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Re: OT. Asking regarding accessible python program compiler

Narayan <krishnashree1221@...>
 

Thanks to all. I got success to run python program in my computer. thanks once again.

On 6/19/2019 10:09 PM, farhan israk wrote:

Try microsoft visual studio code with python add-on by Microsoft.


On Wed, 19 Jun 2019, 9:32 pm Brian Vogel, <britechguy@...> wrote:
I can't help you with your question, but I do want to point out that it is not off-topic.  Questions regarding which programs/utilities/etc. are accessible using NVDA are definitely on-topic for this group.  The group description now reads, in part, "Questions about which programs are accessible using NVDA, NVDA add-ons, and configuring Braille displays for use with NVDA are also permitted."

If the discussion were about how to code in Python, what the structure of a JSON file is, or similar, that would be off-topic but would also be perfectly appropriate for the chat subgroup.

I hope that some of our members that are also Python coders will have some suggestions for you.
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Re: A bit of soundcard trouble

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 

Let me see if I have this correct? You have installed a USB speakers to your laptop. You want your speech to remain on the internal speakers while the rest of the audio goes to the external speakers.

Make the external speakers the default speaker.

Press NVDA+ctrl+s tab once and then arrow down to your internal sound card and press enter

Press NVDA+ctrl+c to save configuration. NVDA should stay the same no matter what you do with your external speaker.

 

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From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2019 4:54 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A bit of soundcard trouble

 

Not really.

 

Its windows itself, switching default cards can be done but its a pain

in the rear so I hardly do it actively.

 

Worse still if you switch away with nvda it may just screw up till you

restart it and I have always switched back.

 

What I would tend to do if at all possible is make the internal card the

default and switch applications as needed.

 

Its a pain but it probably works better.

 

The other way is to switch everything to the card in general bar nvda,

and then switch nvda back to the card before you unplug it and it should

in theory work.

 

Or set the external to the default card, and in theory it should switch

back through.

 

 

 

On 20/06/2019 8:54 PM, Anne Günther wrote:

> Hi,

> I'm using an usb-soundcard for work regularly, but don't want to send

> the nvda speech through that.

> So I set the soundcard for that to the inbuild one of my laptop

> instead of "soundmapper". But when I puthe usb-card in, the speech is

> routed through it. I have to open the option dialogue for the speec

> engine and confirm that (the soundcard is still like I set it), then

> it works as intended.

> Kind of the same when I remove the Usb-card. No speech until I

> reconfirmed the dialogue.

> Is it me, or is it nvda? :-) And is there a way to prevent it?

> take care, Guenni

>

 

 

 

locked Re: ribbon disabler

Gene
 

Sile and all
 
Thanks, Marcio, for the compliment. 
 
Now, regarding getting my tutorial and a few other comments about it:
I've sent my tutorial to the list before in the body of messages.  As I recall, I never uploaded it to a sharing service.  I'll include it after my signature in this message.  It used to be part of a larger tutorial on Windows 7 but I excerpted it and made improvements in it, based on knowledge I learned since I first created it.  it contains certain important information it didn't contain before such as explaining split buttons in more detail and discussing one or two important ribbon commands I didn't know about years ago when I initially created it.  So anyone who has the original Windows 7 tutorial may want to look it over.
 
Gene
 
I'll provide a brief tutorial based on what I wrote years ago of how to work with ribbons.  I've added a little to it here.
 
I don't know how the organization of Windows has changed in Windows 10 but this description should allow you to look through the Windows ribbons, or any other ribbons, and see how things are organized. 
 
First, I'll discuss a structure found in later versions of Windows that you need to know about-- the split button. 
One thing you will see as you look around ribbons and in other places in Windows are split buttons. A split button often allows you to see more options than just the default action.  Let's take an example. 
Let's say you come across a split button that says shut down Windows.  If you press enter on that button, Windows will shut down.  That is the default action.  Split buttons often show more options if you either right arrow while on the button or down arrow.  As an example, if you are on the shut down split button, you can right arrow and a list of options will open.  the items in the list include sleep, hibernate, restart, and others.  You up or down arrow through the list or use the short cut commands you hear announced as you move through the list.  the letter shortcuts often take actions without pressing enter so be careful when using them, just as you are in menus. 
 
