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Re: nvda gives me silent treatment

marvin kotler
 

                I am using eloquence; nvda stays silent no matter how long I wait; using latest version of nvda and windows 1903.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: nvda gives me silent treatment

Gene
 

What synthesizer are you using and how long have you waited after typing a letter to see if it is announced?  It may be that characters are being announced but after a rather long lag.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2019 10:37 AM
Subject: [nvda] nvda gives me silent treatment
 

Good morning listers.  Having trouble when writing a message in windows mail.  Nvda does not speak to me when I type; Tried notepad also and he speaks fine.  Have characters, words and speech on.  If anyone has suggestions of anything else I might try, thanks in advance.

Marv

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


nvda gives me silent treatment

marvin kotler
 

Good morning listers.  Having trouble when writing a message in windows mail.  Nvda does not speak to me when I type; Tried notepad also and he speaks fine.  Have characters, words and speech on.  If anyone has suggestions of anything else I might try, thanks in advance.

Marv

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: Lightweight and Snappy Web Browsers

 

Ladies and Gentlemen,

            This topic is taking a turn for the "not related to NVDA" side.  But, I'm not locking it yet, and I will answer the last question with a link to the Brave system requirements page, since it is no small task to find it:  https://support.brave.com/hc/en-us/articles/360021357112-What-are-the-system-requirements-to-install-Brave-

            A brief, and pertinent quote from that page:

Windows

  • Windows 7, Windows 8, Windows 8.1, Windows 10 or later
  • An Intel Pentium 4 processor or later that's SSE2 capable

            Any further in-depth discussion of Brave should be taken to the Chat Subgroup.  If there are recommendations for an accessible, lightweight web browser other than Brave then feel free to offer those suggestions.

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Puritanism:  The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.

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Re: Lightweight and Snappy Web Browsers

 

hi.
brave?
i did not hear about its features!
is it multiprocess or single process?
does it support windows xp?

On 6/26/19, Andy <wq6r@socal.rr.com> wrote:
Try Brave. I believe it is modeled after Chrome, perhaps uses the Chrome
engine. It has a look and feel similar to Chrome, and in my limited use, it

seems very snappy, like Chrome did when I first started using it.

Andy

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bhavya shah" <bhavya.shah125@gmail.com>
To: "nvda" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2019 4:59 PM
Subject: [nvda] Lightweight and Snappy Web Browsers


Dear all,

Currently, my primary web browser is Firefox, and I resort to Chrome
for large or heavy pages which Chrome renders with relative speed and
ease. However, due to certain reasons (mostly performance and resource
consumption related), I am considering to abandon Google Chrome. I was
wonderingn if there are any other known accessible web browsers that
have characteristics of being quick and snappy and lightweight.

I would greatly appreciate your inputs and suggestions.

Thanks.

--
Best Regards
Bhavya Shah

Blogger at Hiking Across Horizons: https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/
E-mail Address: bhavya.shah125@gmail.com
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bhavyashah125/





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with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


Re: Lightweight and Snappy Web Browsers

Chris Mullins
 

I concur. I've been using Brave for about 8 months now and I find it to work well. It uses Chrome and also has a capability to use Tor. The built-in ad blocking is also helpful.

Cheers
Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Andy
Sent: 26 June 2019 01:06
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Lightweight and Snappy Web Browsers

Try Brave. I believe it is modeled after Chrome, perhaps uses the Chrome
engine. It has a look and feel similar to Chrome, and in my limited use, it
seems very snappy, like Chrome did when I first started using it.

Andy

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bhavya shah" <bhavya.shah125@gmail.com>
To: "nvda" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2019 4:59 PM
Subject: [nvda] Lightweight and Snappy Web Browsers


Dear all,

Currently, my primary web browser is Firefox, and I resort to Chrome
for large or heavy pages which Chrome renders with relative speed and
ease. However, due to certain reasons (mostly performance and resource
consumption related), I am considering to abandon Google Chrome. I was
wonderingn if there are any other known accessible web browsers that
have characteristics of being quick and snappy and lightweight.

I would greatly appreciate your inputs and suggestions.

