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Re: Can I change NVDA key commands
Hi,
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As I pointed out a few hours ago, input refers to not only keyboards, but also touch gestures, braille displays, and other possibilities. There are braille display hardware commands that are not really keyboard commands, nor can be described accurately as gestures (for example, whiz wheels on older Vispero (formerly Freedom Scientific) displays, scroll wheel on HumanWare BrailleNote Apex, touchscreen input on BrailleNote Touch family, cursor routing buttons, etc.). In case of BrailleNote Touch and Touch Plus (internally recognized as Brailliant BI/B), it is a special case of its own due to touch input surface - could be considered a keyboard, could be considered a gesture, and other endless possibilities. If DictationBridge add-on adds a possibility to define custom voice commands (or rather, ability to add text to be used to activate a command via voice), then using just keyboard and gestures won't make sense. At least calling it "manage commands" makes more sense than what we have now. It defines the purpose of that feature better, it denotes that keyboards and touchscreens are seen as commands by NVDA (or a piece of input gesture, for those looking at NVDA source code), and leaves room for capturing other input possibilities without changing things later (which does introduce visual and linguistic side effects). Having used all four forms of input (keyboard, braille, touch, voice; five if I count using a BrailleNote Touch Plus as a braille display with input done from the touch surface as a separate category of its own), I think it would be best to go for something that makes things clearer without making it more verbose, something that describes the idea without going into specifics. Regardless of which label gets chosen by the community, here is what I will do: 1. I will ask translators about the new label. 2. I will edit the NVDA source code accordingly, including adding clarifications here and there. 3. I will edit the user guide to mention the new label and add a clarification as to which input technology NVDA can understand. Cheers, Joseph
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Luke Davis Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2019 7:27 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Can I change NVDA key commands On Sun, 21 Jul 2019, Luke Davis wrote: How about "Edit Keys and Gestures" then?I think I will retract this one. While I like the word "edit" for what the option is doing, it is possible for edit to be taken not in the context of altering the keys and gestures in question, but as some sort of control for working with "edit keys" or some such silliness. Perhaps: Change Keys and Gestures Modify Keys and Gestures Key and Gesture Manager I still find "Command Manager" or the like to be a little more opaque than just putting something in the name about keys and gestures, or keyboard and gestures. Luke
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Re: Can I change NVDA key commands
Luke Davis
On Sun, 21 Jul 2019, Luke Davis wrote:
How about "Edit Keys and Gestures" then?I think I will retract this one. While I like the word "edit" for what the option is doing, it is possible for edit to be taken not in the context of altering the keys and gestures in question, but as some sort of control for working with "edit keys" or some such silliness. Perhaps: Change Keys and Gestures Modify Keys and Gestures Key and Gesture Manager I still find "Command Manager" or the like to be a little more opaque than just putting something in the name about keys and gestures, or keyboard and gestures. Luke
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Re: Can I change NVDA key commands
Luke Davis
How about "Edit Keys and Gestures" then?
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On Sun, 21 Jul 2019, Marcio via Groups.Io wrote:
Luke,
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Re: Can I change NVDA key commands
I wrote:
the more I liked better was the "Keyboard and Gesture Management".It should be "the one I liked better". Guess I need to pay more attention to what I'm writing LOL Cheers, Marcio AKA Starboy Sent from a galaxy far, far away. --Are you a Thunderbird user? Then join the Thunderbird mailing list to help and be helped with all Thunderbird things - questions, features, add-ons and much more!
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Re: Can I change NVDA key commands
Luke,
From all of your suggestions the more I
liked better was the "Keyboard and Gesture Management".
"Edit Key Commands and Touch Gestures" isn't bad either, yet too verbose and that's why this isn't my choice instead. And while we are on this, I'd like to suggest something. Itt would be nice to have a topic open for these suggestions. This topic would be active for a few days then after this someone would gather the most suitable ones and put them into a poll. What y'all think? Cheers, Marcio AKA Starboy Sent from a galaxy far, far away. --Are you a Thunderbird user? Then join the Thunderbird mailing list to help and be helped with all Thunderbird things - questions, features, add-ons and much more!
