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locked Re: Lags With Notepad++

 

hi gene.
i even tried firefox 3.5 and could easily open and use static web
pages and even my gmail!
i could easily send email and emails which i recieved.
i did not test printers, but if i buy one printer some day, i need to
find a compatible version with my laptop.
everythings work perfectly for me except skype, and i really need it!

you mentioned only some of the disadvantages of windows ten and its
crisis and problems are so extended that i am sure that never use it
in my life!
God bless you and his especial mercy i pray for you!

On 7/12/19, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
This message discusses why you will have to upgrade at some point and why I
object to Windows 10 strongly. It also discusses how my objection is
related to screen-reader development. In my opinion, Windows 10 makes
screen-reader developers waste a significant amount of time and resources
constantly changing as Microsoft makes changes that affect accessibility.

At some point, you will have little choice. Increasingly fewer programs
will be supported in XP. Your old browsers will work with fewer and fewer
sites. If you need something new like a printer, no new printers or
scanners will have XP compatible drivers. When XP will become so unusable
that you will be forced to make a change, I don't know.

My main objection to Windows 10 is that there are two full upgrades per
year. Microsoft has demonstrated that it can't properly test two major
upgrades and it is a major inconvenience to upgrade, even if there ar no
problems. Before Windows 10, there were service packs spread out, perhaps
one every two or three years, and in the case of Windows 7, there was only
one. I very much object to Microsoft imposing this level of inconvenience
and potential problems on users. And, from the standpoint of NVDA,
developers have to constantly make changes to accommodate the constant and
unending changes in Windows 10 that affect accessibility. Lee releases one
release after another of the Windows Essential app, for example.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Ron Canazzi
Sent: Friday, July 12, 2019 12:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Lags With Notepad++


Hi Zara,

I also d not like change. I held onto my XP system for years after it
expired. But when I eventually got up enough nerve to upgrade, I did it
big time and I have no issues. If your issues are financial, that's
another item entirely. But if it is simply a fear of the unknown, rest
assured that Windows 10 is no big deal. I bet you would get used to it
in a few days at worst.



On 7/12/2019 12:21 PM, zahra wrote:
i never use ten, even if someone gives me milions of dollars!

On 7/12/19, Arlene <nedster66@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey I know you like xp. Yes it works for you. If you keep on using it
you
are asking for trouble. I had to leave win 7 for that reason! Now I;m on
ten
I don’t like change any better then some blind folk. But like it or not
I
had to change. Both my xp and 7 computers died.so I had no choice.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: zahra
Sent: July 12, 2019 1:11 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Lags With Notepad++

xp is the best operating system for me forever and i dont like newer
versions of windows, i hate windows ten and cant use another operating
systems!

On 7/12/19, Perry Simm via Groups.Io
<perry.simm=protonmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi!

On Friday, July 12, 2019 4:49 AM, zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>
wrote:

notepad++ version 7.7 x86 on windows xp, works perfectly with my
favorite version of nvda, (nvda 2017.2).
Goodness! Please be aware that when you run XP and use the internet in
any
way, not only are you asking for trouble but actively begging for it.
Whatever reasons you may be having, they are most likely invalid.
Cheers Perry



--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali







--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"






--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


Re: Problem about NVDA control and arrow keys

Luke Davis
 

On Fri, 12 Jul 2019, Luke Davis wrote:

The bottom line seems to be that some combinations just don't work with all keyboards, in every expected order.
I should have added an actual solution to this, instead of just implying one. To solve the problem, you have three options.

1. Change the order in which you press the modifiers. That has a slim chance of working.
2. Use a different modifier key.
* If control is required, and the control key you normally use doesn't work, try the other one. Same with shift and alt.
* If NVDA is required, you have two or three possible options of which NVDA key to use: six-pack insert (sometimes along the top somewhere with laptop keyboards, maybe with the FN modifier), numpad 0/insert if you have a numpad, or of course capslock.
3. If you can't modify your choice of modifiers to solve the problem, either because it's too uncomfortable or because it just doesn't work, you are left with remapping the command (and probably its related command, such as the one to go in the other direction) in gesture configuration, to a set of commands that actually work.

Luke


Re: Problem about NVDA control and arrow keys

Luke Davis
 

On Fri, 12 Jul 2019, Marcio via Groups.Io wrote:

I wrote:
In fact, the problem seems to be with the combo Control+Insert+Right arrow.
And you asked:
Did you forget a shift in that last one?
Nah :) I was just saying that the problem seems to be with this combo no matter what else may be involved.
For example I can press Control+Insert+Capslock+right arrow, and I would have the same result.
If you have capslock set as an NVDA modifier key, that is effectively pressing ctrl+NVDA+NVDA+right arrow.
On my system I can't actually do that: I get "control+nvda+nvda" in key describer.

Interestingly, if I attach a USB keyboard, I find that certain combinations are possible, and others impossible:
Capslock+either ctrl+right arrow: succeeds.
Insert+left ctrl+right arrow: fails.
Insert+right ctrl+right arrow: succeeds.

