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Nonstandard writing systems

Damien Garwood <damien@...>
 

Hi there,
When I am reading articles on the web, more often than not on Wikipedia, I come across two common problems.
1. When looking at articles to do with language, it likes to use IPA symbols. All NVDA gives me is the odd letter, as well as slash symbols and so on. Is this just what NVDA is seeing, or do I need something specialised to read the phonetic pronunciations?
2. Similarly, with mathematical articles, I get spaces that do nothing. I was told that MathPlayer solved this, but even with MathPlayer on its least verbose and lowest level reading setting, I still can't read a formula character by character. Also the way it announces things can be slightly over-technical or different to how I've heard it said in normal conversation.
Any advice on conquering these issues would be greatly appreciated.
Cheers.
Damien.


Re: NVDA does not support line breaks in PDF files

Perry Simm
 

Hi!
I think I figured out what's going on. In issue #7275 it was discussed that Adobe Reader doesn't let NVDA differentiate between the two kinds of line breaks, namely, author-generated line breaks such as in poetry or source code, and line breaks created by Adobe Reader automatically to make the text fit within the window. So it was decided to have NVDA simply strip all line breaks from PDF content.
Technically, NVDA is doing the right thing, and the error lies with incorrectly authored PDF files. However, since these incorrectly authored files abound on the web, I strongly urge developers to prioritize usability above technological perfectionism in this case. JAWS went down this route, and succeeded. This doesn't make this route the correct one always, but this time I believe it would do much more good than harm.
A possible compromise would be to make this behavior dependent upon the NVDA option to honor screen layout in browse mode. Why not strip line breaks when screen layout is turned off, and honor them when it is on?
I fully understand that NVDA is currently doing the technically correct thing. However, in this case it breaks the user experience and puts NVDA at a clear disadvantage compared to its competitor, a disadvantage which, in its conquest to be accepted in workplace environments, it clearly cannot afford.
Cheers Perry


Re: NVDA does not support line breaks in PDF files

Gene
 

You are probably thinking of the number of characters per line setting.  Web pages generally don't have line breaks except where the writer specifically puts one in the text.  But browsers determine the length of lines in general by the size of the window from left to right.  In browse mode, the line length is determined by the screen-reader and I don't think has any relation to the size of the reader.  So you have the ability to set the lines to your desired length. 
 
But PDF documents may have regularly occurring line breaks.  I don't know.  
NVDA uses browse mode and evidently doesn't understand the character used by PDF documents for line breaks.  You can change the length of lines at present by working with the characters per line setting.  This won't follow actual line breaks but may make the document more as you want it.
 
Gene

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Sent: Monday, July 08, 2019 4:51 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA does not support line breaks in PDF files

I cannot answer this definitively but I have encountered similar problem on web pages and the solution then was to change some of the document layout properties of NVDA using NVDA Control and D.

Unfortunately I have gone back to a web page and examined the document layout properties pane and I cannot immediately identify which was the setting I changed at the  time.

Someone else may remember what property I am thinking of.

I hope I am not sending people off on a wild goose chase.

David Griffith.

 

 

 

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From: Perry Simm via Groups.Io
Sent: 08 July 2019 10:00
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA does not support line breaks in PDF files

 

Hi!

When reading a PDF with NVDA in Adobe Reader, I find that NVDA does not honor line breaks. To illustrate, let's say part of the PDF looks like this:

[snip]

Line one

Line two

Line three

[/snip]

When reading this PDF with NVDA, I would get:

[snip]

Line one Line two Line three

[/snip]

Such is the basic nature of the problem I am facing. Now for some auxiliary observations:

1. When exporting the PDF as a text file, the text file ends up having correct line breaks.

2. When reading the PDF with JAWS, line breaks are correctly presented.

3. The problem occurs on three machines, two of them running Windows 10, the third running Windows 7, with both NVDA 2019.1 and current beta of 2019.2.

4. The problem persists after uninstalling and then reinstalling Adobe Reader.

5. The problem persists after repairing the Adobe Reader installation.

Since Adobe Reader itself exports the line breaks correctly, and since JAWS is also seeing them as expected, the problem is clearly with NVDA.

Cheers Perry

 

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Re: NVDA does not support line breaks in PDF files

Perry Simm
 

Hi David,
On Monday, July 8, 2019 11:51 AM, David Griffith <daj.griffith@...> wrote:

I hope I am not sending people off on a wild goose chase.