So, let's review.  You find a split button that says shut down.  If you press enter, the computer will shut down. If you right arrow, other options may be displayed.  Or if you down arrow, other options may be displayed.  A split button won't work with both methods.  One method, either right arrowing or down arrowing will do so if it can be done with the button.  Try both methods if you don't know which one might work.  If you are on a tool bar which extends across the screen from left to right, down arrowing will open additional options.  If you think about this, it makes sense.  If you are in a menu, down arrowing will move you to the next item in the menu.  So you right arrow on the split button to cause it to display more options.  In a tool bar that extends across the screen from left to right, right arrowing will move you to the next item in the tool bar.  So you down arrow when on the split button to cause it to display more options.  But some tool bars run up and down the screen, as menus do.  And at times, you may not be sure which way a structure extends on screen.  So, as I said, if you are not sure or don't know, try both methods of causing the split button to display more options.  Often, one of them will work. If you open the options a split button offers and don't want to work with them, arrow in the opposite direction to move out of them.  For example, if you right arrowed to open more options, left arrow. 
Some split buttons don't do anything when you right arrow or down arrow.  In that case, open them with alt down arrow.  Then tab through the additional options.  I've almost never worked in this way with split buttons but if you want to close a split button, try alt up arrow if you've used alt down arrow to open it.
 
Now, to ribbons themselves.
 
Regarding ribbons, much of the complaining about them is not warranted if you understand how they work and how to use short cut commands effectively and efficiently.  and I would strongly recommend against using the JAWS virtual menus, no matter what the JAWS training material says about ribbons being difficult to use.  the training material is just plain wrong and using virtual menus, you will be unnecessarily dependent on one screen-reader.  There are other disadvantages to using them which I won't go into here.
 
Try looking at ribbons and doing what is described below in wordpad.  Everyone with Windows 7 has Wordpad on their machine.  Wordpad provides a good environment to look at and practice working with ribbons.  
 
The essence of working with ribbons is this:
Press alt to move to the upper ribbon.
You will probably be on an item that says home tab. Items on the upper ribbon are announced as tabs such as home tab, view tab, etc. 
To see what ribbons are available, right or left arrow repeatedly to move through the ribbons.  Move in one
direction to move through all of them, just as you would to move through all the menus.
 
For this demonstration, just so we are all doing the same thing, move with the right arrow. When you get back to where you started, you can keep right arrowing to move through the items again, if you wish.  You can move through all the items as many times as you want. Or you can move with the left arrow whenever you want to move in the opposite direction.  
 
Stop on view.  Then start tabbing.  You will move through all items in what is called the lower ribbon that are in the view ribbon. 
 
In other words you tab to see the items in a ribbon once you move to it.  Tab moves you forward through the items, shift tab moves you backword.
So tab and shift tab are used instead of up and down arrow. 
 
Many items in the lower ribbon are buttons.  Use either the space bar or enter to activate the button. You may find a button that opens a menu and if you press enter or the space bar, you will then be in a menu.
 
Each time you move to an item, you will hear the short cut command to work with that item. 
But JAWS has a bug and you often won't.  To hear the short cut, use the command JAWS key tab.  If you are using the default JAWS key, it is either insert.
 
Try tabbing to an item in a Wordpad ribbon and using the command insert tab.  You will hear some extraneous information.  The last thing you will hear is the short cut sequence.  You can repeat the information by repeating the command as often as you want.
 
Let's look at an item which is usually called the application menu.  Return to the main program window in wordpad by closing the ribbons.  You can either press escape repeatedly, if necessary, or you can press alt once.  Now, open the ribbons again with alt. 
Start right arrowing until you get to the application menu.
You will hear application menu and then something like button drop down grid.  Never mind drop down grid.  It's a description you don't have to worry about.  The important things are that you are on a button and at the application menu.  Press enter or the space bar to activate the button.  Activating the button opens the menu.  Start down arrowing. you will hear all the short cut commands necessary to open an item or take an action.  When you got to the menu item, you heard alt f.  When you open the menu and move through it, you will hear all the letters announced.  for example, if you down arrow to save as, you will hear alt f a.  that means that, when you are in the main program window, you open the menu as you always did, alt f, then type a.  Alt f opens the menau and a then opens save as.  Ribbon programs have one menu and you should look through it.  Many important and common commands and interfaces such as options may be there.  By options, I mean the kind of options interface you used to find in the tools menu.
 