Also, using the insert key on the USB keyboard, along with either ctrl and right arrow on the laptop, succeeds. And yes, I had to use a foot to achieve that particular three handed contortion.

Lastly, sometimes I could get some of these to work, depending on which order I hit the modifier keys.

The bottom line seems to be that some combinations just don't work with all keyboards, in every expected order.

I discovered that because Control+Insert+Right arrow is also an NVDA command, which should be reported with the NVDA+F1 mode on (forgot its name, sorry) and
In laptop mode: Moves the review cursor to the next word of the navigator object and speaks it.

Luke


Re: Problem about NVDA control and arrow keys

 

Luke,

I wrote:
In fact, the problem seems to be with the combo Control+Insert+Right arrow.
And you asked:
Did you forget a shift in that last one?
Nah :) I was just saying that the problem seems to be with this combo no matter what else may be involved.
For example I can press Control+Insert+Capslock+right arrow, and I would have the same result.
I discovered that because Control+Insert+Right arrow is also an NVDA command, which should be reported with the NVDA+F1 mode on (forgot its name, sorry) and it's not being reported either.

Most likely you accidentally remapped it in gesture settings.
Considering the scenario I don't think so. However, if you still think I should try it, please let me know :)

Cheers,
Marcio AKA Starboy

Sent from a galaxy far, far away.

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Stable release: NVDA addon Developer toolkit 2019.0

Andy B.
 

Developer toolkit 2019.0

Download: https://github.com/ajborka/nvda_developer_toolkit/releases/tag/v19.0

Repository: https://www.github.com/ajborka/nvda_developer_toolkit

Mailing list: http://www.groups.io/g/nvda-developer-toolkit

 

Direct any bug reports, feature requests, and Developer toolkit discussion to the repository and mailing list.

 

Official release announcement

Developer toolkit (DTK) is an NVDA add-on that assists blind and visually impaired developers to independently create visually appealing user interfaces or web content. This is done by enabling DTK, navigating around the user interface or web content, then performing gestures to obtain information about the appearance, location, and size of the focused control. To enable or disable DTK, press alt+windows+k on your keyboard. The following gestures are available when DTK is enabled.

Gestures

• Alt+windows+k – Enable or disable DTK.

• Left arrow – Move to previous sibling.

• Right arrow – Move to next sibling.

• Up arrow – Move to parent.

• Down arrow – Move to first child.

• Control+home – Move to top-most parent.

• A – In web content, speak HTML attributes. Press twice quickly to copy to the clipboard.

• B – Speak the position of the object’s bottom edge. Press twice quickly to copy to the clipboard.

• C – Speak the number of children contained inside the object. Press twice quickly to copy to the clipboard.

• Control+d – Enable or disable detailed messages.

• F – In web content, speaks the object’s font and formatting information. Press twice quickly to copy to the clipboard.

• H – Speak the object’s height. Press twice quickly to copy to the clipboard.

• L – Speak the position of the object’s left edge. Press twice quickly to copy to the clipboard.

• R – Speak the position of the object’s right edge. Press twice quickly to copy to the clipboard.

• S – Speak the number of siblings relative to the object. Press twice quickly to copy to the clipboard.

• T – Speak the position of the object’s top edge. Press twice quickly to copy to the clipboard.

• V – Speak Developer toolkit version. Press twice quickly to copy to the clipboard.

• W – Speak the object’s width. Press twice quickly to copy to the clipboard.

Notes

• When using Chrome, not all web elements will appear in the accessibility tree. To force an element to appear in the accessibility tree, give it a title attribute.

• When using Firefox, phantom elements may appear in the accessibility tree. For example, a text frame may appear as a text block’s container. These phantom elements are a part of Mozilla’s implementation of the accessibility tree.

• Edge has not been completely tested. Therefore, anything reported by the add-on should be considered with care.

• In web content, everything except a text block is a container. For instance, a paragraph (p tag) may have multiple elements inside.

• div tags are reported as a section in HTML5.

• To avoid names of web elements appearing as "None", always give elements a title attribute.

• Font information is only available in web content. This should be fixed in a future version.

• Users can now enable or disable DTK on an application basis. For example, enabling it in Chrome doesn’t mean it is enabled in all browsers. Users will have to enable or disable DTK for each application on their system.

• The add-on does not teach a user proper user interface/web content design concepts.

Known issues

• Users are not automatically notified of the enabled/disabled state of the add-on.

• The margins of a control are only available in web content. This will not change for the foreseeable future.

• The border and padding attributes are not available. This is a long-standing issue.

• There is no way to restrict DTK to a specific content type or application window.

• The font information when pressing F is messy, and will get fixed in a future version.

 

 

 


Re: Problem about NVDA control and arrow keys

Luke Davis
 

On Wed, 10 Jul 2019, Marcio via Groups.Io wrote:

when I press nvd a key + control + right and left arrow I can't able to configure rate volume options
Actually, the command is Control+Shift+NVDA+Right/Left arrows to move through the options and Control+Shit+NVDA+Up/Down arrows to configure the option
you've selected.
Marcio, that is only true in laptop layout. In desktop layout, the shift key is not involved.

