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locked Re: nvda skype group and skype groups in general

Brandon Cross <bcross3286@...>
 

Why not come out and say what you mean instead of making generalizations. Why not talk privately about your concerns to people who can do something about it. Why would you blather on in this list about something that will never change. Further, your feedback means nothing to me because I've seen how you are and you gripe about everything, so, constructive feedback you do not provide. You are a negative person and I have seen this before in you.


Joseph lee was removed because he used the group to promote his own means, and not that of NVDA. I have personally had a problem with everything he has done since he has entered the group. It is an accumulation of things and not just the sapi4 thing. Which, to me, I see that as a blatant lie. I cannot abide lies and misinformation in a group that is supposed to give correct information and help those in need. Now, this could have been an honest mistake, but again, I don't see it as such. Me and another admin contacted Mr. Lee privately and he refused to discuss these issues with us.


Without going further into things, because I feel all of us have the right to our privacy, and I will not breach that for any reason, let's just say I think the group is better off without him. He has a serious lack of communication skills and has hurt the group with this, and his self-centered attitude. I feel NVDA is about community and Mr. Lee is about individuality.


I am appreciative of his good works in code contributions to NVDA and will remain so. I will never say he does not write good code. I do feel, however, that he lacks the skills to manage people and run a group or community.


So, in summation, I felt his attitude to be a blight on the support group, and I removed said blight. The majority of people have expressed either gratitude or their ascent to the group as a whole since his removal. This will be the last time I will mention this matter, and I am genuinely sorry if this message causes any distress among any of you. I do not enjoy starting drama or any of the nonsense that goes along with it.


Thanks and I hope next time I post, it will be a bit more lighthearted.

On 7/12/2016 11:51 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Hi all users.
I am having some serious concerns about groups on skype.
I know we are not able to control what goes on outside this forum, however, while I like unmoderated groups from time to time on loose topics etc, I do see times when a moderator was needed.
Yesterday some users had issue with another user.
How he came accross and said user saying sapi4 didn't work on windows 10 which it does, saying that I was unsure never have used it in 10 myself.
I do know old sapi5 ms voices can cause dammage, etc.
Said user was removed without a chance to defend his actions.
Then both groups had their join features disabled.
It also appears with skype groups in general that everyone can add remove, disable, hide unhide everything and everyone and the only protection is to ask not to.
Clearly skype groups are not secure.
Once someone has a dissaggreement it can turn ugly quite fast.
I have seen random strings, and other junk posted on some of these and offtopic chatter which I was happy to take part in.
I am no longer associated with both groups involved though.
A few days ago there was a descussion on what group or list was a good mediam for nvda.
A forum and a email list came up.
From what I saw yesterday, an email list and forum can be moderated and not everyone has admin power.
Yesterday it demonstrated how unready we as a community or at least some of us are ready for that power.
Because of this to those in the groups effected I am not coming back.
You didn't give joseph lee a chance to defend himself and I do the same now.
You have driven me away from what I thought would be a good group, and have shown me skype groups are not the best medium for descussion at all especially if they can not be moderated or secured.
There are a lot more things I want to say but I have said my bit.
I also know by putting this I am probably making enemies here may even be cutting my path out of the groups involved, but I have no choice really.
I know we as a community are better than this.


Re: PayPal seems to be browser related

Chris
 

Try a new clean profile
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/profile-manager-create-and-remove-firef
ox-profiles#w_creating-a-profile

Then see if you can use paypal

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Clare
Page
Sent: 13 July 2016 10:29
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] PayPal seems to be browser related

Hi!
Interesting that you have so much trouble with Firefox, both for using
PayPal and for authorizing Twitter clients! I made a payment with PayPal
last week using Firefox 47.0 and had no problems at all. I had to
re-authorise TWBlue relatively recently, also using Firefox, I forget which
version, and that worked fine too. Firefox is my default browser, and I have
never yet had to change the default to IE to do anything. Either I'm lucky
not to have problems with Firefox while others do, or there must be some
reason why this is happening to you and not to the rest of us, which I can't
guess. Hopefully somebody can!
Bye for now!
From Clare

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Roger
Stewart
Sent: mardi 12 juillet 2016 23:15
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] PayPal seems to be browser related

I just tried using PayPal with Internet Explorer 11 and it worked!
Don't know if something was changed in Firefox or if PayPal has just added
itself to an ever increasing number of web sites that just don't work
correctly with Firefox. These sites are usually ones dealing with
money--either sending, donating, or buying something online. Also I've
noticed that none of the Twitter clients like TW Blue or Chicken Nugget can
be authorized with Twitter unless I set my default browser to IE.
So for now, I'll just use IE when doing anything with PayPal and hope it
keeps working as it should.


