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Re: log file for testing - log didn't come throught eh list who should I send it to?
Ralf Kefferpuetz
Just send it to me Sam, my email is novalis7747@...
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sam Bushman
Sent: Donnerstag, 18. Juli 2019 20:04 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] log file for testing - log didn't come throught eh list who should I send it to?
Thanks, Sam
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Re: SPL Addon Questions
Roger Stewart
It is Station Playlist. It includes
Station Playlist Studio, Station Playlist Streamer and Playlist
Creator. The add on covers all these now. The main program,
Station Playlist Studio is D J program for radio and internet
broadcasting. I've been using it for several years now, and the
add on is super!
Roger
On 7/18/2019 1:22 PM, Adel Spence
wrote:
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Re: Logging onto Website
George McCoy <slr1bpz@...>
If you purchased ebooks, MS shut down that service and is refunding everyone's money. I don't know about other things you might have purchased.
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Hth, George
On 7/18/2019 12:19 PM, Christopher Gray wrote:
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Re: Brltty, anything new
David Csercsics
You could try the Linux for Windows subsystem, but again that's for another list/topic. I'll poke around. I don't have an older display to test with exactly, but I can mess around with BRLTTY with what I have and see if we can get something to work. I don't see why we couldn't just use what narrator has already installed. I may ping Microsoft and see if there is a solution to this that's easy. From poking around a tiny bit, it looks like Narrator uses the latest BRLTTY, so it's just a matter of how do we get NVDA to use that. I'll try the Microsoft folks and see if I can get a decent response out of them. I used to use an old PowerBraille too, and I quite liked it.
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Re: greetings from a new user, making transition from JAWS2018 using Win10 and looking for tips and tricks and default program suggestions
Jackie
The truth is that many screenreaders have adopted similar commands
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now, so that making a transition from 1 to another doesn't have to be an exercise in agony. I personally use & prefer Firefox. The nv-access.org website sells some books to get you started w/the basics, it's like $24 USD, for the text version, a bit more for the audio, & goes to support ongoing NVDA development. 2 birds, 1 stone, great investment.
On 7/18/19, Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:
Hi, welcome to the list. Hey, if you are moving to NVDA. You can still have --
Subscribe to a WordPress for Newbies Mailing List by sending a message to: wp4newbs-request@... with 'subscribe' in the Subject field OR by visiting the list page at http://www.freelists.org/list/wp4newbs & check out my sites at www.brighter-vision.com & www.mysitesbeenhacked.com
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Re: SPL Addon Questions
Adel Spence
what is spl?
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log file for testing - log didn't come throught eh list who should I send it to?
Sam Bushman
Thanks, Sam
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Re: greetings from a new user, making transition from JAWS2018 using Win10 and looking for tips and tricks and default program suggestions
Arlene
Hi, welcome to the list. Hey, if you are moving to NVDA. You can still have Jaws on your computer until you get used to NVDA then once you are fully there then you can get rid of Jaws. I have both here but I use NVDA for some things. Then I use Jaws for other things. My room mate is a computer teacher and uses it for her teaching. I’m newly on win ten.
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: Phil Jenkins gmail
Sent: July 18, 2019 6:57 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] greetings from a new user, making transition from JAWS2018using Win10 and looking for tips and tricks and default program suggestions
Greetings folks
I’m a 20+ year user of JAWS. Not necessarily because it has been the ‘best’ but rather because it was what my employer and uni’ provided and it simply became habitual. Now I have to pay for all upgrades myself, and not really enjoying the ‘drug pusher’ like relationship JAWS has with its users, I have decided to make the slow but sure move to NVDA. I’ve heard great things about the screen reader and in fact I’ve heard in many cases I should be able to do things with NVDA that I cannot do with JAWS.
So my PC is Windows10 with MS-Office.
1 Is there a document that gives NVDA equivalent keyboards commands as JAWS, ie if you did X ion JAWS then do Y in NVDA? Presumably the ‘access’ key is the zero on the num pad that JAWS uses? 2 What is the best default email client and web browser to use with NVDA? Have experience of Outlook, Outlook Express, poor experience of Thunderbird. Have used I#e, Firefox and Chrome. No experience of Edge. 3 Music player? WMP or WinAmp or something else? 4 Does NVDA work with any kind of ‘Open Office’ non MS office suite?