The OP didn't specify what mode he/she was in, but it is possible that the user expects to be in desktop, and is actually in laptop, which would probably explain the behavior mentioned.

On a related note, I just discovered something curious.
Here, Control+Shift+NVDA+Left arrow works like a charm. However, the same isn't true for the command using the right arrow. In fact, the problem seems to be
with the combo Control+Insert+Right arrow.
Did you forget a shift in that last one?

Can anyone tell me why that is happening? Would my keyboard not be capable of processing this combo at once?
Most likely you accidentally remapped it in gesture settings.

If you can launch a portable copy, you can test whether the problem still exists. There are other ways, of course, but that might be the one that has the least chance of munging up your existing settings.

Luke


Re: Is NVDA really unable to handle LinkedIn and sprintip?

mattias
 

Yes if you using 17 or maybe 20 old operating systems like xp

zahra yes what did you think

Skickades från E-post för Windows 10

 

Från: zahra
Skickat: den 12 juli 2019 04:53
Till: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Ämne: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA really unable to handle LinkedIn and sprintip?

 

hi.

me too.

i really hate linkedin.

one day i subscribed and recieved heavy load, heavy and unresponsive

scripts and overheating and unresponsiveness of my browser, keyboard

or nvda.

simmply i could not use my computer anymore!

i really hate social networks which require powerful system and waiste

system resources!

 

On 7/12/19, JM Casey <jmcasey@...> wrote:

> Not a helpful response, I know, but I hate LinkedIn so much; doesn’t matter

> what screenreader is used, it’s just a pain; I know a lot of sighted people

> feel this way, too.

> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel

> Sent: July 11, 2019 3:32 PM

> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA really unable to handle LinkedIn and sprintip?

> You have asked about two sites that both require login before one can get to

> the spots you're asking about.  Although I'd presume someone here has worked

> with LinkedIn, the same is not necessarily true of sprintip.com.

> You can make no presumptions about what NVDA can or can't do that JAWS might

> or might not be able to do based upon a lack of response.  All you know is

> that no one here can answer your question, at least at this point in time.

> --

> Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362

> The color of truth is grey.

>            ~ André Gide

>

 

 

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By God,

were I given all the seven heavens

with all they contain

in order that

I may disobey God

by depriving an ant

from the husk of a grain of barley,

I would not do it.

imam ali

 

 

 


locked Re: Lags With Notepad++

Gene
 

Interesting.  I hope things improve.  it sounds as though they may.
 
It sounds as though Narrator may be becoming more important to know than it used to be to fill the gap where NVDA doesn't do something well yet.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Friday, July 12, 2019 1:43 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Lags With Notepad++

Hi,

Yes and no, mostly dealing with UI accessibility (not UI Automation) assumptions. Yes, provided that Microsoft do ask employees with disabilities to test UI changes with assistive technologies, or write tests to simulate it; no, because of intraorganizational and intercultural communication issues- I bring up intercultural because disability is a culture, and talking to those outside require communication at the level of cultures.

To elaborate further: most workarounds I’ve cataloged over the past five years has to do with incomplete implementations, which suggests the level of collaboration between accessibility team (including Narrator developers) and other Microsoft teams need to be enhanced. The biggest debacle in this space (which also surprised Microsoft people) was “invalid entry” announcement from NVDA, caused by programming issues from Microsoft side (I and other Insiders had to deal with that for the better part of 2016). Currently the newly released Windows Terminal app for Windows 10 cannot be used by screen reader users (including Narrator users) due to lack of UI Automation implementation from Microsoft (I know I’m saying this for the umpteenth time), which Microsoft did acknowledge and is on the roadmap for future releases.

At least Microsoft is highlighting public-facing accessibility changes and steps taken to make sure screen reader users are treated with respect, but there are things that may need to be implemented (some of them I imagine painful) including unit tests and other cultural changes that will make sure at least Narrator can deal with user interface elements. I know I keep mentioning Narrator as a gold standard on Windows 10, because Narrator is an example of an app that strives to conform to UI Automation and Windows 10 changes, with other screen readers following shortly after (usually NVDA is one of the first third-party screen readers to do so mostly due to my add-on). For this reason, I test UI changes with Narrator and NVDA to make sure both screen readers can stay on the same page in regards to the user interface, and if Narrator fails, that’s the moment I press Windows+F to submit a feedback or two about it because a problem like that will affect everyone.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, July 12, 2019 11:20 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Lags With Notepad++

 

but are the changes Microsoft makes ones that could have been avoided with more planning or development earlier? 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Joseph Lee

Sent: Friday, July 12, 2019 1:18 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Lags With Notepad++

 

Hi,

I release my add-on periodically not only due to changes in Windows 10 itself, but sometimes due to apps. I sometimes end up writing a workaround, only to revert it after I and others submit a feedback and Microsoft fixes it (the most recent case being changes to Settings app in next year’s update that had to be reverted when my own workaround wasn’t needed anymore).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, July 12, 2019 11:10 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Lags With Notepad++

 

This message discusses why you will have to upgrade at some point and why I object to Windows 10 strongly.  It also discusses how my objection is related to screen-reader development.  In my opinion, Windows 10 makes screen-reader developers waste a significant amount of time and resources constantly changing as Microsoft makes changes that affect accessibility.

