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Re: JAWS extend select mode in NVDA?

Jackie
 

That is not a Jaws function. Rather, it's a function of the editor
you're working in. So, if you have Word, for example, it works there.
You'll need to check w/other programs to see if they have such
functionality. Marcio, what you're talking about is NVDA's screen
review function. It only works in that particular mode.

On 8/11/19, Marcio via Groups.Io <marcinhorj21=yahoo.com.br@groups.io> wrote:
Akshaya,
Is there something similar to JAWS's extend select mode in NVDA? In
JAWS one can press F8 to start extended selection, and then can select
text without using the shift key.
Hmmm, not sure, but I'd think that it can be done using NVDA+F9 to mark
the beginning of the selection and NVDA+F10 twice quickly, one to mark
the end and the other to copy what you've selected.

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Re: A Possible Bug with NVDA Find Function

 

Marcio,

            I'm going to stick with Gmail as my example.  It would be helpful, if it's happening on a site that does not require login, if you would give the URL where you're having problems.

            If I am in the Gmail inbox, if I fire up NVDA Find, the announcement from NVDA is, "Find dialog, type in text you wish to find," while if I fire up the browser find NVDA says, "Find in page inbox, " followed by more verbiage.   If I'm in the Sent box, then substitute "sent" for "inbox."   The announcement for the NVDA find is invariant.

            As far as I can tell, and this is what I'd expect, the NVDA find is looking for the text you give it, with or without case sensitivity depending on your checkbox state, on the page being displayed in the browser.   The same is true of the web browser search itself.   The same is not true if you use the Search Mail box that's part of the Gmail page, which will search all e-mail messages in sender, subject, and message bodies for each message.

             Without literally seeing what's happening, or having some way to know definitively what you're doing via other means, I can't say much more.

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Re: JAWS extend select mode in NVDA?

 

Akshaya,
Is there something similar to JAWS's extend select mode in NVDA? In JAWS one can press F8 to start extended selection, and then can select text without using the shift key.
Hmmm, not sure, but I'd think that it can be done using NVDA+F9 to mark the beginning of the selection and NVDA+F10 twice quickly, one to mark the end and the other to copy what you've selected.

Cheers,
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JAWS extend select mode in NVDA?

Akshaya Choudhary
 

Is there something similar to JAWS's extend select mode in NVDA? In JAWS one can press F8 to start extended selection, and then can select text without using the shift key. This is especially useful with selecting sentences in word, which is otherwise not directly possible with NVDA. 
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Re: A Possible Bug with NVDA Find Function

 

Gene,
Did you start this thread because you had different behavior in the same contexts with earlier versions of NVDA?
I don't know, as in earlier versions of NVDA i wasn't used to use this function.
All I know is that now, with NVDA 2019.1, I'm getting this behavior.

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Re: Windows 10 and Eudora mail

Salvador Domenech Miguel
 

Hi, Jeff and list:

 

Maybe using the F11 shorcut for use the all screen mode? Perhabs it could work. I don't know, I thaught that Eudora was discontinued for some years. I'm using now Thunderbird. I don't like it a lot, but there are some alternatives like Outlook, Windows 10 Mail client, Firefox or web client. Try and choose the best, really all are more or less similar, has the same way of use, shortcuts etc.

Cheers,

Salva.

 

Salva Domenech
Comunicación, realización y soporte a usuarios
Equipo de NVDA en español

Re: Issues when using NVDA with comments in MS Word

Salvador Domenech Miguel
 

Hello. I have the same isues. I'm using the last version of Office 365.

Salva Domenech
Comunicación, realización y soporte a usuarios
Equipo de NVDA en español

Re: Windows 10 and Eudora mail

David Griffith
 

I have experienced no difficulty  or restrictions in adding contacts at all. What is the problem you are experiencing?

If I have an idea where you are stuck I might be able to help more.

You can actually use the People app as well to add contacts manually that Mail can also access.

You do appear to need to assign contacts to each account though which is a little irksome.

David Griffith

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Ryan Mann
Sent: 11 August 2019 19:25
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 and Eudora mail

 

Can you add contacts other than people who use live or Outlook email address is? A couple times I tried to add a contact and it seemed like you could only add those particular addresses.


On Aug 11, 2019, at 1:10 PM, David Griffith <daj.griffith@...> wrote:

People either seem to love it or hate it but the Windows 10 Mail app in my view works well.

It does not have bells or whistles but is normally a breeze to set up and on my system works very snappily. I really like the Preview feature with NVDA reading out enough of most mails for me to decide whether I need to read fully or just delete.

Press enter to read an email and escape to exit it.

