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Re: Tutorials for Using Google Drive with NVDA

David Moore
 

Hi!

I use Google drive with NVDA a lot!

I have a tutorial that Joseph Lee did in 2018, that goes through using NVDA from beginning to end.

AFB, I believe has an audio tutorial that has 10 parts that goes over using Google Drive and Docs.

I can’t get my hands on the tutorials right now, but I know I have them uploaded to a cloud service, so I could just paste a link for both the NVDA and Google Drive tutorials.

Please email me off line, because I can really help you!

Email:

Jesusloves1966@...

David Moore

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Dr. J. michael jones
Sent: Friday, June 28, 2019 1:42 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Moving Forward on the NVDA Group #adminnotice

 

Hello, I am needing help with google drive it is my first time using this platform, teaching college online and the system used for communication and sharing and documents is google drive.  Also I am not a real experienced NVDA user: Very experienced computer user, just some what new to NVDA.  Any help would be greatful, also willing to pay someone for some quick 1-1 help.

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2019 11:50:31 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Moving Forward on the NVDA Group #adminnotice

 

Moving Forward on the NVDA Group

Back in April, an admin notice entitled, Important: List Conduct, was posted, followed very shortly after by, NVDA List: A Reboot, both of which outlined the refocusing of the NVDA group on its reason for being.  That reason is assisting with questions directly related to the configuration and use of NVDA itself.  By extension, that covers add-ons, working with synthesizers and Braille display setup, and asking about other programs strictly with regard as to whether they are accessible, or to what extent they are accessible, using NVDA.

The NVDA group has over a thousand members, and each and every message to the group is an imposition on the time of those members (including this one, for which we apologize to many).   Our hope had been that a request from group leadership for a refocusing would have been enough to achieve it, but that has not occurred.

We have tried gently redirecting non-NVDA-related content to the NVDA Chat Subgroup or other appropriate venues, and also tried being more directive in recent weeks hoping this might do the trick, but it has not.  So, we are now faced with doing what we had not wished to, and that is heavy-handed moderation, at least for the time being.

Before sending any message to the group, it is imperative that you ask yourself, “Is what I’m about to ask or offer directly related to controlling or using NVDA, or whether a specific program is accessible with NVDA?” If the answer is not a direct and simple, “Yes,” please do not send that message to the NVDA group.  If you do, it will be promptly locked and a canned message regarding off-topic messages added.  Instead, join the NVDA Chat Subgroup and send it there, or to another venue.

The lack of subscribers to the NVDA Chat Subgroup is indicative of one or both of the following:

1.        There is a lack of member interest in discussing non-NVDA-related content with other members of the group, since only members of a main group may join a subgroup.  This is perfectly fine, since membership is optional by design.

2.      There is a belief that not asking the above-mentioned question, and having an honest “yes” as the answer, should not be a deterrent to posting whatever one wishes on the NVDA group.  This is not fine, and will not become fine, either.


We do not have the capability to move topics between the main group and the chat subgroup, or we would have been doing so, and there is no indication that this function will be forthcoming from Groups.io.

So, if you wish to engage in non-NVDA-related discussions, and it appears that a great many do, you will need to join the chat subgroup or take them to another venue where they are on-topic.  Again, for your records, the NVDA Chat Subgroup addresses are:

In closing, we repeat the final paragraph of the administrative message regarding list conduct:

If you have read this far, thank you. I hope, that with your help, we can scale back the thread hijacking, the off-topic messages, and the many repetitive posts in order to make this place a more inviting community for everyone who wishes to learn about, or help out with NVDA. Thank you for being part of this list, and thank you for your contributions. I hope they will continue. If, after you read this far, you choose to leave the list, however, please do so, please don't announce it before you leave because I don't care that you are leaving, and please feel free to return if you wish at a later time.


