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Re: NVDA and "Skip Ad" button on youtube

 

I am unsure about a youtube search.

If its someone's channel you are going to.

usually once I put /videos or playlists at the end of the url I can find the stuff I want to play.

I use pontes media downloader from http://scripts.pontesgames.ro to convert all my videos to mp3 which are huge like game streams and even mp3 music and free to watch lists.

So I avoid adds that way.

The youtube interface has become a bit slow, crashy and troublesom.

As for the user saying that they seem to have only 1 sponsor I am not surprised.

Youtube has had recently had to pull back on their openness of their add system after someone hacked the add system and took control of it.

It wasn't to bad but the fact they were able to do it and potentially do bad things to people, including but not limited to put fake scarey videos up on youtube, then quietly kill themselves so they couldn't be traced is a thing to be feared.

Those people havn't got caught.

Its not that bad of an attack per say but google is one of those big companies and for them to get compromised even in that small way is quite bad reputation wize.

In the wake of this a lot of people pulled out of youtube adds.

Its good revenue for local content though.



On 3/08/2019 1:48 PM, Gene wrote:
I don't use Youtube that much but it seems as though Grammarlee, (spelling) is almost their only sponsor.  And those ads can't be skipped and it’s the same add for Grammarlee repeatedly.
 
Gene

Sent: Friday, August 02, 2019 8:43 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and "Skip Ad" button on youtube

I’ve seen a lot of adds lately that can’t be skipped.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, August 2, 2019 8:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and "Skip Ad" button on youtube

 

There are ads that can be skipped and ads that can't.  You only see the button when you can skip the ad.  It isn't displayed otherwise. 

 

The person reporting the problem sees the button on ads that can be skipped but the text that says skip ads isn't read.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Arlene

Sent: Friday, August 02, 2019 6:55 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and "Skip Ad" button on youtube

 

Sometimes I do see skip add button.  It doesn’t matter what screen reader I use. 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gene
Sent: August 2, 2019 4:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and "Skip Ad" button on youtube

 

I don't think that is the reason for the problem.  the person said he/she, I don't remember who posed the problem, used to find the button.  I can find it but I'm using an old version of NVDA.  It seems to me that the question is how many other people no longer see the button announced as skip ads.  The problem may be on that specific machine or affect only a small number of users, but when someone says that they no longer see text displayed on a button and just hear clickable, that means that the person is still seeing the button and that if the screen-reader were reading text, it would be read. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Arlene

Sent: Friday, August 02, 2019 3:52 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and "Skip Ad" button on youtube

 

I believe they are putting rubbish on the screen.  I don’t go there often.  I go there for songs.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Quentin Christensen
Sent: August 2, 2019 3:50 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and "Skip Ad" button on youtube

 

Maybe YouTube is putting more rubbish on the screen?  I'm not sure, as I say I have a subscription so don't usually get ads.  I could definitely find it when I logged out and played videos, although yes, you have to trudge past a few things to find it.  The best workaround I can suggest is a YouTube premium (or YouTube Music, or whatever they're calling it this week) subscription.

 

 

 

On Fri, Aug 2, 2019 at 7:23 PM Jaffar Sidek <jaffar.sidek10@...> wrote:

Hi.  I am aware of all that, but the "skip ad" button has been relatively harder to detect lately, hence my post.

On 8/1/2019 6:30 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:

I just tried, and I can find the button, pretty much exactly the same ways as in Firefox.

 

Note that YouTube has a few different ways of showing ads.  The ones which have the "Skip ad" button, tend to be ones which play for five seconds or so first (with a count down timer where the Skip Ad button would be) before the Skip Ad button is shown.  If you are quick off the mark, and try to find the button before this point, you may not be able to.

 

The ads in this case are often a couple of minutes long.  YouTube sometimes shows other ads which are 30 seconds or so, and for some of these ads, it doesn't offer a facility to skip the ad, but rather shows a message saying that your video will play (or resume) after the ad.  In that case there is no Skip ad button either.

 

Are you sure the ads you are seeing do in fact have skip ad buttons?

 

I didn't try with NVDA 2019.1.1, but only NVDA 2019.2 rc1, I'm not sure if that makes a difference of the top of my head: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-2rc1-released/

 

I was using Chrome Version 75.0.3770.142 (Official Build) (64-bit) I noticed when I just checked that it decided there was an update, but I don't think this build was that old.

 

Regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Thu, Aug 1, 2019 at 7:31 PM Dejan Ristic <r.dejan83@...> wrote:

Hi,

 

What I've faced so far?

 

If I wish NVDA to recognize the skip ad button, I switch to the focus mode and tab and/or shift tab to find and activate the button, for there are cases when NVDA does not recognize the very button we're talking about when in the browse mode.