I guess the things I use the most with my old Win7Pro machine that I’m about to stop using and move to the Win10 machine are: - Outlook - - IE, Firefox (or Waterfox) and Chrome. - Word. - Audible Manager - Soundtaxi - Sendspace - Ccleaner - Secure Notes - Dropbox - WMP.
Thanks all and apologies if this question has been asked and asked again, feel free to point me at web resources that will answer my questions.
Kindest
PJ
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Re: Problem with Outlook Extended; Status: Enabled; Version: 1.2
Sam Bushman
My debug log is attached. Thanks, Sam
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ralf Kefferpuetz
Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2019 11:36 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Problem with Outlook Extended; Status: Enabled; Version: 1.2
Hi Sam, Please see below Cyrille her comments and ask. **** **** ****
From: nvda-addons@nvda-addons.groups.io <nvda-addons@nvda-addons.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cyrille via Groups.Io
Hello all
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sam Bushman
Ok, I can wait.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ralf Kefferpuetz
Sam,
The fastest way would be to go to the 64bit version of Office 365 as long you have a 64bit Windows. But don’t forget that you would have to uninstall and re-install Office and that would lead to loosing your Outlook settings. I wrote Cyrille a message about the problem, She is taking care about the current addon. I’m going to find a solution together with her to get this solved. I can offer you my older addon outlook enhanced in the meantime, I modified it so that it works with the new control-ID’s.
Cheers, Ralf
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sam Bushman
Hi Ralf,
Yes, you are correct. Is it better for me to wait until the fix – or better for me to upgrade to the 64bit version? I would be grateful for your recommendation.
Thanks, Sam
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ralf Kefferpuetz
Hello,
I’m one of the co-authors of this addon. Am I right that you are using office365 32bit version? We discovered a problem that Microsoft changed some control-ID’s in the 32bit versions of Outlook and that’s why the Alt-numkeys aren’t working anymore. I’m sure that a future update of the addon will handle this issue.
Best, Ralf From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sam Bushman
Hi All,
I am having a problem with Outlook Extended; Status: Enabled; Version: 1.2 plugin.
I am running NonVisual Desktop Access (NVDA) Version: beta-18028,e579eb02
However same issue with the latest official release of NVDA as well.
When I press shift-nvda-I or shift-nvda-a the commands work perfectly.
But, when I press alt-1-9 I just get the message (Not in a message window). This is when I am in a message.
Any ideas how I can resolve this?
Thanks so much for any help. Sam
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Re: greetings from a new user, making transition from JAWS2018 using Win10 and looking for tips and tricks and default program suggestions
Gene
I haven't used Waterfox but it should be either
fully accessible or just about fully. The same with Firefox, and Chrome,
both of which I use. They are completely or just about completely
accessible.
I haven't used Word much nor open source word
processors so I'll let others discuss that.
Whether you use JAWS or not, it’s a good idea to
have a demo on your system in case it works better for something enough that you
want to use it for a short time during the forty minute running time.
There is an NVDA add-on that allows you to use a
system tray dialog similar to that in JAWS, but for now, I'll discuss using the
system tray itself.
To get to the system tray, use the command Windows
key b.
You can use first letter navigation in the system
tray. You can move using the left and right arrows from item to item as
well.
The new version of DropBox doesn't work fully with
the system tray add-on in NVDA. If you want to use the familiar menu you
have probably used, move to the Dropbox icon and press enter. The familiar
menu will open.
Here are the commands to use in
the System tray.
Double left click is
enter.
Single left click is space
bar.
