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Re: JAWS extend select mode in NVDA?

 

Hi,

No, what this person wants to know is if NVDA will detect selections if F8 is pressed from Word, moves around, and tries to see if there is text selection, and the answer is “sort of”.

The command this person is referring to is not a JAWS command – as Jackie pointed out, I can confirm that this is a Word specific command.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2019 3:29 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] JAWS extend select mode in NVDA?

 

But what is wanted is to move by sentence.  I have a vague recollection that there is an add-on that allows movement by sentence and you might be able to select in that way but others will have to say if my memory is correct.

 

Gene

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Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2019 2:34 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] JAWS extend select mode in NVDA?

 

Akshaya,

Is there something similar to JAWS's extend select mode in NVDA? In JAWS one can press F8 to start extended selection, and then can select text without using the shift key.

Hmmm, not sure, but I'd think that it can be done using NVDA+F9 to mark the beginning of the selection and NVDA+F10 twice quickly, one to mark the end and the other to copy what you've selected.

Cheers,
Marcio

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Re: JAWS extend select mode in NVDA?

Gene
 

But what is wanted is to move by sentence.  I have a vague recollection that there is an add-on that allows movement by sentence and you might be able to select in that way but others will have to say if my memory is correct.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2019 2:34 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] JAWS extend select mode in NVDA?

Akshaya,
Is there something similar to JAWS's extend select mode in NVDA? In JAWS one can press F8 to start extended selection, and then can select text without using the shift key.
Hmmm, not sure, but I'd think that it can be done using NVDA+F9 to mark the beginning of the selection and NVDA+F10 twice quickly, one to mark the end and the other to copy what you've selected.

Cheers,
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Re: Windows 10 and Eudora mail

Arlene
 

I’m using windows tem mail app with gmail.  I have no problems with it.  What I do miss is this. In the xp days when I used outlook express. I used to be able to embed music in the e-mail.  Someone showed me once howto do it.  I only did it once but forgot how to do it.  I wished I can do it using the win ten mail app.  Oh well. Those days are gone.  I never knew how to do it using outlook ten. When I used win 7. 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: David Griffith
Sent: August 11, 2019 10:10 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 and Eudora mail

 

People either seem to love it or hate it but the Windows 10 Mail app in my view works well.

It does not have bells or whistles but is normally a breeze to set up and on my system works very snappily. I really like the Preview feature with NVDA reading out enough of most mails for me to decide whether I need to read fully or just delete.

Press enter to read an email and escape to exit it.

Left and right arrows open and close threads in the inbox. Threads automatically open as you cursor down through the inbox.

 

There are 2 quirky anomalies which you need to get used to.

Firstly when replying to messages you need to press alt twice quickly to force NVDA to focus into the edit area to type your message.

The second is that as Mail loads new messages it sometimes shifts focus away from the inbox list of messages to the navigation bar.

If this happens you need to shit tab to focus again on the message list.

I have got so used to this it is part of my muscle memory now and is not really an issue though some may find it annoying.

If you are at all familiar with versions of Outlook a lot of keystroke shortcuts are familiar.

For example, Control enter to send a mail, control Y to open up a list of all your email accounts and folders. F9 to force a check for new mail, control R for reply and so on and so on. F7 does a spell check as in Outlook but here this unusually works on a single word at a time so you will need to press F7 repeatedly to navigate to each spelling error in a message.

I use Outlook as well but Windows Mail is definitely my preferred client for rapid handling of large numbers of emails.

 

David Griffith

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Jeff Samco
Sent: 11 August 2019 15:28
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Windows 10 and Eudora mail

 

I have just switched from a Windows 7 to a Windows 10 computer. In 7 Eudora mail worked fine. In Windows 10 I am having trouble when arrowing up and down any mailboxes such as the In box, etc. Now, I get any particular entry spoken as a portion of one email's sender & subject  and a portion of another email's sender and subject. And, generally neither is associated with the actual email if I were to open it. I have maximized main windows and child windows with no difference. Anyone have a suggestion?

Or, perhaps it is time to move on to another email client. I like Eudora for the simplicity of using keyboard commands for sorting mailboxes in various ways. Thanks for any suggestions about email clients, too.

Jeff

 

 


Re: Windows 10 and Eudora mail

Arlene
 

Oh wow! People still use Eudora?  I’ve never used it. I’ve heard of it. I knew it was useable in the xp days. Not so sure with vista to win ten.  Oh wow.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Lukasz Golonka
Sent: August 11, 2019 2:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 and Eudora mail

 

Hello,

 

On Sun, 11 Aug 2019 07:28:11 -0700

> Or, perhaps it is time to move on to another email client. I like Eudora for the simplicity of using keyboard commands for sorting mailboxes in various ways. Thanks for any suggestions about email clients, too.

