Community College,
350 Org,
Citizen’s Climate Lobby,
National Federation of the Blind of Oregon,
Capitol Chapter,
Salem, Oregon.
Home Email:
Chemeketa Community College Email:
Phone:
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of Quentin Christensen <quentin@...>
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 16:52
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Apps for Writers, Learning NVDA
 
Hi Bob,

As well as Brian's suggestion re recycled Office licenses, for word processing, Jarte is a popular free option (there is a paid version with more features for $20): http://www.jarte.com/index.html

Open Office and Libre Office are free, open source Office Suites.  I think from memory NVDA works better with Libre Office, although not as well as Microsoft Office.

Depending on your writing and how you want to check for errors, ProWritingAid is a checker, similar to Grammarly which goes beyond the spelling and grammar checker in Word.  ProWritingAid has an accessible interface here: https://prowritingaid.com/en/Analysis/Editor?screenReaderFriendly=true

And finally beginner to advanced training materials for NVDA can be found in the NV Access shop.  I'd recommend starting with the "Basic Training for NVDA", which you can get in various formats either on its own, or in the "NVDA Productivity Bundle" which includes training material for Microsoft Office programs (worthwhile if you do get Microsoft Office rather than one of the other options) as well as telephone support: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 3:56 AM Bob Cole <rkcole72984@...> wrote:
Hello, everyone.

I hope it's all right that this is a two-part question.

I'm finally taking some steps to become a more in-depth screen reader user, and I have NVDA installed and ready on my laptop.

I'm trying to get back into writing because it is something I've always enjoyed. I can't afford Microsoft Office. Which free, and even open source apps are the most accessible for this purpose?

Also, where can I find beginner to advanced training materials to learn NVDA in-depth?

Thank you for your help!

Ambassador - Plexus Worldwide


--
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Training and Support Manager

NVDA 2019.2beta1 now available!


Re: Accessible Apps for Writers, Learning NVDA

Kendra Schaber <kschaber@...>
 

Hi all! Since I'm exploring writing and environmental science anyway, I'll have to check out that Pro Writer app. I think it could help me look over my own work. I'm suposed to take college writing in the fall, in addision to spell check, this other tool could also help me with my editing. You gave a good example of good editing power with that gramar tool. I'd love to find out just what it thinks of my overall accademic writing skills. 


Thank you for taking the time to read this Email!
Blessed be!!!
Kendra Schaber
Chemeketa Community College,
350 Org,
Citizen’s Climate Lobby,
National Federation of the Blind of Oregon,
Capitol Chapter,
Salem, Oregon.
Home Email:
Redwing731@...
Chemeketa Community College Email:
Kschaber@...
Phone:
971-599-9991
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of Quentin Christensen <quentin@...>
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 21:40
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Apps for Writers, Learning NVDA
 
I'm not sure how spell check in Word with Jaws works - if you are using the Word function and its keystrokes, then the process should be the same with NVDA.  If Jaws has its own method (probably using the Jaws key) then it will be different.

The process also differs depending on which version of Word you are using.  Word 365 works quite well.  Word 2013 and 2016 can be done, but getting to things like the definitions of the suggested words is not as straight forward.

I'd recommend the Microsoft Word for NVDA training module which covers most of the ways of spell checking in various versions of Word.  You can either purchase it individually or as part of the NVDA Productivity Bundle (which includes the other training modules and telephone support): https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Re ProWritingAid, it is more a really powerful grammar checker.  Throwing the above paragraph into it, For writing style, it noted:
1 adverb found outside dialogue. Use adverbs sparingly in your writing,

For sentence length, it remonstrated:
Avg Sentence Length (26.0) target 11 to 18
Sentence variety 1.1 target over 3

It also complained about diction, but otherwise seemed happy with my effort.

On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 2:29 PM Kendra Schaber <kschaber@...> wrote:
Hi all! I'm looking for the most efficent way to correct miss spelled words in a word document. I know that in JAWS, when one goes to correct miss spelled words in a word document, one can get the list of suggestions, pick there suggession, and then correct the spelling error. Also, the word in question is also spoken. I'm looking for a simular way to fix spelling while using NVDA. Does one even exist? Also, what's Pro Writer? I've never heard of it before. Would that benefit me better than the Word spell checker with NVDA?  

