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Re: NVDA Silent Installation

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi Steven


have a look on the following page but jump right down to the bottom called Deployment of NVDA


The link to this page is https://www.nvaccess.org/corporate-government/

There might be some other information if you are running a large network that you might require.


The other parts that you might use are found in this section of the user guide where this option is also.


15. Advanced Topics
 
15.1. Command Line Options


Hope it helps.


Gene nz



On 5/08/2019 11:57 PM, Hicks Steven (CORNWALL IT SERVICES) via Groups.Io wrote:

HIfriends,

 

Is there a way to install NVDA silently?

 



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Re: NVDA And Vista

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi


The latest version of nvda you can use on vista is nvda 2017.3 if i remember right.


Maybe if quentin is emailed he might be able to point you in the right direction for it or some one might have a copy on the list.


Gene nz


On 5/08/2019 10:40 PM, Hicks Steven (CORNWALL IT SERVICES) via Groups.Io wrote:

Thanks so much to everyone for all the help!

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ralf Kefferpuetz
Sent: 05 August 2019 10:02
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA And Vista

 

https://www.nvaccess.org/download/?nvdaVersion=2017.3

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Hicks Steven (CORNWALL IT SERVICES) via Groups.Io
Sent: Montag, 5. August 2019 08:41
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Subject: [nvda] NVDA And Vista

 

Is there a downloadable version of NVDA that works with Vista please?

 



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Re: Sluggish NVDA for Weeks

 

Betsy,
I know so little about Thunderbird that I have no idea what you mean buy message pane and how to access it.
Message pane is something that as far as I know every email client has. It will allow you to see the message without actually opening it, it's kind of hard to explain.
Some people like this feature. I used to like it when I first started using Thunderbird but it quickly turned out to be more of an annoyance than something else, specially because it will mark all messages as read as soon as you land on them, until or unless you disable the pane or configure Thunderbird differently.

Now with the proper introductions in place, it's time to know how to disable it. For this, just press your F8 key.

Sorry for my ignorance.
Hey, don't be so hard on yourself. We are all learners to some degree :)

And after writing all of this I've realised that it's way more about Thunderbird than about NVDA. So if you need more help, contact me privately or better yet, see you on our Thunderbird group! :)

It's worth noticing, also, that another plaace where we can talk about it is the Chat Subgroup, where we discuss anything that's not directly related to NVDA.
If you want to subscribe, send a blank email to chat+subscribe@nvda.groups.io.

Hope this helps :)

Cheers,
Marcio AKA Starboy

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Re: Sluggish NVDA for Weeks

Betsy Grenevitch
 

Marcio, I know so little about Thunderbird that I have no idea what you mean buy message pane and how to access it. Sorry for my ignorance.


Betsy Grenevitch


On 8/5/2019 8:52 AM, Marcio via Groups.Io wrote:
Betsy,
If anyone comes up with a solution please let us know.
Well, not the perfect solution, for sure, but I've found that using Thunderbird with the message pane disabled speds it up considerably.

Hope this helps a bit :)

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Re: Very weird one!

Gene
 

At some point, you evidently installed a program that used some unrestricted DecTalk Voices.
 
There is a SAPI5 version of E-Speak.  How you got the program, I have no idea. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, August 05, 2019 1:05 PM
Subject: [nvda] Very weird one!

I just checked under Microsoft SAPI 5 voices, and I find several odd
ones. I have 2 voices that say eSpeak US Eng one female and one male.
Both sound better than the built in eSpeak that comes with nvda. I also
find several French voices that are from the DecTalk synth. I never
downloaded or installed any of these. Just wondering where they came
from and why I have them on my machine? Are these now part of Windows or
something?  Curious minds want to know.

Thanks

Roger





Very weird one!

Roger Stewart
 

I just checked under Microsoft SAPI 5 voices, and I find several odd ones. I have 2 voices that say eSpeak US Eng one female and one male. Both sound better than the built in eSpeak that comes with nvda. I also find several French voices that are from the DecTalk synth. I never downloaded or installed any of these. Just wondering where they came from and why I have them on my machine? Are these now part of Windows or something?  Curious minds want to know.

Thanks

Roger


Re: Sluggish NVDA for Weeks

Brian Sackrider
 

I have notice that when I am in my thunderbird inbox and I will start to read it will stop talking and I will have to restart my nvda.  After I do this and I alt tab back in to my email it says thunderbird not responding.  I have had this problem for about a week or so.  I am using the rc of nvda2019.2 but it also did it on nvda 2019.1.  I have the addon for the motzellainhancments inable.