Roger


Re: PayPal seems to be browser related

Clare Page <clare.page@...>
 

Hi!
Interesting that you have so much trouble with Firefox, both for using PayPal and for authorizing Twitter clients! I made a payment with PayPal last week using Firefox 47.0 and had no problems at all. I had to re-authorise TWBlue relatively recently, also using Firefox, I forget which version, and that worked fine too. Firefox is my default browser, and I have never yet had to change the default to IE to do anything. Either I'm lucky not to have problems with Firefox while others do, or there must be some reason why this is happening to you and not to the rest of us, which I can't guess. Hopefully somebody can!
Bye for now!
From Clare

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Roger Stewart
Sent: mardi 12 juillet 2016 23:15
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] PayPal seems to be browser related

I just tried using PayPal with Internet Explorer 11 and it worked!
Don't know if something was changed in Firefox or if PayPal has just added itself to an ever increasing number of web sites that just don't work correctly with Firefox. These sites are usually ones dealing with money--either sending, donating, or buying something online. Also I've noticed that none of the Twitter clients like TW Blue or Chicken Nugget can be authorized with Twitter unless I set my default browser to IE.
So for now, I'll just use IE when doing anything with PayPal and hope it keeps working as it should.


Roger


Re: FW: Notes on NVDA and PowerPoint

Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

Pranav,

 

Good to hear your experience. I am relieved to find that your experience reflects my own.

 

I am particularly interested in the detail of navigating tables. As you say, column divisions are not echoed  so:

1.      How do you know when you are in one column or another?

2.      Is there any way of knowing which column your active point is in?

3.      What keystrokes are involved apart from those which you have already described?

 

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pranav Lal
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2016 1:43 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] FW: Notes on NVDA and PowerPoint

 

Hi all,

 

In terms of table navigation and editing:

1.       I can read tables in slide show mode.

2.       When in object navigation mode, reading of a table or editing a table is difficult because column seperators are not spoken. This used to happen even with Jaws version 16 I think.

3.       I am on PowerPoint 2016 and  whatever has been discussed so far is applicable to that version.

4.       The tab and shift+tab are standard keystrokes. The same applies to f6 and shift+f6.

Pranav

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike Sedmak
Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2016 2:27 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] FW: Notes on NVDA and PowerPoint

 

Has anyone had luck navigating tables in powerpoint?  Table navigation does not work for me in powerpoint.

I have to resort to using tab to step through every cell.

Thanks,

Mike

 

Sent from my iPhone, please forgive the typos. 


On Jul 9, 2016, at 2:52 PM, Sukil Etxenike via
Groups.io <sukiletxe@...> wrote:

Hi,
You can also press ctrl+F6 or ctrl+shift+F6 to move forth and back between pannels. And S and D (or was it A and S) also work to go to the previous and next slide in the slideshow.

Regards,
Sukil

El 09/07/2016 a las 20:36, Cearbhall O'Meadhra escribió:

Hi,

 

I have been working all day on this topic and have put together the following notes about using PowerPoint with NVDA. Please let me know what you think of these notes. Have you any improvements to suggest?

 

I have used PowerPoint 2010 on Windows 10 using NVDA 2016.2 on my Desktop Pc.

 

Notes on the use of PowerPoint with NVDA

 

1. File opens in slide view

2. Page Down moves from slide to slide showing the title pane

 

For the first slide:

3. Press tab to move to the title placeholder. NVDA reads the title of the slide;

4. Press tab again to move to the subtitle placeholder. NVDA reads the subtitle;

5. Press tab again to move to the embedded graphic. NVDA  says "Graphic" if no alt text;

6. Press tab again to move to rectangle shape.

7. Press tab again to return to the title placeholder at the top of the slide

 

Press page down For the second slide:

8. Press tab to move to the title placeholder

9. Press tab to go to the text placeholder. NVDA reads all the text in the placeholder

10. Press numpad 9 and numbpad 7 to read the text in the placeholder line by line

11. Press tab to move to the graphic image. NVDA reports the location of the graphic in the computer when the alt text has not been filled in.