Thank you for taking the time to read this Email!
Blessed be!!!
Kendra Schaber
Chemeketa Community College,
350 Org,
Citizen’s Climate Lobby,
National Federation of the Blind of Oregon,
Capitol Chapter,
Salem, Oregon.
Home Email:
Chemeketa Community College Email:
Phone:
971-599-9991
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SE.
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of Gene <gsasner@...>
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 20:28
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Apps for Writers, Learning NVDA
 
Do you know how to do things like spell the current word and move by character in a document?  What exactly are you asking about.  Are you asking how to use the spell checker or how to spell when moving through or reading a document.  At present, the question is ambiguous. 
 
For example, do you want to know how to check the spelling of a word in the suggestions list?  If you tell us specifically what you want to know, you will get better help.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 10:17 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Apps for Writers, Learning NVDA
 
Hi all! I'm also trying to learn about NVDA. I'm hunting all over the map for efficent ways to check spelling with NVDA and Word on my Dell Pc laptop computer. I'm not having any luck. Does anyone know if there is any efficent way to check spelling with NVDA? Also, I saw your link for Pro Writer. I have never heard of it heard of it before. What is Pro Writer?    
 
 
Thank  you for taking the time to read this Email!
Blessed be!!!
Kendra Schaber
Chemeketa Community College,
350 Org,
Citizen’s Climate Lobby,
National Federation of the Blind of Oregon,
Capitol Chapter,
Salem, Oregon.
Home Email:
Chemeketa Community College Email:
Phone:
971-599-9991
“When the student is ready, the teacher  will appear”, Author unknown.
SE.
Sent from my Gmail Email
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of Quentin Christensen <quentin@...>
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 16:52
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Apps for Writers, Learning NVDA
 
Hi Bob,
 
As well as Brian's suggestion re recycled Office licenses, for word processing, Jarte is a popular free option (there is a paid version with more features for $20): http://www.jarte.com/index.html
 
Open Office and Libre Office are free, open source Office Suites.  I think from memory NVDA works better with Libre Office, although not as well as Microsoft Office.
 
Depending on your writing and how you want to check for errors, ProWritingAid is a checker, similar to Grammarly which goes beyond the spelling and grammar checker in Word.  ProWritingAid has an accessible interface here: https://prowritingaid.com/en/Analysis/Editor?screenReaderFriendly=true
 
And finally beginner to advanced training materials for NVDA can be found in the NV Access shop.  I'd recommend starting with the "Basic Training for NVDA", which you can get in various formats either on its own, or in the "NVDA Productivity Bundle" which includes training material for Microsoft Office programs (worthwhile if you do get Microsoft Office rather than one of the other options) as well as telephone support: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
 
Kind regards
 
Quentin.
 
On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 3:56 AM Bob Cole <rkcole72984@...> wrote:
Hello, everyone.
 
I hope it's all right that this is a two-part question.

I'm finally taking some steps to become a more in-depth screen reader user, and I have NVDA installed and ready on my laptop.

I'm trying to get back into writing because it is something I've always enjoyed. I can't afford Microsoft Office. Which free, and even open source apps are the most accessible for this purpose?

Also, where can I find beginner to advanced training materials to learn NVDA in-depth?

Thank you for your help!

Ambassador - Plexus Worldwide
 
 
--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

NVDA 2019.2beta1 now available!



--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

NVDA 2019.2beta1 now available!


Re: Accessible Apps for Writers, Learning NVDA

Quentin Christensen
 

I'm not sure how spell check in Word with Jaws works - if you are using the Word function and its keystrokes, then the process should be the same with NVDA.  If Jaws has its own method (probably using the Jaws key) then it will be different.

The process also differs depending on which version of Word you are using.  Word 365 works quite well.  Word 2013 and 2016 can be done, but getting to things like the definitions of the suggested words is not as straight forward.

I'd recommend the Microsoft Word for NVDA training module which covers most of the ways of spell checking in various versions of Word.  You can either purchase it individually or as part of the NVDA Productivity Bundle (which includes the other training modules and telephone support): https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Re ProWritingAid, it is more a really powerful grammar checker.  Throwing the above paragraph into it, For writing style, it noted:
1 adverb found outside dialogue. Use adverbs sparingly in your writing,

For sentence length, it remonstrated:
Avg Sentence Length (26.0) target 11 to 18
Sentence variety 1.1 target over 3

It also complained about diction, but otherwise seemed happy with my effort.