 

Dejan

On 01/08/2019 10:23, Jaffar Sidek wrote:

Hi Quentin.  I have been using Chrome for quite a while and so i can't tell you if Chrome is the culprit or not since  the button is still seen by  JFW.  For me at least, NVDA seems to no longer read the button correctly since the early 2019 version, so if it was a chrome or youtube update, won't JFW face the same issue then?  The "Clickable" word to me is not an issue for me right now as I depend upon it to tell me that I am on the "Skip ad" button.  Cheers.

On 8/1/2019 2:19 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:

Hi Jaffar,

 

Can you confirm whether the issue is with newer versions of NVDA, or recent updates to YouTube (or your browser)?

 

Looking at YouTube in FireFox 68.0.1 with NVDA 2019.2rc1, I can see a "Clickable skip ad" button when there is an ad showing.  You can either get to it with tab or b (or shift+tab or shift+b), or you can do an NVDA search for "skip" is usually enough to find it.


For the "clickable" part, if you don't want clickable announced, you can turn that off in NVDA's document settings (NVDA+control+d)

 

I must admit, I have a YouTube subscription so I haven't seen ads in awhile to know if that behaviour has changed lately.

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Thu, Aug 1, 2019 at 3:52 PM Jaffar Sidek <jaffar.sidek10@...> wrote:

Hi.  Not so long ago, with the previous versions, the "Skip ad" button
on youtube could be read by NVDA.  Now however, the newer versions of
NVDA seem to read that particular button just as "Clickable".  It is
rather unfortunate that one has to navigate to the slider which allows
us to skip a video back or forward, then arrow up to the "clickable"
button immediately above the slider to activate it.  The "Skip ad"
button is still recognized by JFW as usual.  Perhaps I am missing
something?  Just letting the NVDA team know.  Cheers!


 

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Tor Browser once again becoming accessible with NVDA

Perry Simm
 

Hi!
Just thought I'd let you know that the current alpha of the Tor Browser is accessible, that is, browse mode is working again.
Keep in mind that using an alpha version may expose you to some risks depending on what you are doing. So if it's anything mission-critical, better wait for the stable release.
Cheers Perry


Re: code factory voices addon

Ed Marquette
 

Orlando:
I think you are confused and are asking a question of the wrong group. NVDA and NV Access are separate from Code Factory. Code Factory has chosen to license and then sub license Eloquence and Vocalizer voices either as universal products, i.e., that work with any screen reader or in a less expensive version that works only with NVDA.
That is not a design flaw in NVDA.
You get Vocalizer and Eloquence free with JAWS, BUT ONLY after you have paid several hundred dollars (or other currency equivalent) for JAWS itself.
Remember, with Code Factory’s Eloquence and Vocalizer add-in, one has to be an administrator to run it, something few corporations will allow.
That too is not an NVDA flaw. That’s a Code Factory design flaw.

On Aug 3, 2019, at 7:12 AM, Orlando Enrique Fiol via Groups.Io <ofiol=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Hi Gene.

Other screen-reader companies purchase the licensing to use the
voices. NVDA is a free screen-reader. The user purchases his/her own
license. A screen-reader and the synthesizer are separate products.
I have no issue paying for the SAPI5 Vocalizer voices.. According to your logic, my purchase buys me a license that I can use with any screen reader. So, why the $69 for the NVDA addon?


Orlando Enrique Fiol




Re: code factory voices addon

 

Hello,

The NVDA add-on for the Vocalizer voices and their SAPI5 variants are separate things/products. You can use either one or the other. You don't need to buy both, to be able to use the Vocalizer voices with NVDA. If you buy the NVDA add-on, you can use them only with NVDA. If you buy the SAPI5 variant, you can use them with any program that supports SAPI5, including NVDA, without the need to pay extra to use them with NVDA.

______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev

На 3.8.2019 г. в 8:36, Orlando Enrique Fiol via Groups.Io написа:

At 01:32 AM 8/3/2019, Gene wrote:
>An add-on is what it says, an add-on.  It isn't part of the
>screen-reader.  Many add-ons are free.  People develop them as a
>volunteer, non profit activity.  That doesn't mean they all are.  The
>add-on for voices that charge for their use must be paid for, just as
>the SAPI 5 voices you are discussing must be.  they are for profit voices.
>And if I want to develop an add-on and charge for my work, that would
>be my decision.  I can charge even if it all my original work.

Agreed. However, I think it's excessive to have to purchase both the Vocalizer voices and the NVDA addon just to use those voices with NVDA. Thatt voice venture would set one back by $184. I understand rewarding people's work in creating addons that render previously inaccessible applications accessible. But if NVDA requires an addon to run voices that every other screen reader can run on the SAPI5 Vocalizer license, that's a fundamental design flaw in NVDA.