 

Press page down for the third slide

12. Press tab for the Title placeholder

13. Press tab for the object placeholder. NVDA reads all the text as in the text placeholder at 9 above

 

 

Press pagedown for slide 4;

Same as slide 3.

 

Press page down for slide 5

15. Press tab for footer placeholder. NVDA reads all text in the footer;

16. Press tab for slide number placeholder. NVDA reads out the number of the slide;

17. Press tab for title placeholder

18. Press tab for text placeholder.

19. Press tab to return to the footer placeholder.

 

control+home jumps to the first slide

control+end jumps to the last slide.

 

The Slide Show

 

Press F5 to start the slide show

NVDA reads the whole slide from top to bottom including the title and leaves the cursor at the bottom of the slide.

1. Press page down and page up to move from slide to slide. Note that it may be necessary to wait for a few seconds between key presses to allow the slide show to catch up;

2. Press numpad 9 and numpad 7 to read the contents of the slide line by line.

3. Press return or space bar to move to the next slide. Sometimes nothing happens and then do the instruction at 4 below.

4. Type the  number  of a slide followed by return to jump to that slide.

5. Press control-shift-s to switch back and forth between the slide and its accompanying notes.

6. Use F6 to move between the status bar pane, slide view pane, thumbnails pane and notes pane. Use the arrow keys to move through the options available in each of these panes. Use F6 to move to the chosen view to see the results.

7. Use the escape key to exit the slide show.

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From: Cearbhall O'Meadhra [mailto:cearbhall.omeadhra@...]
Sent: Saturday, July 9, 2016 12:08 PM
To: '
nvda@nvda.groups.io'
Subject: RE: NVDA and PowerPoint

 

Hi again,

 

I am using PowerPoint 2010 with NVDA 2016.2 and Windows 10 on a desktop PC.

 

All advice welcome, thanks!

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Cearbhall O'Meadhra
Sent: Saturday, July 9, 2016 11:48 AM
To:
nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and PowerPoint

 

Hi,

 

I have taken on a new project in which I have to be able to read several PowerPoint presentations. Are there any guides for using PowerPoint with NVDA? Can anyone give me any pointers from their own experience?

 

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

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Re: Announcing a Skype-based NVDA Tech Support and Dev Discussion channel

 

Hi,

Also, the Skype channel will not replace various mailing lists on NVDA. Thanks.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: Joseph Lee [mailto:joseph.lee22590@...]
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2016 12:07 AM
To: 'NVDA screen reader development' <nvda-devel@...>
Subject: Announcing a Skype-based NVDA Tech Support and Dev Discussion channel

 

Dear members of the NVDA community,

 

As NVDA is a global movement and as more and more people are drawn to exciting forms of communication, it is vital that we explore new forms of outreach. To many, Skype is a great venue for communicating with devs and other community members, to receive answers on the fly and receive guidance on issues.

 

This possibility was realized in April when a group of NVDA users created a support group on Skype for those using NVDA (for the record, I’m not the admin nor the creator). For the past few months, this channel became an informative venue for discussing NVDA and other topics, and for some, receive tech support for issues. Unfortunately, due to recent incidents and change of some policies from respected Skype group admins, it became clear that a new outreach channel was needed, one that emphasized openness, community participation and welcoming environment.

 

Thus, a brand new Skype group, dedicated to providing Skype-based tech support and development discussions on NVDA is now available. Before you join, here are some of the things you’ll find in the new channel:

 

·         Openness: the channel will employ 24/7/365 open door policy where anyone can join freely and provide support.

·         Staffed by NVDA contributors.

·         Open to NVDA-related events such as classes, conferences and so forth. One immediate change is that Summer Live Tech Support and follow-up discussions to app module creation course will be held from this new channel from now on. As for event host, any member can organize it (the only thing the admins will kindly request is letting channel participants know when it’ll take place to reduce conflicts).

 

Few things to remember:

 

·         Group calls can be initiated by anyone after giving a channel-wide notice prior to calling the channel. This is to let interested parties know what’s going on and for others to filter announcements of this type, and this is a common courtesy.

·         Text chats are also welcome.