Don't you worry, sometimes a wild goose chase is a good start, and the more people are thinking about a problem, the more likely a solution will emerge. And I really hope it does emerge soon. This thing is seriously broken.
Cheers Perry


Re: NVDA does not support line breaks in PDF files

David Griffith
 

I cannot answer this definitively but I have encountered similar problem on web pages and the solution then was to change some of the document layout properties of NVDA using NVDA Control and D.

Unfortunately I have gone back to a web page and examined the document layout properties pane and I cannot immediately identify which was the setting I changed at the  time.

Someone else may remember what property I am thinking of.

I hope I am not sending people off on a wild goose chase.

David Griffith.

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Perry Simm via Groups.Io
Sent: 08 July 2019 10:00
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA does not support line breaks in PDF files

 

Hi!

When reading a PDF with NVDA in Adobe Reader, I find that NVDA does not honor line breaks. To illustrate, let's say part of the PDF looks like this:

[snip]

Line one

Line two

Line three

[/snip]

When reading this PDF with NVDA, I would get:

[snip]

Line one Line two Line three

[/snip]

Such is the basic nature of the problem I am facing. Now for some auxiliary observations:

1. When exporting the PDF as a text file, the text file ends up having correct line breaks.

2. When reading the PDF with JAWS, line breaks are correctly presented.

3. The problem occurs on three machines, two of them running Windows 10, the third running Windows 7, with both NVDA 2019.1 and current beta of 2019.2.

4. The problem persists after uninstalling and then reinstalling Adobe Reader.

5. The problem persists after repairing the Adobe Reader installation.

Since Adobe Reader itself exports the line breaks correctly, and since JAWS is also seeing them as expected, the problem is clearly with NVDA.

Cheers Perry

 

Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email.

 

 


NVDA does not support line breaks in PDF files

Perry Simm
 

Hi!
When reading a PDF with NVDA in Adobe Reader, I find that NVDA does not honor line breaks. To illustrate, let's say part of the PDF looks like this:
[snip]
Line one
Line two
Line three
[/snip]
When reading this PDF with NVDA, I would get:
[snip]
Line one Line two Line three
[/snip]
Such is the basic nature of the problem I am facing. Now for some auxiliary observations:
1. When exporting the PDF as a text file, the text file ends up having correct line breaks.
2. When reading the PDF with JAWS, line breaks are correctly presented.
3. The problem occurs on three machines, two of them running Windows 10, the third running Windows 7, with both NVDA 2019.1 and current beta of 2019.2.
4. The problem persists after uninstalling and then reinstalling Adobe Reader.
5. The problem persists after repairing the Adobe Reader installation.
Since Adobe Reader itself exports the line breaks correctly, and since JAWS is also seeing them as expected, the problem is clearly with NVDA.
Cheers Perry

Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email.


Nvda and anouncing number of items

Jarek.Krcmar
 

Hi all,

I would like set Nvda to stop anouncing numbers of items.

Could you give me an advice, please?

Cheer


--
Jarek


Re: Reading epub books with NVDA

Mallard
 

Yes, but again, this isn't an epub reader, but a converter.


As long as we have to convert books and lose all the html benefits, we're not there at all...


Ciao,

Ollie

Il 07/07/2019 00:19, Shaun Everiss ha scritto:
well codex at http://jscholes.net/projects is probably what you want.

I think thats right, its calibre with a frontend and converts your book to whatever you need.

Getting something like dolphin easy reader is 80 bucks, and can read epub, not sure if readers like amis can read epub.



On 6/07/2019 8:51 PM, Felix G. wrote:
Hi folks,
I'm looking for a convenient and easy way to read an epub book with
NVDA. With epub being just html plus metadata and some additional
content wrapped in a zip container, I feel this shouldn't be
complicated. Any helpful pointers would make my day.
I know about Calibre and converting books to docx/pdf/txt. That's not
what I mean. I'd like to be able to open an epub and start reading
without jumping through hoops.
Thanks in advance,
Felix



.


Re: Reading epub books with NVDA

Mallard
 

I agree. Not even Adobe Digital Editions, which would be the official epub and pdf reader for drm-protected books and not only, has serious issues.


I think that the latest versions of Kindle ebooks aer the most usable with NVDA, though not perfect either.