 

 

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Re: Windows 10 and Eudora mail

Lukasz Golonka <wulfryk1@...>
 

Hello,

On Sun, 11 Aug 2019 07:28:11 -0700
Or, perhaps it is time to move on to another email client. I like Eudora for the simplicity of using keyboard commands for sorting mailboxes in various ways. Thanks for any suggestions about email clients, too.

If you don't mint paying I cannot recommend Becky Internet Mail enough.
It isn't perfectly accessible, but she is very fast and configurable.

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Re: Issues when using NVDA with comments in MS Word

Abbie Taylor <abbietaylor945@...>
 

I haven't had any experience with comments in Word, but have you, by any chance, checked the box in preferences under document formatting that says "comments?"   
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Re: JAWS extend select mode in NVDA?

Salvador Domenech Miguel
 

Hi.
Yas. You can start the selection pressing NVDA+F9 and end it pressing NVDA+F10. If you press NVDA+F10 twice, the selection will be copied on your clypboard.

Cheers.


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El 11/08/2019 a las 21:31, Akshaya Choudhary escribió:

Is there something similar to JAWS's extend select mode in NVDA? In JAWS one can press F8 to start extended selection, and then can select text without using the shift key. This is especially useful with selecting sentences in word, which is otherwise not directly possible with NVDA. 
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Re: JAWS extend select mode in NVDA?

Jackie
 

That is not a Jaws function. Rather, it's a function of the editor
you're working in. So, if you have Word, for example, it works there.
You'll need to check w/other programs to see if they have such
functionality. Marcio, what you're talking about is NVDA's screen
review function. It only works in that particular mode.

On 8/11/19, Marcio via Groups.Io <marcinhorj21=yahoo.com.br@groups.io> wrote:
Akshaya,
Is there something similar to JAWS's extend select mode in NVDA? In
JAWS one can press F8 to start extended selection, and then can select
text without using the shift key.
Hmmm, not sure, but I'd think that it can be done using NVDA+F9 to mark
the beginning of the selection and NVDA+F10 twice quickly, one to mark
the end and the other to copy what you've selected.

Cheers,
Marcio <https://tinyurl.com/TlkTM>
AKA /Starboy/


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Re: A Possible Bug with NVDA Find Function

 

Marcio,

            I'm going to stick with Gmail as my example.  It would be helpful, if it's happening on a site that does not require login, if you would give the URL where you're having problems.

            If I am in the Gmail inbox, if I fire up NVDA Find, the announcement from NVDA is, "Find dialog, type in text you wish to find," while if I fire up the browser find NVDA says, "Find in page inbox, " followed by more verbiage.   If I'm in the Sent box, then substitute "sent" for "inbox."   The announcement for the NVDA find is invariant.

            As far as I can tell, and this is what I'd expect, the NVDA find is looking for the text you give it, with or without case sensitivity depending on your checkbox state, on the page being displayed in the browser.   The same is true of the web browser search itself.   The same is not true if you use the Search Mail box that's part of the Gmail page, which will search all e-mail messages in sender, subject, and message bodies for each message.

             Without literally seeing what's happening, or having some way to know definitively what you're doing via other means, I can't say much more.

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Re: JAWS extend select mode in NVDA?

 

Akshaya,
Is there something similar to JAWS's extend select mode in NVDA? In JAWS one can press F8 to start extended selection, and then can select text without using the shift key.
Hmmm, not sure, but I'd think that it can be done using NVDA+F9 to mark the beginning of the selection and NVDA+F10 twice quickly, one to mark the end and the other to copy what you've selected.

Cheers,
Marcio AKA Starboy

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JAWS extend select mode in NVDA?

Akshaya Choudhary
 

Is there something similar to JAWS's extend select mode in NVDA? In JAWS one can press F8 to start extended selection, and then can select text without using the shift key. This is especially useful with selecting sentences in word, which is otherwise not directly possible with NVDA. 
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Re: A Possible Bug with NVDA Find Function

 

Gene,
Did you start this thread because you had different behavior in the same contexts with earlier versions of NVDA?
I don't know, as in earlier versions of NVDA i wasn't used to use this function.
All I know is that now, with NVDA 2019.1, I'm getting this behavior.