Left and right arrows open and close threads in the inbox. Threads automatically open as you cursor down through the inbox.

 

There are 2 quirky anomalies which you need to get used to.

Firstly when replying to messages you need to press alt twice quickly to force NVDA to focus into the edit area to type your message.

The second is that as Mail loads new messages it sometimes shifts focus away from the inbox list of messages to the navigation bar.

If this happens you need to shit tab to focus again on the message list.

I have got so used to this it is part of my muscle memory now and is not really an issue though some may find it annoying.

If you are at all familiar with versions of Outlook a lot of keystroke shortcuts are familiar.

For example, Control enter to send a mail, control Y to open up a list of all your email accounts and folders. F9 to force a check for new mail, control R for reply and so on and so on. F7 does a spell check as in Outlook but here this unusually works on a single word at a time so you will need to press F7 repeatedly to navigate to each spelling error in a message.

I use Outlook as well but Windows Mail is definitely my preferred client for rapid handling of large numbers of emails.

 

David Griffith

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Jeff Samco
Sent: 11 August 2019 15:28
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Windows 10 and Eudora mail

 

I have just switched from a Windows 7 to a Windows 10 computer. In 7 Eudora mail worked fine. In Windows 10 I am having trouble when arrowing up and down any mailboxes such as the In box, etc. Now, I get any particular entry spoken as a portion of one email's sender & subject  and a portion of another email's sender and subject. And, generally neither is associated with the actual email if I were to open it. I have maximized main windows and child windows with no difference. Anyone have a suggestion?

Or, perhaps it is time to move on to another email client. I like Eudora for the simplicity of using keyboard commands for sorting mailboxes in various ways. Thanks for any suggestions about email clients, too.

Jeff

 

 

Re: Windows 10 and Eudora mail

Ryan Mann
 

Can you add contacts other than people who use live or Outlook email address is? A couple times I tried to add a contact and it seemed like you could only add those particular addresses.


On Aug 11, 2019, at 1:10 PM, David Griffith <daj.griffith@...> wrote:

People either seem to love it or hate it but the Windows 10 Mail app in my view works well.

It does not have bells or whistles but is normally a breeze to set up and on my system works very snappily. I really like the Preview feature with NVDA reading out enough of most mails for me to decide whether I need to read fully or just delete.

Press enter to read an email and escape to exit it.

Left and right arrows open and close threads in the inbox. Threads automatically open as you cursor down through the inbox.

 

There are 2 quirky anomalies which you need to get used to.

Firstly when replying to messages you need to press alt twice quickly to force NVDA to focus into the edit area to type your message.

The second is that as Mail loads new messages it sometimes shifts focus away from the inbox list of messages to the navigation bar.

If this happens you need to shit tab to focus again on the message list.

I have got so used to this it is part of my muscle memory now and is not really an issue though some may find it annoying.

If you are at all familiar with versions of Outlook a lot of keystroke shortcuts are familiar.

For example, Control enter to send a mail, control Y to open up a list of all your email accounts and folders. F9 to force a check for new mail, control R for reply and so on and so on. F7 does a spell check as in Outlook but here this unusually works on a single word at a time so you will need to press F7 repeatedly to navigate to each spelling error in a message.

I use Outlook as well but Windows Mail is definitely my preferred client for rapid handling of large numbers of emails.

 

David Griffith

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Jeff Samco
Sent: 11 August 2019 15:28
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Windows 10 and Eudora mail

 

I have just switched from a Windows 7 to a Windows 10 computer. In 7 Eudora mail worked fine. In Windows 10 I am having trouble when arrowing up and down any mailboxes such as the In box, etc. Now, I get any particular entry spoken as a portion of one email's sender & subject  and a portion of another email's sender and subject. And, generally neither is associated with the actual email if I were to open it. I have maximized main windows and child windows with no difference. Anyone have a suggestion?

Or, perhaps it is time to move on to another email client. I like Eudora for the simplicity of using keyboard commands for sorting mailboxes in various ways. Thanks for any suggestions about email clients, too.

Jeff

 

Re: A Possible Bug with NVDA Find Function

Gene
 

When searching an opened message, if you are reading e-mail as HTML, you will be in browse mode and the same search commands apply as when on the Internet.  I don't know if any e-mail programs cause you to be in browse mode when you read mail as plain text.  Windows Live Mail doesn't. 
 
Did you start this thread because you had different behavior in the same contexts with earlier versions of NVDA?  If so, that would indicate a change.  If you are using a different context now, we need to know just what you are comparing with what.
 