Thanks.

--
Best Regards
Bhavya Shah

Blogger at Hiking Across Horizons: https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/
E-mail Address: bhavya.shah125@gmail.com
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bhavyashah125/



WoeId finder for Weather_Plus

Adriano Barbieri
 

Hi to every one,


All WoeId search services and one of these is used by Weather_Plus, Right now they don't work anymore and it's not known until when and why.
We hope for a resolution soon.
Looking for an alternative I found this woeid search engine where it is possible to find the recurrences of a city and the related WoeId.

http://www.findmecity.com/


Regards
Adriano



Re: Keystrokes from other screenreaders NVDA does not have

Richard Wells
 

Sure there is a key stroke to do this. Just press CONTROL+SPACE-BAR after arrowing to any desktop icon. Now, nothing is selected, press SHIFT+F10 or APPLICATIONS-KEY and press w to bring up the new sub-menu. From there, just press RIGHT-ARROW to open it and arrow to folder, shortcut, etc, and press ENTER. Follow the prompts to create your shortcut.

On 6/25/2019 5:21 AM, Sile via Groups.Io wrote:
The keystroke I was looking for the other day was the one to place a URL on the desktop. Right now you have to find an empty space on the desktop using the mouse before you can drop a shortcut to a URL. I don’t think there’s even a windows command for this.


Sile

On Jun 24, 2019, at 10:36 PM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

That is an example of a proprietary interface that makes people dependent on JAWS and doesn't work as well as real ribbons. 
 
I don't know if something that extensive would want to be discussed in whatever material is being contemplated, but I created a ribbon tutorial that you may want to refer people to.  if you want to see it, I'll send it in another message.  I'd have to upload it to my Drop Box account if you want to provide a link.  I improved it a little.  It was previously a part of a short Windows 7 tutorial I did but I never uploaded it separately.
Gene
----- Original message -----
From: zahra
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2019 12:21 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Keystrokes from other screenreaders NVDA does not have

hi quentin.
the only amazing aspect of jaws that unfortunately nvda does not
support, its virtual ribbon menu that we can navigate between ribbons
as we used to use in classic menus.

On 6/25/19, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
> The discussion in the Drag and drop thread around the system tray has got
> me thinking:
> - The NV Access philosophy is that if Windows includes functionality which
> is accessible, why re-invent the wheel
> - Users who come from other screen readers get confused when they are
> encouraged to use the Windows keystrokes for functionality they are used to
> being provided by the screen reader.
>
> I was going to mention the "Switching from Jaws to NVDA" document in that
> thread, but in reading it just now, I noted that it does NOT, in fact,
> include how to perform tasks such as access the system tray.
>
> So, can anyone please give me examples of functionality that other screen
> readers provide (such as INSERT+F11 to access the system tray), that NVDA
> expects people to use the Windows keystroke (WINDOWS+B in the case of the
> system tray) for?
>
> I'd like to collate them and update the relevant documents with them, and
> potentially even make a document all its own if needed.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Quentin.
> --
> Quentin Christensen
> Training and Support Manager
>
> NVDA 2019.2beta1 <https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-2beta1-released/>
> now available!
>
> Web: www.nvaccess.org
> Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
> Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/
> User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda
> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
> Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>
>
>
>
>


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were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali



The Brilliance of Object Navigation

Ed Marquette
 

Being relatively new to NVDA, I wondered about this thing called Object Navigation.  I  was used to what NVDA calls flat screen review.  I even saw a post here about preferring flat screen review – as featured in JAWS – to Object Navigation (though they aren’t really alternatives).

I was sort of able to get my head around Object Navigation by thinking of it as a swipe left or a swipe right on my iPhone.  That’s only an approximation.

I am dealing with an application called ND Mail.  As one arrows through the email screen in Outlook (the one that just announces the sender, subject, and other basic information) ND Mail tries, using AI, to predict where the email should be filed in our document management system.

There is a predictions screen that is constantly running and displaying predicted file locations.  That constant screen activity slows down NVDA, but it renders JAWS useless, taking up to 30 seconds just to navigate to the next message.