Cheers,
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Re: Windows 10 and Eudora mail

Salvador Domenech Miguel
 

Hi, Jeff and list:

 

Maybe using the F11 shorcut for use the all screen mode? Perhabs it could work. I don't know, I thaught that Eudora was discontinued for some years. I'm using now Thunderbird. I don't like it a lot, but there are some alternatives like Outlook, Windows 10 Mail client, Firefox or web client. Try and choose the best, really all are more or less similar, has the same way of use, shortcuts etc.

Cheers,

Salva.

 

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Re: Issues when using NVDA with comments in MS Word

Salvador Domenech Miguel
 

Hello. I have the same isues. I'm using the last version of Office 365.

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Re: Windows 10 and Eudora mail

David Griffith
 

I have experienced no difficulty  or restrictions in adding contacts at all. What is the problem you are experiencing?

If I have an idea where you are stuck I might be able to help more.

You can actually use the People app as well to add contacts manually that Mail can also access.

You do appear to need to assign contacts to each account though which is a little irksome.

David Griffith

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Ryan Mann
Sent: 11 August 2019 19:25
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 and Eudora mail

 

Can you add contacts other than people who use live or Outlook email address is? A couple times I tried to add a contact and it seemed like you could only add those particular addresses.


On Aug 11, 2019, at 1:10 PM, David Griffith <daj.griffith@...> wrote:

People either seem to love it or hate it but the Windows 10 Mail app in my view works well.

It does not have bells or whistles but is normally a breeze to set up and on my system works very snappily. I really like the Preview feature with NVDA reading out enough of most mails for me to decide whether I need to read fully or just delete.

Press enter to read an email and escape to exit it.

Left and right arrows open and close threads in the inbox. Threads automatically open as you cursor down through the inbox.

 

There are 2 quirky anomalies which you need to get used to.

Firstly when replying to messages you need to press alt twice quickly to force NVDA to focus into the edit area to type your message.

The second is that as Mail loads new messages it sometimes shifts focus away from the inbox list of messages to the navigation bar.

If this happens you need to shit tab to focus again on the message list.

I have got so used to this it is part of my muscle memory now and is not really an issue though some may find it annoying.

If you are at all familiar with versions of Outlook a lot of keystroke shortcuts are familiar.

For example, Control enter to send a mail, control Y to open up a list of all your email accounts and folders. F9 to force a check for new mail, control R for reply and so on and so on. F7 does a spell check as in Outlook but here this unusually works on a single word at a time so you will need to press F7 repeatedly to navigate to each spelling error in a message.

I use Outlook as well but Windows Mail is definitely my preferred client for rapid handling of large numbers of emails.

 

David Griffith

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Jeff Samco
Sent: 11 August 2019 15:28
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Windows 10 and Eudora mail

 

I have just switched from a Windows 7 to a Windows 10 computer. In 7 Eudora mail worked fine. In Windows 10 I am having trouble when arrowing up and down any mailboxes such as the In box, etc. Now, I get any particular entry spoken as a portion of one email's sender & subject  and a portion of another email's sender and subject. And, generally neither is associated with the actual email if I were to open it. I have maximized main windows and child windows with no difference. Anyone have a suggestion?

Or, perhaps it is time to move on to another email client. I like Eudora for the simplicity of using keyboard commands for sorting mailboxes in various ways. Thanks for any suggestions about email clients, too.

Jeff

 

 


Re: Windows 10 and Eudora mail

Ryan Mann
 

Can you add contacts other than people who use live or Outlook email address is? A couple times I tried to add a contact and it seemed like you could only add those particular addresses.


On Aug 11, 2019, at 1:10 PM, David Griffith <daj.griffith@...> wrote:

People either seem to love it or hate it but the Windows 10 Mail app in my view works well.

It does not have bells or whistles but is normally a breeze to set up and on my system works very snappily. I really like the Preview feature with NVDA reading out enough of most mails for me to decide whether I need to read fully or just delete.

Press enter to read an email and escape to exit it.

Left and right arrows open and close threads in the inbox. Threads automatically open as you cursor down through the inbox.

 

There are 2 quirky anomalies which you need to get used to.

Firstly when replying to messages you need to press alt twice quickly to force NVDA to focus into the edit area to type your message.

The second is that as Mail loads new messages it sometimes shifts focus away from the inbox list of messages to the navigation bar.

If this happens you need to shit tab to focus again on the message list.

I have got so used to this it is part of my muscle memory now and is not really an issue though some may find it annoying.