Brian Sackrider

On 8/5/2019 8:31 AM, Betsy Grenevitch wrote:
I am having the same issues with NVDA and Thunderbird as well. They just started the past few days. When I am deleting a message it does not happen instantly like it used to but now there are several seconds before it will go on to the next message. If anyone comes up with a solution please let us know. Sometimes it will be fine for a couple of messages and then lag once again.


Betsy Grenevitch


On 8/5/2019 6:53 AM, Vincent Le Goff wrote:
Hi,


I'm afraid I don't experience this problem.  Is this in a specific application?  Mozilla Thunderbird seems to lag from time to time on my computer for instance, going to "not responding" when I arrow up and down the message list or worse, when I write a message.  I don't think this is related to NVDA. Microsoft Word in long documents with NVDA does seem to be slow, but a 5-second pause between each line is something I don't often see.  But if it happens no matter what application is opened, it if happens in the good ol' notepad, that's indeed worrying.  I would first check on the system resources (perhaps you have a hidden app gorging on your CPU or memory).


Using the same version of NVDA on Windows 10 (64-bit) here.


Vincent

On 8/5/2019 12:40 PM, Rich DeSteno wrote:
I have been using NVDA just about since the beginning.  Over the last month or two, I have found it to be very sluggish.  This is particularly noticeable when arrowing up and down through text. The speech lags way behind the key strokes, sometimes going silent for five seconds or so. Needless to say, this is extremely annoying at times.  Is this a problem anyone else has noticed, or is it specific to my two systems?  I am using NVDA Version 2019.1.1 on Windows 10 and Windows 7 computers, with the problem present on both.


Re: CodeFactory eloquence and vocalizer licenses

 

Don,
If you purchase the Sapi5 voices why purchase the NVDA addon?
Well, Josh explained it on this very same thread :)
And, thanks to this explanation, now I know the real difference between the sapi voice and the add-on for it.

Josh wrote:
So, why did I personally decide to spend $184 on both the sapi5 and the addon you may ask? I spent the $184 so the sapi5 voices could stay permanently on my computer, but if I ever want to take NVDA with me to someone else's computer I can choose to do that just by making a portable copy of NVDA and putting it onto a flash drive with the codeFactory addon, while leaving my sapi5 voices behind. It is far easier to quickly run and register an addon rather than installing and uninstalling sapi5 voices on each computer I may go to. so the sapi5  voices remain stationary on my machine and my machine only. while the addon can come with me on a flash drive if I wish, use it on another machine then deactivate its license when I am done using it, like at a library.

Cheers,
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Re: how can i set nvda that does not wrapp long hyperlinks?

 

Well, indeed this line, for example, is being presented as two lines:
Notepad++ Installer 32-bit x86: Take this one if you have no idea which one you should take. GPG Signature
But that's about it. Actually, what is on the second line is more of the description than something about the link itself. So on the other hand, it's not that big of a deal at all.

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Re: DECTalk speech

Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@...>
 

I think he is referring to the sapi5 decTalk on the flameOfHope website in the decTalk_reader1.iso file that you can extract and install using 7zip which you can easily get from www.ninite.com ... 7zip is on the ninite website. But I am not sure of the legality of that sapi5 decTalk, though. 


Re: code factory voices addon

Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@...>
 

after you make any changes to your sapi5 vocalizer, close or shut off NVDA or k1000 or whatever sapi5 program you are using, then start it back up again. then choose sapi5 in the synthesizer dialog, then go to the voices dialog and you should upon arrowing through the combo box see your new voice or voices you chose to install. 

Josh


Re: CodeFactory eloquence and vocalizer licenses

Don H
 

If you purchase the Sapi5 voices why purchase the NVDA addon?

On 8/5/2019 12:30 PM, Josh Kennedy wrote:
I paid $153 united states dollars for sapi5 vocalizer, plus sapi5 eloquence, plus eloquence vocalizer codeFactory NVDA addon.
Josh


Re: CodeFactory eloquence and vocalizer licenses

Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@...>
 

hi orlando, 
no the bluetooth keyboard did not arrive in the mail yet. but when it does I will give my review of how it works with NVDA. I also had to change some NVDA keyboard commands because this tablet keyboard is so cheap some default laptop commands do not work. 


Re: CodeFactory eloquence and vocalizer licenses

Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@...>
 

I paid $153 united states dollars for sapi5 vocalizer, plus sapi5 eloquence, plus eloquence vocalizer codeFactory NVDA addon. 

Josh


Re: how can i set nvda that does not wrapp long hyperlinks?