Right click is the context menu
key. I would think shift f10 would work as well if you don't have a
context menu key, but I haven't checked.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Phil Jenkins gmail
Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2019 12:17 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] greetings from a new user, making transition
from JAWS2018 using Win10 and looking for tips and tricks and default program
suggestions Gene
Many thanks for this wonderful overview. I’m about to begin a MSc with The Open University in October. Whilst the Disabled Student Allowance (DSA) ‘might’ buy me a new SMA for JAWS (currently using 2018) I fell out of ‘love’ with JAWS years ago, and since they bought out Window-Eyes and promptly shut them down, I find their business model very distasteful indeed!! My adoption of JAWS was via the workplace and in the past the huge advantage of JAWS was it could be adapted to use very weird and wonderful software environments in the workplace. Now I’m simply an advanced home user who wants to study effectively and efficiently, I think I ought to both ‘dump’ this Win7Pro PC along with JAWS and when I move to my new Win10 laptop, move completely and use NVDA. Anyhow, that’s my motivation.
Yes, I am someone who uses the system tray quite a lot, especially for Dropbox. I nowadays c myself quite an advanced Windows user.
Now here’s the question: should I splash to on Office 365 or can I use some kind of Open Source, free office suite just as well? Mostly all I really need to do is produce quite long documents when writing my postgrad essays. Of course, any open source free word processor *MUST* work with my tens of thousands of older documents going back to the late 80’s and most recently .docx files.
I had a go with Thunderbird and didn’t find it very easy to use but that’ might be because I was thinking too MS having moved from OE to Outlook and I note from the NVDA site that Thunderbird is fully accessible? Is Firefox and Waterfox and Chrome too?
I guess the NVDA key is the ‘zero’ on the num pad on the right hand side on a full-sized keyboard? Mind you, it might do me some good to use the left caps lock too given I’m having major RSI problems in the tendon of my right thumb which I reckon is because of the weird stretches I’m doing on my keyboard despite it supposedly being a ‘Natural’ MS ergonomic keyboard.
Again, hugest Thanks
PJ
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From:
nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Gene
You talked about making a slow transition to NVDA. it won't necessarily be that slow. A lot of what people do with a screen-reader isn't specifically using screen-reader commands. A lot of it is using Windows and program commands. there are certain commands you need to know with any screen--reader at the outset, in terms of efficient use and easier use with programs and Windows. Here are commands and some information you will want to know right away.
Run NVDA, control alt n. Unload NVDA, NVDA key q. Press it, wait a moment, then press enter. Working with the voice: Open the voice dialog with control NVDA key v. You are in a field where you select the voices available for the synthesizer you are using. Itsa combo box. Tab through the fields to see the adjustments you can make. The second field is for speed, there is a punctuation field, and other fields. There is an ok button once you have made the settings changes you want. Using the default NVDA settings, the settings are saved as permanent in the program when you exit NVDA or whenever it shuts down properly such as when you shut down Windows. You can change the settings whenever you want but they won't stay changed until you change them by exiting the program or manually save them, control NVDA key c. My point is that if you change them and the program crashes before you manually save them or before the program shuts down correctly in the same session as you changed them, the next time the program opens, the old settings will be used.
Let's say you have made a number of changes or even one, to NVDA as an experiment. If you haven't closed the program or manually saved the settings, you can set everything back as it was before you made the changes with control NVDA key r. This is very useful to immediately change settings back to what they were if you intend one or more changes to just be during the current session. Don't forget to change them back before closing the program or the new settings will be saved as the settings the program will use until you change them again.
