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Re: Making NVDA reconsider focus

Quentin Christensen
 

Re my comment about other programs "stealing focus", I phrased that badly - while that's the way it appears to NVDA, you are right, in many cases, you can press all the usual keystrokes and the correct things happen in the program as they normally would, but NVDA does not report them because it has been trapped by some invisible overlay the other program has put on the screen.  In some cases, moving the focus away and back does fix that issue.

Similarly with the DLL registration issue, it might not cause an issue for a sighted user, but it affects how NVDA collects its information.  If it isn't happening consistently then as you say, it may not be that.

The best I can suggest, is if you could set NVDA's log level to debug, try to recreate the issue, and send us a copy of the log from it.

Kind regards

Quentin

On Tue, Jul 16, 2019 at 7:13 AM Luke Davis <luke@...> wrote:
On Thu, 11 Jul 2019, Perry Simm via Groups.Io wrote:

> Sure! The prime example is when I launch a program, such as a browser. A few seconds later, I know I'm in the address bar, and a sighted person can confirm this to me, but there's no speech indicating this. Focus is really in the address bar, and I can type into it. It's just that NVDA hasn't tracked it. Alt+tabbing out then back in resolves it for the moment.

I would not call that a loss of focus, but a never gaining of focus.

And as you say, it's an old problem which has existed for many years, across
many windows versions, NVDA versions, etc.  Although I most commonly experience
it when launching Firefox from the desktop for the first time after a restart.

I understood your initial problem differently--I do not have the message now
before me, but some how I had gotten the impression that you had programs where
the focus was correctly associated with a field, and then for some reason got
lost, thus requiring a double alt-tab to re-acquire.

Luke






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Re: how to check spelling of a suggested word in spellchecker if you don't have a numpad on the laptop

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Dan,

Numpad 5 is the desktop keyboard layout keystroke for "report current word in review".  If you have a laptop which does not have a dedicated numberpad, you might consider setting NVDA to use laptop keyboard layout from NVDA's keyboard settings (press NVDA+control+k to open the keyboard settings directly).  If you are using laptop keyboard layout, the command to report the current word is NVDA+control+. (NVDA, control, full stop or period).

Note on many laptops, the Fn key can be used with other keys as the number pad.  Usually this uses the 7, 8 and 9 on the number row as those keys, U, I, O as 4, 5, 6 and K, L, ; as 1, 2, 3 etc.  You'd have to work out which key did "numlock" in that case to ensure it was "off" (with numlock on, pressing numpad 5 will result in the number 5 being pressed in any case).

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Tue, Jul 16, 2019 at 5:37 AM Dan Thompson <dmt031073@...> wrote:

Hi All,

I can check the spelling of a suggested word when using spellchecker using NVDA  by tabbing to the list of suggestions and pressing Numpad 5 twice to have the word spelled.

But what can be done for a laptop that doesn’t have a Numpad to get the same information?  Thanks in advance.



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Re: How to make sure that formatting is perfect in Excel

Quentin Christensen
 

Getting formatting to visually look "right" in Excel can be tricky.  I cover quite a few tips in the Microsoft Excel with NVDA module (available from   https://www.nvaccess.org/product/microsoft-excel-training-for-nvda-ebook/  ), however, it can take a bit of exploration to work out what works best in your own spreadsheets.

By default, Excel will allow cells to overflow - that is the text to continue off out the right hand edge of a cell - if there is text in the next cell the right, it "cuts off" the first cell text (visually - the text is still there).  If there isn't, the text is allowed to flow across to the right until it hits a cell with text, but even if it doesn't, that doesn't always look right either.

In format cells (CONTROL+1), on the alignment tab (control+tab), there is an option to "wrap text".  That makes the cell (and thus its row) taller to ensure that all text in the cell is visible (it wraps down to a second, third, or more lines as needed in order to fit in the width allowed.

Alternatively, on the Home Ribbon (alt+h), under "format", (o), there are options to autofit row height, or column width (or manually specify either) to ensure text fits.  Again, this will work better in some situations than others, and it is hard to offer a blanket rule here.

One caution - there is an option in format cells -> aligment, called "shrink to fit", which does what it says - it shrinks the size of the text to ensure it fits in the cell.  That sounds good as it doesn't alter the size of the cells, but it could make text miniscule, or at the very least inconsistent with surrounding cells.  I would avoid using that option.