 

I have zero problems with any link on this page.  I'm using NVDA 2019.1.1 under Windows 10 Pro, 64-bit, Version 1903, Build 18362.   The home page is actually https://notepad-plus-plus.org/, while the download page is https://notepad-plus-plus.org/download/v7.7.1.html
(it barfs if one includes www as part of the URL).

I suspect one of the problems here is that the version of NVDA itself is ancient and unsupported.  Zahra has repeatedly stated she's using Windows XP and will not budge from it.  That brings in a huge number of problems directly related to both the operating system and the aged software that will still run under it.0q

Any version of NVDA that runs under Windows XP is likely to have a number of issues patched in later releases.
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Re: how can i set nvda that does not wrapp long hyperlinks?

 

Zahra,
for example:
https://www.notepad-plus-plus.org
open download link and find the links that i mentioned in my previous email.
It may be just me, as Gene apparently managed to access this link. But whenever I try to access it I get an error in return. Is there another page like this one?

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Re: how can i set nvda that does not wrapp long hyperlinks?

Gene
 

I went to the home page and then I followed the download link.  I found a link that says download on one line, then on the next line is a separate link giving the version.  I know they are separate links because one says visited and the other doesn't.  I very much doubt that NVDA is reporting links incorrectly.  I see links on a page like The New York Times Home page that are perhaps ten or more words long. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: zahra
Sent: Monday, August 05, 2019 12:01 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] how can i set nvda that does not wrapp long hyperlinks?

for example:
https://www.notepad-plus-plus.org
open download link and find the links that i mentioned in my previous email.

On 8/5/19, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> It makes me wonder if there is code on the page that breaks the link into
> two lines.  JAWS may ignore the code and NVDA may not.  If you send us the
> address of a page where you find such a link, we can look at it.  There may
> well be no problem, just a difference in presentation.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: zahra
> Sent: Monday, August 05, 2019 11:15 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] how can i set nvda that does not wrapp long hyperlinks?
>
>
> hi marcio and nimer.
> i unchecked
> Use screen layout (when supported)
> in the first day that i used nvda!
> but it does not work for long links.
> nvda shares long links in multiple lines.
> i changed
> Maximum number of characters on one line 200
> but did not change this problem.
>
> On 8/5/19, Nimer Jaber <nimerjaber1@...> wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> In the Browse mode settings of NVDA, you have an option that states "use
>> screen layout when supported". This option allows you to choose to have
>> one
>> link on one line, or multiple links on one line potentially. Use screen
>> layout when supported allows you to access a page the way that it is
>> displayed visually on screen. In addition, in the Browse mode settings,
>> you
>> can change how many characters are displayed on one line. The default I
>> believe is 100.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 5, 2019 at 9:00 AM zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
>>
>>> hello every one.
>>> one of the advantages of jaws over nvda is not wrapping hyperlinks.
>>> when i navigate by arrow keys, nvda shows links in two, even sometimes
>>> three or four lines!
>>> how can i change this behaviour that nvda shows all longs hyperlinks
>>> in only one line?
>>> hear you are an example.
>>>
>>> Notepad++ Download
>>> Notepad++ Installer 32-bit x86: Take this one if you have no idea
>>> which one you should take.
>>>
>>> --
>>> By God,
>>> were I given all the seven heavens
>>> with all they contain
>>> in order that
>>> I may disobey God
>>> by depriving an ant
>>> from the husk of a grain of barley,
>>> I would not do it.
>>> imam ali
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Best,
>>
>> Nimer Jaber
>>
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I would not do it.
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Re: how can i set nvda that does not wrapp long hyperlinks?

 

for example:
https://www.notepad-plus-plus.org
open download link and find the links that i mentioned in my previous email.

On 8/5/19, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
It makes me wonder if there is code on the page that breaks the link into
two lines. JAWS may ignore the code and NVDA may not. If you send us the
address of a page where you find such a link, we can look at it. There may
well be no problem, just a difference in presentation.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: zahra
Sent: Monday, August 05, 2019 11:15 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] how can i set nvda that does not wrapp long hyperlinks?


hi marcio and nimer.
i unchecked
Use screen layout (when supported)
in the first day that i used nvda!
but it does not work for long links.
nvda shares long links in multiple lines.
i changed
Maximum number of characters on one line 200
but did not change this problem.

On 8/5/19, Nimer Jaber <nimerjaber1@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello,

In the Browse mode settings of NVDA, you have an option that states "use
screen layout when supported". This option allows you to choose to have
one
link on one line, or multiple links on one line potentially. Use screen
layout when supported allows you to access a page the way that it is
displayed visually on screen. In addition, in the Browse mode settings,
you
can change how many characters are displayed on one line. The default I
believe is 100.