I wondered whether this so-called Object Navigation might help.  I was shocked.  With shift+CapsLock+arrow keys, I can jump from message to message instantly.  Then, CapsLoc+ENTER opens the message.

This was a truly thrilling discovery. I have since started using Object Review mode to discover prompts not otherwise announced, to copy text in otherwise inaccessible locations, and to read the contents of strange read-only edit boxes.

For those, like me, who came to NVDA after using other screen readers for decades, Object Navigation is a strange, but truly wonderful, concept.

If you have not tried it, I encourage you to give it a shot.  It really came to my rescue.

 


Re: Lightweight and Snappy Web Browsers

Andy
 

Try Brave. I believe it is modeled after Chrome, perhaps uses the Chrome engine. It has a look and feel similar to Chrome, and in my limited use, it seems very snappy, like Chrome did when I first started using it.

Andy

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bhavya shah" <bhavya.shah125@gmail.com>
To: "nvda" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2019 4:59 PM
Subject: [nvda] Lightweight and Snappy Web Browsers


Dear all,

Currently, my primary web browser is Firefox, and I resort to Chrome
for large or heavy pages which Chrome renders with relative speed and
ease. However, due to certain reasons (mostly performance and resource
consumption related), I am considering to abandon Google Chrome. I was
wonderingn if there are any other known accessible web browsers that
have characteristics of being quick and snappy and lightweight.

I would greatly appreciate your inputs and suggestions.

Thanks.

--
Best Regards
Bhavya Shah

Blogger at Hiking Across Horizons: https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/
E-mail Address: bhavya.shah125@gmail.com
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bhavyashah125/


Lightweight and Snappy Web Browsers

Bhavya shah
 

Dear all,

Currently, my primary web browser is Firefox, and I resort to Chrome
for large or heavy pages which Chrome renders with relative speed and
ease. However, due to certain reasons (mostly performance and resource
consumption related), I am considering to abandon Google Chrome. I was
wonderingn if there are any other known accessible web browsers that
have characteristics of being quick and snappy and lightweight.

I would greatly appreciate your inputs and suggestions.

Thanks.

--
Best Regards
Bhavya Shah

Blogger at Hiking Across Horizons: https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/
E-mail Address: bhavya.shah125@gmail.com
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bhavyashah125/


locked Re: The ribbon tutorial

Nimer Jaber
 

Hello,

while this thread has not seen any responses, a few others were spun off as a result. This thread, is indeed, off-topic for this list. Why?

the rules state that topics relating to NVDA are on topic. Topics related to the ribbon or Windows are not on topic. There are mailing lists for discussions about Office and Windows, and these topics are best discussed there.

How could this topic be made on topic for this list? Had the topic discussed the use of NVDA and NVDA-specific features, it would be on topic. Had someone asked "Is there a similar feature as the virtual ribbon with NVDA" then that could be on topic. If the question was something about the accessibility or inaccessibility of part of the ribbon with NVDA, that could be on topic. If it had to do with an announcement which was verbalized by NVDA in the ribbon, that would be on topic. If it is a tutorial in general on how to use the ribbon, and it has nothing to do with NVDA, it is off-topic, and is best discussed on the chat list and/or on mailing lists which more align with the topic.

Finally, if you disagree, do not post your disagreement on list. The nvda Owner address is open for your comments, and I can promise you that they will be considered, even if they will not always be acted on.

This topic is now locked, and I urge anyone wishing to post a tutorial to get permission first from the Owner address. Had Gene reached out to the Owner address requesting permission to post something like this, it is possible that this permission may have been granted, and the topic could have been locked immediately, but this was not what happened.

Thanks everyone.


Re: Task Manager Alternatives

JM Casey
 

Hi.

 

I use Process Explorer instead of task manager, but only with the Shark guy unfortunately. It would be interesting to know why it is less accessible with NVDA (which, indeed it is), and if this can be worked out in some way.