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Re: Can I change NVDA key commands
Luke Davis
I have always thought calling it "input Gestures" was a bit absurd, seeming to prioritize the idea of touch gestures over keys in the language, when exactly the opposite is the case in practical use.
Anything is better than what's there now, but I would personally like something along the lines of Keyboard and Gesture Manager, or Keyboard and Gesture Management. Or possibly better: Remap Keys and Gestures. Or maybe more newbie friendly still: Edit Key Commands and Touch Gestures. Luke
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Re: Can I change NVDA key commands
On Sun, Jul 21, 2019 at 04:43 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
I interpret that as" terminal commands" not keyboard and gesture commands."Why? There are not and never have been terminal/command line commands (other than for starting it) for NVDA. There is absolutely no legitimate context for that interpretation. We are talking about "within NVDA" here. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362 The color of truth is grey. ~ André Gide
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Re: Can I change NVDA key commands
Good idea, but no. I interpret that as" terminal commands" not keyboard and gesture commands." Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website. This is also our libsyn page as well. Our telegram channel is also a good place for an announce only in regard to podcasts, contests, etc. Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here
On 21 Jul 2019, at 10:55, Joseph Lee wrote:
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Re: Can I change NVDA key commands
Rui Fontes
Why not "Manage commands" and "Commands help"?
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After all, keystrokes, from a keyboard or Braille display, touchs on screen and so on, are all commands for NVDA... Rui Fontes Às 19:57 de 21/07/2019, Gene escreveu:
I see. I thought NVDA key 1 was input gestures but evidently, it's just input help. Input help is a reasonable name for that feature.
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Re: taking ownership of files
JM Casey
Hi.
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That won't work by itself. You need to actually go into the properties of the .ini file as an administrator and change their ownership settings in the security tab. I was able to do this after a lot of experimenting, but recently haven't been able to duplicate the steps. I know it can be done, though. Maybe someone more familiar with these settings can chime in. I admit I was a bit confused and feel like I kind of muddled my way through to success. By the way, a quick way to run a programme (like notepad) as administrator: Open the run box Type in notepad Don't hit enter, but use ctrl-shift-enter instead. The user account control dialogue will appear if you have it set to do so.
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jackie Sent: July 21, 2019 2:20 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] taking ownership of files Run Notepad as an administrator. 1) type notepad.exe in the search window. (press windows key or go to start menu to get there). 2) Right-click (applications key, shift f10, NVDA's right click facility), & select 'Run as Administrator' from the context menu that appears. On 7/21/19, Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@gmail.com> wrote: Hi, -- Subscribe to a WordPress for Newbies Mailing List by sending a message to: wp4newbs-request@freelists.org with 'subscribe' in the Subject field OR by visiting the list page at http://www.freelists.org/list/wp4newbs & check out my sites at www.brighter-vision.com & www.mysitesbeenhacked.com
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Re: Can I change NVDA key commands
Gene
I see. I thought NVDA key 1 was input
gestures but evidently, it's just input help. Input help is a reasonable
name for that feature.
Manage commands sounds alright for the
dialog.
Gene
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From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2019 1:10 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Can I change NVDA key commands Hi, We’re talking about two different things: the suggested text refers to what is now known as “Input Gestures” dialog. NVDA+number row 1 may change to something more descriptive and not too verbose. Cheers, Joseph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Gene
Manage commands means that you can define or redefine or map commands by invoking the NVDA 1 command. Why not just call it what it is, keyboard and gestures help. Or something else, if there is as good alternative descriptive language but I can think of no other comprehensive and accurate way to say this that will be 8understandable to the gggeneral user.
Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Joseph Lee Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2019 12:55 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Can I change NVDA key commands
Hi, Hmmm, I see. How about renaming it to something to the effect of, “Manage commands”? That may allow the original intent to be kept while making it more user friendly. It may also allow translators to translate this concept more easily. The obvious downside is extensive edits to tutorials, websites, training materials, user guide and such, but I don’t consider this a downside – rather, an opportunity to change it based on more user feedback. Cheers, Joseph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Brian Vogel
Being a tech geek from way back, I can categorically state
that this is yet another instance where "tech brevity" is being valued over end
user understanding. It happens again and again and again. Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362 The color of truth is grey. ~ André Gide
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Re: taking ownership of files
Jackie
Run Notepad as an administrator.
