Hi and welcome!

On Thursday, July 18, 2019 1:48 PM, Phil Jenkins gmail <philjenkins1966@gmail.com> wrote:

[...] I have decided to make the slow but sure move to NVDA. I’ve heard great things about the screen reader and in fact I’ve heard in many cases I should be able to do things with NVDA that I cannot do with JAWS.

Congratulations on making the transition to true freedom.

So my PC is Windows10 with MS-Office.

Great start. NVDA feels right at home on Win 10 with latest Office.

1 Is there a document that gives NVDA equivalent keyboards commands as JAWS, ie if you did X ion JAWS then do Y in NVDA? Presumably the ‘access’ key is the zero on the num pad that JAWS uses?

There is a document that gets pretty close to what you are looking for: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda-community/wiki/SwitchingFromJawsToNVDA

2 What is the best default email client and web browser to use with  NVDA? Have experience of Outlook, Outlook Express, poor experience of  Thunderbird. Have used I#e, Firefox and Chrome. No experience of Edge.

Chrome and Firefox work great, with Chrome feeling slightly snappier and Firefox feeling slightly more consistent. I'd stay away from Edge until they have completed the transition to the Chromium engine, at which point everything will be good roads and fair weather. In general, anything Chromium-based will be a delightful user experience, so you'll be perfectly safe using Opera or Brave if you so choose.
As for email clients, I'd go for Outlook or Thunderbird or use a web mailer such as Gmail or Protonmail, which is what I chose because I like to enjoy some degree of privacy and sometimes even anonymity in the jungle they call the net.

3 Music player? WMP or WinAmp or something else?

Winamp is currently semi-abandoned but still works if you know your hotkeys. VLC is more accessible and more configurable.

4 Does NVDA work with any kind of ‘Open Office’ non MS office suite?

There is some support for LibreOffice but it is not on par with how NVDA supports MS Office.

I guess the things I use the most with my old Win7Pro machine that I’m about to stop using and move to the Win10 machine are:
- Outlook

Green light.

- - IE, Firefox (or Waterfox) and Chrome.

Forget about IE, with any of the others you'll be fine.

- Word.

Perfect match.

- Audible Manager

Old, unsupported, but still much more accessible than the new Windows 10 app. Audible also has a cloud player which you can use right in your browser, and it's accessible.

- Soundtaxi

No idea.

- Sendspace

Neither.

- Ccleaner

It's getting less and less accessible, but in the mode called "custom clean" it can still be used.

- Secure Notes

Never heard of that one. Sounds interesting.

- Dropbox

Unpredictable in terms of updates breaking accessibility, but they're trying.

- WMP.

Lots of tabbing. Go with VLC, is my advice.
Cheers Perry

Thanks Ollie!

PJ :)



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-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mallard
Sent: 18 July 2019 15:10
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] greetings from a new user, making transition from JAWS2018 using Win10 and looking for tips and tricks and default program suggestions

Hello PJ,


Welcome to this group, and I'm sure you'll enjoy your experience with NVDA.


I've been using it exclusively since 2009, and I've certainly seen it grow.


From what I read and hear from other users, The two screen readers both have features that are better than the other, but NvDA is definitely an excellent product.


About the NVDA Key: I use both the Insert (or 0) on the keypad, and the Capslock.


This setup comes in handy, because if you have to go to the NVDA menu,
for example, you can press Capslock with your left hand and the letter N
with your right hand, and so on.


I use LibreOffice, although there are still some accessibility issues
here and there; Thunderbird for email, Firefox, Chrome and Brave as
browsers, and vlc instead of wmp.


As for commands, you find a full list in the Help section of the NVDA
menu (NVDA key + N).


I hope you enjoy your transition, and I'm sure other users will give you
more detailed tips and recommendations.