Thanks.

On Mon, Aug 5, 2019 at 9:00 AM zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com> wrote:

hello every one.
one of the advantages of jaws over nvda is not wrapping hyperlinks.
when i navigate by arrow keys, nvda shows links in two, even sometimes
three or four lines!
how can i change this behaviour that nvda shows all longs hyperlinks
in only one line?
hear you are an example.

Notepad++ Download
Notepad++ Installer 32-bit x86: Take this one if you have no idea
which one you should take.

--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali



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and above, please click here:
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were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali





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By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


Re: how can i set nvda that does not wrapp long hyperlinks?

Gene
 

It makes me wonder if there is code on the page that breaks the link into two lines.  JAWS may ignore the code and NVDA may not.  If you send us the address of a page where you find such a link, we can look at it.  There may well be no problem, just a difference in presentation.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: zahra
Sent: Monday, August 05, 2019 11:15 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] how can i set nvda that does not wrapp long hyperlinks?

hi marcio and nimer.
i unchecked
Use screen layout (when supported)
in the first day that i used nvda!
but it does not work for long links.
nvda shares long links in multiple lines.
i changed
Maximum number of characters on one line 200
but did not change this problem.

On 8/5/19, Nimer Jaber <nimerjaber1@...> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> In the Browse mode settings of NVDA, you have an option that states "use
> screen layout when supported". This option allows you to choose to have one
> link on one line, or multiple links on one line potentially. Use screen
> layout when supported allows you to access a page the way that it is
> displayed visually on screen. In addition, in the Browse mode settings, you
> can change how many characters are displayed on one line. The default I
> believe is 100.
>
> Thanks.
>
> On Mon, Aug 5, 2019 at 9:00 AM zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
>
>> hello every one.
>> one of the advantages of jaws over nvda is not wrapping hyperlinks.
>> when i navigate by arrow keys, nvda shows links in two, even sometimes
>> three or four lines!
>> how can i change this behaviour that nvda shows all longs hyperlinks
>> in only one line?
>> hear you are an example.
>>
>> Notepad++ Download
>> Notepad++ Installer 32-bit x86: Take this one if you have no idea
>> which one you should take.
>>
>> --
>> By God,
>> were I given all the seven heavens
>> with all they contain
>> in order that
>> I may disobey God
>> by depriving an ant
>> from the husk of a grain of barley,
>> I would not do it.
>> imam ali
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> Best,
>
> Nimer Jaber
>
> The message above is intended for the recipient to whom it was
> addressed. If you believe that you are not the intended recipient,
> please notify me via reply email and destroy all copies of this
> correspondence. Action taken as a result of this email or its contents
> by anyone other than the intended recipient(s) may result in civil or
> criminal charges. I have checked this email and all corresponding
> attachments for security threats. However, security of your machine is
> up to you. Thanks.
>
> Registered Linux User 529141.
> http://counter.li.org/
>
> To find out about a free and versatile screen reader for windows XP
> and above, please click here:
> http://www.nvda-project.org
>
> You can follow @nimerjaber on Twitter for the latest technology news.
>
> To contact me, you can reply to this email or you may call me at (970)
> (393-4481) and I will do my best to respond to you promptly. Thank
> you, and have a great day!
>
>
>
>


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By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali



Re: how can i set nvda that does not wrapp long hyperlinks?

 

hi marcio and nimer.
i unchecked
Use screen layout (when supported)
in the first day that i used nvda!
but it does not work for long links.
nvda shares long links in multiple lines.
i changed
Maximum number of characters on one line 200
but did not change this problem.

On 8/5/19, Nimer Jaber <nimerjaber1@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello,

In the Browse mode settings of NVDA, you have an option that states "use
screen layout when supported". This option allows you to choose to have one
link on one line, or multiple links on one line potentially. Use screen
layout when supported allows you to access a page the way that it is
displayed visually on screen. In addition, in the Browse mode settings, you
can change how many characters are displayed on one line. The default I
believe is 100.

Thanks.

On Mon, Aug 5, 2019 at 9:00 AM zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com> wrote:

hello every one.
one of the advantages of jaws over nvda is not wrapping hyperlinks.
when i navigate by arrow keys, nvda shows links in two, even sometimes
three or four lines!
how can i change this behaviour that nvda shows all longs hyperlinks
in only one line?
hear you are an example.

Notepad++ Download
Notepad++ Installer 32-bit x86: Take this one if you have no idea
which one you should take.

--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali



--
Best,

Nimer Jaber

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By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali