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Re: Push Notifications With NVDA

 

Vincent,

           Thanks for that Ghacks article link, as it's quite thorough in explaining the control of this feature under Firefox and also includes links (which I did not follow) at the end discussing it for Chrome.

           Both this article and one I gave a link to several days ago show that for Chrome this feature is rapidly coming up on one year old and is around 8 months old for Firefox.   Because I don't allow push notifications I do not know what either browser has as its default setting as far as handing these off to Windows for presentation.  But if you (any you) suddenly start getting these via Windows and don't want them presented that way you'll have to tweak your browser settings to disallow pass-through and/or turn off permissions to receive push notifications from the sites where you've allowed them to come from in the first place.
 
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Re: synths

Jackie
 

Well, if anyone uses it, let me just advise that control + NVDA + r
reverts your configuration. They said it was in English--you couldn't
prove it by me. I couldn't understand anything, & I constantly heard a
bunch of clicking. For a minute there, I was scared I wasn't gonna be
able to get out of it & return to intelligible speech. Just 1 person's
opinion, & likely worth what you paid for it.

On 7/19/19, Shaun Everiss <@smeveriss> wrote:
Hi.

Over on win10, there was a discussion I think on the elequence
codefactory addon I think and issues with it.

A user suggested we all use the speech player addon.

Here is the thing though, how old is it, does it even work with espeak
ng, and will it work with the new py3 and threshhold.

If not we have a problem, that synth was to my mind only a concept.

And now, its just a bunch of outdated crap.

Seriously, as I said in that thread we need our own synth.

And either we chuck out the old crappy synth like speech player or we
actually try to continue where we started from.

I am not the authors of this but I'd have thought that if I were them I
would have made a decision before now as this was all done years and
years ago at least it looks like this.

I know this will come as a bit harsh, but it seems people just say we
have this older synth about that we made.

To be honest if we are serious in using our own synth, a serious
descussion needs to be had on restarting development on it or making
another synth or something.

I really think something needs to be done else we will continue to have
this conversation round and round and round.

Is it at all possible we could actually start talking about this in
general please.

I'd like questions to be answered, like why did we stop, and why don't
we start again.

I think there were valid reasons but well.

Next what synths in addon form will work wityh the newer addon schemes
in nvda and the future.

Its obvious that we may need our own synth, but should we have one or not.

Is it worth restarting our own or designing our own and what would we use.

Now I am happy with espeak but if we had our own synth and sold a sapi
version or something and maybe the addon version or something for low
cost say 5-10 vbucks I'd get it, maybe up to 30 bucks for higher quality
things, maybe as much as 60 bucks for really good packs of things.

I just think with all the new technology and prices dropping down lower
and lower that we really should hav a good look is all.





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Re: Push Notifications With NVDA

 

On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 10:56 AM, Andy B. wrote:
I want my browsing experience as clean as possible. Under no conditions will I approve of an app or website to push notifications through a browser.
You and I are cut from the same cloth.   I said pretty much the same thing two days ago.

We are, it seems, either currently in the minority or rapidly becoming so.  Push notifications, whether through the browser itself, or via pass-through to Windows to present via toast notification, are becoming all the rage.

It is important for people to know that:

1.  They cannot and will not get push notifications of any kind unless they consent to receiving same.  [And, no, I do not count if a nefarious actor were to somehow "auto consent" to same, that would be malware.]

2.  The usual default is for the browser to handle and present these notifications.

3.  A number of browsers are implementing "pass along" functionality so that instead of their presenting the push notifications, they're passed to Windows to present as toasts.

If you never consent to a push notification, then points two and three are utterly irrelevant.  But if you do, you will need to figure out exactly how the browser(s) you're using on a routine basis is actually processing push notifications - by itself or by passing same to Windows.

 
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Re: Push Notifications With NVDA

Andy B.
 

I want my browsing experience as clean as possible. Under no conditions will I approve of an app or website to push notifications through a browser.

 

 

From: Vincent Le Goff
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2019 10:52 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Push Notifications With NVDA

 

For Firefox users (like myself): having Firefox push notifications to Windows seems to be supported, according to this website that does some advertising of this feature for a version of Firefox that has been released for 6 months, if I'm not mistaken: https://www.ghacks.net/2018/10/08/firefox-gets-native-windows-10-notifications-support/ .

 

Vincent

On 7/19/2019 4:29 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 09:58 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Actually, Windows+(Shift+)V for toast notifications, and Windows+A for Action Center (I get this sometimes while using Slack, so this is nothing new).

And, as a recent topic brought to the fore, if one is using Chrome it's possible to have the browser push those push messages straight over to Windows to be presented as toast notifications, or not.

So one has to know what browser is being used and whether certain features have been configured in certain ways to know for certain how one might directly interact with a push message.

This stuff is getting much more wildly complicated, configuration wise and interaction wise, as new options regarding "who does what, or who passes what to whom" are being created.
 
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Re: Push Notifications With NVDA

Vincent Le Goff <vincent.legoff.srs@...>
 

For Firefox users (like myself): having Firefox push notifications to Windows seems to be supported, according to this website that does some advertising of this feature for a version of Firefox that has been released for 6 months, if I'm not mistaken: https://www.ghacks.net/2018/10/08/firefox-gets-native-windows-10-notifications-support/ .


Vincent

On 7/19/2019 4:29 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 09:58 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Actually, Windows+(Shift+)V for toast notifications, and Windows+A for Action Center (I get this sometimes while using Slack, so this is nothing new).
And, as a recent topic brought to the fore, if one is using Chrome it's possible to have the browser push those push messages straight over to Windows to be presented as toast notifications, or not.

So one has to know what browser is being used and whether certain features have been configured in certain ways to know for certain how one might directly interact with a push message.

This stuff is getting much more wildly complicated, configuration wise and interaction wise, as new options regarding "who does what, or who passes what to whom" are being created.
 
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Re: Push Notifications With NVDA

 

On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 09:58 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Actually, Windows+(Shift+)V for toast notifications, and Windows+A for Action Center (I get this sometimes while using Slack, so this is nothing new).
And, as a recent topic brought to the fore, if one is using Chrome it's possible to have the browser push those push messages straight over to Windows to be presented as toast notifications, or not.

So one has to know what browser is being used and whether certain features have been configured in certain ways to know for certain how one might directly interact with a push message.

This stuff is getting much more wildly complicated, configuration wise and interaction wise, as new options regarding "who does what, or who passes what to whom" are being created.
 
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Re: Brltty, anything new

David Csercsics
 

Yes, this Dell has all of those as well. If I'd known that I'd have kept my doubletalk LT around when I moved.


Re: Push Notifications With NVDA

Vincent Le Goff <vincent.legoff.srs@...>
 

Yeah, Windows + A seems to be the way to go (open action center, see notifications).  If they're not here then I'm afraid I don't know at all and haven't been able to find on the net.  It's possible Facebook just pushes notifications to a different system without much accessibility support besides reading.  I guess you already checked the system tray (Windows + B)?  I'm not using these so I just don't know :( .


Sorry to not be able to help,


Vincent

On 7/19/2019 2:48 PM, Marcio via Groups.Io wrote:
Vincent,
when Facebook sends notifications, you get a message no matter where you are? Like "new notification from Facebook: ..."?

Yep :) I can just be playing something, listening to a podcast or whatever and I'll get the notification.

these are Windows notifications and there are shortcut keys (I keep forgetting) to interact with them.
Hmmm, I really don't think they are. I mean, I know about Windows notifications and how to work with them. Windows+A will take me to the notifications centre. Is there any other kind of Windows notification, one that doesn't show up there?

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Re: Push Notifications With NVDA

 

Hi,

Actually, Windows+(Shift+)V for toast notifications, and Windows+A for Action Center (I get this sometimes while using Slack, so this is nothing new).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Andy B.
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2019 5:51 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Push Notifications With NVDA

 

Windows+a for notifications in Windows 10.

 

 

From: Vincent Le Goff
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2019 8:17 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Push Notifications With NVDA

 

Ho, good point.  Not a lot of detail can be found on the web though.  So the big question: when Facebook sends notifications, you get a message no matter where you are?  Like "new notification from Facebook: ..."?  If so, these are Windows notifications and there are shortcut keys (I keep forgetting) to interact with them.  If that's the case, I'll comeback with more information on how to handle that.  Further, if that's the case, you should be able to find the shortcut keys, searching for Windows shortcut keys for notifications (there's a Windows + something or other to access the list, nothing specific to NVDA as far as I know).

 

That being said, it's just a guess.  Facebook could have NVDA dynamically read some messages on the page (though it wouldn't work when you're not on the Facebook website).  These messages may just be ARIA alerts.  If so, interacting with them as notifications should be supported by facebook (and probably isn't), there's no standard to do that.  ARIA alerts are good but not great (for me who use a Braille display as sole accessibility system with NVDA not speaking at all, ARIA alerts are useless).