Now the we have seen the menu, let's look at the ribbons structure some more.
To review, and add more information, as you have seen, you can move to the ribbon interface with alt.  Then right and left arrow, just as you would move from menu to menu. 
You can also move to a ribbon using alt and a letter.  So, alt h takes you to the home ribbon.  Alt v takes you to the view ribbon, etc.  Once you are on the ribbon you want to work with, tab to move forward through the items in a ribbon.  Shift tab to move back through the items.  So tab and shift tab are used instead of up and down arrow.
Ribbons are divided into categories which you will hear announced as you tab.  for example, in an e-mail program, a ribbon may have a category named respond.  You may hear this announced as respond tool bar.  As you tab, you will hear commands such as reply and forward in the respond category.  When you hear a category announced, don't tab until you hear everything spoken.  You will miss the first command in the category if you do.  I'm talking about working with an unfamiliar ribbon. 
there are often many more commands and items in a ribbon than in a menu.  So memorize command sequences for items you know you will use regularly. 
As I said, there are different categories in ribbons to help organize items.  You can quickly jump from category to category in a ribbon to help you see if there is a category you want to look through. 
Move to a ribbon in Wordpad.  For example, alt h for hhome or alt v for view.
Then repeatedly issue the command control right arrow to move forward from category to category and control left arrow to move back.  When you get to a category you want to hear the items in, start tabbing.  Of course, you can shift tab to move back. 
 
Open a ribbon in Wordpad and tab through it to see how it is organized by moving through it. 
Then use control right arrow to move by category and tab to see what is in a category. 
 
Commands such as control o, control n, control s, control r, etc. are mostly retained in programs
that use ribbons, though you won't hear them announced. If you don't already know them, you'll have to find them in ways such as by looking at a list of keyboard commands for the program.  Such lists are often available in the help for the program. If you already know the commands from having used an older version of the program, most or perhaps even all of the commands you know will work.  

Re: NVDA and Microsoft Edge

Gene
 

There's nothing wrong with trying it, but I really doubt it is the problem.  I don't know what problem you had and its possible that I'm wrong that skim reading isn't the problem but the description of what skim reading does is so different that I didn't see the connection.  But if skim reading is on, you might as well turn it off to be sure.  It is a very easy thing to do.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Luke Davis
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2019 3:05 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Microsoft Edge

Gene seems quite certain in the conclusion that there is some deeper technical
problem going on here, so I will withdraw my suggestion. I admit I was not
following this thread closely enough to pick up on whatever he did.

As an aside, I will note that software does not always work as intended
in some system configurations or environments.  For example, a couple years ago,
I experienced a "sticking" effect with skim reading and say all on page load,
that looked very much like what Rayn described. It only happened on certain
websites, and I don't think I was able to replicate it on another machine, but
it did happen, and often enough to be a real pain.

In retrospect, that is unlikely to be what's happening here, it just seemed like
a trivial thing to look into or attempt.

Luke


locked Re: ribbon disabler

 

Sile,
would you be willing to share these links with the list? I know I would be interested…
Of course! Here you have it :)
Using the Ribbon Interface in Windows via the Keyboard, by Brian V.
Here, Gene talks and teach about ribbons.

Hope this helps!

Cheers,
Marcio AKA Starboy

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locked Re: ribbon disabler

Sile
 

Hello, would you be willing to share these links with the list? I know I would be interested…

Sile


On Jun 20, 2019, at 2:57 AM, Marcio via Groups.Io <marcinhorj21@...> wrote:

Paul,
While you haven't asked my opinion on this, please let me tell you. You're way better learning the ribbons than trying workarounds not to deal with them.
They aren't anything hard to learn and I could get the hang of it all in less than an hour. There are two excellent tutorials, one by Brian V and the other by Gene which will teach you all you need to know. I can send them to you if you want me to do it.

Cheers,
Marcio AKA Starboy

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Re: A bit of soundcard trouble

 

Not really.

Its windows itself, switching default cards can be done but its a pain in the rear so I hardly do it actively.

Worse still if you switch away with nvda it may just screw up till you restart it and I have always switched back.