 

At some point, you will have little choice.  Increasingly fewer programs will be supported in XP.  Your old browsers will work with fewer and fewer sites.  If you need something new like a printer, no new printers or scanners will have XP compatible drivers.  When XP will become so unusable that you will be forced to make a change, I don't know. 

 

My main objection to Windows 10 is that there are two full upgrades per year.  Microsoft has demonstrated that it can't properly test two major upgrades and it is a major inconvenience to upgrade, even if there ar no problems.  Before Windows 10, there were service packs spread out, perhaps one every two or three years, and in the case of Windows 7, there was only one.  I very much object to Microsoft imposing this level of inconvenience and potential problems on users.  And, from the standpoint of NVDA, developers have to constantly make changes to accommodate the constant and unending changes in Windows 10 that affect accessibility.  Lee releases one release after another of the Windows Essential app, for example.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Ron Canazzi

Sent: Friday, July 12, 2019 12:56 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Lags With Notepad++

 

Hi Zara,

I also d not like change.  I held onto my XP system for years after it
expired.  But when I eventually got up enough nerve to upgrade, I did it
big time and I have no issues.  If your issues are financial, that's
another item entirely.  But if it is simply a fear of the unknown, rest
assured that Windows 10 is no big deal.  I bet you would get used to it
in a few days at worst.



On 7/12/2019 12:21 PM, zahra wrote:
> i never use ten, even if someone gives me milions of dollars!
>
> On 7/12/19, Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:
>> Hey I know you like xp. Yes it works for you. If you keep on using it you
>> are asking for trouble. I had to leave win 7 for that reason! Now I;m on ten
>> I don’t like change any better then some blind folk. But like it or not I
>> had to change. Both my xp and 7 computers died.so I had no choice.
>>
>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>>
>> From: zahra
>> Sent: July 12, 2019 1:11 AM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Lags With Notepad++
>>
>> xp is the best operating system for me forever and i dont like newer
>> versions of windows, i hate windows ten and cant use another operating
>> systems!
>>
>> On 7/12/19, Perry Simm via Groups.Io
>> <perry.simm@...> wrote:
>>> Hi!
>>>
>>> On Friday, July 12, 2019 4:49 AM, zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
>>>
>>>> notepad++ version 7.7 x86 on windows xp, works perfectly with my
>>>> favorite version of nvda, (nvda 2017.2).
>>> Goodness! Please be aware that when you run XP and use the internet in
>>> any
>>> way, not only are you asking for trouble but actively begging for it.
>>> Whatever reasons you may be having, they are most likely invalid.
>>> Cheers Perry
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> By God,
>> were I given all the seven heavens
>> with all they contain
>> in order that
>> I may disobey God
>> by depriving an ant
>> from the husk of a grain of barley,
>> I would not do it.
>> imam ali
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

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They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: Is NVDA really unable to handle LinkedIn and sprintip?

John J. Boyer
 

Thanks, Jonathan. I'll try contacting these people. Their sites really should work withNVDA. LinkedIn has an app, but I don't know if they have a version for
Windows 10.

John

On Fri, Jul 12, 2019 at 03:06:21PM +0000, Cohn, Jonathan wrote:
I know that both Sprint and LinkedIn (Microsoft owns LinkedIn btw) have accessibility officer. My LinkedIn connections include a VP of Accessibility at Sprint :-). Have you attempted to work with their accessibility group?

Take care,

Jonathan


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of John J. Boyer
Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2019 2:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Is NVDA really unable to handle LinkedIn and sprintip?
Importance: Low

O
it looks like I will have to get JAWS, since I haven't received any replies to my earlier mesages.

John

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Location: Madison, Wisconsin, USA
Mission: developing assistive technology software and providing STEM services
that are available at no cost


locked Re: Lags With Notepad++

 

Hi,

Yes and no, mostly dealing with UI accessibility (not UI Automation) assumptions. Yes, provided that Microsoft do ask employees with disabilities to test UI changes with assistive technologies, or write tests to simulate it; no, because of intraorganizational and intercultural communication issues- I bring up intercultural because disability is a culture, and talking to those outside require communication at the level of cultures.

To elaborate further: most workarounds I’ve cataloged over the past five years has to do with incomplete implementations, which suggests the level of collaboration between accessibility team (including Narrator developers) and other Microsoft teams need to be enhanced. The biggest debacle in this space (which also surprised Microsoft people) was “invalid entry” announcement from NVDA, caused by programming issues from Microsoft side (I and other Insiders had to deal with that for the better part of 2016). Currently the newly released Windows Terminal app for Windows 10 cannot be used by screen reader users (including Narrator users) due to lack of UI Automation implementation from Microsoft (I know I’m saying this for the umpteenth time), which Microsoft did acknowledge and is on the roadmap for future releases.

