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Re: Webaim survey

molly the blind tech lover
 

I took the survey too.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2019 8:46 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Webaim survey

 

I agree.

Sadly its not got much better online and some of it was a bit worse.

Its quite generic servey.

Still it must help I know people do look at it.

 

 

On 31/07/2019 8:32 AM, brian wrote:

    I also took this survey and it's quite similar to past surveys.  mMost of the same questions.

Brian Sackrider

On 7/30/2019 4:23 PM, Ângelo Abrantes wrote:

Done!

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Hello list,

 

Please take the time to complete this survey before it expires.

Thanks.

 

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In-Process 31st July

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi everyone,

This week in In-Process, NVDA 2019.2 RC1, improving mail with Litmus, updates to the Switching from Jaws to NVDA Wiki, and the WebAIM screen reader survey.


Regards

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Re: Webaim survey

 

I agree.

Sadly its not got much better online and some of it was a bit worse.

Its quite generic servey.

Still it must help I know people do look at it.



On 31/07/2019 8:32 AM, brian wrote:

    I also took this survey and it's quite similar to past surveys.  mMost of the same questions.

Brian Sackrider

On 7/30/2019 4:23 PM, Ângelo Abrantes wrote:

Done!

Ângelo Abrantes

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Please take the time to complete this survey before it expires.
Thanks.

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Re: Running NVDA as a virtualise app using App-v #winten1709

Genevieve Nolasco
 

Thanks guys, I will relay these responses to our software packaging teams. I believe that aside from the audio ducking error that shows up in the logs the software works fine as a virtualized app.


Re: Webaim survey

g melconian
 

Nimer, I took the survey to improve accessibility on the mobile platform whether htat be on android or I OS. 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Nimer Jaber
Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2019 12:36 PM
To: NVDA Group <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] Webaim survey

 

Hello list,

 

Please take the time to complete this survey before it expires.

Thanks.

 

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FW: [nvda-addons] BrailleExtender and Python 3 compatibility

 

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From: nvda-addons@nvda-addons.groups.io <nvda-addons@nvda-addons.groups.io> On Behalf Of André-Abush Clause via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2019 2:35 PM
To: nvda-addons@nvda-addons.groups.io
Subject: [nvda-addons] BrailleExtender and Python 3 compatibility

Hi,

As I've been received several emails about BrailleExtender and Python 3 compatibility these last days, I'd like to give some news about it here.
In short, it's a work in progress.
You can find more details and a release (in development) on the following link:
<https://github.com/Andre9642/BrailleExtender/pull/32>
Thanks and best regards,
André


Re: Webaim survey

Adriani Botez
 

Hello,

 

this makes sense, because they want to assess the results over a long time period in a regular way and the results should be comparable to last years in order to see where the trend is going.

 

Best

Adriani

 

 

Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Im Auftrag von brian
Gesendet: Dienstag, 30. Juli 2019 22:33
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] Webaim survey

 

    I also took this survey and it's quite similar to past surveys.  mMost of the same questions.

Brian Sackrider

On 7/30/2019 4:23 PM, Ângelo Abrantes wrote:

Done!

Ângelo Abrantes

Às 20:36 de 30-07-2019, Nimer Jaber escreveu:

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Please take the time to complete this survey before it expires.

Thanks.

 

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Re: Webaim survey

brian
 

    I also took this survey and it's quite similar to past surveys.  mMost of the same questions.

Brian Sackrider

On 7/30/2019 4:23 PM, Ângelo Abrantes wrote:

Done!

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Às 20:36 de 30-07-2019, Nimer Jaber escreveu:
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Please take the time to complete this survey before it expires.
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Re: Webaim survey

 

Same here
Also forwarded this message to a few other lists.

Cheers,
Marcio AKA Starboy

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Adriani Botez wrote:

Me either.

 

 

Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Im Auftrag von Ângelo Abrantes
Gesendet: Dienstag, 30. Juli 2019 22:24
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] Webaim survey

 

Done!

Ângelo Abrantes



Re: Webaim survey

Adriani Botez
 

Me either.

 

 

Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Im Auftrag von Ângelo Abrantes
Gesendet: Dienstag, 30. Juli 2019 22:24
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] Webaim survey

 

Done!

Ângelo Abrantes

Às 20:36 de 30-07-2019, Nimer Jaber escreveu:

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Re: Webaim survey

Ângelo Abrantes
 

Done!

Ângelo Abrantes

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Webaim survey

Nimer Jaber
 

Hello list,

Please take the time to complete this survey before it expires.
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Re: NVDA remote

Jonathan COHN
 

I have seen this happen when an addon is not completely installed. I ended up going to the

%appdata%\nvda\ directory and finding the semi-installed addon and deleting it. I wonder if there is an enhancement request to clean out or ask the user if they want to re-install such components.