·         This is in no way a direct replacement of NVDA Support group and/or other Skype-based support channels, nor will replace tech support provided by NV Access and other companies.

 

And with that, the join link:

https://join.skype.com/AWq7X0Kpzccz

 

Thank you.

Sincerely,

Joseph Lee

 


Announcing a Skype-based NVDA Tech Support and Dev Discussion channel

 

Dear members of the NVDA community,

 

As NVDA is a global movement and as more and more people are drawn to exciting forms of communication, it is vital that we explore new forms of outreach. To many, Skype is a great venue for communicating with devs and other community members, to receive answers on the fly and receive guidance on issues.

 

This possibility was realized in April when a group of NVDA users created a support group on Skype for those using NVDA (for the record, I’m not the admin nor the creator). For the past few months, this channel became an informative venue for discussing NVDA and other topics, and for some, receive tech support for issues. Unfortunately, due to recent incidents and change of some policies from respected Skype group admins, it became clear that a new outreach channel was needed, one that emphasized openness, community participation and welcoming environment.

 

Thus, a brand new Skype group, dedicated to providing Skype-based tech support and development discussions on NVDA is now available. Before you join, here are some of the things you’ll find in the new channel:

 

·         Openness: the channel will employ 24/7/365 open door policy where anyone can join freely and provide support.

·         Staffed by NVDA contributors.

·         Open to NVDA-related events such as classes, conferences and so forth. One immediate change is that Summer Live Tech Support and follow-up discussions to app module creation course will be held from this new channel from now on. As for event host, any member can organize it (the only thing the admins will kindly request is letting channel participants know when it’ll take place to reduce conflicts).

 

Few things to remember:

 

·         Group calls can be initiated by anyone after giving a channel-wide notice prior to calling the channel. This is to let interested parties know what’s going on and for others to filter announcements of this type, and this is a common courtesy.

·         Text chats are also welcome.

·         This is in no way a direct replacement of NVDA Support group and/or other Skype-based support channels, nor will replace tech support provided by NV Access and other companies.

 

And with that, the join link:

https://join.skype.com/AWq7X0Kpzccz

 

Thank you.

Sincerely,

Joseph Lee

 


Reading Stock Performance with a screen reader?

 

Hello,
How do people read stock performance graphs with NVDA or any screen reader? I find that nearly all stock watchers show a line graph over a long period of time that has no numerical representation. When I ask sighted people to read the graph to me, they can say something like:
Back in July 2015 it was -15%. From July to November it rose up to 1%, then in December it flattened out. in January it fell to -30% and stayed down until March where it sharply rose up to 10%. From March until July it has been rising until where it is now at 40%.

Is there any way I can get the above kind of data currently using a screen reader?
How do people currently read stock performance data?
Thanks,


locked nvda skype group and skype groups in general

 

Hi all users.
I am having some serious concerns about groups on skype.
I know we are not able to control what goes on outside this forum, however, while I like unmoderated groups from time to time on loose topics etc, I do see times when a moderator was needed.
Yesterday some users had issue with another user.
How he came accross and said user saying sapi4 didn't work on windows 10 which it does, saying that I was unsure never have used it in 10 myself.
I do know old sapi5 ms voices can cause dammage, etc.
Said user was removed without a chance to defend his actions.
Then both groups had their join features disabled.
It also appears with skype groups in general that everyone can add remove, disable, hide unhide everything and everyone and the only protection is to ask not to.
Clearly skype groups are not secure.
Once someone has a dissaggreement it can turn ugly quite fast.
I have seen random strings, and other junk posted on some of these and offtopic chatter which I was happy to take part in.
I am no longer associated with both groups involved though.
A few days ago there was a descussion on what group or list was a good mediam for nvda.
A forum and a email list came up.
From what I saw yesterday, an email list and forum can be moderated and not everyone has admin power.
Yesterday it demonstrated how unready we as a community or at least some of us are ready for that power.
Because of this to those in the groups effected I am not coming back.
You didn't give joseph lee a chance to defend himself and I do the same now.
You have driven me away from what I thought would be a good group, and have shown me skype groups are not the best medium for descussion at all especially if they can not be moderated or secured.
There are a lot more things I want to say but I have said my bit.
I also know by putting this I am probably making enemies here may even be cutting my path out of the groups involved, but I have no choice really.
I know we as a community are better than this.