Orlando Enrique Fiol





Re: code factory voices addon

Orlando Enrique Fiol
 

At 01:32 AM 8/3/2019, Gene wrote:
An add-on is what it says, an add-on. It isn't part of the
screen-reader. Many add-ons are free. People develop them as a
volunteer, non profit activity. That doesn't mean they all are. The
add-on for voices that charge for their use must be paid for, just as
the SAPI 5 voices you are discussing must be. they are for profit voices.
And if I want to develop an add-on and charge for my work, that would
be my decision. I can charge even if it all my original work.
Agreed. However, I think it's excessive to have to purchase both the Vocalizer voices and the NVDA addon just to use those voices with NVDA. Thatt voice venture would set one back by $184. I understand rewarding people's work in creating addons that render previously inaccessible applications accessible. But if NVDA requires an addon to run voices that every other screen reader can run on the SAPI5 Vocalizer license, that's a fundamental design flaw in NVDA.

Orlando Enrique Fiol


Re: code factory voices addon

Gene
 

An add-on is what it says, an add-on.  It isn't part of the screen-reader.  Many add-ons are free.  People develop them as a volunteer, non profit activity.  That doesn't mean they all are.  The add-on for voices that charge for their use must be paid for, just as the SAPI 5 voices you are discussing must be.  they are for profit voices. 
 
And if I want to develop an add-on and charge for my work, that would be my decision.  I can charge even if it all my original work. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2019 12:12 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] code factory voices addon

Hi Gene.

 >Other screen-reader companies purchase the licensing to use the
 >voices.  NVDA is a free screen-reader.  The user purchases his/her own
 >license.  A screen-reader and the synthesizer are separate products.

I have no issue paying for the SAPI5 Vocalizer voices.. According to
your logic, my purchase buys me a license that I can use with any
screen reader. So, why the $69 for the NVDA addon?


Orlando Enrique Fiol




Re: braille on user account control screens?

Luke Davis
 

Do you have your current braille configuration saved in the administrative config of NVDA?

Luke

On Fri, 2 Aug 2019, David Csercsics wrote:

Is there a way to get NVDA to read user account control screens with a braille display? It works on the log on screen, but the UAC prompts just show up as "Secure Desktop" in braille. So I have to pick up my keyboard and speech for that. Not a huge deal for me personally, but someone needing braille only would run into trouble unless I miss something.


Re: code factory voices addon

Orlando Enrique Fiol
 

Hi Gene.

Other screen-reader companies purchase the licensing to use the
voices. NVDA is a free screen-reader. The user purchases his/her own
license. A screen-reader and the synthesizer are separate products.
I have no issue paying for the SAPI5 Vocalizer voices.. According to your logic, my purchase buys me a license that I can use with any screen reader. So, why the $69 for the NVDA addon?


Orlando Enrique Fiol


Re: code factory voices addon

Gene
 

Other screen-reader companies purchase the licensing to use the voices.  NVDA is a free screen-reader.  The user purchases his/her own license.  A screen-reader and the synthesizer are separate products. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2019 12:02 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] code factory voices addon

How odd that a free, open source screen reader requires a paid addon
for the "privilege" of using paid Vocalizer voices that work as a
SAPI5 TTS for all other screen readers! Can someone explain that logic to me?
.

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Ph.D. in Music Theory
University of Pennsylvania: November, 2018
Professional Pianist/Keyboardist, Percussionist, Arranger, Performer
and Pedagogue
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Mobile: (267) 971-7090
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Re: braille on user account control screens?

Jackie
 

In the 'Preferences > General Settings', have you tried pressing the
'Use currently saved settings on the logon and other secure screens'
button?

On 8/2/19, David Csercsics <bleeblat@...> wrote:
Is there a way to get NVDA to read user account control screens with a
braille display? It works on the log on screen, but the UAC prompts just
show up as "Secure Desktop" in braille. So I have to pick up my keyboard
and speech for that. Not a huge deal for me personally, but someone
needing braille only would run into trouble unless I miss something.




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Re: code factory voices addon

Orlando Enrique Fiol
 

How odd that a free, open source screen reader requires a paid addon for the "privilege" of using paid Vocalizer voices that work as a SAPI5 TTS for all other screen readers! Can someone explain that logic to me?
.

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Ph.D. in Music Theory
University of Pennsylvania: November, 2018
Professional Pianist/Keyboardist, Percussionist, Arranger, Performer and Pedagogue
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Mobile: (267) 971-7090
Email: ofiol@...


braille on user account control screens?

David Csercsics
 

Is there a way to get NVDA to read user account control screens with a braille display? It works on the log on screen, but the UAC prompts just show up as "Secure Desktop" in braille. So I have to pick up my keyboard and speech for that. Not a huge deal for me personally, but someone needing braille only would run into trouble unless I miss something.


Re: Is there a way to set NVDA 2019.2-RC1 to exit focus mode in Skype?