Remember with any of those options, you can set it for one specific cell, but often it is easiest if you select a whole column, or row and then set it - for instance, if you have a column of figures, you can select the column (control+spacebar to select a column - and for completeness, shift+spacebar to select a row), then autofit column from the home ribbon, and it will fit the column to the width of the widest text in it.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Jul 12, 2019 at 4:58 PM Mohd. Ahtesham Shaikh <mohd.ahtesham@...> wrote:
Hi friends,
I have a job where formatting is very important in excel. I always face issues relating to some text getting hidden in a cell due to reasons like cell size being small, alignment/ indentation of the text or any thing like this.
Is there any training tutorial or podcast which gives training on tackling such issues and preparing a perfectly formatted excel based document like purchase order. Any clarification needed to understand this problem is always welcome. Please help me in this matter. It is affecting my performance at my work place.
--
Mohd. Ahtesham
From India
Using Windows 8.1 at home and windows 10 pro in office



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NVDA 2019.2beta1 now available!

Re: Making NVDA reconsider focus

Luke Davis
 

On Thu, 11 Jul 2019, Perry Simm via Groups.Io wrote:

Sure! The prime example is when I launch a program, such as a browser. A few seconds later, I know I'm in the address bar, and a sighted person can confirm this to me, but there's no speech indicating this. Focus is really in the address bar, and I can type into it. It's just that NVDA hasn't tracked it. Alt+tabbing out then back in resolves it for the moment.
I would not call that a loss of focus, but a never gaining of focus.

And as you say, it's an old problem which has existed for many years, across many windows versions, NVDA versions, etc. Although I most commonly experience it when launching Firefox from the desktop for the first time after a restart.

I understood your initial problem differently--I do not have the message now before me, but some how I had gotten the impression that you had programs where the focus was correctly associated with a field, and then for some reason got lost, thus requiring a double alt-tab to re-acquire.

Luke

Re: twitter accessibility

Andy
 


Or you can use a desktop client like TW Blue.
 
Andy
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, July 15, 2019 1:06 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] twitter accessibility

Yes it is. I imagine you are speaking of the website. They have keyboard shortcuts for everything imaginable.





On 7/15/2019 4:00 PM, Don H wrote:
Is twitter accessible using the latest version of NVDA on a Win 10 system?




Re: twitter accessibility

 

Yes it is. I imagine you are speaking of the website. They have keyboard shortcuts for everything imaginable.





On 7/15/2019 4:00 PM, Don H wrote:
Is twitter accessible using the latest version of NVDA on a Win 10 system?




twitter accessibility

Don H
 

Is twitter accessible using the latest version of NVDA on a Win 10 system?

how to check spelling of a suggested word in spellchecker if you don't have a numpad on the laptop

Dan Thompson
 

Hi All,

I can check the spelling of a suggested word when using spellchecker using NVDA  by tabbing to the list of suggestions and pressing Numpad 5 twice to have the word spelled.

But what can be done for a laptop that doesn’t have a Numpad to get the same information?  Thanks in advance.

Re: accessible e-book creation?

ely.r@...
 

Here is a link to an article that gives some basic things to consider when you are going to create an e-book. It is written specifically to address the issue using MS Word as a starting tool and what it can do for you and suggestions about further options.
Hope it helps.
Rick
https://www.pcworld.com/article/253618/how_to_use_microsoft_word_to_create_an_ebook.html

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sean Murphy
Sent: Monday, July 15, 2019 2:58 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible e-book creation?

If you are writing a book, you require an EPub author tool. On windows I am not aware of any accessible products. It is important to keep your chapters in separate files to make the table of contents work effectively.


I would suggest looking at the DASY foundation site.


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Daniel Wolak
Sent: Monday, 15 July 2019 11:14 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] accessible e-book creation?

Hi all,

I'm interested in finding a program that will allow me to create epub books that's accessible with nvda. Ideally, I would like to be able to import and use a collection of html files as chapters, although this isn't 100% required. Would appreciate any pointers on any accessible options for this that folks have found.

Thanks in advance,


Daniel

Re: accessible e-book creation?