On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 2:29 PM Kendra Schaber <kschaber@...> wrote:
Hi all! I'm looking for the most efficent way to correct miss spelled words in a word document. I know that in JAWS, when one goes to correct miss spelled words in a word document, one can get the list of suggestions, pick there suggession, and then correct the spelling error. Also, the word in question is also spoken. I'm looking for a simular way to fix spelling while using NVDA. Does one even exist? Also, what's Pro Writer? I've never heard of it before. Would that benefit me better than the Word spell checker with NVDA?  

Thank you for taking the time to read this Email!
Blessed be!!!
Kendra Schaber
Chemeketa Community College,
350 Org,
Citizen’s Climate Lobby,
National Federation of the Blind of Oregon,
Capitol Chapter,
Salem, Oregon.
Home Email:
Chemeketa Community College Email:
Phone:
971-599-9991
“When the student is ready, the teacher will appear”, Author unknown.
SE.
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of Gene <gsasner@...>
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 20:28
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Apps for Writers, Learning NVDA
 
Do you know how to do things like spell the current word and move by character in a document?  What exactly are you asking about.  Are you asking how to use the spell checker or how to spell when moving through or reading a document.  At present, the question is ambiguous. 
 
For example, do you want to know how to check the spelling of a word in the suggestions list?  If you tell us specifically what you want to know, you will get better help.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 10:17 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Apps for Writers, Learning NVDA
 
Hi all! I'm also trying to learn about NVDA. I'm hunting all over the map for efficent ways to check spelling with NVDA and Word on my Dell Pc laptop computer. I'm not having any luck. Does anyone know if there is any efficent way to check spelling with NVDA? Also, I saw your link for Pro Writer. I have never heard of it heard of it before. What is Pro Writer?    
 
 
Thank  you for taking the time to read this Email!
Blessed be!!!
Kendra Schaber
Chemeketa Community College,
350 Org,
Citizen’s Climate Lobby,
National Federation of the Blind of Oregon,
Capitol Chapter,
Salem, Oregon.
Home Email:
Chemeketa Community College Email:
Phone:
971-599-9991
“When the student is ready, the teacher  will appear”, Author unknown.
SE.
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of Quentin Christensen <quentin@...>
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 16:52
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Apps for Writers, Learning NVDA
 
Hi Bob,
 
As well as Brian's suggestion re recycled Office licenses, for word processing, Jarte is a popular free option (there is a paid version with more features for $20): http://www.jarte.com/index.html
 
Open Office and Libre Office are free, open source Office Suites.  I think from memory NVDA works better with Libre Office, although not as well as Microsoft Office.
 
Depending on your writing and how you want to check for errors, ProWritingAid is a checker, similar to Grammarly which goes beyond the spelling and grammar checker in Word.  ProWritingAid has an accessible interface here: https://prowritingaid.com/en/Analysis/Editor?screenReaderFriendly=true
 
And finally beginner to advanced training materials for NVDA can be found in the NV Access shop.  I'd recommend starting with the "Basic Training for NVDA", which you can get in various formats either on its own, or in the "NVDA Productivity Bundle" which includes training material for Microsoft Office programs (worthwhile if you do get Microsoft Office rather than one of the other options) as well as telephone support: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
 
Kind regards
 
Quentin.
 
On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 3:56 AM Bob Cole <rkcole72984@...> wrote:
Hello, everyone.
 
I hope it's all right that this is a two-part question.

I'm finally taking some steps to become a more in-depth screen reader user, and I have NVDA installed and ready on my laptop.

I'm trying to get back into writing because it is something I've always enjoyed. I can't afford Microsoft Office. Which free, and even open source apps are the most accessible for this purpose?

Also, where can I find beginner to advanced training materials to learn NVDA in-depth?

Thank you for your help!

Ambassador - Plexus Worldwide
 
 
--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

NVDA 2019.2beta1 now available!



--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

NVDA 2019.2beta1 now available!


Re: Accessible Apps for Writers, Learning NVDA

Kendra Schaber <kschaber@...>
 

Hi all! I'm looking for the most efficent way to correct miss spelled words in a word document. I know that in JAWS, when one goes to correct miss spelled words in a word document, one can get the list of suggestions, pick there suggession, and then correct the spelling error. Also, the word in question is also spoken. I'm looking for a simular way to fix spelling while using NVDA. Does one even exist? Also, what's Pro Writer? I've never heard of it before. Would that benefit me better than the Word spell checker with NVDA?  