Take care,

Ciao,

Ollie


Il 18/07/2019 13:48, Phil Jenkins gmail ha scritto:

Greetings folks

I’m a 20+ year user of JAWS. Not necessarily because it has been the
‘best’ but rather because it was what my employer and uni’ provided
and it simply became habitual. Now I have to pay for all upgrades
myself, and not really enjoying the ‘drug pusher’ like relationship
JAWS has with its users, I have decided to make the slow but sure move
to NVDA. I’ve heard great things about the screen reader and in fact
I’ve heard in many cases I should be able to do things with NVDA that
I cannot do with JAWS.

So my PC is Windows10 with MS-Office.

1Is there a document that gives NVDA equivalent keyboards commands as
JAWS, ie if you did X ion JAWS then do Y in NVDA? Presumably the
‘access’ key is the zero on the num pad that JAWS uses?

2What is the best default email client and web browser to use with
NVDA? Have experience of Outlook, Outlook Express, poor experience of
Thunderbird. Have used I#e, Firefox and Chrome. No experience of Edge.

3Music player? WMP or WinAmp or something else?

4Does NVDA work with any kind of ‘Open Office’ non MS office suite?

I guess the things I use the most with my old Win7Pro machine that I’m
about to stop using and move to the Win10 machine are:

-Outlook

-- IE, Firefox (or Waterfox) and Chrome.

-Word.

-Audible Manager

-Soundtaxi

-Sendspace

-Ccleaner

-Secure Notes

-Dropbox

-WMP.

Thanks all and apologies if this question has been asked and asked
again, feel free to point me at web resources that will answer my
questions.

Kindest

PJ

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Greetings folks

I’m a 20+ year user of JAWS. Not necessarily because it has been the
‘best’ but rather because it was what my employer and uni’ provided
and it simply became habitual. Now I have to pay for all upgrades
myself, and not really enjoying the ‘drug pusher’ like relationship
JAWS has with its users, I have decided to make the slow but sure move
to NVDA. I’ve heard great things about the screen reader and in fact
I’ve heard in many cases I should be able to do things with NVDA that
I cannot do with JAWS.

So my PC is Windows10 with MS-Office.

1Is there a document that gives NVDA equivalent keyboards commands as
JAWS, ie if you did X ion JAWS then do Y in NVDA? Presumably the
‘access’ key is the zero on the num pad that JAWS uses?

2What is the best default email client and web browser to use with
NVDA? Have experience of Outlook, Outlook Express, poor experience of
Thunderbird. Have used I#e, Firefox and Chrome. No experience of Edge.

3Music player? WMP or WinAmp or something else?

4Does NVDA work with any kind of ‘Open Office’ non MS office suite?

I guess the things I use the most with my old Win7Pro machine that I’m
about to stop using and move to the Win10 machine are:

-Outlook

-- IE, Firefox (or Waterfox) and Chrome.

-Word.

-Audible Manager

-Soundtaxi

-Sendspace

-Ccleaner

-Secure Notes

-Dropbox

-WMP.

Thanks all and apologies if this question has been asked and asked
again, feel free to point me at web resources that will answer my
questions.

Kindest

PJ

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The prefs are actually very accessible. I used it last night to check some stuff. Everything read and I could do everythign I could before with it.

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For stuff we sell, mac training materials and  tutorials go here.
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On 18 Jul 2019, at 1:57, Vincent Le Goff wrote:

Thanks for reporting.  I was rather desperate when I found out I couldn't open my Dropbox folder that easily.  The dropbox window isn't that accessible IMO with NVDA, no matter the installed addons.

I reported the issue to Dropbox directly.  Although no answer was sent at this date (that is 10 hours later or so), I find my Dropbox opening normally this morning (though I followed your set of steps).  Again, the preference dialog isn't that accessible with NVDA, though we can manage this modification since it's in the general tab.  I reported my "partial success" to the Dropbox team, asking if possibly accessibility with NVDA and other screen readers could be more tested before features are released.  I do hope for a positive feedback.