Nimer Jaber

NVDA Group Owner

 

Brian Vogel

NVDA Group Moderator

 


Trouble Reading Articles with Greek letters and Formulas

PITTMAN, RYAN D <rpittman@...>
 

I am trying to read the following papers from major publications. They claim that these articles are screen readerable.
The issue arises when the reader gets to a number or Greek letter. Once it gets to one of those things, it stops reading. I also cannot get it to read formulas and equations correctly when I put the mouse over it. I have the Access8Math add-on downloaded and enabled. The goal is for me to be able to sit back and have NVDA read each of these articles without pause, including the formulas and equations.

Thank you in advance for your help.
 


Re: ctrl alt N not opening NVDA

 

One can also simply re-create a desktop shortcut, and if you want to discuss how to do this please launch a topic on the Chat Subgroup and I'll be happy to help.
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Puritanism:  The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.

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Re: Does Instant Translator still work?

Sarah k Alawami
 

I'm actually using a different one from github. Search for "ric translator and nvda" or somethingn like tnat and you should find it. I'm not at m windows machine right now so don't have it. You will know that that's the one as the google translator will be used.

Take care

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For stuff we sell, mac training materials and  tutorials go here.
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Our telegram channel is also a good place for an announce only in regard to podcasts, contests, etc.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 28 Jun 2019, at 5:24, Mallard wrote:

Hello all,

I'm wondering whether the Instant Translator add-on still works. I would really need it.

Ciao,thanks,

Ollie


Re: ctrl alt N not opening NVDA

Sarah k Alawami
 

If it did disappear I would not have noticed. I just go to windows r and type nvda and it starts. For me that is quicker and I can assign control alt n to something else if need be.

If it did go away, file a bug on github but search for. dupe first.

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website. This is also our libsyn page as well.
For stuff we sell, mac training materials and  tutorials go here.
and for hosting options go here
to subscribe to the feed click here

Our telegram channel is also a good place for an announce only in regard to podcasts, contests, etc.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 28 Jun 2019, at 0:17, Paul O'Rahilly wrote:

Hi

I am unable to open NVDA with ctrl alt N short cut

I can open it from the main menu.

Maybe it's a conincidence but this function disappeared after latest
windows updates.

Cheers, Paul


locked Re: NVDA and the Wells Fargo web page

 

Well, this topic now presents a teachable moment just prior to it being locked, as all information necessary for end users to have has now been offered.

To members who believe an off-topic message has been posted, please do not blast offense about same to the entire group, as that in and of itself is clutter.  Send a message to the group owner e-mail address for the group, nvda+owner@nvda.groups.io in this case, to bring it to their attention.  If it's off-topic it will be locked, with annotation regarding why.

To members who are justifiably offended by rudeness, please take that up via private message to the offender, using the "Reply to sender" link at the end of the individual message that caused offense.  You should also feel free to send a message to the group owner about the offending message if you believe that it is of a nature that requires additional attention.
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locked Re: NVDA and the Wells Fargo web page

Pascal Lambert <coccinelle86@...>
 

Thank you for your lack of kindness.  You could convey your message in a nicer way and it won’t hurt you!  Rudeness will scare people who might need the assistance from reaching out!

Blessings

Pascal

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Friday, June 28, 2019 8:14 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and the Wells Fargo web page

 

This has "NOTHING!" to do with NVDA!

    Please stop cluttering up the list with non-NVDA related issues!

    Please take this one to the chat list or some other browser related list!

 

    Clutter!!!!!!!!!!

 

On 6/28/2019 4:54 AM, Pascal Lambert wrote:

Hi all,

First, anyone using Wells Fargo that is encountering the same problem that is opening combo boxes or list to choose from such in the “from account” and the “to account” to make payment?

It is only recently that I started encountering the problem.  Wells Fargo had an issue a month ago with scheduling payment and they fixed it.  The fix might be the cause for those of us who use a screen reader.  I am talking to them about it and I just want to make sure it is not an NVDA issue.  Please help.

Many thanks

Blessings

Pascal 

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Windows 10 Home, 64 Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362 - NVDA Version 2019.1.1


Re: Does Instant Translator still work?

Hermann-Josef Kurzen
 

Hi Ollie,

Instant Translate Addon still works very fine.