Read to end is NVDA key down arrow, that is down arrow on the main keyboard. I use the caps lock as the NVDA key with this command. I find it far more convenient than using either insert with down arrow. You can set NvDA to use caps lock as an NVDA key. Both inserts can still be used. Open keyboard settings with control NVDA key k. Tab to a check box that allows the caps lock to work as an NVDA key. Check it with the space bar. Tab to and activate the ok button. Now you can use capslock down arrow as well as either insert down arrow for read to end. Of course,, you may use caps lock as the NVDA key whenever you wish. To use the caps lock key as the caps lock key, press it twice quickly--twice quickly for on, twice quickly for off. Read current line is NVDA key up arrow on the main keyboard. However, I use the numpad for that command. It requires only one hand and only one key to be pressed and it is clustered with the other review commands. Note the pattern: Read current line: Numpad 8. Read next line numpad 9. Read previous line, numpad 7. Current word, numpad 5. Next word, numpad 6. Previous word, numpad 4. Current character, numpad 2. Next character, numpad 3. Previous character numpad 1. All these reading commands are when using the default desktop layout. If you want to use the laptop layout, I don't know those commands. There is a different command for read to end in the laptop layout as well. Speak title bar, NVDA key t. Speak time, NVDA key 12. If you use the system tray, that will take a little explanation. NVDA doesn't explain how to use the system tray using it so ask here. Just about all commands you used to use in the virtual PC cursor are identical to JAWS. You may want speech instead of sounds and you may want to make a few other changes to how the equivalent of the Virtual PC Cursor works. Its called browse mode. If you want more information, ask here. of course, you can get this information in the user guide and elsewhere, but it will be faster and more convenient to get a few commands here and a little explanation.
Aside from what I've said, if you are a more advanced screen-reader user, you will want to know how to use what NVDA calls object navigation. You will also want to know how to use what NVDA calls screen review, the rough equivalent of the JAWS cursor even if you aren't more advanced. I won't go into all that here, but I'm presenting many things you may want to learn at the outset rather than later, though object navigation is something you may want to learn after screen-review. It is something you haven't worked with before but if its taught properly, you will catch on to it after some looking around and playing around. If you use materials to learn it and you have problems, ask here and I'll give some examples that may help you learn to use it better. Explanation, to an extent, when using object navigation is helpful but my experience is that you really learn it by playing around and following a few concrete examples along with and after a little explanation.
Here is something very important. When you use screen review, always go back to object navigation afterwords. Don't put it off or forget. If you stay in screen-review, many from the keyboard commands will work properly but some won't and you will have no idea why. That's why, you are still in screen review.
Others may have a good deal of other information you will be interested in such as about instructional material or commands I haven't discussed but my object is to get you using NVDA in a reasonable number of situations as easily and quickly as possible.
Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Mallard Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2019 9:09 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] greetings from a new user, making transition from JAWS2018 using Win10 and looking for tips and tricks and default program suggestions
Hello PJ,
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Re: Problem with Outlook Extended; Status: Enabled; Version: 1.2
Sam Bushman
Hi Ralf / All,
No matter what I do I just get “Not In A Message Window” I tried in reading a message. I started a new message and filled out the to, CC and BCC and subject fields and get the same thing. Pressing alt-1-6 just the same thing. I tried to shift-tab and don’t see an option to expand headers etc.
Outlook Extended; Status: Enabled; Version: 1.3-dev-20190718; Author: Cyrille Bougot
Thanks, Sam
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ralf Kefferpuetz
Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2019 11:36 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Problem with Outlook Extended; Status: Enabled; Version: 1.2
Hi Sam, Please see below Cyrille her comments and ask. **** **** ****
From: nvda-addons@nvda-addons.groups.io <nvda-addons@nvda-addons.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cyrille via Groups.Io
Hello all
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sam Bushman
Ok, I can wait.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ralf Kefferpuetz
Sam,
The fastest way would be to go to the 64bit version of Office 365 as long you have a 64bit Windows. But don’t forget that you would have to uninstall and re-install Office and that would lead to loosing your Outlook settings. I wrote Cyrille a message about the problem, She is taking care about the current addon. I’m going to find a solution together with her to get this solved. I can offer you my older addon outlook enhanced in the meantime, I modified it so that it works with the new control-ID’s.
Cheers, Ralf
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sam Bushman
Hi Ralf,
Yes, you are correct. Is it better for me to wait until the fix – or better for me to upgrade to the 64bit version? I would be grateful for your recommendation.
Thanks, Sam
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ralf Kefferpuetz
Hello,
I’m one of the co-authors of this addon. Am I right that you are using office365 32bit version? We discovered a problem that Microsoft changed some control-ID’s in the 32bit versions of Outlook and that’s why the Alt-numkeys aren’t working anymore. I’m sure that a future update of the addon will handle this issue.