Gene
 

Also, if you want automatic switching in general, you could leave the setting as it is and set up a profile when Skype runs that turns it off for Skype. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, August 02, 2019 8:43 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is there a way to set NVDA 2019.2-RC1 to exit focus mode in Skype?

The problem may be that the screen-reader is going into forms mode automatically and you are putting it back in browse mode where it works properly with the program.  I don’t want NVDA to automatically change modes and I turn the feature off.  If you do that, you may not have to do anything after you open the program.  You will have to go into forms mode when you want to manually.  You can see which you prefer.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
will move the cursor, but only within a
block. So if I'm on a message it will move within that message, but if I
get to the edit field it will only move in that. I still have to hit
NVDA-space to get the arrows to move through all of Skype normally. This
is Skype 8 desktop, specifically Skype 8.50. It's not a big deal if
there's no way to change it, it's just annoying because it's something i
have to stop and do every time I open skype for the first time after I boot.


Re: NVDA and "Skip Ad" button on youtube

Gene
 

I don't use Youtube that much but it seems as though Grammarlee, (spelling) is almost their only sponsor.  And those ads can't be skipped and it’s the same add for Grammarlee repeatedly.
 
Gene

Sent: Friday, August 02, 2019 8:43 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and "Skip Ad" button on youtube

I’ve seen a lot of adds lately that can’t be skipped.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, August 2, 2019 8:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and "Skip Ad" button on youtube

 

There are ads that can be skipped and ads that can't.  You only see the button when you can skip the ad.  It isn't displayed otherwise. 

 

The person reporting the problem sees the button on ads that can be skipped but the text that says skip ads isn't read.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Arlene

Sent: Friday, August 02, 2019 6:55 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and "Skip Ad" button on youtube

 

Sometimes I do see skip add button.  It doesn’t matter what screen reader I use. 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gene
Sent: August 2, 2019 4:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and "Skip Ad" button on youtube

 

I don't think that is the reason for the problem.  the person said he/she, I don't remember who posed the problem, used to find the button.  I can find it but I'm using an old version of NVDA.  It seems to me that the question is how many other people no longer see the button announced as skip ads.  The problem may be on that specific machine or affect only a small number of users, but when someone says that they no longer see text displayed on a button and just hear clickable, that means that the person is still seeing the button and that if the screen-reader were reading text, it would be read. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Arlene

Sent: Friday, August 02, 2019 3:52 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and "Skip Ad" button on youtube

 

I believe they are putting rubbish on the screen.  I don’t go there often.  I go there for songs.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Quentin Christensen
Sent: August 2, 2019 3:50 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and "Skip Ad" button on youtube

 

Maybe YouTube is putting more rubbish on the screen?  I'm not sure, as I say I have a subscription so don't usually get ads.  I could definitely find it when I logged out and played videos, although yes, you have to trudge past a few things to find it.  The best workaround I can suggest is a YouTube premium (or YouTube Music, or whatever they're calling it this week) subscription.

 

 

 

On Fri, Aug 2, 2019 at 7:23 PM Jaffar Sidek <jaffar.sidek10@...> wrote:

Hi.  I am aware of all that, but the "skip ad" button has been relatively harder to detect lately, hence my post.

On 8/1/2019 6:30 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:

I just tried, and I can find the button, pretty much exactly the same ways as in Firefox.

 

Note that YouTube has a few different ways of showing ads.  The ones which have the "Skip ad" button, tend to be ones which play for five seconds or so first (with a count down timer where the Skip Ad button would be) before the Skip Ad button is shown.  If you are quick off the mark, and try to find the button before this point, you may not be able to.

 

The ads in this case are often a couple of minutes long.  YouTube sometimes shows other ads which are 30 seconds or so, and for some of these ads, it doesn't offer a facility to skip the ad, but rather shows a message saying that your video will play (or resume) after the ad.  In that case there is no Skip ad button either.

 

Are you sure the ads you are seeing do in fact have skip ad buttons?

 

I didn't try with NVDA 2019.1.1, but only NVDA 2019.2 rc1, I'm not sure if that makes a difference of the top of my head: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-2rc1-released/

 

I was using Chrome Version 75.0.3770.142 (Official Build) (64-bit) I noticed when I just checked that it decided there was an update, but I don't think this build was that old.

 

Regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Thu, Aug 1, 2019 at 7:31 PM Dejan Ristic <r.dejan83@...> wrote:

Hi,

 

What I've faced so far?

 

If I wish NVDA to recognize the skip ad button, I switch to the focus mode and tab and/or shift tab to find and activate the button, for there are cases when NVDA does not recognize the very button we're talking about when in the browse mode.

 

Dejan

On 01/08/2019 10:23, Jaffar Sidek wrote:

Hi Quentin.  I have been using Chrome for quite a while and so i can't tell you if Chrome is the culprit or not since  the button is still seen by  JFW.  For me at least, NVDA seems to no longer read the button correctly since the early 2019 version, so if it was a chrome or youtube update, won't JFW face the same issue then?  The "Clickable" word to me is not an issue for me right now as I depend upon it to tell me that I am on the "Skip ad" button.  Cheers.

