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Re: Using both NVDA and JAWS

JM Casey
 

The assigning of the hotkey is not automatic,. And I had thought the startup wizard allowed an opportunity to set one, but I just checked, and it doesn’t, so you would have to do it the traditional way.

 

Just my opinion of course, but hitting j several times until you (hopefully) get to the right programme seems a bit tenuous and too much like guesswork, to me. Much easier to just invoke the run box and type in the name of the jaws version you have installed and want to run. By now I’m probably going to start attaining the nickname Mr. Run-box around here. *grins*

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: July 16, 2019 12:04 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using both NVDA and JAWS

 

Unless this has changed, control alt j is not automatically assigned as a shortcut by JAWS.  I haven't used JAWS for many years but in the past, users would set that short cut command using the shortcut JAWS would put on the desktop. 

 

Unless you know the shortcut is there, with NVDA running, go to the desktop, press home then type j until you get to JAWS.  Remember how many times you pressed j so you can start JAWS without control alt j.  After you press j the needed number of times, press enter.

 

If you use Windows key m to go to the desktop, to be sure you are on it when no screen-reader is running, press it three times. 

 

I believe Windows key d takes you to the desktop reliably the first time you execute the command but on some keyboards, it is a very inconvenient command to use and Windows key m three times is far more convenient.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, July 15, 2019 7:21 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Using both NVDA and JAWS

 

hi.
i have jaws and Nvda on my laptop. probably the best option is to turn off one screen reader and start the other. press Nvda plus q to exit Nvda. press control alt j to start jaws. depending on your keyboard layout press caps lock or insert plus f4 to exit jaws.
hope this helps 😊

Re: Using both NVDA and JAWS

Gene
 

Unless this has changed, control alt j is not automatically assigned as a shortcut by JAWS.  I haven't used JAWS for many years but in the past, users would set that short cut command using the shortcut JAWS would put on the desktop. 
 
Unless you know the shortcut is there, with NVDA running, go to the desktop, press home then type j until you get to JAWS.  Remember how many times you pressed j so you can start JAWS without control alt j.  After you press j the needed number of times, press enter.
 
If you use Windows key m to go to the desktop, to be sure you are on it when no screen-reader is running, press it three times. 
 
I believe Windows key d takes you to the desktop reliably the first time you execute the command but on some keyboards, it is a very inconvenient command to use and Windows key m three times is far more convenient.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, July 15, 2019 7:21 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using both NVDA and JAWS

hi.
i have jaws and Nvda on my laptop. probably the best option is to turn off one screen reader and start the other. press Nvda plus q to exit Nvda. press control alt j to start jaws. depending on your keyboard layout press caps lock or insert plus f4 to exit jaws.
hope this helps 😊

Re: Using both NVDA and JAWS

molly the blind tech lover
 

I think both can run at the same time but that would be confusing lol.

Re: Using both NVDA and JAWS

molly the blind tech lover
 

hi.
i have jaws and Nvda on my laptop. probably the best option is to turn off one screen reader and start the other. press Nvda plus q to exit Nvda. press control alt j to start jaws. depending on your keyboard layout press caps lock or insert plus f4 to exit jaws.
hope this helps 😊

Re: Making NVDA reconsider focus

Quentin Christensen
 

It might be enough, but the issue could also be caused by things which happen earlier.  For instance, an error occurring (in NVDA) when trying to display the program window.  In that case, the most useful information would come from the log just before the loss of focus.

In any case, you could provide both by recreating the issue, pressing NVDA+F1 and copying everything (the focus information is presented at the end of the log on that screen).

On Tue, Jul 16, 2019 at 12:27 PM Cohn, Jonathan <jcohn@...> wrote:

I was thinking that even just a insert-F1 listing of what is the NVDA current focus and what screen shows focus as might be helpful.

 

Jonathan

 

 

From: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Quentin Christensen <quentin@...>
Reply-To: "nvda@nvda.groups.io" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Date: Monday, July 15, 2019 at 7:21 PM
To: "nvda@nvda.groups.io" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Making NVDA reconsider focus

 

Re my comment about other programs "stealing focus", I phrased that badly - while that's the way it appears to NVDA, you are right, in many cases, you can press all the usual keystrokes and the correct things happen in the program as they normally would, but NVDA does not report them because it has been trapped by some invisible overlay the other program has put on the screen.  In some cases, moving the focus away and back does fix that issue.

 

Similarly with the DLL registration issue, it might not cause an issue for a sighted user, but it affects how NVDA collects its information.  If it isn't happening consistently then as you say, it may not be that.

 

The best I can suggest, is if you could set NVDA's log level to debug, try to recreate the issue, and send us a copy of the log from it.

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin

 

On Tue, Jul 16, 2019 at 7:13 AM Luke Davis <luke@...> wrote:

On Thu, 11 Jul 2019, Perry Simm via Groups.Io wrote:

> Sure! The prime example is when I launch a program, such as a browser. A few seconds later, I know I'm in the address bar, and a sighted person can confirm this to me, but there's no speech indicating this. Focus is really in the address bar, and I can type into it. It's just that NVDA hasn't tracked it. Alt+tabbing out then back in resolves it for the moment.

I would not call that a loss of focus, but a never gaining of focus.

And as you say, it's an old problem which has existed for many years, across
many windows versions, NVDA versions, etc.  Although I most commonly experience
it when launching Firefox from the desktop for the first time after a restart.

I understood your initial problem differently--I do not have the message now
before me, but some how I had gotten the impression that you had programs where
the focus was correctly associated with a field, and then for some reason got
lost, thus requiring a double alt-tab to re-acquire.

Luke




 

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Re: Making NVDA reconsider focus

Cohn, Jonathan
 

I was thinking that even just a insert-F1 listing of what is the NVDA current focus and what screen shows focus as might be helpful.

 

Jonathan

 

 

From: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Quentin Christensen <quentin@...>
Reply-To: "nvda@nvda.groups.io" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Date: Monday, July 15, 2019 at 7:21 PM
To: "nvda@nvda.groups.io" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Making NVDA reconsider focus

 

Re my comment about other programs "stealing focus", I phrased that badly - while that's the way it appears to NVDA, you are right, in many cases, you can press all the usual keystrokes and the correct things happen in the program as they normally would, but NVDA does not report them because it has been trapped by some invisible overlay the other program has put on the screen.  In some cases, moving the focus away and back does fix that issue.

 

Similarly with the DLL registration issue, it might not cause an issue for a sighted user, but it affects how NVDA collects its information.  If it isn't happening consistently then as you say, it may not be that.

 

The best I can suggest, is if you could set NVDA's log level to debug, try to recreate the issue, and send us a copy of the log from it.

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin

 

On Tue, Jul 16, 2019 at 7:13 AM Luke Davis <luke@...> wrote:

On Thu, 11 Jul 2019, Perry Simm via Groups.Io wrote:

> Sure! The prime example is when I launch a program, such as a browser. A few seconds later, I know I'm in the address bar, and a sighted person can confirm this to me, but there's no speech indicating this. Focus is really in the address bar, and I can type into it. It's just that NVDA hasn't tracked it. Alt+tabbing out then back in resolves it for the moment.

I would not call that a loss of focus, but a never gaining of focus.

And as you say, it's an old problem which has existed for many years, across
many windows versions, NVDA versions, etc.  Although I most commonly experience
it when launching Firefox from the desktop for the first time after a restart.

I understood your initial problem differently--I do not have the message now
before me, but some how I had gotten the impression that you had programs where
the focus was correctly associated with a field, and then for some reason got
lost, thus requiring a double alt-tab to re-acquire.

Luke




 

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NVDA 2019.2beta1 now available!

 

Re: Using both NVDA and JAWS

Andy
 

You can have them both on your machine, but you can't run them at the same time. You would have to unload one before starting the other.

Andy

----- Original Message -----
From: "John J. Boyer" <john.boyer@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 15, 2019 5:00 PM
Subject: [nvda] Using both NVDA and JAWS


If I install JAWS in addition to NVDA how do I switch from one to another? I know that I can exit NVDA with nvdq+q. How would I switch back? How would I quit
JAWS and then switch back?

Thanks,
John

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Re: Using both NVDA and JAWS

Sam Bushman
 

Run jaws with ctrl-alt-j or click on the jaws icon on your desktop.
When you eant to leave jaws press insert f4 and you can exit jaws.
Then just press alt-ctrl-n to launch nvda again. I do this all the time.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of John J. Boyer
Sent: Monday, July 15, 2019 6:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Using both NVDA and JAWS

If I install JAWS in addition to NVDA how do I switch from one to another?
I know that I can exit NVDA with nvdq+q. How would I switch back? How would
I quit JAWS and then switch back?

Thanks,
John

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Email: john.boyer@...
website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org
Status: Company dissolved but website and email addresses live.
Location: Madison, Wisconsin, USA
Mission: developing assistive technology software and providing STEM
services
that are available at no cost

Re: Using both NVDA and JAWS

JM Casey
 

Hi.

Certainly both pieces of software can be used on the same machine. How you
would go about running one rather than another is completely up to you.
Want to use a hotkey to start JAWS like you do with nVDA?
It seems that's what most people do. I believe the setup wizard for JAWS
even offers to do this for you within the programme. A lot of people use
alt-control-j. But how you start JAWS is your call. I personally don't
bother with a hotkey anymore and just type "jaws2018" into the run dialogue
box. The reason I stopped bothering was probably that every time you
re-install JAWS, your previous hotkey (really just a desktop shortcut) is
removed. This is no longer the case starting with a recent JAWS version, I
think, but, old habits die hard.

To exit JAWS, you can either do this from within the JAWS window using the
menus or, my preferred way, pressing JAWS key (insert in my case) + f4.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of John J. Boyer
Sent: July 15, 2019 8:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Using both NVDA and JAWS

If I install JAWS in addition to NVDA how do I switch from one to another?
I know that I can exit NVDA with nvdq+q. How would I switch back? How would
I quit JAWS and then switch back?

Thanks,
John

--
John J. Boyer
Email: john.boyer@...
website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org
Status: Company dissolved but website and email addresses live.
Location: Madison, Wisconsin, USA
Mission: developing assistive technology software and providing STEM
services
that are available at no cost

Using both NVDA and JAWS

John J. Boyer
 

If I install JAWS in addition to NVDA how do I switch from one to another? I know that I can exit NVDA with nvdq+q. How would I switch back? How would I quit
JAWS and then switch back?

Thanks,
John

--
John J. Boyer
Email: john.boyer@...
website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org
Status: Company dissolved but website and email addresses live.
Location: Madison, Wisconsin, USA
Mission: developing assistive technology software and providing STEM services
that are available at no cost

Re: Making NVDA reconsider focus

Quentin Christensen
 

Re my comment about other programs "stealing focus", I phrased that badly - while that's the way it appears to NVDA, you are right, in many cases, you can press all the usual keystrokes and the correct things happen in the program as they normally would, but NVDA does not report them because it has been trapped by some invisible overlay the other program has put on the screen.  In some cases, moving the focus away and back does fix that issue.

Similarly with the DLL registration issue, it might not cause an issue for a sighted user, but it affects how NVDA collects its information.  If it isn't happening consistently then as you say, it may not be that.

The best I can suggest, is if you could set NVDA's log level to debug, try to recreate the issue, and send us a copy of the log from it.

Kind regards

Quentin

On Tue, Jul 16, 2019 at 7:13 AM Luke Davis <luke@...> wrote:
On Thu, 11 Jul 2019, Perry Simm via Groups.Io wrote:

> Sure! The prime example is when I launch a program, such as a browser. A few seconds later, I know I'm in the address bar, and a sighted person can confirm this to me, but there's no speech indicating this. Focus is really in the address bar, and I can type into it. It's just that NVDA hasn't tracked it. Alt+tabbing out then back in resolves it for the moment.

I would not call that a loss of focus, but a never gaining of focus.

And as you say, it's an old problem which has existed for many years, across
many windows versions, NVDA versions, etc.  Although I most commonly experience
it when launching Firefox from the desktop for the first time after a restart.

I understood your initial problem differently--I do not have the message now
before me, but some how I had gotten the impression that you had programs where
the focus was correctly associated with a field, and then for some reason got
lost, thus requiring a double alt-tab to re-acquire.

Luke






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Training and Support Manager

NVDA 2019.2beta1 now available!

Re: how to check spelling of a suggested word in spellchecker if you don't have a numpad on the laptop

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Dan,

Numpad 5 is the desktop keyboard layout keystroke for "report current word in review".  If you have a laptop which does not have a dedicated numberpad, you might consider setting NVDA to use laptop keyboard layout from NVDA's keyboard settings (press NVDA+control+k to open the keyboard settings directly).  If you are using laptop keyboard layout, the command to report the current word is NVDA+control+. (NVDA, control, full stop or period).

Note on many laptops, the Fn key can be used with other keys as the number pad.  Usually this uses the 7, 8 and 9 on the number row as those keys, U, I, O as 4, 5, 6 and K, L, ; as 1, 2, 3 etc.  You'd have to work out which key did "numlock" in that case to ensure it was "off" (with numlock on, pressing numpad 5 will result in the number 5 being pressed in any case).

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Tue, Jul 16, 2019 at 5:37 AM Dan Thompson <dmt031073@...> wrote:

Hi All,

I can check the spelling of a suggested word when using spellchecker using NVDA  by tabbing to the list of suggestions and pressing Numpad 5 twice to have the word spelled.

But what can be done for a laptop that doesn’t have a Numpad to get the same information?  Thanks in advance.



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NVDA 2019.2beta1 now available!

Re: How to make sure that formatting is perfect in Excel

Quentin Christensen
 

Getting formatting to visually look "right" in Excel can be tricky.  I cover quite a few tips in the Microsoft Excel with NVDA module (available from   https://www.nvaccess.org/product/microsoft-excel-training-for-nvda-ebook/  ), however, it can take a bit of exploration to work out what works best in your own spreadsheets.

By default, Excel will allow cells to overflow - that is the text to continue off out the right hand edge of a cell - if there is text in the next cell the right, it "cuts off" the first cell text (visually - the text is still there).  If there isn't, the text is allowed to flow across to the right until it hits a cell with text, but even if it doesn't, that doesn't always look right either.

In format cells (CONTROL+1), on the alignment tab (control+tab), there is an option to "wrap text".  That makes the cell (and thus its row) taller to ensure that all text in the cell is visible (it wraps down to a second, third, or more lines as needed in order to fit in the width allowed.

Alternatively, on the Home Ribbon (alt+h), under "format", (o), there are options to autofit row height, or column width (or manually specify either) to ensure text fits.  Again, this will work better in some situations than others, and it is hard to offer a blanket rule here.

One caution - there is an option in format cells -> aligment, called "shrink to fit", which does what it says - it shrinks the size of the text to ensure it fits in the cell.  That sounds good as it doesn't alter the size of the cells, but it could make text miniscule, or at the very least inconsistent with surrounding cells.  I would avoid using that option.

Remember with any of those options, you can set it for one specific cell, but often it is easiest if you select a whole column, or row and then set it - for instance, if you have a column of figures, you can select the column (control+spacebar to select a column - and for completeness, shift+spacebar to select a row), then autofit column from the home ribbon, and it will fit the column to the width of the widest text in it.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Jul 12, 2019 at 4:58 PM Mohd. Ahtesham Shaikh <mohd.ahtesham@...> wrote:
Hi friends,
I have a job where formatting is very important in excel. I always face issues relating to some text getting hidden in a cell due to reasons like cell size being small, alignment/ indentation of the text or any thing like this.
Is there any training tutorial or podcast which gives training on tackling such issues and preparing a perfectly formatted excel based document like purchase order. Any clarification needed to understand this problem is always welcome. Please help me in this matter. It is affecting my performance at my work place.
--
Mohd. Ahtesham
From India
Using Windows 8.1 at home and windows 10 pro in office



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Re: Making NVDA reconsider focus

Luke Davis
 

On Thu, 11 Jul 2019, Perry Simm via Groups.Io wrote:

Sure! The prime example is when I launch a program, such as a browser. A few seconds later, I know I'm in the address bar, and a sighted person can confirm this to me, but there's no speech indicating this. Focus is really in the address bar, and I can type into it. It's just that NVDA hasn't tracked it. Alt+tabbing out then back in resolves it for the moment.
I would not call that a loss of focus, but a never gaining of focus.