Sarah k Alawami
 

I guess you can also use pandoc. And latex to write the book. There are tons of stuff on google and manuals, well written ones so learn at your own pace.

Good luck n your book.

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On 15 Jul 2019, at 1:20, Shaun Everiss wrote:

Hmmm, well that may be the subject for the blind vms cast.

Now, I have just a little load of things to do next week, but if you guys are interested, either shove this to chat or email me off list and I will look at it.

I do have linux in vmware, but I guess you will want to have something we can view in the windows os first.

Where would I go to get a look at tools and have anyone actually tried any, it could be a good project.

Again, if you are interested, email me and maybe I can add this to some sort of support thing on the cast, thats the 3rd message on this topic, so there is interest, and now I have a platform to post it.




On 15/07/2019 6:58 PM, Sean Murphy wrote:

If you are writing a book, you require an EPub author tool. On windows I am not aware of any accessible products. It is important to keep your chapters in separate files to make the table of contents work effectively.


I would suggest looking at the DASY foundation site.


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Daniel Wolak
Sent: Monday, 15 July 2019 11:14 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] accessible e-book creation?

Hi all,

I'm interested in finding a program that will allow me to create epub books that's accessible with nvda. Ideally, I would like to be able to import and use a collection of html files as chapters, although this isn't 100% required. Would appreciate any pointers on any accessible options for this that folks have found.

Thanks in advance,


Daniel








Re: accessible e-book creation?

Jonathan COHN
 

You should talk with George Kerscher from the Daisy Consortium. Daisy and EPub 3 are overlapping standards, and I am pretty sure that daisy.org has a list of applications for creating Daisy files. This is an area where I have some interest but no time research so I would definitely listen in on a discussion of creating digital books using the NVDA screen reader.

Best Wishes,

Jonathan
On 7/14/19, 9:16 PM, "nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of Daniel Wolak" <nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of danielwolak97@...> wrote:

Hi all,

I'm interested in finding a program that will allow me to create epub
books that's accessible with nvda. Ideally, I would like to be able to
import and use a collection of html files as chapters, although this
isn't 100% required. Would appreciate any pointers on any accessible
options for this that folks have found.

Thanks in advance,


Daniel

Re: labeling the button objects in decTalk speak windows

Jonathan COHN
 

Is this something that the Magic cursor app from Joseph Lee would do?

 

  • Jonathan

 

From: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@...>
Reply-To: "nvda@nvda.groups.io" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Date: Sunday, July 14, 2019 at 4:06 PM
To: "nvda@groups.io" <nvda@groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] labeling the button objects in decTalk speak windows

 

Hi,

In jaws I can turn on its accessibility driver, and then the jaws cursor shows me the graphics in the old windows95 decTalk speak window notepad-type applications and I can click the graphics for play, different voices, rate faster, rate slower, and so on. Only after turning on the legacy accessibility driver does this work. So my question is this, how can I easily, as a person who is not a programmer, *easily* label these buttons with NVDA? I turned on speak tooltips and routed the mouse but there are no tooltips, OCR does not help either. Can someone please make an addon so I can relabel and reclass objects as I come across them using object navigation, please?

 

Josh

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

Re: How to make sure that formatting is perfect in Excel

 

On Mon, Jul 15, 2019 at 07:57 AM, Mohd. Ahtesham Shaikh wrote:
I face issues.
Have you no one you collaborate with?   Is there no one you can have take a look, literally, at what is supposed to be the final product?

There really are times, when speed is of the essence in particular, where there is no substitute for sight.  And from a business perspective it's a much more effective use of time (and money) to seek assistance from a collaborator in an instance like this.  Said assistant doesn't even have to understand the content, per se, but just look for things like the glaring run of # symbols if a numeric cell has become too small for its numeric value or similar.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362  

The color of truth is grey.

           ~ André Gide

 

 

Re: How to make sure that formatting is perfect in Excel

Mohd. Ahtesham Shaikh
 

Yes I do use all these but my problem is when there is a huge form which needs to be edited and formatted, I face issues.

I mean there are certain cells which are smaller than the text they contain but since I am unable to view the text visually, I do not know if the text is fully visible to people with vision or not. So now I need some key command which detects such issues in the excel file and creates a list of corrective suggestions.