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1) type notepad.exe in the search window. (press windows key or go to start menu to get there). 2) Right-click (applications key, shift f10, NVDA's right click facility), & select 'Run as Administrator' from the context menu that appears.
On 7/21/19, Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi, --
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Re: Can I change NVDA key commands
Ed Marquette
Why not something simple like “managing input“ or “manage input.“ That would cover all forms of input: keyboard voice, and so on.
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On Jul 21, 2019, at 1:10 PM, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:
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Re: Can I change NVDA key commands
Hi, We’re talking about two different things: the suggested text refers to what is now known as “Input Gestures” dialog. NVDA+number row 1 may change to something more descriptive and not too verbose. Cheers, Joseph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2019 11:05 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Can I change NVDA key commands
Manage commands means that you can define or redefine or map commands by invoking the NVDA 1 command. Why not just call it what it is, keyboard and gestures help. Or something else, if there is as good alternative descriptive language but I can think of no other comprehensive and accurate way to say this that will be 8understandable to the gggeneral user.
Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Joseph Lee Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2019 12:55 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Can I change NVDA key commands
Hi, Hmmm, I see. How about renaming it to something to the effect of, “Manage commands”? That may allow the original intent to be kept while making it more user friendly. It may also allow translators to translate this concept more easily. The obvious downside is extensive edits to tutorials, websites, training materials, user guide and such, but I don’t consider this a downside – rather, an opportunity to change it based on more user feedback. Cheers, Joseph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Being a tech geek from way back, I can categorically state that this is yet another instance where "tech brevity" is being valued over end user understanding. It happens again and again and again. Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362 The color of truth is grey. ~ André Gide
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Re: Can I change NVDA key commands
Gene
Manage commands means that you can define or
redefine or map commands by invoking the NVDA 1 command. Why not just call
it what it is, keyboard and gestures help. Or something else, if there is
as good alternative descriptive language but I can think of no other
comprehensive and accurate way to say this that will be 8understandable to the
gggeneral user.
Gene
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From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2019 12:55 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Can I change NVDA key commands Hi, Hmmm, I see. How about renaming it to something to the effect of, “Manage commands”? That may allow the original intent to be kept while making it more user friendly. It may also allow translators to translate this concept more easily. The obvious downside is extensive edits to tutorials, websites, training materials, user guide and such, but I don’t consider this a downside – rather, an opportunity to change it based on more user feedback. Cheers, Joseph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Being a tech geek from way back, I can categorically state
that this is yet another instance where "tech brevity" is being valued over end
user understanding. It happens again and again and again. Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362 The color of truth is grey. ~ André Gide
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taking ownership of files
Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@...>
Hi, I am trying to change the pause length in the .ini files for the oneCore voices. But it won’t let me save my new settings once I edit the ini files in notepad. I also tried copying, editing then replacing the old files with the new edited ones and it says I need permission to copy to that folder. How do I take ownership of those “ini” files so I can edit and save them to improve the way the oneCore voices speak?
Josh
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Re: Can I change NVDA key commands
Hi, I see. Quentin, any thoughts? I’m willing to work on this for 2019.3 provided that we get more user feedback. Joseph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Joseph, Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362 The color of truth is grey. ~ André Gide
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Re: Can I change NVDA key commands
Joseph,
It makes a lot more sense than what's there now. That being said, one of my points is that there are times when brevity serves an important purpose and others where it obscures. In structures meant to guide an end user (or even a tech that probably doesn't touch this stuff with any frequency) somewhere it's better to err on the side of "length that guides" rather than economy of words when said economy obscures. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362 The color of truth is grey. ~ André Gide
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Re: Can I change NVDA key commands
Hi, Hmmm, I see. How about renaming it to something to the effect of, “Manage commands”? That may allow the original intent to be kept while making it more user friendly. It may also allow translators to translate this concept more easily. The obvious downside is extensive edits to tutorials, websites, training materials, user guide and such, but I don’t consider this a downside – rather, an opportunity to change it based on more user feedback. Cheers, Joseph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Being a tech geek from way back, I can categorically state that this is yet another instance where "tech brevity" is being valued over end user understanding. It happens again and again and again. Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362 The color of truth is grey. ~ André Gide
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