Best, Ralf From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sam Bushman
Hi All,
I am having a problem with Outlook Extended; Status: Enabled; Version: 1.2 plugin.
I am running NonVisual Desktop Access (NVDA) Version: beta-18028,e579eb02
However same issue with the latest official release of NVDA as well.
When I press shift-nvda-I or shift-nvda-a the commands work perfectly.
But, when I press alt-1-9 I just get the message (Not in a message window). This is when I am in a message.
Any ideas how I can resolve this?
Thanks so much for any help. Sam
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Re: Problem with Outlook Extended; Status: Enabled; Version: 1.2
Sam Bushman
Of course sir, how do I put log mode to debug?
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ralf Kefferpuetz
Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2019 11:36 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Problem with Outlook Extended; Status: Enabled; Version: 1.2
Hi Sam, Please see below Cyrille her comments and ask. **** **** ****
From: nvda-addons@nvda-addons.groups.io <nvda-addons@nvda-addons.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cyrille via Groups.Io
Hello all
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sam Bushman
Ok, I can wait.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ralf Kefferpuetz
Sam,
The fastest way would be to go to the 64bit version of Office 365 as long you have a 64bit Windows. But don’t forget that you would have to uninstall and re-install Office and that would lead to loosing your Outlook settings. I wrote Cyrille a message about the problem, She is taking care about the current addon. I’m going to find a solution together with her to get this solved. I can offer you my older addon outlook enhanced in the meantime, I modified it so that it works with the new control-ID’s.
Cheers, Ralf
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sam Bushman
Hi Ralf,
Yes, you are correct. Is it better for me to wait until the fix – or better for me to upgrade to the 64bit version? I would be grateful for your recommendation.
Thanks, Sam
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ralf Kefferpuetz
Hello,
I’m one of the co-authors of this addon. Am I right that you are using office365 32bit version? We discovered a problem that Microsoft changed some control-ID’s in the 32bit versions of Outlook and that’s why the Alt-numkeys aren’t working anymore. I’m sure that a future update of the addon will handle this issue.
Best, Ralf From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sam Bushman
Hi All,
I am having a problem with Outlook Extended; Status: Enabled; Version: 1.2 plugin.
I am running NonVisual Desktop Access (NVDA) Version: beta-18028,e579eb02
However same issue with the latest official release of NVDA as well.
When I press shift-nvda-I or shift-nvda-a the commands work perfectly.
But, when I press alt-1-9 I just get the message (Not in a message window). This is when I am in a message.
Any ideas how I can resolve this?
Thanks so much for any help. Sam
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Re: dropbox
Arlene
Problem. Was happy to give you help. If you have jaws as a second screen reader. The person who shared the info is a primary jaws user. You can fix drop box using it. But I’m glad you were able to use NVDA to fix the problem.
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: Vincent Le Goff
Sent: July 18, 2019 1:57 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] dropbox
Thanks for reporting. I was rather desperate when I found out I couldn't open my Dropbox folder that easily. The dropbox window isn't that accessible IMO with NVDA, no matter the installed addons.
I reported the issue to Dropbox directly. Although no answer was sent at this date (that is 10 hours later or so), I find my Dropbox opening normally this morning (though I followed your set of steps). Again, the preference dialog isn't that accessible with NVDA, though we can manage this modification since it's in the general tab. I reported my "partial success" to the Dropbox team, asking if possibly accessibility with NVDA and other screen readers could be more tested before features are released. I do hope for a positive feedback.
Thanks again,
Vincent On 7/18/2019 4:40 AM, Arlene wrote:
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Re: Problem with Outlook Extended; Status: Enabled; Version: 1.2
Ralf Kefferpuetz
Hi Sam, Please see below Cyrille her comments and ask. **** **** ****
From: nvda-addons@nvda-addons.groups.io <nvda-addons@nvda-addons.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cyrille via Groups.Io
Hello all
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sam Bushman
Ok, I can wait.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ralf Kefferpuetz
Sam,
The fastest way would be to go to the 64bit version of Office 365 as long you have a 64bit Windows. But don’t forget that you would have to uninstall and re-install Office and that would lead to loosing your Outlook settings. I wrote Cyrille a message about the problem, She is taking care about the current addon. I’m going to find a solution together with her to get this solved. I can offer you my older addon outlook enhanced in the meantime, I modified it so that it works with the new control-ID’s.