On 8/1/2019 2:19 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:

Hi Jaffar,

 

Can you confirm whether the issue is with newer versions of NVDA, or recent updates to YouTube (or your browser)?

 

Looking at YouTube in FireFox 68.0.1 with NVDA 2019.2rc1, I can see a "Clickable skip ad" button when there is an ad showing.  You can either get to it with tab or b (or shift+tab or shift+b), or you can do an NVDA search for "skip" is usually enough to find it.


For the "clickable" part, if you don't want clickable announced, you can turn that off in NVDA's document settings (NVDA+control+d)

 

I must admit, I have a YouTube subscription so I haven't seen ads in awhile to know if that behaviour has changed lately.

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Thu, Aug 1, 2019 at 3:52 PM Jaffar Sidek <jaffar.sidek10@...> wrote:

Hi.  Not so long ago, with the previous versions, the "Skip ad" button
on youtube could be read by NVDA.  Now however, the newer versions of
NVDA seem to read that particular button just as "Clickable".  It is
rather unfortunate that one has to navigate to the slider which allows
us to skip a video back or forward, then arrow up to the "clickable"
button immediately above the slider to activate it.  The "Skip ad"
button is still recognized by JFW as usual.  Perhaps I am missing
something?  Just letting the NVDA team know.  Cheers!


 

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Re: Is there a way to set NVDA 2019.2-RC1 to exit focus mode in Skype?

Gene
 

The problem may be that the screen-reader is going into forms mode automatically and you are putting it back in browse mode where it works properly with the program.  I don’t want NVDA to automatically change modes and I turn the feature off.  If you do that, you may not have to do anything after you open the program.  You will have to go into forms mode when you want to manually.  You can see which you prefer.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
will move the cursor, but only within a
block. So if I'm on a message it will move within that message, but if I
get to the edit field it will only move in that. I still have to hit
NVDA-space to get the arrows to move through all of Skype normally. This
is Skype 8 desktop, specifically Skype 8.50. It's not a big deal if
there's no way to change it, it's just annoying because it's something i
have to stop and do every time I open skype for the first time after I boot.


Re: NVDA and "Skip Ad" button on youtube

molly the blind tech lover
 

I’ve seen a lot of adds lately that can’t be skipped.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, August 2, 2019 8:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and "Skip Ad" button on youtube

 

There are ads that can be skipped and ads that can't.  You only see the button when you can skip the ad.  It isn't displayed otherwise. 

 

The person reporting the problem sees the button on ads that can be skipped but the text that says skip ads isn't read.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Arlene

Sent: Friday, August 02, 2019 6:55 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and "Skip Ad" button on youtube

 

Sometimes I do see skip add button.  It doesn’t matter what screen reader I use. 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gene
Sent: August 2, 2019 4:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and "Skip Ad" button on youtube

 

I don't think that is the reason for the problem.  the person said he/she, I don't remember who posed the problem, used to find the button.  I can find it but I'm using an old version of NVDA.  It seems to me that the question is how many other people no longer see the button announced as skip ads.  The problem may be on that specific machine or affect only a small number of users, but when someone says that they no longer see text displayed on a button and just hear clickable, that means that the person is still seeing the button and that if the screen-reader were reading text, it would be read. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Arlene

Sent: Friday, August 02, 2019 3:52 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and "Skip Ad" button on youtube

 

I believe they are putting rubbish on the screen.  I don’t go there often.  I go there for songs.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Quentin Christensen
Sent: August 2, 2019 3:50 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and "Skip Ad" button on youtube

 

Maybe YouTube is putting more rubbish on the screen?  I'm not sure, as I say I have a subscription so don't usually get ads.  I could definitely find it when I logged out and played videos, although yes, you have to trudge past a few things to find it.  The best workaround I can suggest is a YouTube premium (or YouTube Music, or whatever they're calling it this week) subscription.

 

 

 

On Fri, Aug 2, 2019 at 7:23 PM Jaffar Sidek <jaffar.sidek10@...> wrote:

Hi.  I am aware of all that, but the "skip ad" button has been relatively harder to detect lately, hence my post.

On 8/1/2019 6:30 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:

I just tried, and I can find the button, pretty much exactly the same ways as in Firefox.

 

Note that YouTube has a few different ways of showing ads.  The ones which have the "Skip ad" button, tend to be ones which play for five seconds or so first (with a count down timer where the Skip Ad button would be) before the Skip Ad button is shown.  If you are quick off the mark, and try to find the button before this point, you may not be able to.

 

The ads in this case are often a couple of minutes long.  YouTube sometimes shows other ads which are 30 seconds or so, and for some of these ads, it doesn't offer a facility to skip the ad, but rather shows a message saying that your video will play (or resume) after the ad.  In that case there is no Skip ad button either.