Jonathan Cohn

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert Doc Wright godfearer
Sent: Monday, July 29, 2019 10:52 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA remote
Importance: Low

 


A friend has the latest NVDA remote installed but when you go to addon manager it says will install after restart. We have restarted several times and we get the same report in the addon manager. We have even rebooted the pc and yet remote does not show under tools in the NVDA menu.

 

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nvda rc1

Gary Metzler
 

Hi All,

 

Rc1 is working great on my system.


Re: Nvda 2017

 

which version of 2017 do you want exactly?

On 7/30/19, farhan israk <fahim.net.2014@...> wrote:
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Re: cells in Excel not reading after a cell is typed in

Chris Mullins
 

Hi

I’m not sure if this applies to Excel 365 but it does in my Excel 2007 version.  In the Excel options, advanced category, the first field in the dialog is a check box entitled:

“After pressing enter, move selection”

If this box is checked the combo box following it can be set to Up, Down, Left, Right and when pressing enter after typing into a cell,focus is moved accordingly and the cell you have just left does not get read out, it just announces the co-ordinates of the cell focus has moved to.

If the check box is left unchecked, the related combo box is greyed out.  Pressing enter will announce the data just entered, the co-ordinates of the cell and focus  remains in the cell

 

Cheers

Chris

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Cohn, Jonathan
Sent: 30 July 2019 15:23
To: Governor staten; nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] cells in Excel not reading after a cell is typed in

 

Hello,

 

Try typing nvda-tab and see if the cursor is in the cell or the editing region. For me, after hitting return when inputting data into a cell, the focus went back from the editor panel to the cell and I heard “cell C7” when I hit insert-tab. If instead you hear “edit cell edit focused” type escape and it should tell you the cell coordinates.

 

 

Jonathan

 

From: Governor staten <govsta@...>
Date: Tuesday, July 30, 2019 at 9:55 AM
To: "nvda@nvda.groups.io" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] cells in Excel not reading after a cell is typed in

 

After typing into a cell, we press enter to exit the cell. After we've exited from a cell, it reads cell contents, but no column and row information. It read column and row information before we edited anything. After we have edited a cell, it no longer reads the column and row information, as I'm sure it should.

 

 


 

On 7/29/2019 9:30 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:

I'm actually not clear on what the issue here is.  Are you saying after editing a cell, when you move around the worksheet NVDA isn't reading cell coordinates (A1, B5, etc)?  If that, is it reading them before editing the cell?  In NVDA's Document settings (NVDA+control+d) there is an option to report "cell coordinates" (alt+o on that page), although that shouldn't have anything to do with editing a cell.


Otherwise, the usual things to check:

1) You said you were running 2019.1.1 so it's unlikely you recently installed that, but since we did release 2019.2 rc2 today, if you update versions, be sure to restart the computer.

2) Are you using any add-ons?  Try pressing NVDA+q, then down arrow to "restart with add-ons disabled" and press ENTER.

 

If neither of those help, could you provide exact steps to repro, as well as what is happening (and what should happen) and a copy of your NVDA log (perhaps at Debug level, since it sounds like it's just not reading something you're expecting it to read, where it may not be generating an error).  See https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/wiki/LogFilesAndCrashDumps for info on log files.


Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Tue, Jul 30, 2019 at 11:07 AM Supanut Leepaisomboon <supanut2000@...> wrote:

I think I'm experiencing a similar, if not exactly the same, issue as well with the latest version of NVDA and Excel 2016/365.


 

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Re: Brltty, anything new

 

Good news, folks! I installed the latest Brltty (filename in my above post) on two Windows 10 machines, one at work and one at home. The home machine is a slow, slow atom and the one at work is a superfast Intel CPU with six cores.

And NVDA communicates with it flawlessly. This is Windows 10 1903. On the slow machine of course Brltty is just a bit, um slow, but there have been no problems other than the lack of responsiveness on the slow machine.

After I insured all that worked, I installed the Braille extender, which works as advertised. It took me a while to figure out how to configure multiple Braille tables, you have to repeatedly press the Spacebar to cycle through the multiple settings similar to using the JAWS settings center.

I also discovered that the weird characters I kept complaining about were either unprintable characters, such as ASCII 12 for form-feed, or unicode characters for which there's no Braille equivalent in the current table.  For example, foreign language accents have characters that don't have equivalents in all Braille tables.

But Braille extender will suppress them all if you turn that configuration on.

As for Windows 10 and serial ports, I have some experience with this because we do ham radio packet. If your ancient display needs to connect via serial, try to get a usb-to-serial converter that has the FTDI chip. With others it is kind of hit or miss whether Windows 10 will support it. I have a few with the Prolific chip, and early Windows 10 supported them and the current Windows 10 doesn't.