Greetings - Hermann


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Hello all,


I'm wondering whether the Instant Translator add-on still works. I would
really need it.

Ciao,thanks,

Ollie





Re: Does Instant Translator still work?

Mallard
 

Many thanks. I'll have a go at it.

Ciao,

Ollie

Il 28/06/2019 15:01, Daniel Damacena ha scritto:
I don't know if it is working currently, but I recommend qtranslate (q translate). It is quite light, simple and has hotkeys, which you can change, to access it's features rapidly.


locked Re: NVDA and the Wells Fargo web page

Pascal Lambert <coccinelle86@...>
 

Hi Brian,

The suggest use of “CTRL-Enter” opened the combo box but did not allow me to move down the list.

Blessings

Pascal

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, June 28, 2019 9:17 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and the Wells Fargo web page

 

On Fri, Jun 28, 2019 at 07:54 AM, Pascal Lambert wrote:

Wells Fargo had an issue a month ago with scheduling payment and they fixed it.  The fix might be the cause for those of us who use a screen reader.  I am talking to them about it and I just want to make sure it is not an NVDA issue.

Pascal, do you use (even as a secondary) any other screen reader?   If so, try accessing the same controls with it.  This is one way that one can come to a reasonably fast conclusion as to whether an issue is screen reader related versus something else (web coding, in this case).  If the behavior is the same, blame the web coding, if it's different, suspect the screen reader.

It could always be an NVDA issue but given the timeline you've described my guess is that it probably won't be.

And, by the way, changes in accessibility when using NVDA, since they have the potential to be caused by NVDA, are definitely questions related to the use of NVDA.  If it's determined NVDA is not where the fault lies, only after that would the topic not be related to NVDA.  And reporting back that one has determined where the fault lies is perfectly OK, too.  This is what users need to know.
 
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Puritanism:  The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.

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locked Re: NVDA and the Wells Fargo web page

Pascal Lambert <coccinelle86@...>
 

Thank you Brian.  I tried using Narrator and had the same result.  An NVDA and Wells Fargo user just suggested to use CTRL-Enter to open the menu.  I will check it right now and let you know in case others run into the same issue.

Blessings

Pascal

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, June 28, 2019 9:17 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and the Wells Fargo web page

 

On Fri, Jun 28, 2019 at 07:54 AM, Pascal Lambert wrote:

Wells Fargo had an issue a month ago with scheduling payment and they fixed it.  The fix might be the cause for those of us who use a screen reader.  I am talking to them about it and I just want to make sure it is not an NVDA issue.

Pascal, do you use (even as a secondary) any other screen reader?   If so, try accessing the same controls with it.  This is one way that one can come to a reasonably fast conclusion as to whether an issue is screen reader related versus something else (web coding, in this case).  If the behavior is the same, blame the web coding, if it's different, suspect the screen reader.

It could always be an NVDA issue but given the timeline you've described my guess is that it probably won't be.

And, by the way, changes in accessibility when using NVDA, since they have the potential to be caused by NVDA, are definitely questions related to the use of NVDA.  If it's determined NVDA is not where the fault lies, only after that would the topic not be related to NVDA.  And reporting back that one has determined where the fault lies is perfectly OK, too.  This is what users need to know.
 
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Puritanism:  The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.

        ~ H.L. Mencken

 

 


locked Re: NVDA and the Wells Fargo web page

 

On Fri, Jun 28, 2019 at 07:54 AM, Pascal Lambert wrote:
Wells Fargo had an issue a month ago with scheduling payment and they fixed it.  The fix might be the cause for those of us who use a screen reader.  I am talking to them about it and I just want to make sure it is not an NVDA issue.
Pascal, do you use (even as a secondary) any other screen reader?   If so, try accessing the same controls with it.  This is one way that one can come to a reasonably fast conclusion as to whether an issue is screen reader related versus something else (web coding, in this case).  If the behavior is the same, blame the web coding, if it's different, suspect the screen reader.

It could always be an NVDA issue but given the timeline you've described my guess is that it probably won't be.

