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Re: Windows 10 and Eudora mail

David Griffith
 

I think it is straightforward.

I just went to the people app.

Tab down until I got down to the add new contact button.

I then entered details for for my name and my d.griffith@... email and then simply tabbed to save.

David Griffith

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Ryan Mann
Sent: 11 August 2019 19:25
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 and Eudora mail

 

Can you add contacts other than people who use live or Outlook email address is? A couple times I tried to add a contact and it seemed like you could only add those particular addresses.


On Aug 11, 2019, at 1:10 PM, David Griffith <daj.griffith@...> wrote:

People either seem to love it or hate it but the Windows 10 Mail app in my view works well.

It does not have bells or whistles but is normally a breeze to set up and on my system works very snappily. I really like the Preview feature with NVDA reading out enough of most mails for me to decide whether I need to read fully or just delete.

Press enter to read an email and escape to exit it.

Left and right arrows open and close threads in the inbox. Threads automatically open as you cursor down through the inbox.

 

There are 2 quirky anomalies which you need to get used to.

Firstly when replying to messages you need to press alt twice quickly to force NVDA to focus into the edit area to type your message.

The second is that as Mail loads new messages it sometimes shifts focus away from the inbox list of messages to the navigation bar.

If this happens you need to shit tab to focus again on the message list.

I have got so used to this it is part of my muscle memory now and is not really an issue though some may find it annoying.

If you are at all familiar with versions of Outlook a lot of keystroke shortcuts are familiar.

For example, Control enter to send a mail, control Y to open up a list of all your email accounts and folders. F9 to force a check for new mail, control R for reply and so on and so on. F7 does a spell check as in Outlook but here this unusually works on a single word at a time so you will need to press F7 repeatedly to navigate to each spelling error in a message.

I use Outlook as well but Windows Mail is definitely my preferred client for rapid handling of large numbers of emails.

 

David Griffith

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Jeff Samco
Sent: 11 August 2019 15:28
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Windows 10 and Eudora mail

 

I have just switched from a Windows 7 to a Windows 10 computer. In 7 Eudora mail worked fine. In Windows 10 I am having trouble when arrowing up and down any mailboxes such as the In box, etc. Now, I get any particular entry spoken as a portion of one email's sender & subject  and a portion of another email's sender and subject. And, generally neither is associated with the actual email if I were to open it. I have maximized main windows and child windows with no difference. Anyone have a suggestion?

Or, perhaps it is time to move on to another email client. I like Eudora for the simplicity of using keyboard commands for sorting mailboxes in various ways. Thanks for any suggestions about email clients, too.

Jeff

 

 

Re: Windows 10 mail app reading inconsistently in email composition window

David Griffith
 

 

We may be at cross purposes.

Control Y whilst focussed on the Inbox , just as in Outlook, will allow quick navigation to all your email folders for all the accounts you have.

Simply use the cursor keys to move up and down the folder list and press enter on the folder you want to navigate to.

David Griffith

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Robert Doc Wright godfearer
Sent: 12 August 2019 04:29
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 mail app reading inconsistently in emailcomposition window

 

How does this affect the various folders for each account?

 

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From: David Griffith
Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2019 11:54 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 mail app reading inconsistently in emailcomposition window

 

I have  my email accounts linked into a single inbox but If I want to review mail by accounts I simply press control Y to bring up the folder list and then cursor down to the account I want to review.

David Griffith

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Robert Doc Wright godfearer
Sent: 10 August 2019 08:05
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 mail app reading inconsistently in emailcomposition window

 

I do not know why you are having this problem. I have been using the windows 10 mail app for the last three years. When I open an email I just use the down arrow to read.  What I would prefer is that the messages AKA list of emails were next to all accounts. I have several email accounts and when I am done with one I need to tab five times to change accounts.

 

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From: David Moore
Sent: Friday, August 9, 2019 5:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 mail app reading inconsistently in email composition window

 

hello all! I am so glad that you brought that up about how the Windows mail app is acting. I have had exactly the same problem in the Windows 10 mail app, what I have to do, is use the review cursor reading commands to read the mail message with the review cursor, find where I want to edit, and then press the key command to move the focus to where the review cursor is, and then I can cracked my mistakes. The the review cursor is the only way I can read an email. You are cracked, if I simply use the up and down arrow keys the focus will not say the correct text at all for what is on each line and the message that you are typing in the mail app. Nvda has not worked well in the Windows 10 mail app for a long time when it comes to typing, reading, and doing just about anything with messages. I have to use many round about ways to even use the Windows 10 mail app oh, like I said, I have to read messages with the review cursor. David Moore

 

 

 

 

Re: Windows 10 and Eudora mail

David Griffith
 

Ok yes – I could not do this in earlier versions of Outlook I have used but I have just tried it in the latest Outlook 365 and it indeed does now work.