It's incredible that, after all the years we've had epubs around, nobody has come up with a decent epub reader!

Ciao,

Ollie

Il 07/07/2019 04:51, Devin Prater ha scritto:
This is my thought too. Indeed, EPub is HTML, and should be treated as such. It still amazes me that we still don’t have a great eBook reader. Even Read just extracts the text.


On Jul 6, 2019, at 9:48 PM, Sean Murphy <mhysnm1964@gmail.com> wrote:

All,


EPub is HTML. If the reader shows the content as plain text, then it fails as a EPub reader. As you are loosing all the HTMl mark-up structure and other ability of jumping through the books, ETC. Some readers I have use their own TTS engine which I classify this as a failure because you cannot navigate by links, buttons, etc. If there is one that does this, I am very interested in looking at. Personally, for a screen reader this is a duplicate functionality.

The browser option some are not accessible because you cannot find the button to open the Epub or the focus is not placed into the Epub book. Firefox version has this issue. Edge seems to work okay with NVDA, but have not tested in depth.

IF any stand-only EPub readers retain the HTMl structures and also can read Digitally secured versions. I am very interested in checking out with NVDA.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jason White via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, 7 July 2019 10:27 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading epub books with NVDA

Try Chrome with the Readium extension. I haven't used it recently, but it seems to be fairly accessible, and there are accessibility specialists working on it.


On 7/6/19 6:19 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
well codex at http://jscholes.net/projects is probably what you want.

I think thats right, its calibre with a frontend and converts your
book to whatever you need.

Getting something like dolphin easy reader is 80 bucks, and can read
epub, not sure if readers like amis can read epub.



On 6/07/2019 8:51 PM, Felix G. wrote:
Hi folks,
I'm looking for a convenient and easy way to read an epub book with
NVDA. With epub being just html plus metadata and some additional
content wrapped in a zip container, I feel this shouldn't be
complicated. Any helpful pointers would make my day.
I know about Calibre and converting books to docx/pdf/txt. That's not
what I mean. I'd like to be able to open an epub and start reading
without jumping through hoops.
Thanks in advance,
Felix



.






Re: Reading epub books with NVDA

Tyler Spivey
 

I don't consider Balabolka an accessible epub reader.
NVDA uses the display model for its edit field, so say all doesn't work. Say all is one of the most important things you can have in a reader.

On 7/7/2019 6:23 AM, Jarek.Krcmar wrote:
Hi David,
if you have installed some voices, you can select , what you want use in Balabolka.
Reading you can start with the key F5 and stop reading with Key F7.
Youcan save Balabolka in the options.
Jarek
Jarek
Dne 06.07.2019 v 23:31 David Griffith napsal(a):

Hello

I have tried Balabolka with NVDA.

It seems that it is designed to be used with TTS speech engines rather than with NVDA feedback for speech. Say all does not work for example.

I found it worked best with NVDA muted, with sound re-enabled for navigating program controls.

It does work well with some of my IIvona voices for reading.

The one baffling thing is that I cannot seem to retain TTS speech settings after closing Balabolka. So every time I start the app it reverts to Microsoft Hazel and I have to reset all the settings for my Ivona voice.

Does anybody know how to save TTS speech settings in as default in Balabolka? Pressing default in settings simply reverts the TTS settings to thedefault for that voice in terms of rate and pitch etc.

David Griffith

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*From: *Kostadin Kolev <mailto:k.kolev1985@gmail.com>
*Sent: *06 July 2019 13:57
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: [nvda] Reading epub books with NVDA

Hello,

One small correction. Balabolka does support table of contents. It imports it as "named bookmarks", which can be found in the "Bookmarks" menu or by pressing F2.

______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev

На 6.7.2019 г. в 15:43, Aman Singer написа:

Hi,


  The only two programs I know of which support most of Epub's features (tables of contents, notes, links, etc.) on Windows are QRead

https://q-continuum.net/qread/

and Dolphin's Easy Reader

https://yourdolphin.com/products/education/easyreader-for-windows


  QRead is excellent, fast, stable, can open huge files smoothly on very low-power machines, and is basically an amazing application. The author seems to have more or less abandoned it, but I would respectfully suggest it's worth buying for what it is now.