Thanks again,

Vincent

On 7/18/2019 4:40 AM, Arlene wrote:

Hi friends:  If your dropbox suddenly looks weird. Here’s how to fix it if you need to

_________________________________________________________________

Howdy All,

 

I just ran into an issue with Dropbox where it wouldn't let me acces my files.  Well, it turned out that it wanted to update and after downloading the

installer and reinstalling Dropbox navigating the folders flat out sucked, so here's how to change the necessary setting for easier navigation.

 

1. Open Dropbox from the system tray, tab to, Access and Manage your Dropbox settings button, and press enter.

 

2. Now tab to, Preferences, and press enter.

 

3. On the General tab, tab to the, Open folders in Dropbox combobox, open this combobox and choose the, Explorer, option.  With Jaws you can open this

combobox with Alt + down arrow and then up arrow to the Explorer option and press enter to close the combobox.  Now tab to, Okay, and press enter to save

and close preferences.

Note:  This can act a little tricky so it might take a couple of attempts to get the Explorer settings change to stick.

If you have a shortcut key that opens Dropbox options, after you openDropbox up arrow to, Preferences, press enter and follow step 3 from above.

Take care. 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

Thanks for reporting.  I was rather desperate when I found out I couldn't open my Dropbox folder that easily.  The dropbox window isn't that accessible IMO with NVDA, no matter the installed addons.

I reported the issue to Dropbox directly.  Although no answer was sent at this date (that is 10 hours later or so), I find my Dropbox opening normally this morning (though I followed your set of steps).  Again, the preference dialog isn't that accessible with NVDA, though we can manage this modification since it's in the general tab.  I reported my "partial success" to the Dropbox team, asking if possibly accessibility with NVDA and other screen readers could be more tested before features are released.  I do hope for a positive feedback.

Thanks again,

Vincent

On 7/18/2019 4:40 AM, Arlene wrote:

Hi friends:  If your dropbox suddenly looks weird. Here’s how to fix it if you need to

_________________________________________________________________

Howdy All,

 

I just ran into an issue with Dropbox where it wouldn't let me acces my files.  Well, it turned out that it wanted to update and after downloading the

installer and reinstalling Dropbox navigating the folders flat out sucked, so here's how to change the necessary setting for easier navigation.

 

1. Open Dropbox from the system tray, tab to, Access and Manage your Dropbox settings button, and press enter.

 

2. Now tab to, Preferences, and press enter.

 

3. On the General tab, tab to the, Open folders in Dropbox combobox, open this combobox and choose the, Explorer, option.  With Jaws you can open this

combobox with Alt + down arrow and then up arrow to the Explorer option and press enter to close the combobox.  Now tab to, Okay, and press enter to save

and close preferences.

Note:  This can act a little tricky so it might take a couple of attempts to get the Explorer settings change to stick.

If you have a shortcut key that opens Dropbox options, after you openDropbox up arrow to, Preferences, press enter and follow step 3 from above.

Take care. 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

Greetings folks

I’m a 20+ year user of JAWS. Not necessarily because it has been the ‘best’ but rather because it was what my employer and uni’ provided and it simply became habitual. Now I have to pay for all upgrades myself, and not really enjoying the ‘drug pusher’  like relationship JAWS has with its users, I have decided to make the slow but sure move to NVDA. I’ve heard great things about the screen reader and in fact I’ve heard in many cases I should be able to do things with NVDA that I cannot do with JAWS.

So my PC is Windows10 with MS-Office.

1Is there a document that gives NVDA equivalent keyboards commands as JAWS, ie if you did X ion JAWS then do Y in NVDA? Presumably the ‘access’ key is the zero on the num pad that JAWS uses?

2What is the best default email client and web browser to use with  NVDA? Have experience of Outlook, Outlook Express, poor experience of  Thunderbird. Have used I#e, Firefox and Chrome. No experience of Edge.

3Music player? WMP or WinAmp or something else?

4Does NVDA work with any kind of ‘Open Office’ non MS office suite?

I guess the things I use the most with my old Win7Pro machine that I’m about to stop using and move to the Win10 machine are:

-Outlook

-- IE, Firefox (or Waterfox) and Chrome.