At least Microsoft is highlighting public-facing accessibility changes and steps taken to make sure screen reader users are treated with respect, but there are things that may need to be implemented (some of them I imagine painful) including unit tests and other cultural changes that will make sure at least Narrator can deal with user interface elements. I know I keep mentioning Narrator as a gold standard on Windows 10, because Narrator is an example of an app that strives to conform to UI Automation and Windows 10 changes, with other screen readers following shortly after (usually NVDA is one of the first third-party screen readers to do so mostly due to my add-on). For this reason, I test UI changes with Narrator and NVDA to make sure both screen readers can stay on the same page in regards to the user interface, and if Narrator fails, that’s the moment I press Windows+F to submit a feedback or two about it because a problem like that will affect everyone.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, July 12, 2019 11:20 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Lags With Notepad++

 

but are the changes Microsoft makes ones that could have been avoided with more planning or development earlier? 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Joseph Lee

Sent: Friday, July 12, 2019 1:18 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Lags With Notepad++

 

Hi,

I release my add-on periodically not only due to changes in Windows 10 itself, but sometimes due to apps. I sometimes end up writing a workaround, only to revert it after I and others submit a feedback and Microsoft fixes it (the most recent case being changes to Settings app in next year’s update that had to be reverted when my own workaround wasn’t needed anymore).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, July 12, 2019 11:10 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Lags With Notepad++

 

This message discusses why you will have to upgrade at some point and why I object to Windows 10 strongly.  It also discusses how my objection is related to screen-reader development.  In my opinion, Windows 10 makes screen-reader developers waste a significant amount of time and resources constantly changing as Microsoft makes changes that affect accessibility.

 

At some point, you will have little choice.  Increasingly fewer programs will be supported in XP.  Your old browsers will work with fewer and fewer sites.  If you need something new like a printer, no new printers or scanners will have XP compatible drivers.  When XP will become so unusable that you will be forced to make a change, I don't know. 

 

My main objection to Windows 10 is that there are two full upgrades per year.  Microsoft has demonstrated that it can't properly test two major upgrades and it is a major inconvenience to upgrade, even if there ar no problems.  Before Windows 10, there were service packs spread out, perhaps one every two or three years, and in the case of Windows 7, there was only one.  I very much object to Microsoft imposing this level of inconvenience and potential problems on users.  And, from the standpoint of NVDA, developers have to constantly make changes to accommodate the constant and unending changes in Windows 10 that affect accessibility.  Lee releases one release after another of the Windows Essential app, for example.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, July 12, 2019 12:56 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Lags With Notepad++

 

Hi Zara,

I also d not like change.  I held onto my XP system for years after it
expired.  But when I eventually got up enough nerve to upgrade, I did it
big time and I have no issues.  If your issues are financial, that's
another item entirely.  But if it is simply a fear of the unknown, rest
assured that Windows 10 is no big deal.  I bet you would get used to it
in a few days at worst.



On 7/12/2019 12:21 PM, zahra wrote:
> i never use ten, even if someone gives me milions of dollars!
>
> On 7/12/19, Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:
>> Hey I know you like xp. Yes it works for you. If you keep on using it you
>> are asking for trouble. I had to leave win 7 for that reason! Now I;m on ten
>> I don’t like change any better then some blind folk. But like it or not I
>> had to change. Both my xp and 7 computers died.so I had no choice.
>>
>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>>
>> From: zahra
>> Sent: July 12, 2019 1:11 AM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Lags With Notepad++
>>
>> xp is the best operating system for me forever and i dont like newer
>> versions of windows, i hate windows ten and cant use another operating
>> systems!
>>
>> On 7/12/19, Perry Simm via Groups.Io
>> <perry.simm@...> wrote:
>>> Hi!
>>>
>>> On Friday, July 12, 2019 4:49 AM, zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
>>>
>>>> notepad++ version 7.7 x86 on windows xp, works perfectly with my
>>>> favorite version of nvda, (nvda 2017.2).
>>> Goodness! Please be aware that when you run XP and use the internet in
>>> any
>>> way, not only are you asking for trouble but actively begging for it.
>>> Whatever reasons you may be having, they are most likely invalid.
>>> Cheers Perry
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> By God,
>> were I given all the seven heavens
>> with all they contain
>> in order that
>> I may disobey God
>> by depriving an ant
>> from the husk of a grain of barley,
>> I would not do it.
>> imam ali
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


locked Re: Lags With Notepad++

Gene
 

but are the changes Microsoft makes ones that could have been avoided with more planning or development earlier? 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Friday, July 12, 2019 1:18 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Lags With Notepad++

Hi,

I release my add-on periodically not only due to changes in Windows 10 itself, but sometimes due to apps. I sometimes end up writing a workaround, only to revert it after I and others submit a feedback and Microsoft fixes it (the most recent case being changes to Settings app in next year’s update that had to be reverted when my own workaround wasn’t needed anymore).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, July 12, 2019 11:10 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Lags With Notepad++

 

This message discusses why you will have to upgrade at some point and why I object to Windows 10 strongly.  It also discusses how my objection is related to screen-reader development.  In my opinion, Windows 10 makes screen-reader developers waste a significant amount of time and resources constantly changing as Microsoft makes changes that affect accessibility.