Re: PayPal seems to be browser related

 

On 7/12/2016 8:16 PM, Gene wrote, in part:  "every demanding blind Internet user should have at least two browsers on their machine."


Gene is correct; every internet user should have at least two browsers on their machine, and know how to use both at a basic level.  Issues between specific websites and individual web browsers have been on the rise for years.  Since you will never avoid it entirely, knowing how to use two or more web browsers is often the difference between success or failure, and that's whether you're blind or not.

I've got four:  Firefox (primary), Chrome (very close secondary), Edge (distant third), IE11 (fourth, not far behind Edge). 

If you use add-ons or extensions that are ad blockers or privacy focused like HTTPS Everywhere, Ghostery, No Script, or the like it's really important to have one browser that does not have any of these installed.  There are times when it's an add-on or extension that is causing issues, and unless you know how to start your favored browser with add-ons/extensions disabled or want to try disabling these one-by-one, having a "naked" browser is a really easy way to avoid getting stuck when you have no time to be stuck.

Brian


Re: Problems with browse mode

John J. Boyer
 

It happens on every web page I have tried, on both IE and Firefox. I'm
using the version of NVDA that was downloadable just last week from the
nvaccess website.

On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 10:15:01AM +1000, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi John,

Is this on one particular page / document / program / browser, or
everywhere? And using NVDA 2016.2.1 or one of the snapshot builds?

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 3:12 AM, John J. Boyer <john.boyer@...
wrote:
I am using Braille. When I switch to browse mode with nvda+space I can
only see one line of the document. If I tether Braille to the review
cursor I get Top and Bottom when I press the numpad 7 and 9 keys. What
am I
doing wrong?

thanks,
John

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Re: Proposal for a new braille feature

 

Hi Quentin,
I think without use of a hack from Jamie (NV Access), it becomes a bit hard to hunt down issues via GitHub. For me, a Google search with some keywords helps in locating the ticket in question or an issue that references the original ticket.
Cheers,
Joseph

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2016 5:35 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Proposal for a new braille feature

Thanks Joseph - I did look before adding the new issue but nothing else came up for me.

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On 13 July 2016 at 10:26, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:
Hi everyone,

It turns out we do have several tickets regarding this suggestion.
Thus I’ll go ahead and close others.

The actual ticket in question:

https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/3022

Cheers,

Joseph



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Quentin Christensen
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2016 5:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Proposal for a new braille feature



Hi Jordy, everyone.



This is a good suggestion, and I've created an issue to officially
request it / track its implementation on Github:
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6171



Jordy particularly, if you are on GitHub, if you comment on that
issue, you will be notified of progress of the feature.



Kind regards



Quentin.



On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 7:00 AM, erik burggraaf
<erik@...>
wrote:

Hi I just did some research on this and I found out that alt + F7 goes
to the next misspelled word in Microsoft Office applications. so if
your cursor is blinking to show you which letter you are on with your
Braille display than the first letter of the misspelled word should
half the blinking cursor. please let us know if this works for you at
least as a temporary workaround. if it's actually effective then the
developers may not want to implement the feature the same as it would
have been in Jaws or supernova

Hope this helps,

Erik

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On July 12, 2016 4:16:20 PM "Webmaster Deweer"
<webmaster_deweer@...>
wrote:

Hi all,

I would like to propose a new feature for the braille output in NVDA.

In many other screenreaders, you can view miss spelled words (and bad
grammar) in braille with a line of dots 7 and 8, well or not blinking.
By
example: in Jaws I can activate a feature that helps in MS Office to
show spelling and grammar mistakes with a constant line of dots seven and eight.
In Supernova I can do the same, but there the line blinks.

Is it possible to add a feature as described above in NVDA 2016.3 or
in a newer version?

I cannot program in Python 2.7, or not good enough in Python 3.5, so I
can’t help, but I will help if I can!

Hope someone’ll add this proposal to GitHub!

Thanks in advance!

Best regards,

Jordy Deweer.





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Re: FW: Notes on NVDA and PowerPoint

Pranav Lal
 

Hi all,

 

In terms of table navigation and editing:

1.       I can read tables in slide show mode.

2.       When in object navigation mode, reading of a table or editing a table is difficult because column seperators are not spoken. This used to happen even with Jaws version 16 I think.