With Braille extender the easiest way to find out how the keystrokes are assigned is to look under Input gestures. Brltty has some weird names for the keys on your display, but that's pretty easy to deal with if you press NVDA and the number 1 key and listen to what NVDA thinks your Braille display keys are named.

Explaining this more clearly: NVDA talks to Brltty and Brltty talks to your display. When you press a key on the Braille display, Brltty passes the keypress event on to NVDA, reporting say that a key named LNUP was pressed. So NVDA doesn't know what display you have, but it does know the Brlltty name for the button you pressed. So if  for example you want your leftmost arrow-shaped button to move back a line, you can go in to input gestures and change it by simply pressing the button where you'd normally add a keystroke.  And if you want to see what's already assigned to that button, you' press NVDA and 1 and then press that button to see what NVDA announces about the command that button press currently invokes.

As for Narrator and Braille, I haven't tried that yet but I did discover that the Brltty service is loaded when Narrator starts and unloaded when it is exited. So that's why probably NVDA can't use that Brltty. I don't know if two copies of Brltty running is going to confuse Narrator or NVDA, so far I've used some funky old laptops for testing out Narrator with Braille because I didn't want to mess up any computer I had to do real work on.
  Whether Narrator can use the Brltty I installed for NVDA is something I will fool with when I get the time.
Meanwhile, it is amazing how many old Braille displays show up on Ebay. If you hanker for Braille but don't have the budget,  Brltty supports nearly everything out there that shows up on ebay.  But get a sighted friend who has some tech knowledge, like a ham radio operator to take a look at the pictures before you purchase a display on ebay; you want to be sure it looks like it's in working condition.


Re: Braille Extender not saving tables

David Csercsics
 

Yes, that makes sense. He did say somewhere that the documentation needs to be improved. We could see if that’s possible, assuming the add-on will get updates once they move to Python 3.

 


Re: cells in Excel not reading after a cell is typed in

Jonathan COHN
 

Hello,

 

Try typing nvda-tab and see if the cursor is in the cell or the editing region. For me, after hitting return when inputting data into a cell, the focus went back from the editor panel to the cell and I heard “cell C7” when I hit insert-tab. If instead you hear “edit cell edit focused” type escape and it should tell you the cell coordinates.

 

Jonathan

 

From: Governor staten <govsta@...>
Date: Tuesday, July 30, 2019 at 9:55 AM
To: "nvda@nvda.groups.io" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] cells in Excel not reading after a cell is typed in

 

After typing into a cell, we press enter to exit the cell. After we've exited from a cell, it reads cell contents, but no column and row information. It read column and row information before we edited anything. After we have edited a cell, it no longer reads the column and row information, as I'm sure it should.

 

 


 

On 7/29/2019 9:30 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:

I'm actually not clear on what the issue here is.  Are you saying after editing a cell, when you move around the worksheet NVDA isn't reading cell coordinates (A1, B5, etc)?  If that, is it reading them before editing the cell?  In NVDA's Document settings (NVDA+control+d) there is an option to report "cell coordinates" (alt+o on that page), although that shouldn't have anything to do with editing a cell.


Otherwise, the usual things to check:

1) You said you were running 2019.1.1 so it's unlikely you recently installed that, but since we did release 2019.2 rc2 today, if you update versions, be sure to restart the computer.

2) Are you using any add-ons?  Try pressing NVDA+q, then down arrow to "restart with add-ons disabled" and press ENTER.

 

If neither of those help, could you provide exact steps to repro, as well as what is happening (and what should happen) and a copy of your NVDA log (perhaps at Debug level, since it sounds like it's just not reading something you're expecting it to read, where it may not be generating an error).  See https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/wiki/LogFilesAndCrashDumps for info on log files.


Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Tue, Jul 30, 2019 at 11:07 AM Supanut Leepaisomboon <supanut2000@...> wrote:

I think I'm experiencing a similar, if not exactly the same, issue as well with the latest version of NVDA and Excel 2016/365.


 

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NVDA 2019.2beta1 now available!

 


Re: Braille Extender not saving tables

 

Guys, this was my mistake! It works perfectly. The problem was the help screen, you are supposed to read by pressing F1,  wasn't reading on my home PC. I tried it at work and could read the help fine.
Here's what you do in Braille tables. You arrow through the list of tables and press Spacebar on the one or ones you want. The first time you press Space it says "input only" and the second press of spacebar it says "output only". The third time you press space it says "both input and output"  and the fourth press of Space cycles back to "none". By default, they are all set to "None".

It's not a bug exactly, just a documentation bug. It should be explained clearly in Braille extender's documentation how configuring tables works, and it's not.  Instead the documentation has details on the default keystrokes for Braille extender which you can find under input gestures anyway.

I think I'm going to post something over in the chat subgroup about documentation bugs vs real bugs, it's an interesting topic, but not relevant here on the main list.