 

At some point, you will have little choice.  Increasingly fewer programs will be supported in XP.  Your old browsers will work with fewer and fewer sites.  If you need something new like a printer, no new printers or scanners will have XP compatible drivers.  When XP will become so unusable that you will be forced to make a change, I don't know. 

 

My main objection to Windows 10 is that there are two full upgrades per year.  Microsoft has demonstrated that it can't properly test two major upgrades and it is a major inconvenience to upgrade, even if there ar no problems.  Before Windows 10, there were service packs spread out, perhaps one every two or three years, and in the case of Windows 7, there was only one.  I very much object to Microsoft imposing this level of inconvenience and potential problems on users.  And, from the standpoint of NVDA, developers have to constantly make changes to accommodate the constant and unending changes in Windows 10 that affect accessibility.  Lee releases one release after another of the Windows Essential app, for example.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Ron Canazzi

Sent: Friday, July 12, 2019 12:56 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Lags With Notepad++

 

Hi Zara,

I also d not like change.  I held onto my XP system for years after it
expired.  But when I eventually got up enough nerve to upgrade, I did it
big time and I have no issues.  If your issues are financial, that's
another item entirely.  But if it is simply a fear of the unknown, rest
assured that Windows 10 is no big deal.  I bet you would get used to it
in a few days at worst.



On 7/12/2019 12:21 PM, zahra wrote:
> i never use ten, even if someone gives me milions of dollars!
>
> On 7/12/19, Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:
>> Hey I know you like xp. Yes it works for you. If you keep on using it you
>> are asking for trouble. I had to leave win 7 for that reason! Now I;m on ten
>> I don’t like change any better then some blind folk. But like it or not I
>> had to change. Both my xp and 7 computers died.so I had no choice.
>>
>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>>
>> From: zahra
>> Sent: July 12, 2019 1:11 AM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Lags With Notepad++
>>
>> xp is the best operating system for me forever and i dont like newer
>> versions of windows, i hate windows ten and cant use another operating
>> systems!
>>
>> On 7/12/19, Perry Simm via Groups.Io
>> <perry.simm@...> wrote:
>>> Hi!
>>>
>>> On Friday, July 12, 2019 4:49 AM, zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
>>>
>>>> notepad++ version 7.7 x86 on windows xp, works perfectly with my
>>>> favorite version of nvda, (nvda 2017.2).
>>> Goodness! Please be aware that when you run XP and use the internet in
>>> any
>>> way, not only are you asking for trouble but actively begging for it.
>>> Whatever reasons you may be having, they are most likely invalid.
>>> Cheers Perry
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> By God,
>> were I given all the seven heavens
>> with all they contain
>> in order that
>> I may disobey God
>> by depriving an ant
>> from the husk of a grain of barley,
>> I would not do it.
>> imam ali
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"



locked Re: Lags With Notepad++

 

Hi,

I release my add-on periodically not only due to changes in Windows 10 itself, but sometimes due to apps. I sometimes end up writing a workaround, only to revert it after I and others submit a feedback and Microsoft fixes it (the most recent case being changes to Settings app in next year’s update that had to be reverted when my own workaround wasn’t needed anymore).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, July 12, 2019 11:10 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Lags With Notepad++

 

This message discusses why you will have to upgrade at some point and why I object to Windows 10 strongly.  It also discusses how my objection is related to screen-reader development.  In my opinion, Windows 10 makes screen-reader developers waste a significant amount of time and resources constantly changing as Microsoft makes changes that affect accessibility.

 

At some point, you will have little choice.  Increasingly fewer programs will be supported in XP.  Your old browsers will work with fewer and fewer sites.  If you need something new like a printer, no new printers or scanners will have XP compatible drivers.  When XP will become so unusable that you will be forced to make a change, I don't know. 

 

My main objection to Windows 10 is that there are two full upgrades per year.  Microsoft has demonstrated that it can't properly test two major upgrades and it is a major inconvenience to upgrade, even if there ar no problems.  Before Windows 10, there were service packs spread out, perhaps one every two or three years, and in the case of Windows 7, there was only one.  I very much object to Microsoft imposing this level of inconvenience and potential problems on users.  And, from the standpoint of NVDA, developers have to constantly make changes to accommodate the constant and unending changes in Windows 10 that affect accessibility.  Lee releases one release after another of the Windows Essential app, for example.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, July 12, 2019 12:56 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Lags With Notepad++

 

Hi Zara,

I also d not like change.  I held onto my XP system for years after it
expired.  But when I eventually got up enough nerve to upgrade, I did it
big time and I have no issues.  If your issues are financial, that's
another item entirely.  But if it is simply a fear of the unknown, rest
assured that Windows 10 is no big deal.  I bet you would get used to it
in a few days at worst.



