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Re: Anybody have accessible NAS recommendations?

Ralf Kefferpuetz
 

I have a Synology DS218J with 2 8TB disks in raid 1, means 8TB netto space and the interface is accessible for 97%.

Cheers,
Ralf

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Isige
Sent: Samstag, 27. Juli 2019 19:01
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Anybody have accessible NAS recommendations?

Hi everybody. I need a new NAS. Anybody have recommendations? Somebody wants to sell me a Synology from 2013. I see it has accessibility, at least somewhat.


https://www.synology.com/en-us/knowledgebase/DSM/help/DSM/Accessibility/accessibility


I'm looking for recommendations because I'm currently using a Western Digital MyBook Live. I can access most of it, but the way you delete shares is to click on a graphical icon that doesn't show up, so I can't do that myself. So I'm hoping to find one that has accessible management software. It seems like Synology's might work, but if anybody's got actual experience with something, I'd surely appreciate hearing about it. Thanks!


Re: A long talking of Nvda on web

 

On a related note:
Is there a section of the NVDA Userguide or Keycommands telling about these shortcuts to the NVDA Settings? It's something really important to know and I couldn't find it anywhere.

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Re: A long talking of Nvda on web

 

Gene and all,
Gene wrote:
I'll let others describe just how you get into document formatting.  I'm not familiar with the newer interface.
Ok, here's how you can access the Document Formating Settings the hard way, so to speak :)
  1. Open NVDA Menu (NVDA+N).
  2. Down arrow to settings. Actually, probably you won't need to down arrow because this will be the very first option so if I'm right, just press enter here.
  3. Now down arrow until Document Formating.
You can also use first letter navigation which will make your life easier.
Hth

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Re: Anybody have accessible NAS recommendations?

Luke Davis
 

While I don't know anything about that particular gear--I have always built my own NASes using Linux--I will say that I would have misgivings about buying a piece of 2013 computing equipment of any kind.

If it is not still receiving security patches, I would definitely not buy it. See the conversations here recently about Windows XP. Embedded systems are often even worse than old operating systems, when it comes to security and patching security holes.

So if that thing has an ARM, Intel, or AMD processor (or one of several others), for example, and it hasn't received 2018 software updates, it's vulnerable to several processor level hacks that can allow someone to read anything in its memory. That aside, depending on what software it's running, it could even become part of a botnet, like most Windows XP systems are.

So be very careful with buying old equipment like this. If it's not still getting software updates, stay far away from it, or only use it in a situation where it never touches the internet.

Some links:

read the comment by archagon, and some others: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8128521

And perhaps: https://arstechnica.com/civis/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1247263
https://www.reddit.com/r/synology/comments/9qzooz/hacked_2_factor_authentication_doesnt_prevent/

Luke


NVDA addon: Community feedback on new Developer toolkit feature requested

Andy B.
 

Hi,

I am requesting the community’s feedback on a feature for Developer toolkit. Before proceeding with the new feature’s description, I must provide a sample problem a user might encounter while using DTK. Imagine you are a user of DTK. You wish to make a dialog in the top-right corner of your display with a button centered in the dialog. The dialog is to have the dimensions of 100px wide and 100px high. The button is to have the dimensions of 75px wide and 25px high. You know the display resolution is 1920px wide and 1080px high.

You confidently code up the dialog to sit in the top-right corner of the display. To verify, you launch the dialog, turn on DTK, navigate to the dialog, then obtain its size and location. After checking the size and location, you are happy with its placement: (left, top, right, bottom): 1820, 0, 1920, 100 [100px wide and 100px high]. You proceed to place a button in the dialog. To verify the button’s size and location, you launch the dialog, put focus on the button, turn on DTK features, and obtain the button’s size and location. To your horror, the location is (left, top, right, bottom): 1820, 0, 1904, 25) [75px wide and 25px high]. It is a reasonable guess that the button is in the top-left corner of the dialog. However, you might have to perform some math to figure it out. Now, imagine what this would look like with a fairly complex design or layout… Messy at best! The problem is that all object locations are reported relative to the entire display. This method is useful for gross layouts such as setting up foreground window placement, or header, footer, multicolumn website layouts. Even the web layouts provide their own issues. Wait though, there is a solution to the problem!