What I would tend to do if at all possible is make the internal card the default and switch applications as needed.

Its a pain but it probably works better.

The other way is to switch everything to the card in general bar nvda, and then switch nvda back to the card before you unplug it and it should in theory work.

Or set the external to the default card, and in theory it should switch back through.

On 20/06/2019 8:54 PM, Anne Günther wrote:
Hi,
I'm using an usb-soundcard for work regularly, but don't want to send the nvda speech through that.
So I set the soundcard for that to the inbuild one of my laptop instead of "soundmapper". But when I puthe usb-card in, the speech is routed through it. I have to open the option dialogue for the speec engine and confirm that (the soundcard is still like I set it), then it works as intended.
Kind of the same when I remove the Usb-card. No speech until I reconfirmed the dialogue.
Is it me, or is it nvda? :-) And is there a way to prevent it?
take care, Guenni



locked Re: ribbon disabler

 

No, I have written to winaero and the author of the program.

I currently use old new explorer from msfn its a shell extention and seems to work.

Ironically its older than ribbon disabler was.

On 20/06/2019 7:24 PM, P. Otter wrote:
hello all,
i         always use ribbon disabler the last version was 3.1 as far i know.
but now with the last update from windows it do'nt work properly anymore.
 is it possible to get the look as windows 7 like before with ribbondisabler?
or is there already a new version of it?
cheers
paul otter



.

locked Re: ribbon disabler

 

Paul,
While you haven't asked my opinion on this, please let me tell you. You're way better learning the ribbons than trying workarounds not to deal with them.
They aren't anything hard to learn and I could get the hang of it all in less than an hour. There are two excellent tutorials, one by Brian V and the other by Gene which will teach you all you need to know. I can send them to you if you want me to do it.

Cheers,
Marcio AKA Starboy

Sent from a galaxy far, far away.

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A bit of soundcard trouble

Anne Günther
 

Hi,
I'm using an usb-soundcard for work regularly, but don't want to send the nvda speech through that.
So I set the soundcard for that to the inbuild one of my laptop instead of "soundmapper". But when I puthe usb-card in, the speech is routed through it. I have to open the option dialogue for the speec engine and confirm that (the soundcard is still like I set it), then it works as intended.
Kind of the same when I remove the Usb-card. No speech until I reconfirmed the dialogue.
Is it me, or is it nvda? :-) And is there a way to prevent it?
take care, Guenni

Re: NVDA and Microsoft Edge

Luke Davis
 

Gene seems quite certain in the conclusion that there is some deeper technical problem going on here, so I will withdraw my suggestion. I admit I was not following this thread closely enough to pick up on whatever he did.

As an aside, I will note that software does not always work as intended in some system configurations or environments. For example, a couple years ago, I experienced a "sticking" effect with skim reading and say all on page load, that looked very much like what Rayn described. It only happened on certain websites, and I don't think I was able to replicate it on another machine, but it did happen, and often enough to be a real pain.

In retrospect, that is unlikely to be what's happening here, it just seemed like a trivial thing to look into or attempt.

Luke

locked Re: ribbon disabler

Chris
 

Theres one called OldNewExplorer which does a similar thing to ribbon disabler

 

https://www.howto-connect.com/download-use-oldnewexplorer-windows-10/

 

 

From: P. Otter
Sent: 20 June 2019 08:25
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] ribbon disabler

 

hello all,

i         always use ribbon disabler the last version was 3.1 as far i know.

but now with the last update from windows it do'nt work properly anymore.

 is it possible to get the look as windows 7 like before with

ribbondisabler?

or is there already a new version of it?

cheers

paul otter

 

 

 

 

locked ribbon disabler

P. Otter
 

hello all,
i         always use ribbon disabler the last version was 3.1 as far i know.
but now with the last update from windows it do'nt work properly anymore.
 is it possible to get the look as windows 7 like before with ribbondisabler?
or is there already a new version of it?
cheers
paul otter

Re: NVDA and Microsoft Edge

Gene
 

Skim reading isn't the problem.  Here is the description of skim reading from the user guide.
Allow skim reading in Say All

If on, certain navigation commands (such as quick navigation in browse mode or moving by line or paragraph) do not stop Say All, rather Say All jumps to the new position and continues reading.----- Original Message -----
The description of the problem is as follows:
>On Edge and Firefox I have to let it read the entire page and cannot stop it or go back to anything else it won’t read anything else.
This is a technical problem and can't be solved by changing settings.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Luke Davis
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2019 2:05 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Microsoft Edge

Rayn Darren wrote:

> On Edge and Firefox I have to let it read the entire page and cannot stop it or go back to anything else it won’t read anything else.

