Re: Braille Extender not saving tables
David Csercsics
I wrote to the developer, but I didn't check the git hub page, I was just saying it may not work with Python 3 because I wasn't sure if he'd have time to work on it. But we'll see what we can do. I will ping him and see if he needs documentation help and possibly brush up on my python and help that way as well, since I have the time. I just haven't learned all the Windows API stuff I might need. But I'll see if I can get a build environment rigged here and see what can be learned from that.
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Re: Braille Extender not saving tables
Luke Davis
Why do you say it may no longer work because of Python 3 support being lacking?
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According to its github page: https://github.com/Andre9642/BrailleExtender It seems to be under quite active development, with multiple developers, and claims compatibility with NVDA 2019.4, which at least implies that it is already working with Python 3. It doesn't hurt to write to the developers and report these bugs. Luke
On Sun, 28 Jul 2019, David Csercsics wrote:
It is definitely a bug! I can duplicate it here as well as a couple other things. But the add-on will likely no longer work as of 2019.3 because of the move to Python 3 support, so we may have to find another solution.
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StationPlaylsit and Windows 10 App Essentisl 19.08
#addonrelease
Hi all,
StationPlaylist and Windows 10 App Essentials 19.08 versions are on their way (will be made available in about an hour or so). StationPlaylist update brings bug fixes, and Windows 10 App Essentials brings initial support for upcoming Version 19H2 and prepares the add-on to support NVDA 2019.3 alpha and introduces support for one or two changes included in recent Windows Insider Preview builds.
Note: both add-on releases will now require NVDA 2019.1 or later (including 2019.2 release candidate 1). Also, for Windows 10 App Essentials, Windows 10 Version 1809 (October 2018 Update/build 17763) or later is required (standard add-on maintenance policy for this add-on).
Cheers, Joseph
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Re: NVDA moving to Python 3
I wouldn't bother with anny synth addons to be honest. If you can afford it I'd use their sapi equivilants. You are not locked down to one particular program, and they can be used anywhere you want. While I have vocaliser, its a nice high quality but slow crappy synth for normal use. Its good for gaming where its needed, and book reading and things like that. On the other side something like espeak, is low quality, fast responding, high performance, but crappy sounding. Its good for games without stories, documentation reading, email, brousing the web, doing administration and running virtual machines and things where I don't care what I am hearing or if it sounds good just that I am getting correct information. I suppose with the powerfull system I have I could run vocaliser constantly but it may not be what I want all day long. Pluss in a situation where something crashes or goes down or something breaks, I could be stuck with no speech because the net failed, or bit of windows went or something else fails. The only way for me to get things back would either be a full reformat or killing configurations. I have found that when I have relied on some stuff like this in the past that when it fails, you have nothing to fall back on. A reformat fixes it as it always does, however as a result of being bitten to many times, for general purpose and we are talking general purpose, I would prefur crappy low quality but readable information rather than high quality readable but unstable information. Also until recently any high quality anything is a performance drag. I know several on xp and lower specked systems that can't afford any upgrades at all. And even for those that do, they get the cheapest options which may be a few generations lower than current. I have tried to run high quality on systems for general use and even when it has worked even if the system does not crash, even if it works floorlessly without me having to reformat to get speech back the load time is insane and so is responce time when I press a key. I know with espeak that I am garanteed speech, crappy that it is. And I am garanteed information in a readable format. It may not sound that nice but I can read it. In my line of work as admin and tester, I don't care if the information is sounding good or not just that I am getting it. If I am reading a book or playing an advanced flight game or something like that then of course I do. I guess if your job is a translater or transcriber, high quality speech would be something you would have to use on a regular basis. However you would have the hardware and software to support you or at least I do hope so. I have friends some in the church, some in jobs that have never been able to afford the more expensive tech ever in their lives and get cast offs only. Some are even used to it.
On 30/07/2019 4:48 AM, Josh Kennedy
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I am going to buy the eloquence/vocalizer NVDA-addon on Friday. I hope that it will work with python3 when the time comes. Since I get extra social security in the united states now, these voices are easily affordable for me. I want the legal versions of voices because I am hoping that the legal eloquence and legal vocalizer will be updated to python3 whereas unsupported illegal stuff which is unsupported may just plain break and not work. Right now I am using sapi5 eloquence from codeFactory until this Friday when I can register the eloquence/vocalizer codeFactory addon.
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Re: NVDA moving to Python 3
Josh Kennedy
I am going to buy the eloquence/vocalizer NVDA-addon on Friday. I hope that it will work with python3 when the time comes. Since I get extra social security in the united states now, these voices are easily affordable for me. I want the legal versions of voices because I am hoping that the legal eloquence and legal vocalizer will be updated to python3 whereas unsupported illegal stuff which is unsupported may just plain break and not work. Right now I am using sapi5 eloquence from codeFactory until this Friday when I can register the eloquence/vocalizer codeFactory addon.
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Re: Anybody have accessible NAS recommendations?
Robert Doc Wright godfearer
It is useable. You do have to work with it to figure it out. The biggest problem I have had has been with their tech support.
If all I have left in this world is God, I have everything! Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: John Isige
Sent: Monday, July 29, 2019 5:55 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Anybody have accessible NAS recommendations?
I don't know that I'd go with WD again, but just in case, how accessible is it? I have a WD MyBook Live and it's mostly accessible. I can't delete shares I've made though and some of the other operations for manipulating them don't really work that reliably. So I'd like to make sure I can get something that's really accessible if I'm going to spend money to update.
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NVDA remote
Robert Doc Wright godfearer
If all I have left in this world is God, I have everything! Sent from Mail for Windows 10
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Re: NVDA addon: Community feedback on new Developer toolkitfeature requested
Andy B.
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From: Jacob Kruger
Sent: Monday, July 29, 2019 2:11 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA addon: Community feedback on new Developer toolkitfeature requested
Andy, relative positioning would definitely be useful at times, but, it would be better as an option you could toggle on and off?
On 2019-07-28 5:17 AM, Andy B. wrote:
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Re: Deleting network shares was: Re: [nvda] Anybody have accessible NAS recommendations?
John Isige
That on a Mybook? Thanks! I don't think I'll end up going with WD though. The Mybook is crazy slow, which is why I'm replacing it, and I'm seeing references to similar issues and network dropouts with their MyCloud replacement. Good to know I might actually be able to delete shares though.
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On 7/29/2019 0:14, Mobeen Iqbal wrote:
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NVDA moving to Python 3
Quentin Christensen
Hi everyone, There has been a bit of confusion over NVDA's move to "Python 3". I wanted to share a short message to clarify a couple of issues and concerns people have raised: First and most importantly; the upcoming NVDA 2019.2 is not affected. NVDA 2019.2 still uses code based on "Python 2", just like NVDA 2019.1 and earlier. So, for the most part, anything which works in NVDA 2019.1, should work in 2019.2. Please do test NVDA 2019.2 beta 3, which is available here: https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/releases/2019.2beta3/nvda_2019.2beta3.exe. If you do find any issues, particularly things which worked in NVDA 2019.1 which no longer work, please do let us know. The "Release Candidate" for 2019.2 is due out shortly, and we would encourage all users to test that when it comes out. So what are we doing? We're updating NVDA's code from being largely based on Python 2, to Python 3. Python 3 was first introduced in 2008, and Python 2 will reach end-of-life early next year. Python's Wikipedia page succinctly explains why Python 3 is important: Python 3 was "... designed to rectify fundamental design flaws in the language—the changes required could not be implemented while retaining full backwards compatibility with the 2.x series". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Python#Version_3 So why are we doing this? Partly to ensure the ongoing stability and security of NVDA. We cannot release a product based on a programming language which is no longer supported. Not only would functionality be increasingly likely to break with updates to Windows and other programs, but it would not be secure. As well as this, developers learning Python over the past few years have not been taught Python 2, they have been taught Python 3. Moving to Python 3 ensures that we have access to this growing pool of developers. NV Access and the community have worked together to ensure the process to transition add-ons is as smooth as possible. There is a Wiki page with information on the transition at: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/wiki/nvdaPy3 Any developers with questions are encouraged to join in the discussion on the NVDA Developers mailing list: https://groups.io/g/nvda-devel As much as users are concerned about the ongoing viability of add-ons they rely on, we are also keen to maintain stability and continuity of functionality for everyone. We have just released a first Alpha build of NVDA updated to Python 3. This is really only aimed at developers at this point. What we would like end-users to know is that we have been in contact with the major synth and add-on developers. We knew that would be the first question many people had about this process so we have involved them from early on. If you are wondering whether "Synthesizer X" or "Add-on Y" will work under Python 3, the manufacturer of that Synthesizer or add-on is the first port of call. If they have already updated and tested, they will be happy to let you know that. Remember that we have only just released a first alpha build using Python 3 ourselves, so don't panic if your favourite hasn't been updated yet! Joseph Lee has helpfully curated a list of add-ons, their known status and the contact details for the developer. This list is on the official add-ons site: https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/nvdapy3.en.html We will continue to work with add-on and synthesizer developers. We don't have a choice about making this change, but like you, we don't want to see anyone left with decreased functionality due to an "upgrade". Rest assured we will continue to test these changes to NVDA's codebase prior to pushing them out to users. If you do still have any questions or concerns, please feel free to ask. Regards Quentin Quentin Christensen Training and Support Manager NVDA 2019.2beta3 now available! Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/ Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/ User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess Twitter: @NVAccess
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NVDA add-ons and Python 3: at least a third of add-ons hosted on community add-ons website are compatible
Hi all,
As a way to inform the community about ongoing Python 3 transition (which began last week but may pick up speed starting in August), I (as the add-ons community coordinator on Python 3 transition) will provide updates on how various add-ons are doing in terms of Python 3 transition. Most status updates will coincide with NVDA milestones e.g. 2019.2 release candidate, 2019.3 beta 1, and so on. I’ll do my best to provide updates once or twice a month.
Notes:
Python 3 and add-ons status as of July 29, 2019:
Community directive (July 2019 no. 1): contact add-on authors. Because many add-ons (including some notable ones) are not compatible at this point, please ask add-on authors about their thoughts about porting their add-ons to Python 3. Depending on which add-ons you are using and author:
Notable add-ons hosted outside community add-ons website:
Thank you. Cheers, Joseph
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Re: NVDA addon: Community feedback on new Developer toolkit feature requested
Jacob Kruger
Andy, relative positioning would definitely be useful at times,
but, it would be better as an option you could toggle on and off? Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA "...resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."
On 2019-07-28 5:17 AM, Andy B. wrote:
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Re: A Question About NVDA, Python 3 and Espeak
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How? Cheers, Joseph
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of mattias Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2019 10:54 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] A Question About NVDA, Python 3 and Espeak no addon updater is broken Den 2019-07-28 kl. 23:51, skrev David Csercsics: The only add-ons I usually use are braille extender and the Windows 10
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Re: A Question About NVDA, Python 3 and Espeak
mattias
no addon updater is broken
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Den 2019-07-28 kl. 23:51, skrev David Csercsics:
The only add-ons I usually use are braille extender and the Windows 10 essential ones, and the add-on updater, but it looks like all of those are either being updated, or already work fine with the new Python 3, but I'd be happy to help with this if I can.
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Deleting network shares was: Re: [nvda] Anybody have accessible NAS recommendations?
Mobeen Iqbal
Hi. I'm using NVDA latest version with firefox latest on windows 10. Press enter on your share. After the shares list on mine, NVDA says blank twice before the next item. the first blank is the delete share option, the second is edit. cheers, Mo.
On 29/07/2019 03:55, John Isige wrote:
I don't know that I'd go with WD again, but just in case, how accessible is it? I have a WD MyBook Live and it's mostly accessible. I can't delete shares I've made though and some of the other operations for manipulating them don't really work that reliably. So I'd like to make sure I can get something that's really accessible if I'm going to spend money to update.
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Re: Anybody have accessible NAS recommendations?
Well if you jack the processers in your nas to as high as they can fit and install the ram you need, you can probably ditch the os entirely and run your own linux distribution because a few audio geeks did it that way and bang you have not only a backup solution but a media server and other things as well but I have no idea how to do that. These guys also have huge cloud backups of things.
On 29/07/2019 3:14 PM, Tyler Wood
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Re: Anybody have accessible NAS recommendations?
Tyler Wood
Hi, I’ve heard good things about sonology. The thing that’s turning me off any of these NAS devices is the fact that software can change at a moments notice with a firmware update, as happened with netgear, and said firmware downgrade may be impossible. I’d rather get a refurbished computer (after all, all these NAS’s are is a computer), get one of those mediasonic proraid drive enclosures and install one of the pre-existing NAS programs for either Windows or Linux – this way you’re in complete control of what you get and when you get it. Of course, it all depends on what you do, but initial setup for most things really doesn’t sound difficult.
Just my opinion, however. After I was unable to downgrade the firmware of a netgear NAS for a friend, that turned me off of them quite a lot. Of course your mileage may vary, and certain companies may be better than others.
Best of luck!
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Isige
I don't know that I'd go with WD again, but just in case, how accessible is it? I have a WD MyBook Live and it's mostly accessible. I can't delete shares I've made though and some of the other operations for manipulating them don't really work that reliably. So I'd like to make sure I can get something that's really accessible if I'm going to spend money to update.
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Re: Anybody have accessible NAS recommendations?
John Isige
I don't know that I'd go with WD again, but just in case, how accessible is it? I have a WD MyBook Live and it's mostly accessible. I can't delete shares I've made though and some of the other operations for manipulating them don't really work that reliably. So I'd like to make sure I can get something that's really accessible if I'm going to spend money to update.
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Re: Anybody have accessible NAS recommendations?
John Isige
Could you explain a bit about what 97% accessible means? Specifically, what things aren't accessible?
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Re: Braille Extender not saving tables
David Csercsics
It is definitely a bug! I can duplicate it here as well as a couple other things. But the add-on will likely no longer work as of 2019.3 because of the move to Python 3 support, so we may have to find another solution.
A pity for me because I really enjoy my braille display, but I'll see what I can learn to sort this out.
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