The proposed feature I would like comments on is the ability for DTK to provide location information relative to the focused object’s parent. In the example given, you could ask DTK to give you the locations of the left, top, right, and bottom edges based on the distance between the focused object and its parent’s edges. For instance, DTK would report the button location as (left, top, right, bottom): 0, 0, 75, 25. You could still obtain locations based on the entire display’s size though. Implementing this isn’t difficult, but I need feature requests and implementation ideas from a user’s point of view. How would you see this feature implemented?

 

 

 

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Re: A long talking of Nvda on web

Luke Davis
 

It depends on the website. But in addition to what others have told you, you can try turning off layout tables (nvda+control+b, uncheck the box).

On Sat, 27 Jul 2019, Jarek.Krcmar wrote:

Hello everyone,
I'd like to get rid of the verbosity of Nvda on the web.
Nvda tells me:
Heading 1, 2, rows 5 columns.
That seems very lengthy.
Can Nvda be set up to be less talkative?


Re: A long talking of Nvda on web

Gene
 

I don't know what you intended to type.  You must have used control NVDA d, not s, as you write.  If you had used s, you would have opened the synthesizer settings, which you clearly didn't. 
 
Control NVDA d is a shortcut.  It allows you to open document formatting, without opening the NVDA menu, then preferences, then find document formatting starting in the NVdA menu.  I'll let others describe just how you get into document formatting.  I'm not familiar with the newer interface.  But you won't find anything more if you do that.  You are already in document formatting with control NVDA d.  The menu method gets you to exactly the same place.
 
However, using the NVDA menu and preferences in that menu are important to know about so you can look through options in NVDA.  The shortcuts we are discussing are fine for getting to a part of settings immediately, but they don't subvstitute for knowing the basic structure of NVDA.
 

Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2019 12:19 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] A long talking of Nvda on web

The command is NVDA control d for document formatting.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2019 12:09 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] A long talking of Nvda on web

Hello,

I cannot find the preferences.

I pressed the keys Ctrl+Nvda+S, and there is a formating of documents.
There I unchecked anouncing the columns.

Jarek

Jarek

Dne 27.07.2019 v 17:29 Sam Bushman napsal(a):
> Please press nvda-n - in the nvda menus choose preferences - then settings -
> then arrow down to browser - you can check/uncheck - meaning turn on and off
> several settings that can help. For example: I have tables turned off.
> Hope this helps.
> Sam
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jarek.Krcmar
> Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2019 9:17 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: [nvda] A long talking of Nvda on web
>
> Hello everyone,
> I'd like to get rid of the verbosity of Nvda on the web.
> Nvda tells me:
> Heading 1, 2, rows 5 columns.
> That seems very lengthy.
> Can Nvda be set up to be less talkative?
>



Re: A long talking of Nvda on web

Gene
 

The command is NVDA control d for document formatting.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2019 12:09 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] A long talking of Nvda on web

Hello,

I cannot find the preferences.

I pressed the keys Ctrl+Nvda+S, and there is a formating of documents.
There I unchecked anouncing the columns.

Jarek

Jarek

Dne 27.07.2019 v 17:29 Sam Bushman napsal(a):
> Please press nvda-n - in the nvda menus choose preferences - then settings -
> then arrow down to browser - you can check/uncheck - meaning turn on and off
> several settings that can help. For example: I have tables turned off.
> Hope this helps.
> Sam
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jarek.Krcmar
> Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2019 9:17 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: [nvda] A long talking of Nvda on web
>
> Hello everyone,
> I'd like to get rid of the verbosity of Nvda on the web.
> Nvda tells me:
> Heading 1, 2, rows 5 columns.
> That seems very lengthy.
> Can Nvda be set up to be less talkative?
>



Re: A long talking of Nvda on web

Jarek.Krcmar
 

Hello,

I cannot find the preferences.