Example, there is a key combination, nvda key plus f but it reads cell formatting features of a particular cell which it very time consuming when the sheet huge.

Moreover, there have been instances where even by trying to auto fit the height of the cell, still the text is hidden and so on.

So the reasons of such issues is also not clear.

Hope my concerns are understood.


Thanks





On 15-Jul-19 5:16 PM, Chris Mullins wrote:

Hi

Could you say what keyboard based formatting you currently use? 

 

The key things are column widths, cell formatting/formulas/filling, cell merging, sheet naming, moving and copying but if you know all these already, there’s not much more I can say.

 

Cheers

Chris      

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mohd. Ahtesham Shaikh
Sent: 15 July 2019 07:48
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to make sure that formatting is perfect in Excel

 

Hi friends,
-- I think this message has not grabbed attension of the mailing list users, so resending it again. Kindly help me in this.
Mohd. Ahtesham
From India
Using Windows 8.1 at home and windows 10 pro in office


--
Mohd. Ahtesham
From India
Using Windows 8.1 at home and windows 10 pro in office

Re: How to make sure that formatting is perfect in Excel

Chris Mullins
 

Hi

Could you say what keyboard based formatting you currently use? 

 

The key things are column widths, cell formatting/formulas/filling, cell merging, sheet naming, moving and copying but if you know all these already, there’s not much more I can say.

 

Cheers

Chris      

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mohd. Ahtesham Shaikh
Sent: 15 July 2019 07:48
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to make sure that formatting is perfect in Excel

 

Hi friends,
-- I think this message has not grabbed attension of the mailing list users, so resending it again. Kindly help me in this.
Mohd. Ahtesham
From India
Using Windows 8.1 at home and windows 10 pro in office

Re: NVDA add-on: Developer toolkit 2019.1.1 now available.

Andy B.
 

Hi,

 

For support, see the mailing list at http://www.groups.io/g/nvda-developer-toolkit. To answer your question, you press the gestures indicated towards the bottom of the announcement.

 

This topic should be locked because the only form of support is given in the add-on’s mailing list to keep other lists clean.

 

 

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Sent: Monday, July 15, 2019 2:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA add-on: Developer toolkit 2019.1.1 now available.

 

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From: Andy B.
Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2019 5:35 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA add-on: Developer toolkit 2019.1.1 now available.

 

Hi,

Developer toolkit 2019.1.1 is ready for download.

Release announcement: https://github.com/ajborka/nvda_developer_toolkit/releases/tag/2019.1.1

Direct download: https://github.com/ajborka/nvda_developer_toolkit/releases/download/2019.1.1/developerToolkit-2019.1.1.nvda-addon

Repository: https://github.com/ajborka/nvda_developer_toolkit

Mailing list: http://www.groups.io/g/nvda-developer-toolkit

 

Developer toolkit (DTK) is an NVDA add-on that assists blind and visually impaired developers to independently create visually appealing user interfaces or web content. This is done by enabling DTK, navigating around the user interface or web content, then performing gestures to obtain information about the appearance, location, and size of the focused control. To enable or disable DTK, press alt+windows+k on your keyboard.

2019.1.1

• DTK will no longer attempt to load itself multiple times when announcing the version number.

• DTK will be disabled on install. Previously, the add-on would enable itself when installed.

• Messages presented to the user can now contain non-ascii characters.

• Pressing gestures such as a, b, c, f, h, l, r, s, t, v, and w no longer interupt NVDA speech when copying to the clipboard.

 

 

 

 

epub files

 

Hi.

searching things online shows this from daisy.

http://www.daisy.org/daisypedia/tools-creating-epub-3-files

and this top 10

https://publishdrive.com/ebook-writing-software/

Now as to what and how updated all this is is not known.

If you know how to code there are clearly several files about, however its up to the user.

One must try and see, and I have noted this down, and will try these, some of these  are cross platform, some like pandoc may need a frontend.

Re: accessible e-book creation?

 

Hmmm, well that may be the subject for the blind vms cast.

Now, I have just a little load of things to do next week, but if you guys are interested, either shove this to chat or email me off list and I will look at it.

I do have linux in vmware, but I guess you will want to have something we can view in the windows os first.

Where would I go to get a look at tools and have anyone actually tried any, it could be a good project.

