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Re: Making NVDA reconsider focus

 

Hi
Press NVDA+F5 for this job.
Cuong

On 7/9/2019 2:16 PM, Perry Simm via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi!
Is there a way to tell NVDA to refresh its notion of what is going on, similarly to what JAWS does when I press insert+escape?
Alternatively, is there an API function one might call to achieve this? I'd be happy to write an add-on for this, and make it available, too.
I'm just tired of having to alt+tab out of something and back into it every time NVDA does its focus tracking failure thingy. In quantum mechanics terms, I'd like to observe without influencing. Yes, I know in QM it's impossible.
On a related note, what's the status with that focus tracking bug? Haven't followed it too closely in recent months, but given its severity, I assume someone's on the case?
Cheers Perry

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Making NVDA reconsider focus

Perry Simm
 

Hi!
Is there a way to tell NVDA to refresh its notion of what is going on, similarly to what JAWS does when I press insert+escape?
Alternatively, is there an API function one might call to achieve this? I'd be happy to write an add-on for this, and make it available, too.
I'm just tired of having to alt+tab out of something and back into it every time NVDA does its focus tracking failure thingy. In quantum mechanics terms, I'd like to observe without influencing. Yes, I know in QM it's impossible.
On a related note, what's the status with that focus tracking bug? Haven't followed it too closely in recent months, but given its severity, I assume someone's on the case?
Cheers Perry

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Using NVDA with Proxy

 

Hi. I've had an issue with NVDA for a while where checking for updates or using Add-on Updater to check for add-on updates doesn't work. I take paid surveys and use other ways of earning passive income, so I have an app on my computer that monitors internet traffic. Keeping it installed on my laptop and Android phone earns me money. On my phone, it uses a VPN, but it uses a proxy on my laptop. Certain NVDA or add-on functions that use the internet don't work with the proxy for some reason, and if I turn it off in Windows 10's proxy settings, the app just turns it back on. The app has no settings of its own. Some Windows 10 apps don't work with it either, but this isn't as big a deal. I've actually had to temporarily uninstall the app and restart my computer if I want to check for NVDA or add-on updates, or check for them manually. Is there any way I can get NVDA to work with the proxy server the app uses? It would be wonderful if this is possible. Thanks.

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Add-on Updater 19.07.1 (experimental): a new way to be notified about add-on updates via Windows 10 toasts #addonrelease

 

Hi all,

 

For the last few days I’ve been researching a way to utilize Windows 10 toasts to notify you of NVDA add-on updates, and today, it will make its debut via Add-on Updater 19.07.1. Note that this is an experimental feature and is disabled by default, and if this experiment is a success (with refinements), it’ll show up enabled in the next add-on release, scheduled the day after NVDA 2019.2 stable is released.

 

How does it work: until now when Add-on Updater detects new add-on updates, it’ll present a dialog box, sometimes interrupting your tasks. Instead of this approach, the new experimental feature will present a toast message when updates are available, directing you to open NVDA menu/Tools/Check for add-on updates to review add-on updates. When toasts appear, depending on which Windows 10 release you are using, press Windows+V on Version 1803 and earlier and Windows+Shift+V in Version 1809 and later. In case you miss this, the notification will show up in Action Center.

 

To configure this behavior, go to NVDA menu/Preferences/Settings/Add-on Updater. You may see an experiment checkbox about toasts. Checking this means toasts will be used, otherwise current behavior (displaying the update results dialog) will be used.

 

Things to note:

 

  1. This feature is exclusive to Windows 10. Consequently, the experiment checkbox will not show up if you are NOT using Windows 10.
  2. By default, the toast experiment checkbox is unchecked; to see the new behavior, you must enable this checkbox.
  3. Toasts will show up if automatic add-on update check is turned on.
  4. Due to limitations with current wxPython toolkit in use by NVDA, toasts are not actionable – that is, toasts will only show that add-on updates are available. wxPython 4.1.0 (in development), powered by wxWidgets 3.1.x, does allow events to be bound to toast actions i.e. allowing you to review add-on updates on the spot.
  5. Because some add-on update files are stored on cloud data centers, there is a time limit – if you take action more than five minutes after appearance of add-on update toast, some add-on updates won’t download.
  6. If you do miss add-on update toasts, they will show up in Action Center (Windows+A).
  7. As noted above, if the experiment is a success, toasts will be enabled permanently starting with the next Add-on Updater release.

 

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Nvda and anouncing number of items

 

Jarek,
I would like set Nvda to stop anouncing numbers of items.