I pressed the keys Ctrl+Nvda+S, and there is a formating of documents. There I unchecked anouncing the columns.

Jarek

Jarek

Dne 27.07.2019 v 17:29 Sam Bushman napsal(a):

Please press nvda-n - in the nvda menus choose preferences - then settings -
then arrow down to browser - you can check/uncheck - meaning turn on and off
several settings that can help. For example: I have tables turned off.
Hope this helps.
Sam


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jarek.Krcmar
Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2019 9:17 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] A long talking of Nvda on web

Hello everyone,
I'd like to get rid of the verbosity of Nvda on the web.
Nvda tells me:
Heading 1, 2, rows 5 columns.
That seems very lengthy.
Can Nvda be set up to be less talkative?


Anybody have accessible NAS recommendations?

John Isige
 

Hi everybody. I need a new NAS. Anybody have recommendations? Somebody wants to sell me a Synology from 2013. I see it has accessibility, at least somewhat.


https://www.synology.com/en-us/knowledgebase/DSM/help/DSM/Accessibility/accessibility


I'm looking for recommendations because I'm currently using a Western Digital MyBook Live. I can access most of it, but the way you delete shares is to click on a graphical icon that doesn't show up, so I can't do that myself. So I'm hoping to find one that has accessible management software. It seems like Synology's might work, but if anybody's got actual experience with something, I'd surely appreciate hearing about it. Thanks!


Re: A long talking of Nvda on web

 

hello.
in document formatting of nvda preferences, i disabled saying all
items except page numbers!
maybe one person can accept this settings and others not.

On 7/27/19, Jarek.Krcmar <Jarek.Krcmar@email.cz> wrote:
Hello everyone,
I'd like to get rid of the verbosity of Nvda on the web.
Nvda tells me:
Heading 1, 2, rows 5 columns.
That seems very lengthy.
Can Nvda be set up to be less talkative?

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from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
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Re: A long talking of Nvda on web

Sam Bushman
 

Please press nvda-n - in the nvda menus choose preferences - then settings -
then arrow down to browser - you can check/uncheck - meaning turn on and off
several settings that can help. For example: I have tables turned off.
Hope this helps.
Sam

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jarek.Krcmar
Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2019 9:17 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] A long talking of Nvda on web

Hello everyone,
I'd like to get rid of the verbosity of Nvda on the web.
Nvda tells me:
Heading 1, 2, rows 5 columns.
That seems very lengthy.
Can Nvda be set up to be less talkative?

--
Jarek


Re: A long talking of Nvda on web

 

Jarek,
Can Nvda be set up to be less talkative?
Yep. Try pressing CTRL+NVDA+D and check/uncheck things there accordingly.

Hth
Cheers,
Marcio AKA Starboy

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Re: A long talking of Nvda on web

Antony Stone
 

Please give an example of a URL where you have this problem, so we know what
NVDA is telling you about.

Otherwise we can only guess, which may not be helpful...


Antony.

On Saturday 27 July 2019 at 17:17:01, Jarek.Krcmar wrote:

Hello everyone,
I'd like to get rid of the verbosity of Nvda on the web.
Nvda tells me:
Heading 1, 2, rows 5 columns.
That seems very lengthy.
Can Nvda be set up to be less talkative?
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A long talking of Nvda on web

Jarek.Krcmar
 

Hello everyone,
I'd like to get rid of the verbosity of Nvda on the web.
Nvda tells me:
Heading 1, 2, rows 5 columns.
That seems very lengthy.
Can Nvda be set up to be less talkative?

--
Jarek


Re: A Question About NVDA, Python 3 and Espeak

Luke Davis
 

No, espeak works fine in Python 3 versions of NVDA.