Thank you for taking the time to read this Email!
Blessed be!!!
Kendra Schaber
Chemeketa Community College,
350 Org,
Citizen’s Climate Lobby,
National Federation of the Blind of Oregon,
Capitol Chapter,
Salem, Oregon.
Home Email:
Redwing731@...
Chemeketa Community College Email:
Kschaber@...
Phone:
971-599-9991
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of Gene <gsasner@...>
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 20:28
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Apps for Writers, Learning NVDA
 
Do you know how to do things like spell the current word and move by character in a document?  What exactly are you asking about.  Are you asking how to use the spell checker or how to spell when moving through or reading a document.  At present, the question is ambiguous. 
 
For example, do you want to know how to check the spelling of a word in the suggestions list?  If you tell us specifically what you want to know, you will get better help.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 10:17 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Apps for Writers, Learning NVDA
 
Hi all! I'm also trying to learn about NVDA. I'm hunting all over the map for efficent ways to check spelling with NVDA and Word on my Dell Pc laptop computer. I'm not having any luck. Does anyone know if there is any efficent way to check spelling with NVDA? Also, I saw your link for Pro Writer. I have never heard of it heard of it before. What is Pro Writer?    
 
 
Thank  you for taking the time to read this Email!
Blessed be!!!
Kendra Schaber
Chemeketa Community College,
350 Org,
Citizen’s Climate Lobby,
National Federation of the Blind of Oregon,
Capitol Chapter,
Salem, Oregon.
Home Email:
Redwing731@...
Chemeketa Community College Email:
Kschaber@...
Phone:
971-599-9991
“When the student is ready, the teacher  will appear”, Author unknown.
SE.
Sent from my Gmail Email
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of Quentin Christensen <quentin@...>
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 16:52
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Apps for Writers, Learning NVDA
 
Hi Bob,
 
As well as Brian's suggestion re recycled Office licenses, for word processing, Jarte is a popular free option (there is a paid version with more features for $20): http://www.jarte.com/index.html
 
Open Office and Libre Office are free, open source Office Suites.  I think from memory NVDA works better with Libre Office, although not as well as Microsoft Office.
 
Depending on your writing and how you want to check for errors, ProWritingAid is a checker, similar to Grammarly which goes beyond the spelling and grammar checker in Word.  ProWritingAid has an accessible interface here: https://prowritingaid.com/en/Analysis/Editor?screenReaderFriendly=true
 
And finally beginner to advanced training materials for NVDA can be found in the NV Access shop.  I'd recommend starting with the "Basic Training for NVDA", which you can get in various formats either on its own, or in the "NVDA Productivity Bundle" which includes training material for Microsoft Office programs (worthwhile if you do get Microsoft Office rather than one of the other options) as well as telephone support: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
 
Kind regards
 
Quentin.
 
On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 3:56 AM Bob Cole <rkcole72984@...> wrote:
Hello, everyone.
 
I hope it's all right that this is a two-part question.

I'm finally taking some steps to become a more in-depth screen reader user, and I have NVDA installed and ready on my laptop.

I'm trying to get back into writing because it is something I've always enjoyed. I can't afford Microsoft Office. Which free, and even open source apps are the most accessible for this purpose?

Also, where can I find beginner to advanced training materials to learn NVDA in-depth?

Thank you for your help!

Ambassador - Plexus Worldwide
 
 
--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

NVDA 2019.2beta1 now available!


Re: Alpine and Pico

Luke Davis
 

On Tue, 18 Jun 2019, Christopher Gray wrote:

I use two fairly old pieces of software: the Alpine email client; the Pico text
editor. Unfortunately, I don't seem to be able to get this software to work
with NVDA. It only shows a blank screen for me.
Firstly, please clarify: are you using these by installing them on your windows machine, or using them by remote connection (ssh, telnet, etc.) to some Linux/FreeBSD/similar machine?
There is even some kind of web version of alpine that you might be using.

I use alpine every day, and nano which is a more advanced version of the really ancient pico that you are talking about, but not their windows versions.

If you are using versions of these installed on your windows system, can you tell us where you are getting them (with exact download links if possible), so we can test out the exact software you are using?

Pico is particularly portable and I'm betting that the two programs have the
same screen issues since they were written by the same source. I haven't
I'm not sure what you mean by portable in this context, unless you are just talking about the fact that it's a single executable. If that is what you mean, I suggest you don't be sending that to anyone. Who knows what viruses/worms your computer might have, and many email providers (gmail, for example) won't let you send executables anyway.
better to provide download links as I suggested above.