On 7/12/2019 12:21 PM, zahra wrote:
> i never use ten, even if someone gives me milions of dollars!
>
> On 7/12/19, Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:
>> Hey I know you like xp. Yes it works for you. If you keep on using it you
>> are asking for trouble. I had to leave win 7 for that reason! Now I;m on ten
>> I don’t like change any better then some blind folk. But like it or not I
>> had to change. Both my xp and 7 computers died.so I had no choice.
>>
>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>>
>> From: zahra
>> Sent: July 12, 2019 1:11 AM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Lags With Notepad++
>>
>> xp is the best operating system for me forever and i dont like newer
>> versions of windows, i hate windows ten and cant use another operating
>> systems!
>>
>> On 7/12/19, Perry Simm via Groups.Io
>> <perry.simm@...> wrote:
>>> Hi!
>>>
>>> On Friday, July 12, 2019 4:49 AM, zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
>>>
>>>> notepad++ version 7.7 x86 on windows xp, works perfectly with my
>>>> favorite version of nvda, (nvda 2017.2).
>>> Goodness! Please be aware that when you run XP and use the internet in
>>> any
>>> way, not only are you asking for trouble but actively begging for it.
>>> Whatever reasons you may be having, they are most likely invalid.
>>> Cheers Perry
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> By God,
>> were I given all the seven heavens
>> with all they contain
>> in order that
>> I may disobey God
>> by depriving an ant
>> from the husk of a grain of barley,
>> I would not do it.
>> imam ali
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"



locked Re: Lags With Notepad++

Gene
 

This message discusses why you will have to upgrade at some point and why I object to Windows 10 strongly.  It also discusses how my objection is related to screen-reader development.  In my opinion, Windows 10 makes screen-reader developers waste a significant amount of time and resources constantly changing as Microsoft makes changes that affect accessibility.
 
At some point, you will have little choice.  Increasingly fewer programs will be supported in XP.  Your old browsers will work with fewer and fewer sites.  If you need something new like a printer, no new printers or scanners will have XP compatible drivers.  When XP will become so unusable that you will be forced to make a change, I don't know. 
 
My main objection to Windows 10 is that there are two full upgrades per year.  Microsoft has demonstrated that it can't properly test two major upgrades and it is a major inconvenience to upgrade, even if there ar no problems.  Before Windows 10, there were service packs spread out, perhaps one every two or three years, and in the case of Windows 7, there was only one.  I very much object to Microsoft imposing this level of inconvenience and potential problems on users.  And, from the standpoint of NVDA, developers have to constantly make changes to accommodate the constant and unending changes in Windows 10 that affect accessibility.  Lee releases one release after another of the Windows Essential app, for example.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, July 12, 2019 12:56 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Lags With Notepad++

Hi Zara,

I also d not like change.  I held onto my XP system for years after it
expired.  But when I eventually got up enough nerve to upgrade, I did it
big time and I have no issues.  If your issues are financial, that's
another item entirely.  But if it is simply a fear of the unknown, rest
assured that Windows 10 is no big deal.  I bet you would get used to it
in a few days at worst.



On 7/12/2019 12:21 PM, zahra wrote:
> i never use ten, even if someone gives me milions of dollars!
>
> On 7/12/19, Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:
>> Hey I know you like xp. Yes it works for you. If you keep on using it you
>> are asking for trouble. I had to leave win 7 for that reason! Now I;m on ten
>> I don’t like change any better then some blind folk. But like it or not I
>> had to change. Both my xp and 7 computers died.so I had no choice.
>>
>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>>
>> From: zahra
>> Sent: July 12, 2019 1:11 AM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Lags With Notepad++
>>
>> xp is the best operating system for me forever and i dont like newer
>> versions of windows, i hate windows ten and cant use another operating
>> systems!
>>
>> On 7/12/19, Perry Simm via Groups.Io
>> <perry.simm@...> wrote:
>>> Hi!
>>>
>>> On Friday, July 12, 2019 4:49 AM, zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
>>>
>>>> notepad++ version 7.7 x86 on windows xp, works perfectly with my
>>>> favorite version of nvda, (nvda 2017.2).
>>> Goodness! Please be aware that when you run XP and use the internet in
>>> any
>>> way, not only are you asking for trouble but actively begging for it.
>>> Whatever reasons you may be having, they are most likely invalid.
>>> Cheers Perry
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> By God,
>> were I given all the seven heavens
>> with all they contain
>> in order that
>> I may disobey God
>> by depriving an ant
>> from the husk of a grain of barley,
>> I would not do it.
>> imam ali
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"




locked Re: Lags With Notepad++

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Zara,

I also d not like change.  I held onto my XP system for years after it expired.  But when I eventually got up enough nerve to upgrade, I did it big time and I have no issues.  If your issues are financial, that's another item entirely.  But if it is simply a fear of the unknown, rest assured that Windows 10 is no big deal.  I bet you would get used to it in a few days at worst.

On 7/12/2019 12:21 PM, zahra wrote:
i never use ten, even if someone gives me milions of dollars!

On 7/12/19, Arlene <nedster66@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey I know you like xp. Yes it works for you. If you keep on using it you
are asking for trouble. I had to leave win 7 for that reason! Now I;m on ten
I don’t like change any better then some blind folk. But like it or not I
had to change. Both my xp and 7 computers died.so I had no choice.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: zahra
Sent: July 12, 2019 1:11 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Lags With Notepad++

xp is the best operating system for me forever and i dont like newer
versions of windows, i hate windows ten and cant use another operating
systems!