 

Are you sure the ads you are seeing do in fact have skip ad buttons?

 

I didn't try with NVDA 2019.1.1, but only NVDA 2019.2 rc1, I'm not sure if that makes a difference of the top of my head: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-2rc1-released/

 

I was using Chrome Version 75.0.3770.142 (Official Build) (64-bit) I noticed when I just checked that it decided there was an update, but I don't think this build was that old.

 

Regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Thu, Aug 1, 2019 at 7:31 PM Dejan Ristic <r.dejan83@...> wrote:

Hi,

 

What I've faced so far?

 

If I wish NVDA to recognize the skip ad button, I switch to the focus mode and tab and/or shift tab to find and activate the button, for there are cases when NVDA does not recognize the very button we're talking about when in the browse mode.

 

Dejan

On 01/08/2019 10:23, Jaffar Sidek wrote:

Hi Quentin.  I have been using Chrome for quite a while and so i can't tell you if Chrome is the culprit or not since  the button is still seen by  JFW.  For me at least, NVDA seems to no longer read the button correctly since the early 2019 version, so if it was a chrome or youtube update, won't JFW face the same issue then?  The "Clickable" word to me is not an issue for me right now as I depend upon it to tell me that I am on the "Skip ad" button.  Cheers.

On 8/1/2019 2:19 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:

Hi Jaffar,

 

Can you confirm whether the issue is with newer versions of NVDA, or recent updates to YouTube (or your browser)?

 

Looking at YouTube in FireFox 68.0.1 with NVDA 2019.2rc1, I can see a "Clickable skip ad" button when there is an ad showing.  You can either get to it with tab or b (or shift+tab or shift+b), or you can do an NVDA search for "skip" is usually enough to find it.


For the "clickable" part, if you don't want clickable announced, you can turn that off in NVDA's document settings (NVDA+control+d)

 

I must admit, I have a YouTube subscription so I haven't seen ads in awhile to know if that behaviour has changed lately.

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Thu, Aug 1, 2019 at 3:52 PM Jaffar Sidek <jaffar.sidek10@...> wrote:

Hi.  Not so long ago, with the previous versions, the "Skip ad" button
on youtube could be read by NVDA.  Now however, the newer versions of
NVDA seem to read that particular button just as "Clickable".  It is
rather unfortunate that one has to navigate to the slider which allows
us to skip a video back or forward, then arrow up to the "clickable"
button immediately above the slider to activate it.  The "Skip ad"
button is still recognized by JFW as usual.  Perhaps I am missing
something?  Just letting the NVDA team know.  Cheers!


 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 

NVDA 2019.2 RC 1 now available!

 

 

Virus-free. www.avast.com


 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 

NVDA 2019.2 RC 1 now available!

 


 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 

NVDA 2019.2 RC 1 now available!

 

 

 


Re: code factory voices addon

molly the blind tech lover
 

Hi

Are there 2 vocalizer add-ons? I

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy
Sent: Friday, August 2, 2019 11:22 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] codefactory voices addon

 

not sure. I hope so. But I just bought both codeFactory eloquence vocalizer nvda-addon license, and vocalizer sapi5 license, and I am patiently waiting for my license keys to arrive. I already own two sapi5 eloquence keys, and I back up my important order information onto google drive so I do not lose it. I bought sapi5 vocalizer so I can have some good voices for audio games. But I am on a tablet with limited storage so when I install vocalizer voices I will install the smaller voices which are about 60mb per voice, rather than the full voice which is around 300mb per voice. 

Josh


Re: NVDA and "Skip Ad" button on youtube

Gene
 

There are ads that can be skipped and ads that can't.  You only see the button when you can skip the ad.  It isn't displayed otherwise. 
 
The person reporting the problem sees the button on ads that can be skipped but the text that says skip ads isn't read.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Arlene
Sent: Friday, August 02, 2019 6:55 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and "Skip Ad" button on youtube

Sometimes I do see skip add button.  It doesn’t matter what screen reader I use. 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gene
Sent: August 2, 2019 4:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and "Skip Ad" button on youtube

 

I don't think that is the reason for the problem.  the person said he/she, I don't remember who posed the problem, used to find the button.  I can find it but I'm using an old version of NVDA.  It seems to me that the question is how many other people no longer see the button announced as skip ads.  The problem may be on that specific machine or affect only a small number of users, but when someone says that they no longer see text displayed on a button and just hear clickable, that means that the person is still seeing the button and that if the screen-reader were reading text, it would be read. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Arlene

Sent: Friday, August 02, 2019 3:52 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and "Skip Ad" button on youtube

 

I believe they are putting rubbish on the screen.  I don’t go there often.  I go there for songs.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Quentin Christensen
Sent: August 2, 2019 3:50 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and "Skip Ad" button on youtube

 

Maybe YouTube is putting more rubbish on the screen?  I'm not sure, as I say I have a subscription so don't usually get ads.  I could definitely find it when I logged out and played videos, although yes, you have to trudge past a few things to find it.  The best workaround I can suggest is a YouTube premium (or YouTube Music, or whatever they're calling it this week) subscription.