  EasyReader is not as fast or stable, its access to libraries is nice, but it seems to be a package sold to sighted people for blind people to use rather than sold to blind people themselves. I found it unusable generally and gave up on it. Balabolca is really nice but doesn't support, so far as I know, tables of contents at all. I would love to be wrong about this, but it basically makes your epub one long text file. Both Firefox and Edge support opening epubs, though I believe Firefox still needs extensions to do this properly. In any case, I have found that browser support for the files is bad. Navigation is difficult, loading is slow, and some files just don't work. Kurzweil 1000, and I think Openbook, also support Epub, but only as part of their other functions, I wouldn't buy them just for that support. I may say that they're both slower and more unwieldy than QRead for just reading, though obviously they do far more than read. I hope that's of use, and would welcome corrections or additions, it's always good to have many ways of doing things. I am tempted to say that the only really smooth way of reading Epub on Windows is QRead. I wish it weren't so, it's never good to be stuck with one application, particularly when that application has been more or less left and requires online activation, but it's where we are as far as I can see.

Aman

-----Original Message-----

From:nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Felix G.

Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2019 4:51 AM

To:nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Subject: [nvda] Reading epub books with NVDA


Hi folks,

I'm looking for a convenient and easy way to read an epub book with NVDA. With epub being just html plus metadata and some additional content wrapped in a zip container, I feel this shouldn't be complicated. Any helpful pointers would make my day.

I know about Calibre and converting books to docx/pdf/txt. That's not what I mean. I'd like to be able to open an epub and start reading without jumping through hoops.

Thanks in advance,

Felix








Re: Reading epub books with NVDA

Jarek.Krcmar
 

Hi David,

if you have installed some voices, you can select , what you want use in Balabolka.

Reading you can start with the key F5 and stop reading with Key F7.

Youcan save Balabolka in the options.

Jarek

Jarek
Dne 06.07.2019 v 23:31 David Griffith napsal(a):

Hello

I have tried Balabolka with NVDA.

It seems that it is designed to be used with TTS speech engines rather than with NVDA feedback for speech. Say all does not work for example.

I found it worked best with NVDA muted, with sound re-enabled for navigating program controls.

It does work well with some of my IIvona voices for reading.

The one baffling thing is that I cannot seem to retain TTS speech settings after closing Balabolka. So every time I start the app it reverts to Microsoft Hazel and I have to reset all the settings for my Ivona voice.

Does anybody know how to save TTS speech  settings in as default in Balabolka? Pressing default in settings simply reverts the TTS settings to thedefault for that voice in terms of rate and pitch etc.

 

David Griffith

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Kostadin Kolev
Sent: 06 July 2019 13:57
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading epub books with NVDA

 

Hello,

One small correction. Balabolka does support table of contents. It imports it as "named bookmarks", which can be found in the "Bookmarks" menu or by pressing F2.

______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev

На 6.7.2019 г. в 15:43, Aman Singer написа:

Hi,
 
  The only two programs I know of which support most of Epub's features (tables of contents, notes, links, etc.) on Windows are QRead
https://q-continuum.net/qread/
and Dolphin's Easy Reader
https://yourdolphin.com/products/education/easyreader-for-windows
  
  QRead is excellent, fast, stable, can open huge files smoothly on very low-power machines, and is basically an amazing application. The author seems to have more or less abandoned it, but I would respectfully suggest it's worth buying for what it is now.
  EasyReader is not as fast or stable, its access to libraries is nice, but it seems to be a package sold to sighted people for blind people to use rather than sold to blind people themselves. I found it unusable generally and gave up on it. Balabolca is really nice but doesn't support, so far as I know, tables of contents at all. I would love to be wrong about this, but it basically makes your epub one long text file. Both Firefox and Edge support opening epubs, though I believe Firefox still needs extensions to do this properly. In any case, I have found that browser support for the files is bad. Navigation is difficult, loading is slow, and some files just don't work. Kurzweil 1000, and I think Openbook, also support Epub, but only as part of their other functions, I wouldn't buy them just for that support. I may say that they're both slower and more unwieldy than QRead for just reading, though obviously they do far more than read. I hope that's of use, and would welcome corrections or additions, it's always good to have many ways of doing things. I am tempted to say that the only really smooth way of reading Epub on Windows is QRead. I wish it weren't so, it's never good to be stuck with one application, particularly when that application has been more or less left and requires online activation, but it's where we are as far as I can see.
Aman
 -----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Felix G.
Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2019 4:51 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Reading epub books with NVDA
 