 

 

HTH,

 

Vincent

On 7/19/2019 2:04 PM, Marcio via Groups.Io wrote:

Vincent and Andy,

Thanks for the suggestion. I know about this add-on and it's indeed quite useful.
However these notifications I'm talking about aren't necessarily something on the browser. It's intended exactly for working outside the sites where they are coming from.
If enabled, notifications from FB, for example, would give us an alert when someone posts something, comments on any of our posts, sends us a message etc. The problem with it, though, is what I've said. NVDA  reports the notification on the desktop but it's apparently nowhere to be found so that we can interact with it, just like these toast ones.

Cheers,
Marcio

AKA Starboy

 

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Re: Brltty, anything new

George Bell <george@...>
 

Talking of a “real serial port”, I recently purchased a new DELL OptiPlex7060 desktop.

 

I was amazed to find this has a Serial port, as well as 8 USB ports.  But even more surprising – it has a pair of the older PS2 ports for keyboard and mouse which I am happily using.

 

George

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Deborah Armstrong
Sent: 18 July 2019 22:58
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Brltty, anything new

 

Well I discovered a few things.

 

On an old Windows 7 machine, which has a real serial port, I installed the latest Brltty which is

brltty-win-6.0-1-libusb-1.0

it's an .Exe file and a typical Windows installer. I picked TSI for my Braille display which loads the driver that supports both the PowerBraille and the Navigator.

 

Immediately Brltty loaded and displayed "no foreground window" which is typical behavior since the interface is graphical and Brltty only works at the console level.

 

Next I updated my NVDA to 2019.1 and after restarting it, I went to Preferences-Settings-Braille and picked Brltty as my Braille display. Before I could even select OK or apply, NVDA was communicating with my PowerBraille just fine.

 

So that worked flawlessly.

 

But when I set the output table to U.S. English 6-dot computer Braille, it is stillshowing dot 7 for anything capitalized. That of course makes BRF files look very funny because many translation programs show upper case letters for those characters.

 

I can always write a SED script to convert case, but I'd rather not spend the time to convert all the brf files I'd like to read. 

I think this is a bug or maybe a flaw with the table.

 

The other weird thing is that for non-printing characters, such as the form-feed, Brltty shows the equivalent in hex "0x00C" which is annoying to have to read on the Braille display. I don't find a preference to suppress the display of non-printing characters, nor a way to suppress extra spaces or blank lines. Doing all this would make it easier to read BRF files, though for working with ordinary text, Word XLS and other types of files, NVDA on Windows 7 is doing great with Brltty still.


One thing that did reduce the number of weird characters was unchecking the box for "expand to computer Braille for the word at the cursor". If that box is checked the word at the cursor contains extra gibberish if you are looking at that word in a BRF file and you are using either the 6 or 8-dot computer Braille table. This seems unintuitive, but there you are! 


Next I'll try Windows 10 and see if I can get brltty to work there. I also need to try that Braille extender add-on, thanks for the recommendation. I had used Brltty with NVDA extensively at work until my old Win7 machine was replaced with a shiny brand-new all-in-one running Windows 10. So, I  was glad to find an old one lying around I could test with.

 

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Re: Push Notifications With NVDA

 

Vincent,
when Facebook sends notifications, you get a message no matter where you are? Like "new notification from Facebook: ..."?

Yep :) I can just be playing something, listening to a podcast or whatever and I'll get the notification.

these are Windows notifications and there are shortcut keys (I keep forgetting) to interact with them.
Hmmm, I really don't think they are. I mean, I know about Windows notifications and how to work with them. Windows+A will take me to the notifications centre. Is there any other kind of Windows notification, one that doesn't show up there?

Cheers,
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Re: Push Notifications With NVDA

Andy B.
 

Windows+a for notifications in Windows 10.

 

 

From: Vincent Le Goff
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2019 8:17 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Push Notifications With NVDA

 

Ho, good point.  Not a lot of detail can be found on the web though.  So the big question: when Facebook sends notifications, you get a message no matter where you are?  Like "new notification from Facebook: ..."?  If so, these are Windows notifications and there are shortcut keys (I keep forgetting) to interact with them.  If that's the case, I'll comeback with more information on how to handle that.  Further, if that's the case, you should be able to find the shortcut keys, searching for Windows shortcut keys for notifications (there's a Windows + something or other to access the list, nothing specific to NVDA as far as I know).