Luke


Re: Accessible Apps for Writers, Learning NVDA

Gene
 

Do you know how to do things like spell the current word and move by character in a document?  What exactly are you asking about.  Are you asking how to use the spell checker or how to spell when moving through or reading a document.  At present, the question is ambiguous. 
 
For example, do you want to know how to check the spelling of a word in the suggestions list?  If you tell us specifically what you want to know, you will get better help.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 10:17 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Apps for Writers, Learning NVDA
 
Hi all! I'm also trying to learn about NVDA. I'm hunting all over the map for efficent ways to check spelling with NVDA and Word on my Dell Pc laptop computer. I'm not having any luck. Does anyone know if there is any efficent way to check spelling with NVDA? Also, I saw your link for Pro Writer. I have never heard of it heard of it before. What is Pro Writer?    
 
 
Thank  you for taking the time to read this Email!
Blessed be!!!
Kendra Schaber
Chemeketa Community College,
350 Org,
Citizen’s Climate Lobby,
National Federation of the Blind of Oregon,
Capitol Chapter,
Salem, Oregon.
Home Email:
Redwing731@...
Chemeketa Community College Email:
Kschaber@...
Phone:
971-599-9991
“When the student is ready, the teacher  will appear”, Author unknown.
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of Quentin Christensen <quentin@...>
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 16:52
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Apps for Writers, Learning NVDA
 
Hi Bob,
 
As well as Brian's suggestion re recycled Office licenses, for word processing, Jarte is a popular free option (there is a paid version with more features for $20): http://www.jarte.com/index.html
 
Open Office and Libre Office are free, open source Office Suites.  I think from memory NVDA works better with Libre Office, although not as well as Microsoft Office.
 
Depending on your writing and how you want to check for errors, ProWritingAid is a checker, similar to Grammarly which goes beyond the spelling and grammar checker in Word.  ProWritingAid has an accessible interface here: https://prowritingaid.com/en/Analysis/Editor?screenReaderFriendly=true
 
And finally beginner to advanced training materials for NVDA can be found in the NV Access shop.  I'd recommend starting with the "Basic Training for NVDA", which you can get in various formats either on its own, or in the "NVDA Productivity Bundle" which includes training material for Microsoft Office programs (worthwhile if you do get Microsoft Office rather than one of the other options) as well as telephone support: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
 
Kind regards
 
Quentin.
 
On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 3:56 AM Bob Cole <rkcole72984@...> wrote:
Hello, everyone.
 
I hope it's all right that this is a two-part question.

I'm finally taking some steps to become a more in-depth screen reader user, and I have NVDA installed and ready on my laptop.

I'm trying to get back into writing because it is something I've always enjoyed. I can't afford Microsoft Office. Which free, and even open source apps are the most accessible for this purpose?

Also, where can I find beginner to advanced training materials to learn NVDA in-depth?

Thank you for your help!

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Re: Accessible Apps for Writers, Learning NVDA

Kendra Schafer <redwing731@...>
 

Hi all! I'm also trying to learn about NVDA. I'm hunting all over the map for efficent ways to check spelling with NVDA and Word on my Dell Pc laptop computer. I'm not having any luck. Does anyone know if there is any efficent way to check spelling with NVDA? Also, I saw your link for Pro Writer. I have never heard of it heard of it before. What is Pro Writer?     


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Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 16:52
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Apps for Writers, Learning NVDA
 
Hi Bob,

As well as Brian's suggestion re recycled Office licenses, for word processing, Jarte is a popular free option (there is a paid version with more features for $20): http://www.jarte.com/index.html

Open Office and Libre Office are free, open source Office Suites.  I think from memory NVDA works better with Libre Office, although not as well as Microsoft Office.

Depending on your writing and how you want to check for errors, ProWritingAid is a checker, similar to Grammarly which goes beyond the spelling and grammar checker in Word.  ProWritingAid has an accessible interface here: https://prowritingaid.com/en/Analysis/Editor?screenReaderFriendly=true

And finally beginner to advanced training materials for NVDA can be found in the NV Access shop.  I'd recommend starting with the "Basic Training for NVDA", which you can get in various formats either on its own, or in the "NVDA Productivity Bundle" which includes training material for Microsoft Office programs (worthwhile if you do get Microsoft Office rather than one of the other options) as well as telephone support: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 3:56 AM Bob Cole <rkcole72984@...> wrote:
Hello, everyone.