Hi folks,
I'm looking for a convenient and easy way to read an epub book with NVDA. With epub being just html plus metadata and some additional content wrapped in a zip container, I feel this shouldn't be complicated. Any helpful pointers would make my day.
I know about Calibre and converting books to docx/pdf/txt. That's not what I mean. I'd like to be able to open an epub and start reading without jumping through hoops.
Thanks in advance,
Felix
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

 


Re: In-Process 5th July

Quentin Christensen
 

Thanks Gene,

We have had a few inquiries recently from banks and the like, which prompted me to add the extra info in.  It is my intention to keep updating the information in various sections of the site to keep them up to date, or relevant to what people want to know.

As always, do please let me know if you have any feedback, or get any thoughts from the people you sent the link to.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Sun, Jul 7, 2019 at 5:56 PM hurrikennyandopo ... <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:

Hi Quentin


I just read the updated sections for the corporate/Government section.


I think they will  answer most of the questions they might ask. I sent the updated sections or actually the link to the page to a couple of people who run large networks to see what sort of feedback may come back. but I think from what i see does the trick.

some of the updated sections I did not know you could do that so am guessing the same for them.


I guess it is a balancing act for security etc.


Gene nz


 

On 5/07/2019 4:56 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi everyone,

NVDA 2019.2 Beta 2, Mick taking a well-deserved break, updates to NVDACon and our Corporate page and details on accessing the Windows notification area, all in this week's In-Process!


Happy 4th of July to those in America, and happy weekend to everyone :)
 
--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

NVDA 2019.2beta1 now available!

--
Image NVDA
        certified expert
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related materials at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net

To find out which library networks in New Zealand have a copy of the NVDA screen reader on them and there library locations please go to http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/nz%20libraries%20with%20nvda.html
To find a NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.



--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

NVDA 2019.2beta1 now available!


Ginger and thonny with nvda

farhan israk
 

How to use ginger and thonny with nvda?


Re: In-Process 5th July

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi Quentin


I just read the updated sections for the corporate/Government section.


I think they will  answer most of the questions they might ask. I sent the updated sections or actually the link to the page to a couple of people who run large networks to see what sort of feedback may come back. but I think from what i see does the trick.

some of the updated sections I did not know you could do that so am guessing the same for them.


I guess it is a balancing act for security etc.


Gene nz


 

On 5/07/2019 4:56 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi everyone,

NVDA 2019.2 Beta 2, Mick taking a well-deserved break, updates to NVDACon and our Corporate page and details on accessing the Windows notification area, all in this week's In-Process!


Happy 4th of July to those in America, and happy weekend to everyone :)
 
--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

NVDA 2019.2beta1 now available!

--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related materials at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net

To find out which library networks in New Zealand have a copy of the NVDA screen reader on them and there library locations please go to http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/nz%20libraries%20with%20nvda.html
To find a NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Re: Reading epub books with NVDA

Devin Prater
 

This is my thought too. Indeed, EPub is HTML, and should be treated as such. It still amazes me that we still don’t have a great eBook reader. Even Read just extracts the text.

On Jul 6, 2019, at 9:48 PM, Sean Murphy <mhysnm1964@gmail.com> wrote:

All,


EPub is HTML. If the reader shows the content as plain text, then it fails as a EPub reader. As you are loosing all the HTMl mark-up structure and other ability of jumping through the books, ETC. Some readers I have use their own TTS engine which I classify this as a failure because you cannot navigate by links, buttons, etc. If there is one that does this, I am very interested in looking at. Personally, for a screen reader this is a duplicate functionality.

The browser option some are not accessible because you cannot find the button to open the Epub or the focus is not placed into the Epub book. Firefox version has this issue. Edge seems to work okay with NVDA, but have not tested in depth.

IF any stand-only EPub readers retain the HTMl structures and also can read Digitally secured versions. I am very interested in checking out with NVDA.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jason White via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, 7 July 2019 10:27 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading epub books with NVDA

Try Chrome with the Readium extension. I haven't used it recently, but it seems to be fairly accessible, and there are accessibility specialists working on it.


On 7/6/19 6:19 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
well codex at http://jscholes.net/projects is probably what you want.

I think thats right, its calibre with a frontend and converts your
book to whatever you need.

Getting something like dolphin easy reader is 80 bucks, and can read
epub, not sure if readers like amis can read epub.