If you are at all familiar with versions of Outlook a lot of keystroke shortcuts are familiar.

For example, Control enter to send a mail, control Y to open up a list of all your email accounts and folders. F9 to force a check for new mail, control R for reply and so on and so on. F7 does a spell check as in Outlook but here this unusually works on a single word at a time so you will need to press F7 repeatedly to navigate to each spelling error in a message.

I use Outlook as well but Windows Mail is definitely my preferred client for rapid handling of large numbers of emails.

 

David Griffith

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Jeff Samco
Sent: 11 August 2019 15:28
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Windows 10 and Eudora mail

 

I have just switched from a Windows 7 to a Windows 10 computer. In 7 Eudora mail worked fine. In Windows 10 I am having trouble when arrowing up and down any mailboxes such as the In box, etc. Now, I get any particular entry spoken as a portion of one email's sender & subject  and a portion of another email's sender and subject. And, generally neither is associated with the actual email if I were to open it. I have maximized main windows and child windows with no difference. Anyone have a suggestion?

Or, perhaps it is time to move on to another email client. I like Eudora for the simplicity of using keyboard commands for sorting mailboxes in various ways. Thanks for any suggestions about email clients, too.

Jeff

 


Re: A Possible Bug with NVDA Find Function

Gene
 

When searching an opened message, if you are reading e-mail as HTML, you will be in browse mode and the same search commands apply as when on the Internet.  I don't know if any e-mail programs cause you to be in browse mode when you read mail as plain text.  Windows Live Mail doesn't. 
 
Did you start this thread because you had different behavior in the same contexts with earlier versions of NVDA?  If so, that would indicate a change.  If you are using a different context now, we need to know just what you are comparing with what.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2019 12:31 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] A Possible Bug with NVDA Find Function

Brian,
Are you positive it's the NVDA search you're getting there?
Well, to be honest, no, I'm not sure. How can I make sure that's the case?

And, in case it's not, any way to force NVDA to "take control" of this thing? :)

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Re: A Possible Bug with NVDA Find Function

 

Brian,
Are you positive it's the NVDA search you're getting there?
Well, to be honest, no, I'm not sure. How can I make sure that's the case?

And, in case it's not, any way to force NVDA to "take control" of this thing? :)

Cheers,
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Re: Windows 10 and Eudora mail

David Griffith
 

People either seem to love it or hate it but the Windows 10 Mail app in my view works well.

It does not have bells or whistles but is normally a breeze to set up and on my system works very snappily. I really like the Preview feature with NVDA reading out enough of most mails for me to decide whether I need to read fully or just delete.

Press enter to read an email and escape to exit it.

Left and right arrows open and close threads in the inbox. Threads automatically open as you cursor down through the inbox.

 

There are 2 quirky anomalies which you need to get used to.

Firstly when replying to messages you need to press alt twice quickly to force NVDA to focus into the edit area to type your message.

The second is that as Mail loads new messages it sometimes shifts focus away from the inbox list of messages to the navigation bar.

If this happens you need to shit tab to focus again on the message list.

I have got so used to this it is part of my muscle memory now and is not really an issue though some may find it annoying.

If you are at all familiar with versions of Outlook a lot of keystroke shortcuts are familiar.

For example, Control enter to send a mail, control Y to open up a list of all your email accounts and folders. F9 to force a check for new mail, control R for reply and so on and so on. F7 does a spell check as in Outlook but here this unusually works on a single word at a time so you will need to press F7 repeatedly to navigate to each spelling error in a message.

I use Outlook as well but Windows Mail is definitely my preferred client for rapid handling of large numbers of emails.

 

David Griffith

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Jeff Samco
Sent: 11 August 2019 15:28
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Windows 10 and Eudora mail

 

I have just switched from a Windows 7 to a Windows 10 computer. In 7 Eudora mail worked fine. In Windows 10 I am having trouble when arrowing up and down any mailboxes such as the In box, etc. Now, I get any particular entry spoken as a portion of one email's sender & subject  and a portion of another email's sender and subject. And, generally neither is associated with the actual email if I were to open it. I have maximized main windows and child windows with no difference. Anyone have a suggestion?

Or, perhaps it is time to move on to another email client. I like Eudora for the simplicity of using keyboard commands for sorting mailboxes in various ways. Thanks for any suggestions about email clients, too.

Jeff

 


question about labelers

Scott Berry
 

Does NVDA have a graphics labeler or a labeler of which can be used on the web sort of like JAWS?



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