 

 

 

On Fri, Aug 2, 2019 at 7:23 PM Jaffar Sidek <jaffar.sidek10@...> wrote:

Hi.  I am aware of all that, but the "skip ad" button has been relatively harder to detect lately, hence my post.

On 8/1/2019 6:30 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:

I just tried, and I can find the button, pretty much exactly the same ways as in Firefox.

 

Note that YouTube has a few different ways of showing ads.  The ones which have the "Skip ad" button, tend to be ones which play for five seconds or so first (with a count down timer where the Skip Ad button would be) before the Skip Ad button is shown.  If you are quick off the mark, and try to find the button before this point, you may not be able to.

 

The ads in this case are often a couple of minutes long.  YouTube sometimes shows other ads which are 30 seconds or so, and for some of these ads, it doesn't offer a facility to skip the ad, but rather shows a message saying that your video will play (or resume) after the ad.  In that case there is no Skip ad button either.

 

Are you sure the ads you are seeing do in fact have skip ad buttons?

 

I didn't try with NVDA 2019.1.1, but only NVDA 2019.2 rc1, I'm not sure if that makes a difference of the top of my head: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-2rc1-released/

 

I was using Chrome Version 75.0.3770.142 (Official Build) (64-bit) I noticed when I just checked that it decided there was an update, but I don't think this build was that old.

 

Regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Thu, Aug 1, 2019 at 7:31 PM Dejan Ristic <r.dejan83@...> wrote:

Hi,

 

What I've faced so far?

 

If I wish NVDA to recognize the skip ad button, I switch to the focus mode and tab and/or shift tab to find and activate the button, for there are cases when NVDA does not recognize the very button we're talking about when in the browse mode.

 

Dejan

On 01/08/2019 10:23, Jaffar Sidek wrote:

Hi Quentin.  I have been using Chrome for quite a while and so i can't tell you if Chrome is the culprit or not since  the button is still seen by  JFW.  For me at least, NVDA seems to no longer read the button correctly since the early 2019 version, so if it was a chrome or youtube update, won't JFW face the same issue then?  The "Clickable" word to me is not an issue for me right now as I depend upon it to tell me that I am on the "Skip ad" button.  Cheers.

On 8/1/2019 2:19 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:

Hi Jaffar,

 

Can you confirm whether the issue is with newer versions of NVDA, or recent updates to YouTube (or your browser)?

 

Looking at YouTube in FireFox 68.0.1 with NVDA 2019.2rc1, I can see a "Clickable skip ad" button when there is an ad showing.  You can either get to it with tab or b (or shift+tab or shift+b), or you can do an NVDA search for "skip" is usually enough to find it.


For the "clickable" part, if you don't want clickable announced, you can turn that off in NVDA's document settings (NVDA+control+d)

 

I must admit, I have a YouTube subscription so I haven't seen ads in awhile to know if that behaviour has changed lately.

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Thu, Aug 1, 2019 at 3:52 PM Jaffar Sidek <jaffar.sidek10@...> wrote:

Hi.  Not so long ago, with the previous versions, the "Skip ad" button
on youtube could be read by NVDA.  Now however, the newer versions of
NVDA seem to read that particular button just as "Clickable".  It is
rather unfortunate that one has to navigate to the slider which allows
us to skip a video back or forward, then arrow up to the "clickable"
button immediately above the slider to activate it.  The "Skip ad"
button is still recognized by JFW as usual.  Perhaps I am missing
something?  Just letting the NVDA team know.  Cheers!



 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 

NVDA 2019.2 RC 1 now available!

 

 

Virus-free. www.avast.com


 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 

NVDA 2019.2 RC 1 now available!

 


 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 

NVDA 2019.2 RC 1 now available!

 

 

 


Re: NVDA and "Skip Ad" button on youtube

Arlene
 

Sometimes I do see skip add button.  It doesn’t matter what screen reader I use. 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gene
Sent: August 2, 2019 4:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and "Skip Ad" button on youtube

 

I don't think that is the reason for the problem.  the person said he/she, I don't remember who posed the problem, used to find the button.  I can find it but I'm using an old version of NVDA.  It seems to me that the question is how many other people no longer see the button announced as skip ads.  The problem may be on that specific machine or affect only a small number of users, but when someone says that they no longer see text displayed on a button and just hear clickable, that means that the person is still seeing the button and that if the screen-reader were reading text, it would be read. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Arlene

Sent: Friday, August 02, 2019 3:52 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and "Skip Ad" button on youtube

 

I believe they are putting rubbish on the screen.  I don’t go there often.  I go there for songs.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Quentin Christensen
Sent: August 2, 2019 3:50 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and "Skip Ad" button on youtube

 

Maybe YouTube is putting more rubbish on the screen?  I'm not sure, as I say I have a subscription so don't usually get ads.  I could definitely find it when I logged out and played videos, although yes, you have to trudge past a few things to find it.  The best workaround I can suggest is a YouTube premium (or YouTube Music, or whatever they're calling it this week) subscription.