On 6/07/2019 8:51 PM, Felix G. wrote:
Hi folks,
I'm looking for a convenient and easy way to read an epub book with
NVDA. With epub being just html plus metadata and some additional
content wrapped in a zip container, I feel this shouldn't be
complicated. Any helpful pointers would make my day.
I know about Calibre and converting books to docx/pdf/txt. That's not
what I mean. I'd like to be able to open an epub and start reading
without jumping through hoops.
Thanks in advance,
Felix



.







Re: Reading epub books with NVDA

Sean Murphy
 

All,


EPub is HTML. If the reader shows the content as plain text, then it fails as a EPub reader. As you are loosing all the HTMl mark-up structure and other ability of jumping through the books, ETC. Some readers I have use their own TTS engine which I classify this as a failure because you cannot navigate by links, buttons, etc. If there is one that does this, I am very interested in looking at. Personally, for a screen reader this is a duplicate functionality.

The browser option some are not accessible because you cannot find the button to open the Epub or the focus is not placed into the Epub book. Firefox version has this issue. Edge seems to work okay with NVDA, but have not tested in depth.

IF any stand-only EPub readers retain the HTMl structures and also can read Digitally secured versions. I am very interested in checking out with NVDA.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jason White via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, 7 July 2019 10:27 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading epub books with NVDA

Try Chrome with the Readium extension. I haven't used it recently, but it seems to be fairly accessible, and there are accessibility specialists working on it.


On 7/6/19 6:19 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
well codex at http://jscholes.net/projects is probably what you want.

I think thats right, its calibre with a frontend and converts your
book to whatever you need.

Getting something like dolphin easy reader is 80 bucks, and can read
epub, not sure if readers like amis can read epub.



On 6/07/2019 8:51 PM, Felix G. wrote:
Hi folks,
I'm looking for a convenient and easy way to read an epub book with
NVDA. With epub being just html plus metadata and some additional
content wrapped in a zip container, I feel this shouldn't be
complicated. Any helpful pointers would make my day.
I know about Calibre and converting books to docx/pdf/txt. That's not
what I mean. I'd like to be able to open an epub and start reading
without jumping through hoops.
Thanks in advance,
Felix



.


Re: Reading epub books with NVDA

Jason White
 

Try Chrome with the Readium extension. I haven't used it recently, but it seems to be fairly accessible, and there are accessibility specialists working on it.

On 7/6/19 6:19 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
well codex at http://jscholes.net/projects is probably what you want.

I think thats right, its calibre with a frontend and converts your book to whatever you need.

Getting something like dolphin easy reader is 80 bucks, and can read epub, not sure if readers like amis can read epub.



On 6/07/2019 8:51 PM, Felix G. wrote:
Hi folks,
I'm looking for a convenient and easy way to read an epub book with
NVDA. With epub being just html plus metadata and some additional
content wrapped in a zip container, I feel this shouldn't be
complicated. Any helpful pointers would make my day.
I know about Calibre and converting books to docx/pdf/txt. That's not
what I mean. I'd like to be able to open an epub and start reading
without jumping through hoops.
Thanks in advance,
Felix



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Re: Reading epub books with NVDA

john s
 

Ollie, you're welcome. I knew you could do it.

At 04:49 PM 7/6/2019, Mallard, wrote:
Hello John,


Thanks. I thought those zip files were unpacked epubs... I did rename them with the .epub extension, but then NVDDA didn't handle them correctly...


Thanks fory our tip.

Ciao,

Ollie




Il 06/07/2019 13:20, john s ha scritto:
Ollie, from another list, I wanted to tell you how to handle zip files. Just navigate to the file, hit your context key and arrow to extract. Or, maybe it says extract all. By default, the files will be put in a directory under your current directory with the zip file name as the name of the directory. Go into that directory and do what you want with the files.

At 07:02 AM 7/6/2019, Mallard, wrote:



Quread is very good, but it isn't free. I had a very negative experience with Balabolka years ago, because the books were not parsed correctly.


Ciao,

Ollie

Il 06/07/2019 12:03, john s ha scritto:
A program called Balabolka will read them and a paid program, QRead, is good too.

At 04:55 AM 7/6/2019, Andy B., wrote:
Hi,

Have you tried Edge? It opens epub files, and it works with NVDA for the most part.