I hope it's all right that this is a two-part question.

I'm finally taking some steps to become a more in-depth screen reader user, and I have NVDA installed and ready on my laptop.

I'm trying to get back into writing because it is something I've always enjoyed. I can't afford Microsoft Office. Which free, and even open source apps are the most accessible for this purpose?

Also, where can I find beginner to advanced training materials to learn NVDA in-depth?

Thank you for your help!

Ambassador - Plexus Worldwide



--
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Training and Support Manager

NVDA 2019.2beta1 now available!


Re: Accessible Apps for Writers, Learning NVDA

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Bob,

As well as Brian's suggestion re recycled Office licenses, for word processing, Jarte is a popular free option (there is a paid version with more features for $20): http://www.jarte.com/index.html

Open Office and Libre Office are free, open source Office Suites.  I think from memory NVDA works better with Libre Office, although not as well as Microsoft Office.

Depending on your writing and how you want to check for errors, ProWritingAid is a checker, similar to Grammarly which goes beyond the spelling and grammar checker in Word.  ProWritingAid has an accessible interface here: https://prowritingaid.com/en/Analysis/Editor?screenReaderFriendly=true

And finally beginner to advanced training materials for NVDA can be found in the NV Access shop.  I'd recommend starting with the "Basic Training for NVDA", which you can get in various formats either on its own, or in the "NVDA Productivity Bundle" which includes training material for Microsoft Office programs (worthwhile if you do get Microsoft Office rather than one of the other options) as well as telephone support: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 3:56 AM Bob Cole <rkcole72984@...> wrote:
Hello, everyone.

I hope it's all right that this is a two-part question.

I'm finally taking some steps to become a more in-depth screen reader user, and I have NVDA installed and ready on my laptop.

I'm trying to get back into writing because it is something I've always enjoyed. I can't afford Microsoft Office. Which free, and even open source apps are the most accessible for this purpose?

Also, where can I find beginner to advanced training materials to learn NVDA in-depth?

Thank you for your help!

Ambassador - Plexus Worldwide



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Training and Support Manager

NVDA 2019.2beta1 now available!


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Re: Accessible Apps for Writers, Learning NVDA

 

On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 06:13 PM, Luke Davis wrote:
Do you want help using NVDA with the spell check feature of a particular program? If so, what is the program (word processor) that you're using?
Luke, the following is not "aimed at you," but your comment provides a perfect opportunity for a reminder.

It is presumed that everyone reading this group, with the exception of myself, will be using NVDA with whatever other programs they happen to need it to gain access to.  That, in and of itself, does not make a question about using NVDA.  You can know perfectly well how to use NVDA but not know where in the heck a feature of a given program is or how it's accessed.  

If the question is about the spell check feature it's far more likely than not about only that, not confusion about how to control NVDA to get to it.  If that's the case, the discussion belongs on the Chat Subgroup, not the main NVDA group.  Only those who are already members of the NVDA main group may join the chat subgroup.  The idea is to keep discussion of stuff not really about NVDA, but about anything else, out of the main group.

The most recent version of the NVDA Group Welcome Message/Group Rules, includes the following:

Before choosing where to post, please ask yourself the question, “Is what I’m about to ask directly related to controlling or using NVDA, or whether a specific program is accessible with NVDA?”  If that can be answered, “Yes,” then post to the NVDA Group, and if the answer is, “No,” then the topic belongs in the NVDA Chat Subgroup.

That's exactly what members should be doing.  And, again, for reference, the Chat Subgroup addresses are:

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Re: Accessible Apps for Writers, Learning NVDA

JM Casey
 

I haven't had this happen to me and OO (Windows 10, 1803), but admittedly
have never tried to print a thing with this software.
Hell, just download Open and Libre office, and decide which you like better.
They're very close to being the same thing, for all intents and purposes.

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Luke Davis
Sent: June 18, 2019 6:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Apps for Writers, Learning NVDA

Open Office does work, I have been using it for years until I bought a
recycled license for MS office a couple months ago, as Brian described.
However, I have found recent versions of Open Office Writer to do a lot of
freezing up and crashing. I have never been able to figure out if it is an
NVDA issue or just that OOo doesn't like Windows 10, but I never had such
problems in Vista, 7, or 8.1, or even very early versions of windows 10,
with various versions of NVDA and Open Office.
It seems to happen after printing, or after an auto-save.