Originally I used Process Explorer back in the Windows XP days and found that I just liked it more. I was finding the Windows task manager unbearably slow to respond (something which may have been fixed, now) and so switched back to PE, which is very fast and robust, but again, only with JFW, which does irk me somewhat.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: June 25, 2019 10:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Task Manager Alternatives

 

On Tue, Jun 25, 2019 at 10:04 AM, Tyler Spivey wrote:

I think you mean Process Explorer; that's more like task manager.

You're correct.  There is a utility called Process Monitor as well, but it was Process Explorer that I meant.   It's been ages since I used it and for me I've always found it overkill for general use, but I don't know of any others.  It will be interesting to see if others do, and particularly accessible options.

In playing with it now for a few moments it's not accessible in any useful sense with NVDA.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

Puritanism:  The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.

        ~ H.L. Mencken

 

 


locked Re: More tutorials like this, was The ribbon tutorial

 

Gene,

           The group rules are not up for reconsideration, and there has already been extensive discussion about that.   The arrangement such that NVDA-centric questions belong here, and those about anything else in the Chat Subgroup, benefits those who wish to get information about either subject.

           It is up to any member whether or not they wish to join the Chat Subgroup.  But non-NVDA-centric topics will be locked, as this one now is.

           As has already been noted, if you have concerns you'd like to raise about group policy, those should be directed to the group owner via nvda+owner@groups.io 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

Puritanism:  The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.

        ~ H.L. Mencken

 

 


locked Re: To Brian: More tutorials like this, was The ribbon tutorial

 

Two off-topic for the main forum posts don't make either on-topic.   Since group rules/policy are not up for debate on the list, this topic is now locked.

Concerns about administration on this group, or any group, should be addressed to the group owner.  In the case of this group, that address is nvda+owner@nvda.groups.io 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

Puritanism:  The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.

        ~ H.L. Mencken

 

 


locked To Brian: More tutorials like this, was The ribbon tutorial

Janet Brandly
 

Brian,

 

With all due respect, if the post I wrote was not appropriate for this list, why was the post I referred to posted? It also does not directly deal with using NVDA.

 

Regards,

 

Jan

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2019 9:56 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] More tutorials like this, was The ribbon tutorial

 

Tutorials such as the Ribbons Tutorial, which is invaluable, and others that deal with using Windows features or the features of a specific program, really belong on the Chat Subgroup, as the discussion is not about using NVDA specifically in any meaningful way, but about Windows in the case of the Ribbons and an application in the case of Outlook.

Please post this sort of content on the Chat Subgroup.

chat+subscribe@nvda.groups.io - Subscription Address
chat@nvda.groups.io - Posting Address
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Puritanism:  The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.

        ~ H.L. Mencken

 

 


locked Re: More tutorials like this, was The ribbon tutorial

Gene
 

The chat group only has about 76 members.  That means that not even one-hundred people of the over 1,100 members of this list will see it.  I therefore ask for a reconsideration of the decision and that some consideration be given to this when deciding what to allow on the list.  . 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2019 10:55 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] More tutorials like this, was The ribbon tutorial

Tutorials such as the Ribbons Tutorial, which is invaluable, and others that deal with using Windows features or the features of a specific program, really belong on the Chat Subgroup, as the discussion is not about using NVDA specifically in any meaningful way, but about Windows in the case of the Ribbons and an application in the case of Outlook.

Please post this sort of content on the Chat Subgroup.

chat+subscribe@nvda.groups.io - Subscription Address
chat@nvda.groups.io - Posting Address
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Puritanism:  The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.

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locked Re: More tutorials like this, was The ribbon tutorial

Gene
 

Thank you.  I'm glad you find it useful. 
 
I don't use Outlook and, though I've done presentations they are many years old.  I'm not sure how many of them are current enough to still be useful. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2019 10:46 AM
Subject: [nvda] More tutorials like this, was The ribbon tutorial

Hello Gene and all,

 

Thanks for posting this tutorial. It’s straight-forward and concise. Gene, do you have other tutorials that you have written and would be willing to make available? I’m particularly interested in something for Outlook. I started using it a couple of months ago. It’s quite bulky and not very intuitive.

 

Thanks for all your hard work!