And, by the way, changes in accessibility when using NVDA, since they have the potential to be caused by NVDA, are definitely questions related to the use of NVDA.  If it's determined NVDA is not where the fault lies, only after that would the topic not be related to NVDA.  And reporting back that one has determined where the fault lies is perfectly OK, too.  This is what users need to know.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

Puritanism:  The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.

        ~ H.L. Mencken

 

 


Re: Does Instant Translator still work?

Daniel Damacena
 

I don't know if it is working currently, but I recommend qtranslate (q translate). It is quite light, simple and has hotkeys, which you can change, to access it's features rapidly.


Re: Windows10.1903 and NVDA’s saying Volume level?

 

Hi,
The way it is implemented requires an option to turn off notifications, which isn't possible for a certain type of notification used for these. I'll look into resolving this shortly.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerardo Corripio
Sent: Friday, June 28, 2019 5:40 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Windows10.1903 and NVDA’s saying Volume level?

Yesterday afternoon, I updated my HP Pavilion Laptop to Windows10.1903 with latest stable NVDA; I’m really enjoying the new characteristic in which when pressing FN+F7&F8 to lower and raise the Laptop’s volume (on some Laptops like my previous one this was FN+F8&F9), NVDA says Volume Level, thus making it a blast to be able to determine if the volume is at the adequate level! I’d like, if 1.-the option of turning this off and on would be available; I’m aware not everyone likes this characteristic.
2.-If it’d say the volume percentage as one slides the volume control with the before-mentioned keys?

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE de Telcel


locked Re: NVDA and the Wells Fargo web page

 

Carlos,

This has "NOTHING!" to do with NVDA!

Weird... I just read something about NVDA on this very same topic.

Pascal wrote:
I am talking to them about it and I just want to make sure it is not an NVDA issue
Nonetheless, I think it's the moderators' role to tell what's and what's not on topic and as far as I know you aren't one of them. Sorry if I'm going wrong on this one!

Sometimes I just think that you all on this "that's not NVDA related" side of the fence just overdo it. Also remember that if this is an offtopic at all, answering it will make the topic more and more alive so if you really think something is offtopic and you aren't on the role to have a say about it, you should just wait for the topic to die.

Just my two cents.

Now, supposedly I should shut up because well, that's not my role as well. *smiles*

Cheers,
Marcio AKA Starboy

Sent from a galaxy far, far away.

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Windows10.1903 and NVDA’s saying Volume level?

Gerardo Corripio
 

Yesterday afternoon, I updated my HP Pavilion Laptop to Windows10.1903 with latest stable NVDA; I’m really enjoying the new characteristic in which when pressing FN+F7&F8 to lower and raise the Laptop’s volume (on some Laptops like my previous one this was FN+F8&F9), NVDA says Volume Level, thus making it a blast to be able to determine if the volume is at the adequate level! I’d like, if
1.-the option of turning this off and on would be available; I’m aware not everyone likes this characteristic.
2.-If it’d say the volume percentage as one slides the volume control with the before-mentioned keys?

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE de Telcel


Does Instant Translator still work?

Mallard
 

Hello all,


I'm wondering whether the Instant Translator add-on still works. I would really need it.

Ciao,thanks,

Ollie


locked Re: NVDA and the Wells Fargo web page

Carlos
 

This has "NOTHING!" to do with NVDA!

    Please stop cluttering up the list with non-NVDA related issues!

    Please take this one to the chat list or some other browser related list!


    Clutter!!!!!!!!!!


On 6/28/2019 4:54 AM, Pascal Lambert wrote:

Hi all,

First, anyone using Wells Fargo that is encountering the same problem that is opening combo boxes or list to choose from such in the “from account” and the “to account” to make payment?

It is only recently that I started encountering the problem.  Wells Fargo had an issue a month ago with scheduling payment and they fixed it.  The fix might be the cause for those of us who use a screen reader.  I am talking to them about it and I just want to make sure it is not an NVDA issue.  Please help.