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Subject: Re: [nvda] A Possible Bug with NVDA Find Function

Brian,
Are you positive it's the NVDA search you're getting there?
Well, to be honest, no, I'm not sure. How can I make sure that's the case?

And, in case it's not, any way to force NVDA to "take control" of this thing? :)

Cheers,
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Re: A Possible Bug with NVDA Find Function

 

Brian,
Are you positive it's the NVDA search you're getting there?
Well, to be honest, no, I'm not sure. How can I make sure that's the case?

And, in case it's not, any way to force NVDA to "take control" of this thing? :)

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Re: Windows 10 and Eudora mail

David Griffith
 

People either seem to love it or hate it but the Windows 10 Mail app in my view works well.

It does not have bells or whistles but is normally a breeze to set up and on my system works very snappily. I really like the Preview feature with NVDA reading out enough of most mails for me to decide whether I need to read fully or just delete.

Press enter to read an email and escape to exit it.

Left and right arrows open and close threads in the inbox. Threads automatically open as you cursor down through the inbox.

 

There are 2 quirky anomalies which you need to get used to.

Firstly when replying to messages you need to press alt twice quickly to force NVDA to focus into the edit area to type your message.

The second is that as Mail loads new messages it sometimes shifts focus away from the inbox list of messages to the navigation bar.

If this happens you need to shit tab to focus again on the message list.

I have got so used to this it is part of my muscle memory now and is not really an issue though some may find it annoying.

If you are at all familiar with versions of Outlook a lot of keystroke shortcuts are familiar.

For example, Control enter to send a mail, control Y to open up a list of all your email accounts and folders. F9 to force a check for new mail, control R for reply and so on and so on. F7 does a spell check as in Outlook but here this unusually works on a single word at a time so you will need to press F7 repeatedly to navigate to each spelling error in a message.

I use Outlook as well but Windows Mail is definitely my preferred client for rapid handling of large numbers of emails.

 

David Griffith

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Jeff Samco
Sent: 11 August 2019 15:28
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Windows 10 and Eudora mail

 

I have just switched from a Windows 7 to a Windows 10 computer. In 7 Eudora mail worked fine. In Windows 10 I am having trouble when arrowing up and down any mailboxes such as the In box, etc. Now, I get any particular entry spoken as a portion of one email's sender & subject  and a portion of another email's sender and subject. And, generally neither is associated with the actual email if I were to open it. I have maximized main windows and child windows with no difference. Anyone have a suggestion?

Or, perhaps it is time to move on to another email client. I like Eudora for the simplicity of using keyboard commands for sorting mailboxes in various ways. Thanks for any suggestions about email clients, too.

Jeff

 

question about labelers

Scott Berry
 

Does NVDA have a graphics labeler or a labeler of which can be used on the web sort of like JAWS?



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Re: A Possible Bug with NVDA Find Function

 

Are you positive it's the NVDA search you're getting there?

On the Gmail webpage, if I hit NVDA+Ctrl+F I do get the NVDA search, and it finds what is shown on the page itself (as in if the word is either in the sender's name or the subject of the message) but it does not search the content of the messages themselves (or at least doesn't appear to, which is what I'd expect).   If I hit F3 after an NVDA Find, what comes up is the regular "Gmail find," which is different in behavior even from a typical webpage find as it searches not only what you can see on the screen but the content of the messages themselves.

There could be some sort of "mixed search mechanisms" situation going on here.

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Windows 10 and Eudora mail

Jeff Samco
 

I have just switched from a Windows 7 to a Windows 10 computer. In 7 Eudora mail worked fine. In Windows 10 I am having trouble when arrowing up and down any mailboxes such as the In box, etc. Now, I get any particular entry spoken as a portion of one email's sender & subject  and a portion of another email's sender and subject. And, generally neither is associated with the actual email if I were to open it. I have maximized main windows and child windows with no difference. Anyone have a suggestion?

Or, perhaps it is time to move on to another email client. I like Eudora for the simplicity of using keyboard commands for sorting mailboxes in various ways. Thanks for any suggestions about email clients, too.

Jeff

Re: Signatures in Windows 10 mail app

Inam Uddin
 

Everyone is talking about mail app’s signature here and there, but nobody is reporting to the concern authority which is Microsoft disability answer desk because they do not accept that this is accessibility related issue.

They always say that this is our windows problem.

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At the end you ignore Her everything  and click I agree button.

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From: Andy B.
Sent: Friday, August 9, 2019 6:15 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Signatures in Windows 10 mail app

 

Hi,

 

I am trying to set up email signatures in the Windows 10 mail app. Unfortunately, when I go to settings>signatures and try to put focus on what looks to be an edit field, NVDA doesn’t read anything. In fact, it appears to get stuck after tabbing through the formatting toolbar. So, how would I create my email signatures?