 

Jan

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2019 9:33 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] The ribbon tutorial

 

Here, below my signature, is the ribbon tutorial I created awhile ago.  It probably won't take more than about ten minutes to read straight through, though of course, working with it will take longer.

 

Gene

 

I'll provide a brief tutorial based on what I wrote years ago of how to work with ribbons. 

 

I've added a little to it here.

 

I don't know how the organization of Windows has changed in Windows 10 but this description should allow you to look through the Windows ribbons, or any other ribbons, and see how things are organized. 

 

First, I'll discuss a structure found in later versions of Windows that you need to know about-- the split button. 
One thing you will see as you look around ribbons and in other places in Windows are split buttons. A split button often allows you to see more options than just the default action.  Let's take an example. 
Let's say you come across a split button that says shut down Windows.  If you press enter on that button, Windows will shut down.  That is the default action.  Split buttons often show more options if you either right arrow while on the button or down arrow.  As an example, if you are on the shut down split button, you can right arrow and a list of options will open.  the items in the list include sleep, hibernate, restart, and others.  You up or down arrow through the list or use the short cut commands you hear announced as you move through the list.  the letter shortcuts often take actions without pressing enter so be careful when using them, just as you are in menus. 

 

So, let's review.  You find a split button that says shut down.  If you press enter, the computer will shut down. If you right arrow, other options may be displayed.  Or if you down arrow, other options may be displayed.  A split button won't work with both methods.  One method, either right arrowing or down arrowing will do so if it can be done with the button.  Try both methods if you don't know which one might work.  If you are on a tool bar which extends across the screen from left to right, down arrowing will open additional options.  If you think about this, it makes sense.  If you are in a menu, down arrowing will move you to the next item in the menu.  So you right arrow on the split button to cause it to display more options.  In a tool bar that extends across the screen from left to right, right arrowing will move you to the next item in the tool bar.  So you down arrow when on the split button to cause it to display more options.  But some tool bars run up and down the screen, as menus do.  And at times, you may not be sure which way a structure extends on screen.  So, as I said, if you are not sure or don't know, try both methods of causing the split button to display more options.  Often, one of them will work. If you open the options a split button offers and don't want to work with them, arrow in the opposite direction to move out of them.  For example, if you right arrowed to open more options, left arrow. 
Some split buttons don't do anything when you right arrow or down arrow.  In that case, open them with alt down arrow.  Then tab through the additional options.  I've almost never worked in this way with split buttons but if you want to close a split button, try alt up arrow if you've used alt down arrow to open it.

 

Now, to ribbons themselves.

 

Regarding ribbons, much of the complaining about them is not warranted if you understand how they work and how to use short cut commands effectively and efficiently.  and I would strongly recommend against using the JAWS virtual menus, no matter what the JAWS training material says about ribbons being difficult to use.  the training material is just plain wrong and using virtual menus, you will be unnecessarily dependent on one screen-reader.  There are other disadvantages to using them which I won't go into here.

 

Try looking at ribbons and doing what is described below in wordpad.  Everyone with Windows 7 has Wordpad on their machine.  Wordpad provides a good environment to look at and practice working with ribbons.  

 

The essence of working with ribbons is this:
Press alt to move to the upper ribbon.
You will probably be on an item that says home tab. Items on the upper ribbon are announced as tabs such as home tab, view tab, etc. 
To see what ribbons are available, right or left arrow repeatedly to move through the ribbons.  Move in one
direction to move through all of them, just as you would to move through all the menus.

 

For this demonstration, just so we are all doing the same thing, move with the right arrow. When you get back to where you started, you can keep right arrowing to move through the items again, if you wish.  You can move through all the items as many times as you want. Or you can move with the left arrow whenever you want to move in the opposite direction.  

 

Stop on view.  Then start tabbing.  You will move through all items in what is called the lower ribbon that are in the view ribbon. 

 

In other words you tab to see the items in a ribbon once you move to it.  Tab moves you forward through the items, shift tab moves you backword.
So tab and shift tab are used instead of up and down arrow. 