On Sat, 27 Jul 2019, Marcio via Groups.Io wrote:

Considering all the Python 3 porting conversation I have a question. It's been said that some synthesizers would stop working. Is it the case about Espeak?


A Question About NVDA, Python 3 and Espeak

 

Hi,
Considering all the Python 3 porting conversation I have a question. It's been said that some synthesizers would stop working. Is it the case about Espeak?

Thanks a lot.

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Re: Using Alpha snapshot 18199 Python 3 and my experiences!

David Csercsics <bleeblat@...>
 

In limited testing, it seemed to work quite well, so far. Except that Braille Extender doesn't load. I'm wondering if it's better to have that in NVDA core anyway, as the built-in braille support seems a bit primitive. But I'm not sure what others think of that. Pretty much the only add-ons that I use are the Windows 10 essentials one, and the updater and the braille Extender because I prefer braille to speech anyway, and I like the screen reader to be light on resources and just make things work well. But I'll test it a bit more with web stuff, and the other things I usually use, and see how I might go about suggesting improvements. I'll dust off my Python and see if I might be able to help that way as well. I'm not familiar with Windows programming, but I did write some Python quite a bit for Linux console and a bit of C and C++ as part of my computer science courses, and I'd not mind picking it back up again, it's just getting acquainted with the Windows code.


Re: Using Alpha snapshot 18199 Python 3 and my experiences!

David Moore
 

Thanks, Joseph and all!

I will send logs as soon as I encounter a problem!

Very good result’s in Calculator and many apps and programs, even in TW blue!

David Moore

 

                                                                Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Andy B.
Sent: Friday, July 26, 2019 9:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Alpha snapshot 18199 Python 3 and my experiences!

 

I will start providing logs to nvda-dev soon. Here is one to get you started…

 

NVDA latest alpha snapshot, Windows 10 1903, Chrome 75, EspeakNg.

 

  1. In Chrome, go to www.google.com.
  2. In the search field, type any search terms. I used “test”
  3. Press enter to perform the search.

 

Actual results: Google.com in Chrome performs the search as expected. However, an error tone sounds after resuming browse mode. The log follows.

 

ERROR - eventHandler.executeEvent (21:17:37.321):

error executing event: typedCharacter on <NVDAObjects.Dynamic_EditableTextWithAutoSelectDetectionEditorIa2WebIAccessible object at 0x071BE770> with extra args of {'ch': '\r'}

Traceback (most recent call last):

  File "eventHandler.pyc", line 155, in executeEvent

  File "eventHandler.pyc", line 92, in __init__

  File "eventHandler.pyc", line 100, in next

  File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyc", line 980, in event_typedCharacter

  File "speech\__init__.pyc", line 695, in speakTypedCharacters

  File "api.pyc", line 247, in isTypingProtected

  File "baseObject.pyc", line 46, in __get__

  File "baseObject.pyc", line 149, in _getPropertyViaCache

  File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyc", line 854, in _get_isProtected

  File "baseObject.pyc", line 46, in __get__

  File "baseObject.pyc", line 149, in _getPropertyViaCache

  File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\ia2Web.pyc", line 58, in _get_states

  File "baseObject.pyc", line 46, in __get__

  File "baseObject.pyc", line 149, in _getPropertyViaCache

  File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyc", line 866, in _get_states

  File "comtypesMonkeyPatches.pyc", line 22, in __call__

_ctypes.COMError: (-2147467259, 'Unspecified error', (None, None, None, 0, None))

 

Expected results: NVDA should not sound an error after doing a Google search, and the log should not indicate any errors.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Friday, July 26, 2019 9:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Alpha snapshot 18199 Python 3 and my experiences!

 

Hi,

For others also: if you do run into issues with add-ons, please contact add-on authors.

In regards to Windows 10 apps, at least my add-on should be seen as enabled.

In any case, we need a log please.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: Friday, July 26, 2019 5:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Using Alpha snapshot 18199 Python 3 and my experiences!

 

Hi all!