Cheers, Ralf
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sam Bushman
Hi Ralf,
Yes, you are correct. Is it better for me to wait until the fix – or better for me to upgrade to the 64bit version? I would be grateful for your recommendation.
Thanks, Sam
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ralf Kefferpuetz
Hello,
I’m one of the co-authors of this addon. Am I right that you are using office365 32bit version? We discovered a problem that Microsoft changed some control-ID’s in the 32bit versions of Outlook and that’s why the Alt-numkeys aren’t working anymore. I’m sure that a future update of the addon will handle this issue.
Best, Ralf From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sam Bushman
Hi All,
I am having a problem with Outlook Extended; Status: Enabled; Version: 1.2 plugin.
I am running NonVisual Desktop Access (NVDA) Version: beta-18028,e579eb02
However same issue with the latest official release of NVDA as well.
When I press shift-nvda-I or shift-nvda-a the commands work perfectly.
But, when I press alt-1-9 I just get the message (Not in a message window). This is when I am in a message.
Any ideas how I can resolve this?
Thanks so much for any help. Sam
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Re: greetings from a new user, making transition from JAWS2018 using Win10 and looking for tips and tricks and default program suggestions
Luke Davis
Phil Jenkins wrote:
Now here’s the question: should I splash to on Office 365 or can I use some kind of Open Source, free office suite just as well? Mostly all I really needI wouldn't do either. I used OpenOffice for years, but this year I finally got sick of its issues, and bought a recycled office 2019 license and download from Amazon for $26. I understand the same can be done for even less now, $10-$12 USD. I guess the NVDA key is the ‘zero’ on the num pad on the right hand side on a full-sized keyboard? Mind you, it might do me some good to use the left capsThe NVDA key is any of the numpad insert, the regular insert (six-pack on a full size keyboard), or the capslock key. You can turn all three of those on or off as you see fit. They can be used interchangeably, based on your convenience. Luke
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Re: nvda and vlc?
I do all the time. I have 719 videos and now almost 500 subscribers. I won't discuss how I do my video editing here as I can't do that anywhere. I just do it and everyone likes it. But I love it. Anyway if anyone is interested email me in private and I'll shoot you a. youtube link, or maybe it's in my sig. Thanks for the vlc tips. I'll try it out later today on my stream. Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website. This is also our libsyn page as well. Our telegram channel is also a good place for an announce only in regard to podcasts, contests, etc. Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here
On 18 Jul 2019, at 8:18, Ame wrote:
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Re: dropbox
Phil Jenkins gmail
That’s what I do all the time, didn’t know there was a different way?
PJ
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 18 July 2019 18:02 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] dropbox
I don't know what you mean by prefs but the interface is not properly accessible if you want to do many things. You can't select more than one item at a time in the list. You can, therefore, only work with one item at a time. You can move up and down the list with the up and down arrow keys but you can't use home or end to move to the beginning or end of the list. These are serious limitations. If you want full accessibility to the list, as before, you have two or three options. Perhaps the best option, which I'll discuss here, is to have Dropbox running, but work with the folders and files in Windows Explorer, or file explorer, whatever your version of Windows calls it. How you get there may differ in different versions of Windows so I'll let others with different versions explain how they do so. I'll just explain Windows 7. Press the Windows key. Tab once. You are on your account specific files. Press enter. Type d until you get to Dropbox. This is the Dropbox folder. Press enter. Now, work with Dropbox exactly as before.