And as you say, it's an old problem which has existed for many years, across many windows versions, NVDA versions, etc. Although I most commonly experience it when launching Firefox from the desktop for the first time after a restart.

I understood your initial problem differently--I do not have the message now before me, but some how I had gotten the impression that you had programs where the focus was correctly associated with a field, and then for some reason got lost, thus requiring a double alt-tab to re-acquire.

Luke

Re: twitter accessibility

Andy
 


Or you can use a desktop client like TW Blue.
 
Andy
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, July 15, 2019 1:06 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] twitter accessibility

Yes it is. I imagine you are speaking of the website. They have keyboard shortcuts for everything imaginable.





On 7/15/2019 4:00 PM, Don H wrote:
Is twitter accessible using the latest version of NVDA on a Win 10 system?




Re: twitter accessibility

 

Yes it is. I imagine you are speaking of the website. They have keyboard shortcuts for everything imaginable.





On 7/15/2019 4:00 PM, Don H wrote:
Is twitter accessible using the latest version of NVDA on a Win 10 system?




twitter accessibility

Don H
 

Is twitter accessible using the latest version of NVDA on a Win 10 system?

how to check spelling of a suggested word in spellchecker if you don't have a numpad on the laptop

Dan Thompson
 

Hi All,

I can check the spelling of a suggested word when using spellchecker using NVDA  by tabbing to the list of suggestions and pressing Numpad 5 twice to have the word spelled.

But what can be done for a laptop that doesn’t have a Numpad to get the same information?  Thanks in advance.

Re: accessible e-book creation?

ely.r@...
 

Here is a link to an article that gives some basic things to consider when you are going to create an e-book. It is written specifically to address the issue using MS Word as a starting tool and what it can do for you and suggestions about further options.
Hope it helps.
Rick
https://www.pcworld.com/article/253618/how_to_use_microsoft_word_to_create_an_ebook.html

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sean Murphy
Sent: Monday, July 15, 2019 2:58 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible e-book creation?

If you are writing a book, you require an EPub author tool. On windows I am not aware of any accessible products. It is important to keep your chapters in separate files to make the table of contents work effectively.


I would suggest looking at the DASY foundation site.


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Daniel Wolak
Sent: Monday, 15 July 2019 11:14 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] accessible e-book creation?

Hi all,

I'm interested in finding a program that will allow me to create epub books that's accessible with nvda. Ideally, I would like to be able to import and use a collection of html files as chapters, although this isn't 100% required. Would appreciate any pointers on any accessible options for this that folks have found.

Thanks in advance,


Daniel

Re: accessible e-book creation?

Sarah k Alawami
 

I guess you can also use pandoc. And latex to write the book. There are tons of stuff on google and manuals, well written ones so learn at your own pace.

Good luck n your book.

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On 15 Jul 2019, at 1:20, Shaun Everiss wrote:

Hmmm, well that may be the subject for the blind vms cast.

Now, I have just a little load of things to do next week, but if you guys are interested, either shove this to chat or email me off list and I will look at it.

I do have linux in vmware, but I guess you will want to have something we can view in the windows os first.

Where would I go to get a look at tools and have anyone actually tried any, it could be a good project.

Again, if you are interested, email me and maybe I can add this to some sort of support thing on the cast, thats the 3rd message on this topic, so there is interest, and now I have a platform to post it.




On 15/07/2019 6:58 PM, Sean Murphy wrote:

If you are writing a book, you require an EPub author tool. On windows I am not aware of any accessible products. It is important to keep your chapters in separate files to make the table of contents work effectively.


I would suggest looking at the DASY foundation site.


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Daniel Wolak
Sent: Monday, 15 July 2019 11:14 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] accessible e-book creation?

Hi all,

I'm interested in finding a program that will allow me to create epub books that's accessible with nvda. Ideally, I would like to be able to import and use a collection of html files as chapters, although this isn't 100% required. Would appreciate any pointers on any accessible options for this that folks have found.

Thanks in advance,


Daniel