*From: *Felix G. <mailto:constantlyvariable@gmail.com>
*Sent: *Saturday, July 6, 2019 4:51 AM
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *[nvda] Reading epub books with NVDA

Hi folks,
I'm looking for a convenient and easy way to read an epub book with
NVDA. With epub being just html plus metadata and some additional
content wrapped in a zip container, I feel this shouldn't be
complicated. Any helpful pointers would make my day.
I know about Calibre and converting books to docx/pdf/txt. That's not
what I mean. I'd like to be able to open an epub and start reading
without jumping through hoops.
Thanks in advance,
Felix


John
John


John


Re: Reading epub books with NVDA

 

well codex at http://jscholes.net/projects is probably what you want.

I think thats right, its calibre with a frontend and converts your book to whatever you need.

Getting something like dolphin easy reader is 80 bucks, and can read epub, not sure if readers like amis can read epub.

On 6/07/2019 8:51 PM, Felix G. wrote:
Hi folks,
I'm looking for a convenient and easy way to read an epub book with
NVDA. With epub being just html plus metadata and some additional
content wrapped in a zip container, I feel this shouldn't be
complicated. Any helpful pointers would make my day.
I know about Calibre and converting books to docx/pdf/txt. That's not
what I mean. I'd like to be able to open an epub and start reading
without jumping through hoops.
Thanks in advance,
Felix


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Re: Reading epub books with NVDA

David Griffith
 

Hello

I have tried Balabolka with NVDA.

It seems that it is designed to be used with TTS speech engines rather than with NVDA feedback for speech. Say all does not work for example.

I found it worked best with NVDA muted, with sound re-enabled for navigating program controls.

It does work well with some of my IIvona voices for reading.

The one baffling thing is that I cannot seem to retain TTS speech settings after closing Balabolka. So every time I start the app it reverts to Microsoft Hazel and I have to reset all the settings for my Ivona voice.

Does anybody know how to save TTS speech  settings in as default in Balabolka? Pressing default in settings simply reverts the TTS settings to thedefault for that voice in terms of rate and pitch etc.

 

David Griffith

 

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From: Kostadin Kolev
Sent: 06 July 2019 13:57
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading epub books with NVDA

 

Hello,

One small correction. Balabolka does support table of contents. It imports it as "named bookmarks", which can be found in the "Bookmarks" menu or by pressing F2.

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Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev

На 6.7.2019 г. в 15:43, Aman Singer написа:

Hi,
 
  The only two programs I know of which support most of Epub's features (tables of contents, notes, links, etc.) on Windows are QRead
https://q-continuum.net/qread/
and Dolphin's Easy Reader
https://yourdolphin.com/products/education/easyreader-for-windows
  
  QRead is excellent, fast, stable, can open huge files smoothly on very low-power machines, and is basically an amazing application. The author seems to have more or less abandoned it, but I would respectfully suggest it's worth buying for what it is now.
  EasyReader is not as fast or stable, its access to libraries is nice, but it seems to be a package sold to sighted people for blind people to use rather than sold to blind people themselves. I found it unusable generally and gave up on it. Balabolca is really nice but doesn't support, so far as I know, tables of contents at all. I would love to be wrong about this, but it basically makes your epub one long text file. Both Firefox and Edge support opening epubs, though I believe Firefox still needs extensions to do this properly. In any case, I have found that browser support for the files is bad. Navigation is difficult, loading is slow, and some files just don't work. Kurzweil 1000, and I think Openbook, also support Epub, but only as part of their other functions, I wouldn't buy them just for that support. I may say that they're both slower and more unwieldy than QRead for just reading, though obviously they do far more than read. I hope that's of use, and would welcome corrections or additions, it's always good to have many ways of doing things. I am tempted to say that the only really smooth way of reading Epub on Windows is QRead. I wish it weren't so, it's never good to be stuck with one application, particularly when that application has been more or less left and requires online activation, but it's where we are as far as I can see.
Aman
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Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2019 4:51 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Reading epub books with NVDA
 
Hi folks,
I'm looking for a convenient and easy way to read an epub book with NVDA. With epub being just html plus metadata and some additional content wrapped in a zip container, I feel this shouldn't be complicated. Any helpful pointers would make my day.
I know about Calibre and converting books to docx/pdf/txt. That's not what I mean. I'd like to be able to open an epub and start reading without jumping through hoops.
Thanks in advance,
Felix