 

That being said, it's just a guess.  Facebook could have NVDA dynamically read some messages on the page (though it wouldn't work when you're not on the Facebook website).  These messages may just be ARIA alerts.  If so, interacting with them as notifications should be supported by facebook (and probably isn't), there's no standard to do that.  ARIA alerts are good but not great (for me who use a Braille display as sole accessibility system with NVDA not speaking at all, ARIA alerts are useless).

 

 

HTH,

 

Vincent

On 7/19/2019 2:04 PM, Marcio via Groups.Io wrote:

Vincent and Andy,

Thanks for the suggestion. I know about this add-on and it's indeed quite useful.
However these notifications I'm talking about aren't necessarily something on the browser. It's intended exactly for working outside the sites where they are coming from.
If enabled, notifications from FB, for example, would give us an alert when someone posts something, comments on any of our posts, sends us a message etc. The problem with it, though, is what I've said. NVDA  reports the notification on the desktop but it's apparently nowhere to be found so that we can interact with it, just like these toast ones.

Cheers,
Marcio

AKA Starboy

 

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Re: Push Notifications With NVDA

Vincent Le Goff <vincent.legoff.srs@...>
 

Ho, good point.  Not a lot of detail can be found on the web though.  So the big question: when Facebook sends notifications, you get a message no matter where you are?  Like "new notification from Facebook: ..."?  If so, these are Windows notifications and there are shortcut keys (I keep forgetting) to interact with them.  If that's the case, I'll comeback with more information on how to handle that.  Further, if that's the case, you should be able to find the shortcut keys, searching for Windows shortcut keys for notifications (there's a Windows + something or other to access the list, nothing specific to NVDA as far as I know).


That being said, it's just a guess.  Facebook could have NVDA dynamically read some messages on the page (though it wouldn't work when you're not on the Facebook website).  These messages may just be ARIA alerts.  If so, interacting with them as notifications should be supported by facebook (and probably isn't), there's no standard to do that.  ARIA alerts are good but not great (for me who use a Braille display as sole accessibility system with NVDA not speaking at all, ARIA alerts are useless).



HTH,


Vincent

On 7/19/2019 2:04 PM, Marcio via Groups.Io wrote:
Vincent and Andy,
Thanks for the suggestion. I know about this add-on and it's indeed quite useful.
However these notifications I'm talking about aren't necessarily something on the browser. It's intended exactly for working outside the sites where they are coming from.
If enabled, notifications from FB, for example, would give us an alert when someone posts something, comments on any of our posts, sends us a message etc. The problem with it, though, is what I've said. NVDA  reports the notification on the desktop but it's apparently nowhere to be found so that we can interact with it, just like these toast ones.

Cheers,
Marcio AKA Starboy

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Re: Code Factory add-in for NVDA

Josh Kennedy
 

I also wish we could get some confirmation about decTalk since it, too, is, or was, very popular. There is nothing wrong with the 24-year-old decTalk access32 dll files. they work fine aside from some bugs in the nvda-addon code, they work just fine with NVDA. I wish that we could 1. get official confirmation that is it abandonware, or is it not abandonware and can we use the 24-year-old decTalk access32 dll which is still perfectly fine with NVDA? 2. if somebody would give us permission to use that dll, which by the way again works perfectly fine, then once we have permission, we could incorporate it into NVDA as an alternative to ESpeak for english and maybe some other languages, same goes for willowPond softVoice tts, by the way... so anyway once we get confirmation, they could be incorporated into NVDA so people have some alternative voices. and also perhaps the voices could be given sapi5 interfaces for those who wish to use them in that form. oh better yet, if NVDA could sell decTalk nvda-addon and softVoice tts addon, decTalk sapi5 with a good non-buggy interface and softVoice tts sapi5 again with a good stable interface. I personally would gladly pay $10 to $20 or so for updated versions of those two tts engines. better yet would be if the authors just said well just go ahead and incorporate them into NVDA as voices or as voices on the extra-voices download website. 
Josh


Re: Push Notifications With NVDA

 

Vincent and Andy,
Thanks for the suggestion. I know about this add-on and it's indeed quite useful.
However these notifications I'm talking about aren't necessarily something on the browser. It's intended exactly for working outside the sites where they are coming from.
If enabled, notifications from FB, for example, would give us an alert when someone posts something, comments on any of our posts, sends us a message etc. The problem with it, though, is what I've said. NVDA  reports the notification on the desktop but it's apparently nowhere to be found so that we can interact with it, just like these toast ones.