It sounds like you may have skim reading turned on.
Press NVDA+ctrl+k, and look for "allow skim reading in say all". If that is
checked, uncheck it. I bet firefox and whatever else will work fine after that.

You might also want to press NVDA+ctrl+b, and uncheck "Automatic say all on page
load".

Luke



Re: NVDA and Microsoft Edge

Luke Davis
 

Rayn Darren wrote:

On Edge and Firefox I have to let it read the entire page and cannot stop it or go back to anything else it won’t read anything else.
It sounds like you may have skim reading turned on.
Press NVDA+ctrl+k, and look for "allow skim reading in say all". If that is checked, uncheck it. I bet firefox and whatever else will work fine after that.

You might also want to press NVDA+ctrl+b, and uncheck "Automatic say all on page load".

Luke

Re: strange thing in Nvda

Luke Davis
 

In Firefox, if you open the download window while the file is still downloading, the download percentage is shown on screen. It may be that this changing status wasn't announced previously but is now, I can't recall, although I thought it was. In any case, this is not related to status bar progress announcements.

Regardless the solution is simple: don't watch the download in progress. In other words: if you start a large download, go browse somewhere else and don't open the downloads window (which Firefox calls a library).

Luke

On Wed, 19 Jun 2019, Jarek.Krcmar wrote:

I found that when downloading large files, Nvda reports to me how much percent has been downloaded, although I have set it to only beep.
Don't know, please, where can the error be?

Re: OT. Asking regarding accessible python program compiler

Luke Davis
 

I believe there was a problem with notepad++ latest version, that prevented it from working with 2019.1.1. If you use NVDA beta, the fix should be in.

Luke

On Wed, 19 Jun 2019, Rayn Darren wrote:

Huh, perhaps I got a bad download then. Thanks!

NVDA is not speaking character or word selection within a cell while I try to edit a formula after pressing f2

Mohd. Ahtesham Shaikh
 

NVDA is not speaking character or word selection within a cell while I try to edit a formula after pressing f2
There is a huge formula in a cell.
I want to delete part of the formula by selecting and deleting part of that formula.
NVDA does not read while I am selecting the characters and words of this formula.
Can some one guide on this?
This is currently on office computer. Have to check what happens on the home computer.
But need solution for office computer now.

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From India
Using Windows 8.1 at home and windows 10 pro in office

Re: OT. Asking regarding accessible python program compiler

Jaffar Sidek
 

Hi.  You can download Python from www.python.org as it comes with a python interactive shell.  Download and install the latest package making sure it is Python3.  Support for Python 2 will be dropped next year.  During installation, make sure you choose to have Python on your environment's path.  After installation, go to CMD, then type the following:


Python --version and you should get the following output if installation is done correctly

Microsoft Windows [Version 10.0.17763.557]
(c) 2018 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

C:\Users\jaffar>py -3
Python 3.7.3 (v3.7.3:ef4ec6ed12, Mar 25 2019, 22:22:05) [MSC v.1916 64 bit (AMD64)] on win32
Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
>>>


now you can output your first python program


print ("Hello Python")


output:


Hello Python!


Cheers!


On 6/19/2019 11:32 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
I can't help you with your question, but I do want to point out that it is not off-topic.  Questions regarding which programs/utilities/etc. are accessible using NVDA are definitely on-topic for this group.  The group description now reads, in part, "Questions about which programs are accessible using NVDA, NVDA add-ons, and configuring Braille displays for use with NVDA are also permitted."

If the discussion were about how to code in Python, what the structure of a JSON file is, or similar, that would be off-topic but would also be perfectly appropriate for the chat subgroup.

I hope that some of our members that are also Python coders will have some suggestions for you.
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Re: interesting problem

Ame
 

 

Okay.  That’s good to know.  Guess I’m not as crazy as I thought.  Lol  Thanks guys.  I appreciate it.