Could you give me an advice, please?
NVDA Menu > Preferences > Settings > Object Presentation
Uncheck the box report object position information

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Marcio AKA Starboy

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Tabs on web Pages

Andy
 

I am noticing that more and more web pages are using tabs to organize their content.  For example, a restaurant web site may use separate tabs on a web page displaying their menu for breakfast, lunch items, etc.  When I hit ENTER or the spacebar on these tabs I hear nothing unless I leave the tab.  I can't read items within the tab, or move among items within the tab.  What keystrokes to I need to use to work with these tabsf?
 
Andy
 


Re: Nonstandard writing systems

 

See this topic from earlier in the year:  https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/topic/30405452

I also had some extensive off-list conversations about the IPA and NVDA.  The only thing I can see working in any meaningful way is letter by letter reading if one can agree on what the letter names for many IPA symbols are.   For myself, even that would be maddening, as when I read the IPA I read it phonetically, sounding out as I go through the transcription.  (Of course, being able to see it has a huge impact on how I read it.)
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vmware workstation issues

 

Hi.

Well just started my podcast using vmware workstation.

This is not about the cast, in brief the following issues I have with vmware workstation 15 as of now.

1.  the edit boxes in vm creation just do not speak.

And the list of virtual machines and controls do not read without ocr, this is on the workstation itself.

I do have player as part of things and that may work a little better, however I brought workstation to get the full range of os choices and it did cost me quite a bundle, and so I would really like to use it fully.


The fields will read fine when they are full of data but not while inputting data.

Could there be an addon for vmware workstation please?


Re: NVDA does not support line breaks in PDF files

Jonathan COHN
 

Because PDF is an evolving format that was initially just used to provide displaying of printed documents, but now including PDF-UA 2 tagging that provides appropriate tagging for distinguishing headings, table titles, list structure etc, often one PDF file can be used appropriately by screen readers while a similar looking file can not. First question to consider:
Were you prompted to use auto tagging when viewing the document? If so, then this means the PDF creator did not create a fully accessible version of the document. One can often find discussions about this on accessibility support discussions.
I currently don't know how to determine if the tagging of the PDF meets a specific PDF-UA standard.
HTH,

Jonathan
 


Weather_Plus 6.8 update available

Adriano Barbieri
 

Hi to every one,


Weather_Plus is currently unable to collect the city recurrences, there are currently problems with retrieving WOEIDs from the database, we hope it will be resolved as soon as possible.
See:
http://woeid.rosselliot.co.nz/
or:
http://www.woeidlookup.com/

Apart from that, however, the addon does work correctly.
This is the only site that still finds city events and provides the respective woeId code:
http://www.findmecity.com/

Changes in this version:
• updated flag necessary for the branches below;
nvda_snapshot_threshold and nvda_snapshot_threshold_py3_staging.
Weather_Plus can update itself, however you can download it from the following pages:
http://www.nvda.it/files/plugin/weather_plus6.8.nvda-addon
Or:
https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/Weather_Plus.en.html
I I wish thank Noelia, Abdel, Rémy, Zvonimir and all the translators for support this addon.


Greetings
Adriano



Re: Nonstandard writing systems

Damien Garwood <damien@...>
 

Hi Sarah,
The problem is, NVDA doesn't even speak some of the symbols. Other times I get what seem to be standard ANSI symbols like / and ', and some actual letters. So I'm not quite sure what is part of the IPA and what isn't.
Is MathML an alternative to MathPlayer?
Cheers,
Damien.

On 08/07/2019 05:35 pm, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
For IPA you need to memorize he symbols unless you want to put their sounds into nvda's dictionary which can be daunting at best.
That's all I can help you with, as I don't use math ml, yet. I took a diction for singers class and we had to memorise the english and italian IPA sounds.
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On 8 Jul 2019, at 9:20, Damien Garwood wrote:
Hi there,
When I am reading articles on the web, more often than not on
Wikipedia, I come across two common problems.
1. When looking at articles to do with language, it likes to use IPA
symbols. All NVDA gives me is the odd letter, as well as slash
symbols and so on. Is this just what NVDA is seeing, or do I need
something specialised to read the phonetic pronunciations?
2. Similarly, with mathematical articles, I get spaces that do
nothing. I was told that MathPlayer solved this, but even with
MathPlayer on its least verbose and lowest level reading setting, I
still can't read a formula character by character. Also the way it
announces things can be slightly over-technical or different to how
I've heard it said in normal conversation.
Any advice on conquering these issues would be greatly appreciated.
Cheers.
Damien.


Re: Nonstandard writing systems

Sarah k Alawami
 

For IPA you need to memorize he symbols unless you want to put their sounds into nvda's dictionary which can be daunting at best.

That's all I can help you with, as I don't use math ml, yet. I took a diction for singers class and we had to memorise the english and italian IPA sounds.