 

Many items in the lower ribbon are buttons.  Use either the space bar or enter to activate the button. You may find a button that opens a menu and if you press enter or the space bar, you will then be in a menu.

 

Each time you move to an item, you will hear the short cut command to work with that item. 
But JAWS has a bug and you often won't.  To hear the short cut, use the command JAWS key tab.  If you are using the default JAWS key, it is either insert.

 

Try tabbing to an item in a Wordpad ribbon and using the command insert tab.  You will hear some extraneous information.  The last thing you will hear is the short cut sequence.  You can repeat the information by repeating the command as often as you want.

 

Let's look at an item which is usually called the application menu.  Return to the main program window in wordpad by closing the ribbons.  You can either press escape repeatedly, if necessary, or you can press alt once.  Now, open the ribbons again with alt. 
Start right arrowing until you get to the application menu.
You will hear application menu and then something like button drop down grid.  Never mind drop down grid.  It's a description you don't have to worry about.  The important things are that you are on a button and at the application menu.  Press enter or the space bar to activate the button.  Activating the button opens the menu.  Start down arrowing. you will hear all the short cut commands necessary to open an item or take an action.  When you got to the menu item, you heard alt f.  When you open the menu and move through it, you will hear all the letters announced.  for example, if you down arrow to save as, you will hear alt f a.  that means that, when you are in the main program window, you open the menu as you always did, alt f, then type a.  Alt f opens the menau and a then opens save as.  Ribbon programs have one menu and you should look through it.  Many important and common commands and interfaces such as options may be there.  By options, I mean the kind of options interface you used to find in the tools menu.

 

Now the we have seen the menu, let's look at the ribbons structure some more.
To review, and add more information, as you have seen, you can move to the ribbon interface with alt.  Then right and left arrow, just as you would move from menu to menu. 
You can also move to a ribbon using alt and a letter.  So, alt h takes you to the home ribbon.  Alt v takes you to the view ribbon, etc.  Once you are on the ribbon you want to work with, tab to move forward through the items in a ribbon.  Shift tab to move back through the items.  So tab and shift tab are used instead of up and down arrow.
Ribbons are divided into categories which you will hear announced as you tab.  for example, in an e-mail program, a ribbon may have a category named respond.  You may hear this announced as respond tool bar.  As you tab, you will hear commands such as reply and forward in the respond category.  When you hear a category announced, don't tab until you hear everything spoken.  You will miss the first command in the category if you do.  I'm talking about working with an unfamiliar ribbon. 
there are often many more commands and items in a ribbon than in a menu.  So memorize command sequences for items you know you will use regularly. 
As I said, there are different categories in ribbons to help organize items.  You can quickly jump from category to category in a ribbon to help you see if there is a category you want to look through. 
Move to a ribbon in Wordpad.  For example, alt h for hhome or alt v for view.
Then repeatedly issue the command control right arrow to move forward from category to category and control left arrow to move back.  When you get to a category you want to hear the items in, start tabbing.  Of course, you can shift tab to move back. 

 

Open a ribbon in Wordpad and tab through it to see how it is organized by moving through it. 
Then use control right arrow to move by category and tab to see what is in a category. 

 

Commands such as control o, control n, control s, control r, etc. are mostly retained in programs
that use ribbons, though you won't hear them announced. If you don't already know them, you'll have to find them in ways such as by looking at a list of keyboard commands for the program.  Such lists are often available in the help for the program. If you already know the commands from having used an older version of the program, most or perhaps even all of the commands you know will work.  


locked Re: More tutorials like this, was The ribbon tutorial

 

Tutorials such as the Ribbons Tutorial, which is invaluable, and others that deal with using Windows features or the features of a specific program, really belong on the Chat Subgroup, as the discussion is not about using NVDA specifically in any meaningful way, but about Windows in the case of the Ribbons and an application in the case of Outlook.

Please post this sort of content on the Chat Subgroup.

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Re: Using NVDA With Studio One

 

I approved this topic mostly because of the request for resources regarding using NVDA with this specific program.

Please, if the discussion turns toward using Studio One, all its commands, and navigating the application, please pursue that on the Chat Subgroup.
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