Gene ----- Original Message -----
The prefs are actually very accessible. I used it last night to check some stuff. Everything read and I could do everythign I could before with it. Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website. This is also our libsyn page as well. Our telegram channel is also a good place for an announce only in regard to podcasts, contests, etc. Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here On 18 Jul 2019, at 1:57, Vincent Le Goff wrote:
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Logging onto Website
Christopher Gray
Hi:
When I go to nvaccess.org I find no logon information. Is there a different website for actualy logging into the system to retrieve items I have purchased? Chris **************************************** Have you considered Annual Giving or including a gift to Missouri Council of the Blind in your Will or Estate Plan? Contact me as shown below and I can help you with this. ---------------------------------------- Christopher Gray, Executive Director Missouri Council of the Blind 5453 Chippewa St. Louis, MO 63109 Phone: (314) 832-7172 Toll-free: (800) 342-5632 Fax: (314) 832-7796 Like Jazz? Want to know more about jazz? Tune into "A Journey into Jazz" with the Jazz Guys on the Global Voice, Chris and Don. Listen live each Wednesday at 00:00 Utc, 7:00 P.M. Eastern, 4:00 P.M. Pacific Find us by going to theglobalvoice.info/broadband.pls. Can't listen live? go to theglobalvoice.info and choose the "Listen to Past Shows" link any time during the week after each live broadcast. You can also go to the link www.jazzguys.libsyn.com for the podcasts! Or, subscribe to us through iTunes or TuneIn Radio.
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Re: greetings from a new user, making transition from JAWS2018 using Win10 and looking for tips and tricks and default program suggestions
Phil Jenkins gmail
Gene
Many thanks for this wonderful overview. I’m about to begin a MSc with The Open University in October. Whilst the Disabled Student Allowance (DSA) ‘might’ buy me a new SMA for JAWS (currently using 2018) I fell out of ‘love’ with JAWS years ago, and since they bought out Window-Eyes and promptly shut them down, I find their business model very distasteful indeed!! My adoption of JAWS was via the workplace and in the past the huge advantage of JAWS was it could be adapted to use very weird and wonderful software environments in the workplace. Now I’m simply an advanced home user who wants to study effectively and efficiently, I think I ought to both ‘dump’ this Win7Pro PC along with JAWS and when I move to my new Win10 laptop, move completely and use NVDA. Anyhow, that’s my motivation.
Yes, I am someone who uses the system tray quite a lot, especially for Dropbox. I nowadays c myself quite an advanced Windows user.
Now here’s the question: should I splash to on Office 365 or can I use some kind of Open Source, free office suite just as well? Mostly all I really need to do is produce quite long documents when writing my postgrad essays. Of course, any open source free word processor *MUST* work with my tens of thousands of older documents going back to the late 80’s and most recently .docx files.
I had a go with Thunderbird and didn’t find it very easy to use but that’ might be because I was thinking too MS having moved from OE to Outlook and I note from the NVDA site that Thunderbird is fully accessible? Is Firefox and Waterfox and Chrome too?
I guess the NVDA key is the ‘zero’ on the num pad on the right hand side on a full-sized keyboard? Mind you, it might do me some good to use the left caps lock too given I’m having major RSI problems in the tendon of my right thumb which I reckon is because of the weird stretches I’m doing on my keyboard despite it supposedly being a ‘Natural’ MS ergonomic keyboard.
Again, hugest Thanks
PJ
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 18 July 2019 17:53 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] greetings from a new user, making transition from JAWS2018 using Win10 and looking for tips and tricks and default program suggestions
You talked about making a slow transition to NVDA. it won't necessarily be that slow. A lot of what people do with a screen-reader isn't specifically using screen-reader commands. A lot of it is using Windows and program commands. there are certain commands you need to know with any screen--reader at the outset, in terms of efficient use and easier use with programs and Windows. Here are commands and some information you will want to know right away.
Run NVDA, control alt n. Unload NVDA, NVDA key q. Press it, wait a moment, then press enter. Working with the voice: Open the voice dialog with control NVDA key v. You are in a field where you select the voices available for the synthesizer you are using. Itsa combo box. Tab through the fields to see the adjustments you can make. The second field is for speed, there is a punctuation field, and other fields. There is an ok button once you have made the settings changes you want. Using the default NVDA settings, the settings are saved as permanent in the program when you exit NVDA or whenever it shuts down properly such as when you shut down Windows. You can change the settings whenever you want but they won't stay changed until you change them by exiting the program or manually save them, control NVDA key c. My point is that if you change them and the program crashes before you manually save them or before the program shuts down correctly in the same session as you changed them, the next time the program opens, the old settings will be used.