On 7/12/19, Perry Simm via Groups.Io
<perry.simm=protonmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi!

On Friday, July 12, 2019 4:49 AM, zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com> wrote:

notepad++ version 7.7 x86 on windows xp, works perfectly with my
favorite version of nvda, (nvda 2017.2).
Goodness! Please be aware that when you run XP and use the internet in
any
way, not only are you asking for trouble but actively begging for it.
Whatever reasons you may be having, they are most likely invalid.
Cheers Perry



--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali







--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


locked Re: Lags With Notepad++

 

i never use ten, even if someone gives me milions of dollars!

On 7/12/19, Arlene <nedster66@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey I know you like xp. Yes it works for you. If you keep on using it you
are asking for trouble. I had to leave win 7 for that reason! Now I;m on ten
I don’t like change any better then some blind folk. But like it or not I
had to change. Both my xp and 7 computers died.so I had no choice.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: zahra
Sent: July 12, 2019 1:11 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Lags With Notepad++

xp is the best operating system for me forever and i dont like newer
versions of windows, i hate windows ten and cant use another operating
systems!

On 7/12/19, Perry Simm via Groups.Io
<perry.simm=protonmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi!

On Friday, July 12, 2019 4:49 AM, zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com> wrote:

notepad++ version 7.7 x86 on windows xp, works perfectly with my
favorite version of nvda, (nvda 2017.2).
Goodness! Please be aware that when you run XP and use the internet in
any
way, not only are you asking for trouble but actively begging for it.
Whatever reasons you may be having, they are most likely invalid.
Cheers Perry




--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali







--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


locked Re: Lags With Notepad++

Arlene
 

Hey I know you like xp. Yes it works for you. If you keep on using it you are asking for trouble. I had to leave win 7 for that reason! Now I;m on ten I don’t like change any better then some blind folk. But like it or not I had to change. Both my xp and 7 computers died.so I had no choice.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: zahra
Sent: July 12, 2019 1:11 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Lags With Notepad++

 

xp is the best operating system for me forever and i dont like newer

versions of windows, i hate windows ten and cant use another operating

systems!

 

On 7/12/19, Perry Simm via Groups.Io

<perry.simm@...> wrote:

> Hi!

> On Friday, July 12, 2019 4:49 AM, zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:

>> notepad++ version 7.7 x86 on windows xp, works perfectly with my

>> favorite version of nvda, (nvda 2017.2).

> Goodness! Please be aware that when you run XP and use the internet in any

> way, not only are you asking for trouble but actively begging for it.

> Whatever reasons you may be having, they are most likely invalid.

> Cheers Perry

>

 

 

--

By God,

were I given all the seven heavens

with all they contain

in order that

I may disobey God

by depriving an ant

from the husk of a grain of barley,

I would not do it.

imam ali

 

 

 


Re: Is NVDA really unable to handle LinkedIn and sprintip?

Jonathan COHN
 

I know that both Sprint and LinkedIn (Microsoft owns LinkedIn btw) have accessibility officer. My LinkedIn connections include a VP of Accessibility at Sprint :-). Have you attempted to work with their accessibility group?

Take care,

Jonathan

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of John J. Boyer
Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2019 2:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Is NVDA really unable to handle LinkedIn and sprintip?
Importance: Low

O
it looks like I will have to get JAWS, since I haven't received any replies to my earlier mesages.

John

--
John J. Boyer
Email: john.boyer@abilitiessoft.org
website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org
Status: Company dissolved but website and email addresses live.
Location: Madison, Wisconsin, USA
Mission: developing assistive technology software and providing STEM services
that are available at no cost


Reading and inserting any type of chart, graph in Microsoft office with nvda

farhan israk
 

How to read and insert any type of chart, graph in Microsoft word and powerpoint with nvda?


locked Re: Lags With Notepad++

 

xp is the best operating system for me forever and i dont like newer
versions of windows, i hate windows ten and cant use another operating
systems!

On 7/12/19, Perry Simm via Groups.Io
<perry.simm=protonmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi!

On Friday, July 12, 2019 4:49 AM, zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com> wrote:

notepad++ version 7.7 x86 on windows xp, works perfectly with my
favorite version of nvda, (nvda 2017.2).
Goodness! Please be aware that when you run XP and use the internet in any
way, not only are you asking for trouble but actively begging for it.
Whatever reasons you may be having, they are most likely invalid.
Cheers Perry




--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


locked Re: Lags With Notepad++

Perry Simm
 

Hi!

On Friday, July 12, 2019 4:49 AM, zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com> wrote:

notepad++ version 7.7 x86 on windows xp, works perfectly with my
favorite version of nvda, (nvda 2017.2).
Goodness! Please be aware that when you run XP and use the internet in any way, not only are you asking for trouble but actively begging for it. Whatever reasons you may be having, they are most likely invalid.
Cheers Perry