I am using the Python three 18199 latest alpha snapshot.

Experiences so far!

It works better in the Win10 Mail app than it ever has.

I get many error sounds, but I ignore them.

With Google Chrome, is very sluggish and I hear many error sounds.

I am having trouble navigating by form field especially.

In many other Win10 apps, is very sluggish, and is shutting down and coming back on!

Some examples:

News app, One Note, Weather app, and the MS store.

I am using one core voices, because decktalk add-on no longer works.

Some of the English eSpeak voices are not as clear.

In the settings app, it is not giving as much info and I have to press NVDA+Tab a lot to get that info.

These are my experiences so far.

I just want people to know what I have found so far!

Over all, it is working very well for Python 3.

This is very promising.

I can’t wait to get a lot of my add-ons back.

David Moore

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 

 


Re: Using Alpha snapshot 18199 Python 3 and my experiences!

Andy B.
 

I will start providing logs to nvda-dev soon. Here is one to get you started…

 

NVDA latest alpha snapshot, Windows 10 1903, Chrome 75, EspeakNg.

 

  1. In Chrome, go to www.google.com.
  2. In the search field, type any search terms. I used “test”
  3. Press enter to perform the search.

 

Actual results: Google.com in Chrome performs the search as expected. However, an error tone sounds after resuming browse mode. The log follows.

 

ERROR - eventHandler.executeEvent (21:17:37.321):

error executing event: typedCharacter on <NVDAObjects.Dynamic_EditableTextWithAutoSelectDetectionEditorIa2WebIAccessible object at 0x071BE770> with extra args of {'ch': '\r'}

Traceback (most recent call last):

  File "eventHandler.pyc", line 155, in executeEvent

  File "eventHandler.pyc", line 92, in __init__

  File "eventHandler.pyc", line 100, in next

  File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyc", line 980, in event_typedCharacter

  File "speech\__init__.pyc", line 695, in speakTypedCharacters

  File "api.pyc", line 247, in isTypingProtected

  File "baseObject.pyc", line 46, in __get__

  File "baseObject.pyc", line 149, in _getPropertyViaCache

  File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyc", line 854, in _get_isProtected

  File "baseObject.pyc", line 46, in __get__

  File "baseObject.pyc", line 149, in _getPropertyViaCache

  File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\ia2Web.pyc", line 58, in _get_states

  File "baseObject.pyc", line 46, in __get__

  File "baseObject.pyc", line 149, in _getPropertyViaCache

  File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyc", line 866, in _get_states

  File "comtypesMonkeyPatches.pyc", line 22, in __call__

_ctypes.COMError: (-2147467259, 'Unspecified error', (None, None, None, 0, None))

 

Expected results: NVDA should not sound an error after doing a Google search, and the log should not indicate any errors.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Friday, July 26, 2019 9:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Alpha snapshot 18199 Python 3 and my experiences!

 

Hi,

For others also: if you do run into issues with add-ons, please contact add-on authors.

In regards to Windows 10 apps, at least my add-on should be seen as enabled.

In any case, we need a log please.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: Friday, July 26, 2019 5:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Using Alpha snapshot 18199 Python 3 and my experiences!

 

Hi all!

I am using the Python three 18199 latest alpha snapshot.

Experiences so far!

It works better in the Win10 Mail app than it ever has.

I get many error sounds, but I ignore them.

With Google Chrome, is very sluggish and I hear many error sounds.

I am having trouble navigating by form field especially.

In many other Win10 apps, is very sluggish, and is shutting down and coming back on!

Some examples:

News app, One Note, Weather app, and the MS store.

I am using one core voices, because decktalk add-on no longer works.

Some of the English eSpeak voices are not as clear.

In the settings app, it is not giving as much info and I have to press NVDA+Tab a lot to get that info.

These are my experiences so far.

I just want people to know what I have found so far!

Over all, it is working very well for Python 3.

This is very promising.

I can’t wait to get a lot of my add-ons back.

David Moore

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10