3.       I am on PowerPoint 2016 and  whatever has been discussed so far is applicable to that version.

4.       The tab and shift+tab are standard keystrokes. The same applies to f6 and shift+f6.

Pranav

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike Sedmak
Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2016 2:27 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] FW: Notes on NVDA and PowerPoint

 

Has anyone had luck navigating tables in powerpoint?  Table navigation does not work for me in powerpoint.

I have to resort to using tab to step through every cell.

Thanks,

Mike

 

Sent from my iPhone, please forgive the typos. 


On Jul 9, 2016, at 2:52 PM, Sukil Etxenike via Groups.io <sukiletxe@...> wrote:

Hi,
You can also press ctrl+F6 or ctrl+shift+F6 to move forth and back between pannels. And S and D (or was it A and S) also work to go to the previous and next slide in the slideshow.

Regards,
Sukil

El 09/07/2016 a las 20:36, Cearbhall O'Meadhra escribió:

Hi,

 

I have been working all day on this topic and have put together the following notes about using PowerPoint with NVDA. Please let me know what you think of these notes. Have you any improvements to suggest?

 

I have used PowerPoint 2010 on Windows 10 using NVDA 2016.2 on my Desktop Pc.

 

Notes on the use of PowerPoint with NVDA

 

1. File opens in slide view

2. Page Down moves from slide to slide showing the title pane

 

For the first slide:

3. Press tab to move to the title placeholder. NVDA reads the title of the slide;

4. Press tab again to move to the subtitle placeholder. NVDA reads the subtitle;

5. Press tab again to move to the embedded graphic. NVDA  says "Graphic" if no alt text;

6. Press tab again to move to rectangle shape.

7. Press tab again to return to the title placeholder at the top of the slide

 

Press page down For the second slide:

8. Press tab to move to the title placeholder

9. Press tab to go to the text placeholder. NVDA reads all the text in the placeholder

10. Press numpad 9 and numbpad 7 to read the text in the placeholder line by line

11. Press tab to move to the graphic image. NVDA reports the location of the graphic in the computer when the alt text has not been filled in.

 

Press page down for the third slide

12. Press tab for the Title placeholder

13. Press tab for the object placeholder. NVDA reads all the text as in the text placeholder at 9 above

 

 

Press pagedown for slide 4;

Same as slide 3.

 

Press page down for slide 5

15. Press tab for footer placeholder. NVDA reads all text in the footer;

16. Press tab for slide number placeholder. NVDA reads out the number of the slide;

17. Press tab for title placeholder

18. Press tab for text placeholder.

19. Press tab to return to the footer placeholder.

 

control+home jumps to the first slide

control+end jumps to the last slide.

 

The Slide Show

 

Press F5 to start the slide show

NVDA reads the whole slide from top to bottom including the title and leaves the cursor at the bottom of the slide.

1. Press page down and page up to move from slide to slide. Note that it may be necessary to wait for a few seconds between key presses to allow the slide show to catch up;

2. Press numpad 9 and numpad 7 to read the contents of the slide line by line.

3. Press return or space bar to move to the next slide. Sometimes nothing happens and then do the instruction at 4 below.

4. Type the  number  of a slide followed by return to jump to that slide.

5. Press control-shift-s to switch back and forth between the slide and its accompanying notes.

6. Use F6 to move between the status bar pane, slide view pane, thumbnails pane and notes pane. Use the arrow keys to move through the options available in each of these panes. Use F6 to move to the chosen view to see the results.

7. Use the escape key to exit the slide show.

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From: Cearbhall O'Meadhra [mailto:cearbhall.omeadhra@...]
Sent: Saturday, July 9, 2016 12:08 PM
To: 'nvda@nvda.groups.io'
Subject: RE: NVDA and PowerPoint

 

Hi again,

 

I am using PowerPoint 2010 with NVDA 2016.2 and Windows 10 on a desktop PC.

 

All advice welcome, thanks!

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Cearbhall O'Meadhra
Sent: Saturday, July 9, 2016 11:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and PowerPoint

 

Hi,

 

I have taken on a new project in which I have to be able to read several PowerPoint presentations. Are there any guides for using PowerPoint with NVDA? Can anyone give me any pointers from their own experience?

 

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

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Re: Proposal for a new braille feature

Quentin Christensen
 

Thanks Joseph - I did look before adding the new issue but nothing
else came up for me.