Again, if you are interested, email me and maybe I can add this to some sort of support thing on the cast, thats the 3rd message on this topic, so there is interest, and now I have a platform to post it.

On 15/07/2019 6:58 PM, Sean Murphy wrote:
If you are writing a book, you require an EPub author tool. On windows I am not aware of any accessible products. It is important to keep your chapters in separate files to make the table of contents work effectively.


I would suggest looking at the DASY foundation site.


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Daniel Wolak
Sent: Monday, 15 July 2019 11:14 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] accessible e-book creation?

Hi all,

I'm interested in finding a program that will allow me to create epub books that's accessible with nvda. Ideally, I would like to be able to import and use a collection of html files as chapters, although this isn't 100% required. Would appreciate any pointers on any accessible options for this that folks have found.

Thanks in advance,


Daniel







Re: new keyboard issue

 

One word of warning, if your laptop is older by 2-4 years there is a possability that there may be only older drivers for some things.

For my old cloud system, a 7th generation, while yes there are updates, the drivers have not been updated in months.

I have had to resort to windows update drivers and generic drivers to get things to work right.

The bios has only just got updated and another few programs but they could have been universal drivers.

On my system while there are updates, they are never the latest and lag behind.

So last month, ages after windows 1903 I got updates to drivers saying they were put out at the end of the month and I know they weren't, other drivers followed backdated but not on time.

Finally the bios showed up saying it had support for 1903 which could mean my laptop could have not started at all because 1903 was not supported.

Depending on how old your unit is and such you may be able to go cold terkey and just reformat and use generics.

I'd only do this if you had up to a 4th generation, not sure when they started using intergrated sound and display hardware but if you have a single headphone jack for both microphone and headphone chances are you are running one of the newer boards.

However if you have 2 plugs like it used to be, and especially if you have a manual volume control, you may be able to get away with a full reformat and running on generics.

Be warned that you will void all laptop support and other repair terms of your licence but if its that old well.

On my workstation a 4th generation intel, While I update the sound regularly the display has not been updated since 2018, and the bios has not been updated since 2016, drivers are slated for win7-xp, and I have just reformat and run on some manufacturer drivers and generics.

But it may not apply to you.

You may or may not get away with installing the driver that was the latest, and crossing your fingers and toes.

You could always try to update the drivers manually from device manager and use a generic, but be warned if you use the windows update drivers your system could get worse as those drivers are never always the best and never updated all the time.

You could also get the wrong drivers.



On 15/07/2019 5:19 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Look up the laptop manufacturer's website, they should include drivers for everything on that model (so look up the laptop model)

On Mon, Jul 15, 2019 at 3:17 PM Marcio via Groups.Io <marcinhorj21=yahoo.com.br@groups.io> wrote:
Quentin,
The first thing I'd do is to try to work out which model you have, and look for an updated driver from the manufacturer.
As it is a laptop keyboard, could you please tell me how can I find what's the model? Would it be on the Devices Manager?

Cheers,
Marcio AKA Starboy

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Re: Making NVDA reconsider focus

Perry Simm
 

Hi Quentin!

On Monday, July 15, 2019 5:27 AM, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:

Is it one browser particularly or all browsers which do this?  Certainly it's not desired behaviour, but I can't replicate it myself just now.
It isn't even restricted to browsers. Sometimes it is Outlook, sometimes Visual Studio, sometimes Word.

Two things I can think to try though:
- Are you using any add-ons which might steal focus or interrupt what is happening when you start your Browser?  Dropbox (from memory) did this at one point in Word, and I've heard of several anti-virus programs which do similar things.
No. In fact, focus is not stolen. Focus is where it should be at all times, only NVDA does not always track it.

- Otherwise, you could try running the COM registration fixing tool from NVDA's Tools menu.  This is designed to ensure that all needed DLL files are registered correctly.  Generally programs do this when they are installed, however sometimes installing or uninstalling programs can inadvertently deregister DLLs.
If some DLL were not correctly registered, these problems would occur every time I followed a certain script, not just intermittently.

It is a long-standing bug in NVDA, reported by some, reproduced by others, rehashed, reviewed, reconsidered, but, for months and months, never resolved. And now I should refrain from using so many rephrasings beginning with re but return to my regular revenue with relentless resolve.
Regards Perry