-Word.

-Audible Manager

-Soundtaxi

-Sendspace

-Ccleaner

-Secure Notes

-Dropbox

-WMP.

Thanks all and apologies if this question has been asked and asked again, feel free to point me at web resources that will answer my questions.

Kindest

PJ

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Evidently by felt like, you mean you believed or believe there is one called local.  But what do you want to do?  Do you want to change sync from the default?  If you aren't sure what may happen, with Drop Box not running, when you are at, not in, the Dropbox folder, copy the folder to the clipboard and paste it somewhere else as a backup.  Then experiment.  Or if you let us know exactly what you want to do, use the sync you have been using in the past or change something, you might get answers for the specific thing you want to do.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Luke Davis

Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2019 11:17 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Using tdropbox on W10?

It is not clear that the Dropbox add-on would help you with this, although since
there is one, you might want to try it just in case.

I thought that most of the button accessibility problems for Dropbox were
resolved by Dropbox themselves in more recent versions, but maybe they've
introduced a new one. Hard to say, as I have not seen the situation you're
talking about.

On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, Matt Turner wrote:
> Hi, I'm using the latest version of NVDA, and no dropbox addon.
>
> When I signed in to my db account on my pc, I got the online recommended
> option button for syncing.
>
> I didn't see another button, but i felt like there was one called local.
>
> I have all my dropbox folder on another drive, there's 123 gigs of stuff in
> there, and I didn't want it moving my local files from the drive, then trying
> to redownload them again.

yes, xp is the simplest operating system in the world that i used until
now.

On 7/18/19, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@gmail.com> wrote:

To be honest xp is still a really good os especially for older games.

Win7 still has some of the xp features like a real midi mapper etc.

And while I have sorted out most issues on 10 there are still a few
things I like in win7.

I like how the explorer shell behaves especially some of the copy
dialogs.

And in xp I like the simplicity of the interface.

For the net, win10 is good for that.



On 18/07/2019 7:33 PM, zahra wrote:

xp is not for previous century!
xp first started in 2001!

On 7/18/19, Felix G. <constantlyvariable@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi!
The solution, as has been pointed out repeatedly, is to drop XP and
arrive in the 21st century. It's a great century to live in. I'm sure
you'll enjoy it.
Best,
Felix

Am Do., 18. Juli 2019 um 04:54 Uhr schrieb zahra
<nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>:

i really need to use skype.
i cant use android phone.
and skype for web does not support older versions of google chrome and
not support firefox at all.
whats the solution for me?

On 7/18/19, Arlene <nedster66@gmail.com> wrote:

There: You can try it if you want. Not sure if it will work with
xp.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: zahra
Sent: July 17, 2019 6:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2019.2 Beta 3, arrow keys do not work in
Skype
8.49under Windows 10 Ver. 1809.

hi joseph.
do you mean if i can install skype 8.49 one day and use nvda 2017.2
which is my favorite version, it works correctly without any issue?
thanks for your help, God bless you!

On 7/18/19, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi,
I think this has to do with the fact that Skype 8 is set by NVDA to
not
use
browse mode by default. Try pressing NVDA+Space and see if browse
mode
is
engaged.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of John
Isige
Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2019 12:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA 2019.2 Beta 3, arrow keys do not work in Skype
8.49
under Windows 10 Ver. 1809.

Hey all. I think the subject about covers it. If I open Skype, this
is
the
desktop version or whatever they're calling it, under NVDA 2019.2
Beta
3,
and try to arrow around, nothing happens. It works fine under NVDA
2019.1.1.
What should happen is that it moves and reads a line, e.g. "menu
button
submenu more options", "search for people groups and messages", "use
dial
pad", and so on, that's arrowing down from the top.
Tabbing between things works, but not the arrows, at least for me. I
figured
I'd mention it in case anybody knows of a fix, or at least to find
out
if
it's a known issue, and if not, to make people aware of it.

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