Let's say you have made a number of changes or even one, to NVDA as an experiment. If you haven't closed the program or manually saved the settings, you can set everything back as it was before you made the changes with control NVDA key r. This is very useful to immediately change settings back to what they were if you intend one or more changes to just be during the current session. Don't forget to change them back before closing the program or the new settings will be saved as the settings the program will use until you change them again.
Read to end is NVDA key down arrow, that is down arrow on the main keyboard. I use the caps lock as the NVDA key with this command. I find it far more convenient than using either insert with down arrow. You can set NvDA to use caps lock as an NVDA key. Both inserts can still be used. Open keyboard settings with control NVDA key k. Tab to a check box that allows the caps lock to work as an NVDA key. Check it with the space bar. Tab to and activate the ok button. Now you can use capslock down arrow as well as either insert down arrow for read to end. Of course,, you may use caps lock as the NVDA key whenever you wish. To use the caps lock key as the caps lock key, press it twice quickly--twice quickly for on, twice quickly for off. Read current line is NVDA key up arrow on the main keyboard. However, I use the numpad for that command. It requires only one hand and only one key to be pressed and it is clustered with the other review commands. Note the pattern: Read current line: Numpad 8. Read next line numpad 9. Read previous line, numpad 7. Current word, numpad 5. Next word, numpad 6. Previous word, numpad 4. Current character, numpad 2. Next character, numpad 3. Previous character numpad 1. All these reading commands are when using the default desktop layout. If you want to use the laptop layout, I don't know those commands. There is a different command for read to end in the laptop layout as well. Speak title bar, NVDA key t. Speak time, NVDA key 12. If you use the system tray, that will take a little explanation. NVDA doesn't explain how to use the system tray using it so ask here. Just about all commands you used to use in the virtual PC cursor are identical to JAWS. You may want speech instead of sounds and you may want to make a few other changes to how the equivalent of the Virtual PC Cursor works. Its called browse mode. If you want more information, ask here. of course, you can get this information in the user guide and elsewhere, but it will be faster and more convenient to get a few commands here and a little explanation.
Aside from what I've said, if you are a more advanced screen-reader user, you will want to know how to use what NVDA calls object navigation. You will also want to know how to use what NVDA calls screen review, the rough equivalent of the JAWS cursor even if you aren't more advanced. I won't go into all that here, but I'm presenting many things you may want to learn at the outset rather than later, though object navigation is something you may want to learn after screen-review. It is something you haven't worked with before but if its taught properly, you will catch on to it after some looking around and playing around. If you use materials to learn it and you have problems, ask here and I'll give some examples that may help you learn to use it better. Explanation, to an extent, when using object navigation is helpful but my experience is that you really learn it by playing around and following a few concrete examples along with and after a little explanation.
Here is something very important. When you use screen review, always go back to object navigation afterwords. Don't put it off or forget. If you stay in screen-review, many from the keyboard commands will work properly but some won't and you will have no idea why. That's why, you are still in screen review.
Others may have a good deal of other information you will be interested in such as about instructional material or commands I haven't discussed but my object is to get you using NVDA in a reasonable number of situations as easily and quickly as possible.
Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Mallard Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2019 9:09 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] greetings from a new user, making transition from JAWS2018 using Win10 and looking for tips and tricks and default program suggestions
Hello PJ,
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Re: Code Factory add-in for NVDA
Gene
I doubt that copyrights have to specifically assert
copyright for every version of the software that exists. The SAPI version
uses Dectalk as the synthesizer used. SAPI is a means of communicating
with Windows, it is not the software itself. A patent holder on the
transistor doesn't have to patent every product transistors are used in.
You are making an equivalent claim.
Gene
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From: Josh Kennedy
Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2019 9:40 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Code Factory add-in for NVDA
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