Many thanks

Blessings

Pascal 

-- 

Windows 10 Home, 64 Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362 - NVDA Version 2019.1.1


locked NVDA and the Wells Fargo web page

Pascal Lambert <coccinelle86@...>
 

Hi all,

First, anyone using Wells Fargo that is encountering the same problem that is opening combo boxes or list to choose from such in the “from account” and the “to account” to make payment?

It is only recently that I started encountering the problem.  Wells Fargo had an issue a month ago with scheduling payment and they fixed it.  The fix might be the cause for those of us who use a screen reader.  I am talking to them about it and I just want to make sure it is not an NVDA issue.  Please help.

Many thanks

Blessings

Pascal 


Re: Couple questions about portable version of NVDA

Luke Davis
 

On Fri, 28 Jun 2019, Nimer Jaber wrote:

1. Narrator does not require saving settings before they are applied.
I do not know if Narrator includes one-step settings that can render it useless to the user upon next launch, so I can not comment.

2. Windows does not require saving settings before they are applied.
This would be equivalent, approximately, to changing major display settings that could make the display un-viewable by a sighted user.
I have not tried this recently, but at the very least, the last time I did do something like that, I had to select "OK", before the setting was saved.
That may or may not still be the case.
If it is not, however, I do know that I can always boot the machine in safe mode, and will then be able to see the display, make any adjustments, and reboot. Well, I won't, but someone will who can actually see it.
So my response to your point 2, is that Windows either requires you to hit OK, which is a second step save of the settings, or it provides you an emergency way out. That aside, such settings are much more difficult to change, than the three or four keystrokes it takes to make default NVDA unusable on next launch as I described in my last message.

> 3. Voiceover does not require saving settings before they are applied.

Quite right.

Blind people don't need coddling. It is the responsibility of each individual to learn and know how to operate the screen reader. In any of the cases
They don't. But we don't need to make it potentially more difficult for them just because we can, either.
As Gene pointed out: users confident enough in their abilities to use an auto-save feature, should be free to turn it on.
Users do not even have to memorize the "absolutely pointless command" NVDA-ctrl-c. There is a "save configuration" option on the NVDA main menu, that is not unlike the save option in any other program.

described, simply changing the profile with a couple of presses of the keyboard, or simply reverting the settings would do the trick. I don't reboot my
computer at the hint of anything that doesn't work correctly, and if trainers teach this, it is puzzling. Especially because, in your cases, since the
The situation I described is not a "hint". It is a shouted declarative that "you can't use this computer any more. Fix it some how" The user can't do anything else until the problem is resolved. An inexperienced user will find that a very disconcerting situation, I assure you.

I did not mean to suggest "trainers". I was speaking of being "trained" in the Pavlovian sense. What is the most common advice anyone with a computer problem, sighted, blind, or otherwise, is given? "Did you try rebooting?" Even the NVDA bug report issue template has as one of its mandatory questions: "Does the problem persist after you reboot?" Rebooting to solve otherwise insurmountable problems (insurmountable from the prospective of the user, not unsolvable by someone with sufficient technical knowledge) is Windows 101 from the days of Windows 3.1. It appears in nearly every Microsoft support thread I have ever read, and is the first step on a great many Windows technical support calls for various reasons.

speech would be unintelligible, users would probably have to hold down the power button to turn off the computer, right?
Maybe, though sometimes just pressing the power button is enough. It rather depends on your configuration. Never the less in my example, any sighted assistant unfamiliar with NVDA, is likely to be able to restart with a mouse, and is likely to try it.

Anyway, if you want to argue with me further, bring the topic somewhere else. At the end of the day, your opinions and mine don't matter very much in the
scheme of this thread. Answer questions, interject fewer opinions, lose the argumentative, arrogant style, and you may be liked and respected a bit more.
I apologize for any apparent arrogance. None was intended. I have no interest in arguing with you beyond the scope of the merits of whether the setting is best in its default or not, which was the original question relative to NVDA. And I have likely said all I need to about my opinion of that.

As to whether I am liked and respected: I am unclear as to its relevance to NVDA, or to anything, really, so will refrain from commenting.

Luke