Cheers,
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Re: Code Factory add-in for NVDA

Josh Kennedy
 

hi ed and all,
I agree. a company should not put use-at-your-own-risk abandonware that could possibly be buggy onto their system, such as the sketchy legality of the decTalk addon that uses a 24-year-old decTalk synthesizer. If you want to use it for personal noncommercial use well that is your business. But if I were a company I would insist on software that 1. has support along with it, and 2. is up-to-date and secure. Now I do have the following issues with both sapi5 codeFactory eloquence and the codeFactory addon that is purchased. those issues are the following... 1. people reported the nvda-addon is crackly sometimes, sapi5 eloquence works fine however. 2. I really really want the ability to log onto a website and put in the key into an edit box, and reset my keys back to 3, this would unregister all copies of my software and would let me move my software to a new computer. What if my computer dies and there is an eloquence addon or sapi5 key on it? just let me go to a site, put in the key I wish to deactivate and reset my number of keys back to 3 or whatever the limit is, deactivating all coppies of the software therefore letting me install a copy or two onto new computers. and lastly. eloquence should only phone home maybe once every 60 or so days. That way people with infrequent internet access would not have as big of an issue with its phone home stuff. other than that I really like the sapi5 eloquence and it works fine. and I will use my copy of sapi5 eloquence as long as codeFactory supports it. In fact I'm thinking of buying their sapi5 vocalizer. I prefer sapi5 that way I can use the voices with audio games and other stuff and it is not tied down to NVDA. 


Re: Push Notifications With NVDA

Vincent Le Goff <vincent.legoff.srs@...>
 

Hi,


Yes, the Mozilla enhancer is a good choice.  You can download it here: https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/mozillaScripts.en.html .  I recommend redading the quick documentation on this page as it will give you more details.


When you receive a notification, NVDA will automatically focus on the notification.  Chances are you'll arrive on "learn more" and if you tab / shift-tab, you'll see the options.  Now, in most cases, options are in a sub-menu, so NVDA might read something like the following:


Facebook would like to access your current location.


Don't allow

Allow (sub menu)


If you press space on the sub-menu, you will be given more options on what to allow.  The same thing might apply to "don't allow" choices.


The NVDA addon for Mozilla just focuses you on the notification.  You could access it without the addon, by pressing shift-tab when at the top of the page, or tab when at the bottom (you might need to do that several times, since the notifications are somewhere near the address bar for us and are not necessarily easy to see, hence the addon).


Finally, with the addon installed, NVDA will focus on notifications when they arrive.  This might not be desired.  You can just press the escape key to go back to the website (your last position will be kept).


Also notice the NVDA+A shortcut which I personally find extremely useful with this addon.


Hope that helps,


Vincent

On 7/19/2019 1:01 PM, Marcio via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi,
For testing purposes, I've enabled push notifications for FB on my Firefox.
Now, although I can hear NVDA reporting these notifications, try as I may, I can't for the life of me find a way of interacting with them.
So my question is, once NVDA reports a notification of this kind how do I interact with it?

Thanks a lot.

Cheers,
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Re: Push Notifications With NVDA

Andy B.
 

Hi,

 

Try the Mozilla enhancements addon.

 

 

From: Marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2019 7:04 AM
To: NVDA List
Subject: [nvda] Push Notifications With NVDA

 

Hi,
For testing purposes, I've enabled push notifications for FB on my Firefox.
Now, although I can hear NVDA reporting these notifications, try as I may, I can't for the life of me find a way of interacting with them.
So my question is, once NVDA reports a notification of this kind how do I interact with it?

Thanks a lot.

Cheers,
Marcio

AKA Starboy

 

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Push Notifications With NVDA

 

Hi,
For testing purposes, I've enabled push notifications for FB on my Firefox.
Now, although I can hear NVDA reporting these notifications, try as I may, I can't for the life of me find a way of interacting with them.
So my question is, once NVDA reports a notification of this kind how do I interact with it?

Thanks a lot.

Cheers,
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Re: Using NVDA in the context of language learning

Daniel Damacena
 

Duolingo is good at the beginning, but nothing more then that.
I'm learning english and there are some tools that can help us a lot when you are dealing with NVDA.
Obviously, you'll need a voice in the target language.
Switch synt addon: it allows you to change voice profiles at once, so you can set a profile for your own language and another for the target language and active bouth with a hotkey.
Instant translate or q translate. Those are useful 'cause you can get translations at once.
This is what I use everyday.

Best regards!