 

 

 

On Fri, Aug 2, 2019 at 7:23 PM Jaffar Sidek <jaffar.sidek10@...> wrote:

Hi.  I am aware of all that, but the "skip ad" button has been relatively harder to detect lately, hence my post.

On 8/1/2019 6:30 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:

I just tried, and I can find the button, pretty much exactly the same ways as in Firefox.

 

Note that YouTube has a few different ways of showing ads.  The ones which have the "Skip ad" button, tend to be ones which play for five seconds or so first (with a count down timer where the Skip Ad button would be) before the Skip Ad button is shown.  If you are quick off the mark, and try to find the button before this point, you may not be able to.

 

The ads in this case are often a couple of minutes long.  YouTube sometimes shows other ads which are 30 seconds or so, and for some of these ads, it doesn't offer a facility to skip the ad, but rather shows a message saying that your video will play (or resume) after the ad.  In that case there is no Skip ad button either.

 

Are you sure the ads you are seeing do in fact have skip ad buttons?

 

I didn't try with NVDA 2019.1.1, but only NVDA 2019.2 rc1, I'm not sure if that makes a difference of the top of my head: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-2rc1-released/

 

I was using Chrome Version 75.0.3770.142 (Official Build) (64-bit) I noticed when I just checked that it decided there was an update, but I don't think this build was that old.

 

Regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Thu, Aug 1, 2019 at 7:31 PM Dejan Ristic <r.dejan83@...> wrote:

Hi,

 

What I've faced so far?

 

If I wish NVDA to recognize the skip ad button, I switch to the focus mode and tab and/or shift tab to find and activate the button, for there are cases when NVDA does not recognize the very button we're talking about when in the browse mode.

 

Dejan

On 01/08/2019 10:23, Jaffar Sidek wrote:

Hi Quentin.  I have been using Chrome for quite a while and so i can't tell you if Chrome is the culprit or not since  the button is still seen by  JFW.  For me at least, NVDA seems to no longer read the button correctly since the early 2019 version, so if it was a chrome or youtube update, won't JFW face the same issue then?  The "Clickable" word to me is not an issue for me right now as I depend upon it to tell me that I am on the "Skip ad" button.  Cheers.

On 8/1/2019 2:19 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:

Hi Jaffar,

 

Can you confirm whether the issue is with newer versions of NVDA, or recent updates to YouTube (or your browser)?

 

Looking at YouTube in FireFox 68.0.1 with NVDA 2019.2rc1, I can see a "Clickable skip ad" button when there is an ad showing.  You can either get to it with tab or b (or shift+tab or shift+b), or you can do an NVDA search for "skip" is usually enough to find it.


For the "clickable" part, if you don't want clickable announced, you can turn that off in NVDA's document settings (NVDA+control+d)

 

I must admit, I have a YouTube subscription so I haven't seen ads in awhile to know if that behaviour has changed lately.

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Thu, Aug 1, 2019 at 3:52 PM Jaffar Sidek <jaffar.sidek10@...> wrote:

Hi.  Not so long ago, with the previous versions, the "Skip ad" button
on youtube could be read by NVDA.  Now however, the newer versions of
NVDA seem to read that particular button just as "Clickable".  It is
rather unfortunate that one has to navigate to the slider which allows
us to skip a video back or forward, then arrow up to the "clickable"
button immediately above the slider to activate it.  The "Skip ad"
button is still recognized by JFW as usual.  Perhaps I am missing
something?  Just letting the NVDA team know.  Cheers!



 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 

NVDA 2019.2 RC 1 now available!

 

 

Virus-free. www.avast.com


 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 

NVDA 2019.2 RC 1 now available!

 


 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 

NVDA 2019.2 RC 1 now available!

 

 

 


Re: NVDA and gold wave

Kerryn Gunness
 


thanks all
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, August 2, 2019 10:13 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and gold wave

With the Goldwave add on running, these are announced automatically. When you set the start and end markers, the time is announced and if you pause playback, the time where the play position is will be announced.
Roger











On 8/1/2019 4:01 PM, Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io wrote:

hi group
 
gold wave and NVDA add ons
 
1. how to get the time in the selection
2. how to get the time where the start marker is at
3. how to get the time where the finish marker is at
4. does it have tutorial with gold wave with NVDA
thanks
 
kerryn