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On 13 July 2016 at 10:26, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:
Hi everyone,

It turns out we do have several tickets regarding this suggestion. Thus I’ll
go ahead and close others.

The actual ticket in question:

https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/3022

Cheers,

Joseph



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin
Christensen
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2016 5:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Proposal for a new braille feature



Hi Jordy, everyone.



This is a good suggestion, and I've created an issue to officially request
it / track its implementation on Github:
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6171



Jordy particularly, if you are on GitHub, if you comment on that issue, you
will be notified of progress of the feature.



Kind regards



Quentin.



On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 7:00 AM, erik burggraaf <erik@...>
wrote:

Hi I just did some research on this and I found out that alt + F7 goes to
the next misspelled word in Microsoft Office applications. so if your
cursor is blinking to show you which letter you are on with your Braille
display than the first letter of the misspelled word should half the
blinking cursor. please let us know if this works for you at least as a
temporary workaround. if it's actually effective then the developers may not
want to implement the feature the same as it would have been in Jaws or
supernova

Hope this helps,

Erik

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On July 12, 2016 4:16:20 PM "Webmaster Deweer" <webmaster_deweer@...>
wrote:

Hi all,

I would like to propose a new feature for the braille output in NVDA.

In many other screenreaders, you can view miss spelled words (and bad
grammar) in braille with a line of dots 7 and 8, well or not blinking. By
example: in Jaws I can activate a feature that helps in MS Office to show
spelling and grammar mistakes with a constant line of dots seven and eight.
In Supernova I can do the same, but there the line blinks.

Is it possible to add a feature as described above in NVDA 2016.3 or in a
newer version?

I cannot program in Python 2.7, or not good enough in Python 3.5, so I can’t
help, but I will help if I can!

Hope someone’ll add this proposal to GitHub!

Thanks in advance!

Best regards,

Jordy Deweer.





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Re: Proposal for a new braille feature

 

Hi everyone,

It turns out we do have several tickets regarding this suggestion. Thus I’ll go ahead and close others.

The actual ticket in question:

https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/3022

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2016 5:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Proposal for a new braille feature

 

Hi Jordy, everyone.

 

This is a good suggestion, and I've created an issue to officially request it / track its implementation on Github: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6171

 

Jordy particularly, if you are on GitHub, if you comment on that issue, you will be notified of progress of the feature.

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 7:00 AM, erik burggraaf <erik@...> wrote:

Hi I just did some research on this and I found out that alt + F7 goes to the next misspelled word in Microsoft Office applications.  so if your cursor is blinking to show you which letter you are on with your Braille display than the first letter of the misspelled word should half the blinking cursor.  please let us know if this works for you at least as a temporary workaround. if it's actually effective then the developers may not want to implement the feature the same as it would have been in Jaws or supernova

Hope this helps,

Erik

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On July 12, 2016 4:16:20 PM "Webmaster Deweer" <webmaster_deweer@...> wrote:

Hi all,

I would like to propose a new feature for the braille output in NVDA.

In many other screenreaders, you can view miss spelled words (and bad grammar) in braille with a line of dots 7 and 8, well or not blinking. By example: in Jaws I can activate a feature that helps in MS Office to show spelling and grammar mistakes with a constant line of dots seven and eight. In Supernova I can do the same, but there the line blinks.

Is it possible to add a feature as described above in NVDA 2016.3 or in a newer version?

I cannot program in Python 2.7, or not good enough in Python 3.5, so I can’t help, but I will help if I can!

Hope someone’ll add this proposal to GitHub!

Thanks in advance!

Best regards,

Jordy Deweer.



 

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Training Material Developer

Ph +61 7 3149 3306 

Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org 
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Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: PayPal seems to be browser related

Gene
 

When a site doesn't work correctly with one browser, one of the first things that should be tried is at least one different browser if the person uses more than one.  And every demanding blind Internet user should have at least two browsers on their machine.   
 
From:
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2016 4:15 PM
Subject: [nvda] PayPal seems to be browser related

I just tried using PayPal with Internet Explorer 11 and it worked! 
Don't know if something was changed in Firefox or if PayPal has just
added itself to an ever increasing number of web sites that just don't
work correctly with Firefox. These sites are usually ones dealing with
money--either sending, donating, or buying something online. Also I've
noticed that none of the Twitter clients like TW Blue or Chicken Nugget
can be authorized with Twitter unless I set my default browser to IE. 
So for now, I'll just use IE when doing anything with PayPal and hope it
keeps working as it should.