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 

Control Usage Assistant: coming back to life, version 2.5/nightlight version is on its way #addonrelease

 

Hi everyone,

 

For users of Control Usage Assistant: reports of its demise has greatly been exaggerated…

 

I’m delighted to announce that Control Usage Assistant is being resurrected i.e. supported again. This add-on added a command (NVDA+H) that gives you a handy help message for working with the focused control, similar to help messages from other screen readers.

 

Originally, Derek Riemer, a member of the NVDA community, was planning to maintain this add-on. After a short Twitter conversation, it was decided that I’ll maintain it after all. Thus, the “end of life” (EOL) tag is gone.

 

Speaking of resurrecting this add-on several big announcements:

 

  • Version 2.5/nightlight: as promised a few days ago, version 2.5 of Control Usage Assistant, or version nightlight, will be made available in the next hour or so. This one is huge in that it introduces a rewritten readme and makes the add-on Python 3 ready.
  • New add-on source code repository: with the add-on coming back to life, I figured it is time to give it a new home. For anyone wishing to look at source code for this add-on can now do so by going to t. Consequently, the next big update after version 2.5/nightlight will be downloadable from GitHub.
  • Speaking of a big update: yes, it is coming (likely later this year). Tentatively known as Control usage Assistant generation 3 (or NG/next generation), this version will not only change the versioning scheme to match the rest of my add-ons (year.month.revision), it’ll bring a completely new way of reviewing help information. Previously when you pressed NVDA+H, help messages were spoken and/or brailled on the spot. Starting with the next update, it’ll become a browse mode window, mirroring help message screens from other screen readers.

 

Other key features of the big update:

 

  • Add-on name: to be shortened to just “Control Usage Assistant”.
  • More contextual: not only the help message based on the type of the control will be shown, a more comprehensive and contextual help message will be provided. This may include not only working with specific types of controls, it may include help coming from other add-ons, app help messages, and perhaps more. In other words, the way the help message is obtained will be reborn from scratch.
  • Extensible (perhaps coming later): authors of add-ons will be able to supplement help messages for specific controls and/or apps. For example, an author of an app module can ask Control Usage Assistant to present a specific help message for an overlay control seen in an app.
  • Requires NVDA 2019 series, most likely upcoming 2019.3 (later this year).

 

For those keeping an eye on GitHub issues: for a number of years you may have seen a request for context-sensitive help for NVDA. The issue in question is 2699 and can be found at:

https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/2699

 

In fact, development of Control Usage Assistant began shortly after that issue appeared. In other words, what you will see with the next big update is really a prototype for a feature that might be included in a future NVDA release (and yes, I know I start to sound very repetitive, but there is a pull request for this feature somewhere that will look similar to Control Usage Assistant generation 3).

 

I’m sure you’d like to test the next big update. I plan to release a prototype development snapshot of that release in a few weeks, which will require NVDA 2019.1 or later.

 

Tanks.

Cheers,

Joseph

Re: A Possible Bug with NVDA Find Function

 

Luke,
What browser, site, and search text are you using?
I'm using Firefox. I've tried to search through my emails using the web interface.
I was searching for a name, and typing it with lowercase letters yield no results at all. When I tried searching for it with the first letter being an uppercase I found what I was searching for.
Apparently though this isn't a generalized situation and that's good. Now I only need to find out what's going on here.

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Re: A Possible Bug with NVDA Find Function

Luke Davis
 

On Sat, 10 Aug 2019, Marcio via Groups.Io wrote:

Well, so far we're on the same page. I just tested with my message and my results are the same as yours.
Could you try it on a webpage?
Using Firefox, I went to https://addons.nvda-project.org
Using NVDA find (NVDA+control+f), I searched for "nvda", with case sensitivity. I found only one. Pressing NVDA+F3 after the first one, gets me a ding, and no more results message.
Unchecking case sensitivity, gets me many more results.

I tested in NVDA 2019.1.1, and latest beta of 2019.2.

What browser, site, and search text are you using?

Luke

Re: A Possible Bug with NVDA Find Function

Luke Davis
 

Can you describe your situation a little more?

What program are you trying to search?
Are you using control+f, or control+NVDA+f?

On Sat, 10 Aug 2019, Marcio via Groups.Io wrote:

Hi,
Apparently, even though with the checkbox about upper and lowercase letters unchecked, NVDA is behaving the same way as though it's checked.
Can someone confirm this?
NVDA 2019.1
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