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Re: Pycharm with nvda

Jonathan COHN
 

I would recommend using a true text editor when working with Python  code. Notepad++ works fairly well. I have also heard good things about visual studio.

If you are throwing commands at python interpreter, the NVDA console could be used but there are several advantages to using an independent editor that also understands Python syntax.

 

From: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of farhan israk <fahim.net.2014@...>
Reply-To: "nvda@nvda.groups.io" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Date: Saturday, June 29, 2019 at 2:51 PM
To: "nvda@nvda.groups.io" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] Pycharm with nvda

 

Which version of pycharm is accessible with nvda? I don't get sound feedback during writing code despite type word and character is on. Nvda doesn't read anything of menu bar.
moderated Re: Finding out of time in Nvda

Sarah k Alawami
 

How about nvda f12? Pressing this twice revieals the date as well.

Take care

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On 30 Jun 2019, at 4:51, Jarek.Krcmar wrote:

Hi group,

I would like to know whether exists a possibility to find out in Nvda the time.

Does exist an abbreviation for it?

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Jarek
moderated Re: Finding out of time in Nvda

Samuel Kacer
 

Yeah, just press NVDA key + F12, by default.
moderated Re: Finding out of time in Nvda

Brian Vogel
 

And as a general helpful tip for this sort of thing, always check the Quick Commands Guide, which is simple when NVDA's running:

NVDA Key + N, H, Q   Opens the Quick Commands Reference in your default web browser.  Then search based on a keyword related to the command you're seeking.  Doing so for the word time takes you straight to the Report Date/Time command, which Monte's already given.
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Re: Problem With Microsoft Insiders Page For Downloading and Testing The New Edge Browser

Kenny <kwashingtonbox@...>
 

Once you click on the Windows 10 button for download, scroll down to the bottom of page. You'll notice a link tagged "Accept and download." You click/press [Enter] on it to begin the download process. There are also two other check boxes for acceptance of terms (Which are checked as default) right above that link.


Whenever you encounter a situation when clicking on a link or button element on a webpage and nothing seems to happen, scroll down to the very bottom of the page. ([Ctrl+End]) Then start arrowing up to locate related information linked to what you clicked. You can also navigate to the very top of the page ([Ctrl+Home]) and start arrowing down. There's usually some sort of Html popover page that has been triggered that you need to interact with to continue the process.

On 6/29/2019 8:22 PM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Group,

To reproduce this issue:
1.  Visit https://www.microsoftedgeinsider.com/en-us/download/
2.  Navigate to the Dev (development version) the best stable version.
3.  There is a button associated with the download of this browser for Windows 10.
4.  Try activating it.
5.  The result is that whether you press enter, space bar or route review to the button and left click, nothing happens.

I would be interested to see if anyone else experiences the same issue.
moderated Re: Finding out of time in Nvda

Jarek.Krcmar
 

Hi Monte,

thank you for your information.

I am glad, it works.

Jarek

Dne 30.06.2019 v 13:55 Monte Single napsal(a):

Hold down the insert key and press f12 to hear the time.
Hold down the insert key and press f12 twice quickly and you will hear the
date.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Jarek.Krcmar
Sent: June-30-19 5:51 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Finding out of time in Nvda

Hi group,

I would like to know whether exists a possibility to find out in Nvda the
time.

Does exist an abbreviation for it?


--
Jarek





--
Jarek
moderated Re: Finding out of time in Nvda

Monte Single
 

Hold down the insert key and press f12 to hear the time.
Hold down the insert key and press f12 twice quickly and you will hear the
date.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Jarek.Krcmar
Sent: June-30-19 5:51 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Finding out of time in Nvda

Hi group,

I would like to know whether exists a possibility to find out in Nvda the
time.

Does exist an abbreviation for it?


--
Jarek
moderated Finding out of time in Nvda

Jarek.Krcmar
 

Hi group,

I would like to know whether exists a possibility to find out in Nvda the time.

Does exist an abbreviation for it?


--
Jarek
Re: Problem With Microsoft Insiders Page For Downloading and Testing The New Edge Browser

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Group,

Thanks for the heads up on this one. Usually, I'm pretty good at scopingout such issues, but this time, you had to read through the whole license agreement and then way at the very end was an actual link that said 'accept and download.'  A bit clumsy, but usable once you know what is going on.

On 6/29/2019 8:43 PM, Rui Fontes wrote:
Hello!

You wrote:
4.  Try activating it.
5.  The result is that whether you press enter, space bar or route review to the button and left click, nothing happens.
After that, press H and you will land in a section about licensing terms...
With Tab you will move to a link named Accept and download ...

Rui Fontes

I would be interested to see if anyone else experiences the same issue.

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Re: Problem With Microsoft Insiders Page For Downloading and Testing The New Edge Browser

Gene
 

That wasn't for clickable items.  That was for mouse over links.  But perhaps something like that might be done for what I'm discussing.  The problem is how the screen-reader would know when to report something.  With mouse over links it did so when you used a special mouse over command, but this would be for activating standard controls.
 
Gene

----- Original message -----
Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2019 10:54 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problem With Microsoft Insiders Page For Downloading and Testing The New Edge Browser

When I first saw clickables etc way back a zillion years ago, I remember jfw saying Page changed at line x. You would then go to line x and see the change. Maybe something like that?

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website. This is also our libsyn page as well.
For stuff we sell, mac training materials and  tutorials go here.
and for hosting options go here
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Our telegram channel is also a good place for an announce only in regard to podcasts, contests, etc.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 29 Jun 2019, at 20:29, Gene wrote:

I just looked at what happens when you activate the button.  a license agreement is presented at the bottom of the page, as shown by a screen-reader.  To a sighted person, the agreement might be along the right of the page, I don't know.  To a blind user, the accept and download link is the last thing on the page, below the lisence agreement. 
 
I asked about NVDA speaking new content after an action is taken such as activating a button.  But this page illustrates the difficulty in implementing such a feature.  You probably wouldn't want the license agreement read, just the accept and agree button or maybe a senteence of the license agreement and then the button, to alert the reader that both are now present.  But that sort of detailed response might not be practical. 
So how, if at all, should a screen-reader react under such circumstances?
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2019 9:59 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problem With Microsoft Insiders Page For Downloading and Testing The New Edge Browser

I'll look at the page but my question before looking is whether the I agree button is there before you activate the button.  Whether it is or not, the thread brings up a screen-reader question.  Could NVDA be made to know when the screen changes in response to an action?  For example, now and then, something will come up or change on a web page when a user activates a button that the user doesn't expect or know about.  It wouldn't be a good idea to have screen-readers automatically read every change that occurs on screen.  But in specific instances, it would be important.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2019 8:33 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problem With Microsoft Insiders Page For Downloading and Testing The New Edge Browser

There is an agree etc that opens up below the dl section. If you use your button nav you should be able to find it. After that, go back up to the dl section after excepting the license agreement.

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website. This is also our libsyn page as well.
For stuff we sell, mac training materials and  tutorials go here.
and for hosting options go here
to subscribe to the feed click here

Our telegram channel is also a good place for an announce only in regard to podcasts, contests, etc.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 29 Jun 2019, at 17:22, Ron Canazzi wrote:

Hi Group,

To reproduce this issue:
1.  Visit https://www.microsoftedgeinsider.com/en-us/download/
2.  Navigate to the Dev (development version) the best stable version.
3.  There is a button associated with the download of this browser for Windows 10.
4.  Try activating it.
5.  The result is that whether you press enter, space bar or route review to the button and left click, nothing happens.

I would be interested to see if anyone else experiences the same issue.

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Re: Windows10.1903 and NVDA’s saying Volume level?

Shaun Everiss
 

I do like it except that it will repeat it constantly when adjusting and lag behind in doing so.

When you plug or unplug a speaker or headset the volume is also announced.

On 30/06/2019 10:22 AM, Stephanie Smeader wrote:
I like that when NVDA tells us what our volume levels are!


.
Re: NVDA crash.

Sarah k Alawami
 

AAre you also usign eloquence? We've I think already confirmed it is a problem with a word, or something. If you are, contact code factory and se if they can fix it.

Take care and good luck.

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website. This is also our libsyn page as well.
For stuff we sell, mac training materials and  tutorials go here.
and for hosting options go here
to subscribe to the feed click here

Our telegram channel is also a good place for an announce only in regard to podcasts, contests, etc.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 29 Jun 2019, at 21:09, Arlene wrote:

Confirm your problem. I am using google Chrome with the latest NVDA

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Chantelle Buys
Sent: June 29, 2019 3:54 AM
To: nvda
Subject: [nvda] NVDA crash.

 

Afternoon everyone.

 

I've just come across a problem and after testing it on google chrome

and internet explorer I think that it may be NVDA.

 

I'm trying to read a chapter of a story but, halfway down NVDA would

restart. I don't know if it's because of the amount of text or what

but, I've never had this problem before.

 

The restarts happens when it gets to the line. "Things were taking a

dangerous turn.

Biggs picked up a branch that was tangled in the long-dried weeds that

Winston had eradicated."

 

Here's the link to the chapter

https://www.fanfiction.net/s/13258648/35/A-Quiet-Day

 

Can someone test it and see if their NVDA does this as well?

 

Thanks.

 

Chantelle

--

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Re: NVDA crash.

Arlene
 

Confirm your problem. I am using google Chrome with the latest NVDA

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Chantelle Buys
Sent: June 29, 2019 3:54 AM
To: nvda
Subject: [nvda] NVDA crash.

 

Afternoon everyone.

 

I've just come across a problem and after testing it on google chrome

and internet explorer I think that it may be NVDA.

 

I'm trying to read a chapter of a story but, halfway down NVDA would

restart. I don't know if it's because of the amount of text or what

but, I've never had this problem before.

 

The restarts happens when it gets to the line. "Things were taking a

dangerous turn.

Biggs picked up a branch that was tangled in the long-dried weeds that

Winston had eradicated."

 

Here's the link to the chapter

https://www.fanfiction.net/s/13258648/35/A-Quiet-Day

 

Can someone test it and see if their NVDA does this as well?

 

Thanks.

 

Chantelle

--

Never give up, at any cost.

 

 

 
Re: Problem With Microsoft Insiders Page For Downloading and Testing The New Edge Browser

Sarah k Alawami
 

When I first saw clickables etc way back a zillion years ago, I remember jfw saying Page changed at line x. You would then go to line x and see the change. Maybe something like that?

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website. This is also our libsyn page as well.
For stuff we sell, mac training materials and  tutorials go here.
and for hosting options go here
to subscribe to the feed click here

Our telegram channel is also a good place for an announce only in regard to podcasts, contests, etc.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 29 Jun 2019, at 20:29, Gene wrote:

I just looked at what happens when you activate the button.  a license agreement is presented at the bottom of the page, as shown by a screen-reader.  To a sighted person, the agreement might be along the right of the page, I don't know.  To a blind user, the accept and download link is the last thing on the page, below the lisence agreement. 
 
I asked about NVDA speaking new content after an action is taken such as activating a button.  But this page illustrates the difficulty in implementing such a feature.  You probably wouldn't want the license agreement read, just the accept and agree button or maybe a senteence of the license agreement and then the button, to alert the reader that both are now present.  But that sort of detailed response might not be practical. 
So how, if at all, should a screen-reader react under such circumstances?
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2019 9:59 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problem With Microsoft Insiders Page For Downloading and Testing The New Edge Browser

I'll look at the page but my question before looking is whether the I agree button is there before you activate the button.  Whether it is or not, the thread brings up a screen-reader question.  Could NVDA be made to know when the screen changes in response to an action?  For example, now and then, something will come up or change on a web page when a user activates a button that the user doesn't expect or know about.  It wouldn't be a good idea to have screen-readers automatically read every change that occurs on screen.  But in specific instances, it would be important.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2019 8:33 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problem With Microsoft Insiders Page For Downloading and Testing The New Edge Browser

There is an agree etc that opens up below the dl section. If you use your button nav you should be able to find it. After that, go back up to the dl section after excepting the license agreement.

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website. This is also our libsyn page as well.
For stuff we sell, mac training materials and  tutorials go here.
and for hosting options go here
to subscribe to the feed click here

Our telegram channel is also a good place for an announce only in regard to podcasts, contests, etc.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 29 Jun 2019, at 17:22, Ron Canazzi wrote:

Hi Group,

To reproduce this issue:
1.  Visit https://www.microsoftedgeinsider.com/en-us/download/
2.  Navigate to the Dev (development version) the best stable version.
3.  There is a button associated with the download of this browser for Windows 10.
4.  Try activating it.
5.  The result is that whether you press enter, space bar or route review to the button and left click, nothing happens.

I would be interested to see if anyone else experiences the same issue.

--
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They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
Re: Problem With Microsoft Insiders Page For Downloading and Testing The New Edge Browser

Gene
 

I just looked at what happens when you activate the button.  a license agreement is presented at the bottom of the page, as shown by a screen-reader.  To a sighted person, the agreement might be along the right of the page, I don't know.  To a blind user, the accept and download link is the last thing on the page, below the lisence agreement. 
 
I asked about NVDA speaking new content after an action is taken such as activating a button.  But this page illustrates the difficulty in implementing such a feature.  You probably wouldn't want the license agreement read, just the accept and agree button or maybe a senteence of the license agreement and then the button, to alert the reader that both are now present.  But that sort of detailed response might not be practical. 
So how, if at all, should a screen-reader react under such circumstances?
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gene
Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2019 9:59 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problem With Microsoft Insiders Page For Downloading and Testing The New Edge Browser

I'll look at the page but my question before looking is whether the I agree button is there before you activate the button.  Whether it is or not, the thread brings up a screen-reader question.  Could NVDA be made to know when the screen changes in response to an action?  For example, now and then, something will come up or change on a web page when a user activates a button that the user doesn't expect or know about.  It wouldn't be a good idea to have screen-readers automatically read every change that occurs on screen.  But in specific instances, it would be important.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2019 8:33 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problem With Microsoft Insiders Page For Downloading and Testing The New Edge Browser

There is an agree etc that opens up below the dl section. If you use your button nav you should be able to find it. After that, go back up to the dl section after excepting the license agreement.

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website. This is also our libsyn page as well.
For stuff we sell, mac training materials and  tutorials go here.
and for hosting options go here
to subscribe to the feed click here

Our telegram channel is also a good place for an announce only in regard to podcasts, contests, etc.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 29 Jun 2019, at 17:22, Ron Canazzi wrote:

Hi Group,

To reproduce this issue:
1.  Visit https://www.microsoftedgeinsider.com/en-us/download/
2.  Navigate to the Dev (development version) the best stable version.
3.  There is a button associated with the download of this browser for Windows 10.
4.  Try activating it.
5.  The result is that whether you press enter, space bar or route review to the button and left click, nothing happens.

I would be interested to see if anyone else experiences the same issue.

--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
Re: Problem With Microsoft Insiders Page For Downloading and Testing The New Edge Browser

Gene
 

I'll look at the page but my question before looking is whether the I agree button is there before you activate the button.  Whether it is or not, the thread brings up a screen-reader question.  Could NVDA be made to know when the screen changes in response to an action?  For example, now and then, something will come up or change on a web page when a user activates a button that the user doesn't expect or know about.  It wouldn't be a good idea to have screen-readers automatically read every change that occurs on screen.  But in specific instances, it would be important.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2019 8:33 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problem With Microsoft Insiders Page For Downloading and Testing The New Edge Browser

There is an agree etc that opens up below the dl section. If you use your button nav you should be able to find it. After that, go back up to the dl section after excepting the license agreement.

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website. This is also our libsyn page as well.
For stuff we sell, mac training materials and  tutorials go here.
and for hosting options go here
to subscribe to the feed click here

Our telegram channel is also a good place for an announce only in regard to podcasts, contests, etc.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 29 Jun 2019, at 17:22, Ron Canazzi wrote:

Hi Group,

To reproduce this issue:
1.  Visit https://www.microsoftedgeinsider.com/en-us/download/
2.  Navigate to the Dev (development version) the best stable version.
3.  There is a button associated with the download of this browser for Windows 10.
4.  Try activating it.
5.  The result is that whether you press enter, space bar or route review to the button and left click, nothing happens.

I would be interested to see if anyone else experiences the same issue.

--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
Re: Problem With Microsoft Insiders Page For Downloading and Testing The New Edge Browser

Robert Kingett
 

Post 3 explained how to do it, but I want to say it again for anybody who refuses to, or does not know how to, look at threads on the website. I'm not following this thread, so it's very possible I'm adding to a repeating chain as we speak, but anyway, here we go!

  1. After hitting enter on the download button, there is a pop out module, thing, that dims the screen a bit. For screen reader users, it has a giant heading that says terms and agreement.
  2. Once focus is on that heading, enter focus mode and then hit tab. Sure, you can do this without focus mode, but whatever.
  3. Hit enter on the link that says, agree and download.

I spent five minutes looking for a checkbox, a button, something other than a link.

If it helps, sighted people think the page is broken too. For sighties, I'm told, it appears in a very tiny square window at the bottom right of the screen.

I'm waiting on the beta. All the same, I'm extremely excited for the release of this new Edge. I can't wait to replace this Edge with the new stable Edge.
Re: Problem With Microsoft Insiders Page For Downloading and Testing The New Edge Browser

Sarah k Alawami
 

There is an agree etc that opens up below the dl section. If you use your button nav you should be able to find it. After that, go back up to the dl section after excepting the license agreement.

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website. This is also our libsyn page as well.
For stuff we sell, mac training materials and  tutorials go here.
and for hosting options go here
to subscribe to the feed click here

Our telegram channel is also a good place for an announce only in regard to podcasts, contests, etc.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 29 Jun 2019, at 17:22, Ron Canazzi wrote:

Hi Group,

To reproduce this issue:
1.  Visit https://www.microsoftedgeinsider.com/en-us/download/
2.  Navigate to the Dev (development version) the best stable version.
3.  There is a button associated with the download of this browser for Windows 10.
4.  Try activating it.
5.  The result is that whether you press enter, space bar or route review to the button and left click, nothing happens.

I would be interested to see if anyone else experiences the same issue.

--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
Re: Problem With Microsoft Insiders Page For Downloading and Testing The New Edge Browser

Rui Fontes
 

Hello!

You wrote:
4.  Try activating it.
5.  The result is that whether you press enter, space bar or route review to the button and left click, nothing happens.
After that, press H and you will land in a section about licensing terms...
With Tab you will move to a link named Accept and download ...

Rui Fontes

I would be interested to see if anyone else experiences the same issue.
Re: Problem With Microsoft Insiders Page For Downloading and Testing The New Edge Browser

Brian Vogel
 

This has been discussed at length on the Windows 10 for Screen Reader Users forum, and it's not just you and it's not just screen reader users.  That page is more than a bit of an accessibility nightmare even for those of us trying to simply point and click.

My response on the Win10 group, with a direct download link, because the page is "irregular" in more ways than one:  https://win10.groups.io/g/win10/message/35885 

Direct download link for Development MS-Edge, which brings up a save dialog immediately (and I just tested it and it's still working):  
https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?linkid=2084648&Channel=Dev&language=en-us&Consent=0&IID=0e01823b-e21a-5c47-9974-3e94850ff9d4 

All indications are that the issues with this page are not directly related to any screen reader, but due to irregular web coding.
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