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website. This is also our libsyn page as well.
For stuff we sell, mac training materials and  tutorials go here.
and for hosting options go here
to subscribe to the feed click here

Our telegram channel is also a good place for an announce only in regard to podcasts, contests, etc.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 8 Jul 2019, at 9:20, Damien Garwood wrote:

Hi there,
When I am reading articles on the web, more often than not on Wikipedia, I come across two common problems.
1. When looking at articles to do with language, it likes to use IPA symbols. All NVDA gives me is the odd letter, as well as slash symbols and so on. Is this just what NVDA is seeing, or do I need something specialised to read the phonetic pronunciations?
2. Similarly, with mathematical articles, I get spaces that do nothing. I was told that MathPlayer solved this, but even with MathPlayer on its least verbose and lowest level reading setting, I still can't read a formula character by character. Also the way it announces things can be slightly over-technical or different to how I've heard it said in normal conversation.
Any advice on conquering these issues would be greatly appreciated.
Cheers.
Damien.


Nonstandard writing systems

Damien Garwood <damien@...>
 

Hi there,
When I am reading articles on the web, more often than not on Wikipedia, I come across two common problems.
1. When looking at articles to do with language, it likes to use IPA symbols. All NVDA gives me is the odd letter, as well as slash symbols and so on. Is this just what NVDA is seeing, or do I need something specialised to read the phonetic pronunciations?
2. Similarly, with mathematical articles, I get spaces that do nothing. I was told that MathPlayer solved this, but even with MathPlayer on its least verbose and lowest level reading setting, I still can't read a formula character by character. Also the way it announces things can be slightly over-technical or different to how I've heard it said in normal conversation.
Any advice on conquering these issues would be greatly appreciated.
Cheers.
Damien.


Re: NVDA does not support line breaks in PDF files

Perry Simm
 

Hi!
I think I figured out what's going on. In issue #7275 it was discussed that Adobe Reader doesn't let NVDA differentiate between the two kinds of line breaks, namely, author-generated line breaks such as in poetry or source code, and line breaks created by Adobe Reader automatically to make the text fit within the window. So it was decided to have NVDA simply strip all line breaks from PDF content.
Technically, NVDA is doing the right thing, and the error lies with incorrectly authored PDF files. However, since these incorrectly authored files abound on the web, I strongly urge developers to prioritize usability above technological perfectionism in this case. JAWS went down this route, and succeeded. This doesn't make this route the correct one always, but this time I believe it would do much more good than harm.
A possible compromise would be to make this behavior dependent upon the NVDA option to honor screen layout in browse mode. Why not strip line breaks when screen layout is turned off, and honor them when it is on?
I fully understand that NVDA is currently doing the technically correct thing. However, in this case it breaks the user experience and puts NVDA at a clear disadvantage compared to its competitor, a disadvantage which, in its conquest to be accepted in workplace environments, it clearly cannot afford.
Cheers Perry


Re: NVDA does not support line breaks in PDF files

Gene
 

You are probably thinking of the number of characters per line setting.  Web pages generally don't have line breaks except where the writer specifically puts one in the text.  But browsers determine the length of lines in general by the size of the window from left to right.  In browse mode, the line length is determined by the screen-reader and I don't think has any relation to the size of the reader.  So you have the ability to set the lines to your desired length. 
 
But PDF documents may have regularly occurring line breaks.  I don't know.  
NVDA uses browse mode and evidently doesn't understand the character used by PDF documents for line breaks.  You can change the length of lines at present by working with the characters per line setting.  This won't follow actual line breaks but may make the document more as you want it.
 
Gene

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Sent: Monday, July 08, 2019 4:51 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA does not support line breaks in PDF files

I cannot answer this definitively but I have encountered similar problem on web pages and the solution then was to change some of the document layout properties of NVDA using NVDA Control and D.

Unfortunately I have gone back to a web page and examined the document layout properties pane and I cannot immediately identify which was the setting I changed at the  time.

Someone else may remember what property I am thinking of.

I hope I am not sending people off on a wild goose chase.

David Griffith.

 

 

 

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From: Perry Simm via Groups.Io
Sent: 08 July 2019 10:00
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA does not support line breaks in PDF files

 

Hi!

When reading a PDF with NVDA in Adobe Reader, I find that NVDA does not honor line breaks. To illustrate, let's say part of the PDF looks like this:

[snip]

Line one

Line two

Line three

[/snip]

When reading this PDF with NVDA, I would get:

[snip]

Line one Line two Line three

[/snip]

Such is the basic nature of the problem I am facing. Now for some auxiliary observations:

1. When exporting the PDF as a text file, the text file ends up having correct line breaks.

2. When reading the PDF with JAWS, line breaks are correctly presented.

3. The problem occurs on three machines, two of them running Windows 10, the third running Windows 7, with both NVDA 2019.1 and current beta of 2019.2.