Roger





Re: Problems with browse mode

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi John,

Is this on one particular page / document / program / browser, or everywhere?  And using NVDA 2016.2.1 or one of the snapshot builds?

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 3:12 AM, John J. Boyer <john.boyer@...> wrote:
I am using Braille. When I switch to browse mode with nvda+space I can
only see one line  of the document. If I tether Braille to the review
cursor I get Top and Bottom when I press the numpad 7 and 9 keys. What
am I
doing wrong?

thanks,
John

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Training Material Developer

Ph +61 7 3149 3306 
Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: Proposal for a new braille feature

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Jordy, everyone.

This is a good suggestion, and I've created an issue to officially request it / track its implementation on Github: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6171

Jordy particularly, if you are on GitHub, if you comment on that issue, you will be notified of progress of the feature.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 7:00 AM, erik burggraaf <erik@...> wrote:

Hi I just did some research on this and I found out that alt + F7 goes to the next misspelled word in Microsoft Office applications.  so if your cursor is blinking to show you which letter you are on with your Braille display than the first letter of the misspelled word should half the blinking cursor.  please let us know if this works for you at least as a temporary workaround. if it's actually effective then the developers may not want to implement the feature the same as it would have been in Jaws or supernova

Hope this helps,

Erik

Sent with AquaMail for Android
http://www.aqua-mail.com

On July 12, 2016 4:16:20 PM "Webmaster Deweer" <webmaster_deweer@...> wrote:

Hi all,

I would like to propose a new feature for the braille output in NVDA.

In many other screenreaders, you can view miss spelled words (and bad grammar) in braille with a line of dots 7 and 8, well or not blinking. By example: in Jaws I can activate a feature that helps in MS Office to show spelling and grammar mistakes with a constant line of dots seven and eight. In Supernova I can do the same, but there the line blinks.

Is it possible to add a feature as described above in NVDA 2016.3 or in a newer version?

I cannot program in Python 2.7, or not good enough in Python 3.5, so I can’t help, but I will help if I can!

Hope someone’ll add this proposal to GitHub!

Thanks in advance!

Best regards,

Jordy Deweer.




--
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Training Material Developer

Ph +61 7 3149 3306 
Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: where to learn programing

Quentin Christensen
 

The Cisco Academy for the Vision impaired do online courses.  Not sure if they have anything on programming going at the moment but they're here:  http://www.ciscovision.org/

Regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 12:57 AM, Adrián Mena <adrianm7m@...> wrote:
Hello guys, I would like to hear your recommendations about sites or
places where to learn programming or anything related to web sites or
computers on internet.
They can be paid or free.
Thank you.






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Training Material Developer

Ph +61 7 3149 3306 
Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: where to learn programing

Ryan Mann <rmann0581@...>
 

If you decide to learn PHP, you can learn the basics from W3 Schools.
Then you can use the manual at php.net for reference. If you want to
do web programming, PHP is a good language to learn.

On 7/12/16, Jacob Kruger <jacob@...> wrote:
For web-development, although some people don't like it, I still recommend,

and return to it for reference material often enough, w3schools.com:
http://www.w3schools.com/

They have nice, step-by-step tutorials on various aspects of web content,
programming, database manipulation/integration, etc. etc.

Stay well

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

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From: "Adrián Mena" <adrianm7m@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2016 4:57 PM
Subject: [nvda] where to learn programing


Hello guys, I would like to hear your recommendations about sites or
places where to learn programming or anything related to web sites or
computers on internet.
They can be paid or free.
Thank you.







PayPal seems to be browser related

Roger Stewart
 

I just tried using PayPal with Internet Explorer 11 and it worked! Don't know if something was changed in Firefox or if PayPal has just added itself to an ever increasing number of web sites that just don't work correctly with Firefox. These sites are usually ones dealing with money--either sending, donating, or buying something online. Also I've noticed that none of the Twitter clients like TW Blue or Chicken Nugget can be authorized with Twitter unless I set my default browser to IE. So for now, I'll just use IE when doing anything with PayPal and hope it keeps working as it should.


Roger