So I really can't recommend it if there are alternatives available.

Luke


On Tue, 18 Jun 2019, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

How about open office. I have not used that app since 2010 on the mac, but
will that also work? Will that work for pc users?


Re: Accessible Apps for Writers, Learning NVDA

Luke Davis
 

More efficient than what? We can't tell you if there is a better way of doing something, if we don't know what your current method is.

Do you want help using NVDA with the spell check feature of a particular program? If so, what is the program (word processor) that you're using?

Luke

On Tue, 18 Jun 2019, Kendra Schaber wrote:

Hi all! I am also trying to learn NVDA. I'm having trouble trying to find a more efficent way to check my spelling. Does anyone know if there is a better
way to check spelling with NVDA?


Re: Accessible Apps for Writers, Learning NVDA

Luke Davis
 

Open Office does work, I have been using it for years until I bought a recycled license for MS office a couple months ago, as Brian described. However, I have found recent versions of Open Office Writer to do a lot of freezing up and crashing. I have never been able to figure out if it is an NVDA issue or just that OOo doesn't like Windows 10, but I never had such problems in Vista, 7, or 8.1, or even very early versions of windows 10, with various versions of NVDA and Open Office.
It seems to happen after printing, or after an auto-save.

So I really can't recommend it if there are alternatives available.

Luke

On Tue, 18 Jun 2019, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

How about open office. I have not used that app since 2010 on the mac, but will that also work? Will that work for pc users?


Re: Accessible Apps for Writers, Learning NVDA

 

On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 05:38 PM, Kendra Schaber wrote:
Does anyone know if there is a better way to check spelling with NVDA? 
Spell checking is generally a function of the word processor (or other) program you're using rather than the screen reader.  I believe there have been some third party spell checkers discussed either on this group, or the Windows 10 for Screen Reader Users group, in the past.  Have a look in the archives for both.

NVDA Group Archive:  https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/topics

Win10 for Screen Reader Users Archive:  https://win10.groups.io/g/win10/topics

Any in-depth discussion of spell checking, unless there is a built-in NVDA function that I'm forgetting about, should occur on the Chat Subgroup or elsewhere.
 
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Re: Accessible Apps for Writers, Learning NVDA

Kendra Schaber <kschaber@...>
 

Hi all! I am also trying to learn NVDA. I'm having trouble trying to find a more efficent way to check my spelling. Does anyone know if there is a better way to check spelling with NVDA? 



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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of Bob Cole <rkcole72984@...>
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 14:02
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Apps for Writers, Learning NVDA
 
That's definitely another way of going. I thought about trying to learn LaTeX, too, as I have some different ideas for novels, and auto generated table of contents as well as other things certainly sound nice. If I go that route, I'm certain I could use Notepad++, as I believe that's pretty accessible.

My goal at this point is to learn NVDA as best I can, try to find some good, straightforward resources to maybe learn LaTeX, and then get to work.

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On Jun 18, 2019, at 1:47 PM, Jackie <abletec@...> wrote:
Or you can use Markdown, & there's a text editor that supports it at:
www.WriteMonkey.com & it's accessible w/NVDA.

On 6/18/19, JM Casey <jmcasey@...> wrote:
Libre Office may not have had as much accessibility focus as MS’s Office,
but the writer application is certainly very usable with NVDA.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Cole
Sent: June 18, 2019 4:05 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Apps for Writers, Learning NVDA



Awesome! Thank you for that information!

I'm definitely going to check into that. As an extension though, do you
know if there are any other accessible applications for writers? I know of
LibreOffice, but like I said, it's literally been years since I've been on
the Windows side.

I've been a magnification user all of my life so far, what magnification
it's really not an option for me when it comes to my laptop. It seems like
my vision isn't as good as it used to be. So I'm trying to learn a new way
of life.

I really appreciate all of your input.

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On Jun 18, 2019, at 12:51 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...
<mailto:britechguy@...> > wrote:

Bob,

The laws were changed in the EU, but the licenses can be resold
to anyone, anywhere. I was just trying to give a bit of the history of the
relatively new recycled license market.

There's one eBay seller at the moment who's got recycled
Microsoft Office 2016 Pro Plus up for $1.90, and plenty more well under $10.
I gambled with a number of the ones I bought, since losing under $5 if it
didn't work and the seller disappeared (by the way, which never happened - I
had trouble with one license key and was issued an alternate) was no real
loss.

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