4. The problem persists after uninstalling and then reinstalling Adobe Reader.

5. The problem persists after repairing the Adobe Reader installation.

Since Adobe Reader itself exports the line breaks correctly, and since JAWS is also seeing them as expected, the problem is clearly with NVDA.

Cheers Perry

 

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Re: NVDA does not support line breaks in PDF files

Perry Simm
 

Hi David,
On Monday, July 8, 2019 11:51 AM, David Griffith <daj.griffith@...> wrote:

I hope I am not sending people off on a wild goose chase.

Don't you worry, sometimes a wild goose chase is a good start, and the more people are thinking about a problem, the more likely a solution will emerge. And I really hope it does emerge soon. This thing is seriously broken.
Cheers Perry


Re: NVDA does not support line breaks in PDF files

David Griffith
 

I cannot answer this definitively but I have encountered similar problem on web pages and the solution then was to change some of the document layout properties of NVDA using NVDA Control and D.

Unfortunately I have gone back to a web page and examined the document layout properties pane and I cannot immediately identify which was the setting I changed at the  time.

Someone else may remember what property I am thinking of.

I hope I am not sending people off on a wild goose chase.

David Griffith.

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Perry Simm via Groups.Io
Sent: 08 July 2019 10:00
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA does not support line breaks in PDF files

 

Hi!

When reading a PDF with NVDA in Adobe Reader, I find that NVDA does not honor line breaks. To illustrate, let's say part of the PDF looks like this:

[snip]

Line one

Line two

Line three

[/snip]

When reading this PDF with NVDA, I would get:

[snip]

Line one Line two Line three

[/snip]

Such is the basic nature of the problem I am facing. Now for some auxiliary observations:

1. When exporting the PDF as a text file, the text file ends up having correct line breaks.

2. When reading the PDF with JAWS, line breaks are correctly presented.

3. The problem occurs on three machines, two of them running Windows 10, the third running Windows 7, with both NVDA 2019.1 and current beta of 2019.2.

4. The problem persists after uninstalling and then reinstalling Adobe Reader.

5. The problem persists after repairing the Adobe Reader installation.

Since Adobe Reader itself exports the line breaks correctly, and since JAWS is also seeing them as expected, the problem is clearly with NVDA.

Cheers Perry

 

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NVDA does not support line breaks in PDF files

Perry Simm
 

Hi!
When reading a PDF with NVDA in Adobe Reader, I find that NVDA does not honor line breaks. To illustrate, let's say part of the PDF looks like this:
[snip]
Line one
Line two
Line three
[/snip]
When reading this PDF with NVDA, I would get:
[snip]
Line one Line two Line three
[/snip]
Such is the basic nature of the problem I am facing. Now for some auxiliary observations:
1. When exporting the PDF as a text file, the text file ends up having correct line breaks.
2. When reading the PDF with JAWS, line breaks are correctly presented.
3. The problem occurs on three machines, two of them running Windows 10, the third running Windows 7, with both NVDA 2019.1 and current beta of 2019.2.
4. The problem persists after uninstalling and then reinstalling Adobe Reader.
5. The problem persists after repairing the Adobe Reader installation.
Since Adobe Reader itself exports the line breaks correctly, and since JAWS is also seeing them as expected, the problem is clearly with NVDA.
Cheers Perry

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Nvda and anouncing number of items

Jarek.Krcmar
 

Hi all,

I would like set Nvda to stop anouncing numbers of items.

Could you give me an advice, please?

Cheer


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Re: Reading epub books with NVDA

Mallard
 

Yes, but again, this isn't an epub reader, but a converter.


As long as we have to convert books and lose all the html benefits, we're not there at all...


Ciao,

Ollie

Il 07/07/2019 00:19, Shaun Everiss ha scritto:
well codex at http://jscholes.net/projects is probably what you want.

I think thats right, its calibre with a frontend and converts your book to whatever you need.

Getting something like dolphin easy reader is 80 bucks, and can read epub, not sure if readers like amis can read epub.



On 6/07/2019 8:51 PM, Felix G. wrote:
Hi folks,
I'm looking for a convenient and easy way to read an epub book with
NVDA. With epub being just html plus metadata and some additional
content wrapped in a zip container, I feel this shouldn't be
complicated. Any helpful pointers would make my day.
I know about Calibre and converting books to docx/pdf/txt. That's not
what I mean. I'd like to be able to open an epub and start reading
without jumping through hoops.
Thanks in advance,
Felix



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