David Griffith

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gene
Sent: 12 August 2019 01:06
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 and Eudora mail

 

You can do this in Windows Live Mail and, as I recall, in Outlook as well.  I don't know what other programs this may work in.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2019 6:01 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 and Eudora mail

 

I have never embedded music in an email but I do like the simple way of inserting attachments in Windows Mail.

Find whatever music or other file or document you want  to attach and then simply copy and paste it into the body of the windows Mail message and it is neatly attached to the message.

 

David griffith

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Arlene
Sent: 11 August 2019 22:17
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 and Eudora mail

 

I’m using windows tem mail app with gmail.  I have no problems with it.  What I do miss is this. In the xp days when I used outlook express. I used to be able to embed music in the e-mail.  Someone showed me once howto do it.  I only did it once but forgot how to do it.  I wished I can do it using the win ten mail app.  Oh well. Those days are gone.  I never knew how to do it using outlook ten. When I used win 7. 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: David Griffith
Sent: August 11, 2019 10:10 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 and Eudora mail

 

People either seem to love it or hate it but the Windows 10 Mail app in my view works well.

It does not have bells or whistles but is normally a breeze to set up and on my system works very snappily. I really like the Preview feature with NVDA reading out enough of most mails for me to decide whether I need to read fully or just delete.

Press enter to read an email and escape to exit it.

Left and right arrows open and close threads in the inbox. Threads automatically open as you cursor down through the inbox.

 

There are 2 quirky anomalies which you need to get used to.

Firstly when replying to messages you need to press alt twice quickly to force NVDA to focus into the edit area to type your message.

The second is that as Mail loads new messages it sometimes shifts focus away from the inbox list of messages to the navigation bar.

If this happens you need to shit tab to focus again on the message list.

I have got so used to this it is part of my muscle memory now and is not really an issue though some may find it annoying.

If you are at all familiar with versions of Outlook a lot of keystroke shortcuts are familiar.

For example, Control enter to send a mail, control Y to open up a list of all your email accounts and folders. F9 to force a check for new mail, control R for reply and so on and so on. F7 does a spell check as in Outlook but here this unusually works on a single word at a time so you will need to press F7 repeatedly to navigate to each spelling error in a message.

I use Outlook as well but Windows Mail is definitely my preferred client for rapid handling of large numbers of emails.

 

David Griffith

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Jeff Samco
Sent: 11 August 2019 15:28
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Windows 10 and Eudora mail

 

I have just switched from a Windows 7 to a Windows 10 computer. In 7 Eudora mail worked fine. In Windows 10 I am having trouble when arrowing up and down any mailboxes such as the In box, etc. Now, I get any particular entry spoken as a portion of one email's sender & subject  and a portion of another email's sender and subject. And, generally neither is associated with the actual email if I were to open it. I have maximized main windows and child windows with no difference. Anyone have a suggestion?

Or, perhaps it is time to move on to another email client. I like Eudora for the simplicity of using keyboard commands for sorting mailboxes in various ways. Thanks for any suggestions about email clients, too.

Jeff

 

 

 

 

Re: Windows 10 mail app reading inconsistently in email composition window

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 

It worked for me.

 

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From: David Moore
Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2019 11:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 mail app reading inconsistently in email composition window

 

Hi David!

I will press alt twice as you suggested, and hopefully, that will cause the mail app to work better.

David Moore

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Robert Doc Wright godfearer
Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2019 11:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 mail app reading inconsistently in emailcomposition window

 

Similar to you when I have to do a reply I sometimes have to shift tab and tab back then everything is fine. I will try your solution of tapping alt twice.

 

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From: David Griffith
Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2019 11:04 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 mail app reading inconsistently in emailcomposition window

 

I am replying to your message using the latest build of NVDA and windows Mail  on Windows 10 19.03 with full normal reading and typing feedback.

There is a slight anomaly which has existed for some time in that when I first reply to a message and want to type in the edit field I need to press the alt key quickly twice to get proper typing focus.

After that NVDA behave entirely normally and as you would expect.

I am not sure then what is causing the difficulties you are experiencing but it does not appear to be generalised.

Have you considered making a fresh install of NVDA?

David Griffith

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: David Moore
Sent: 10 August 2019 00:03
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 mail app reading inconsistently in emailcomposition window

 

hello all! I am so glad that you brought that up about how the Windows mail app is acting. I have had exactly the same problem in the Windows 10 mail app, what I have to do, is use the review cursor reading commands to read the mail message with the review cursor, find where I want to edit, and then press the key command to move the focus to where the review cursor is, and then I can cracked my mistakes. The the review cursor is the only way I can read an email. You are cracked, if I simply use the up and down arrow keys the focus will not say the correct text at all for what is on each line and the message that you are typing in the mail app. Nvda has not worked well in the Windows 10 mail app for a long time when it comes to typing, reading, and doing just about anything with messages. I have to use many round about ways to even use the Windows 10 mail app oh, like I said, I have to read messages with the review cursor. David Moore

 

 

 

 

Re: Windows 10 mail app reading inconsistently in email composition window

David Moore
 

Hi David!

I will press alt twice as you suggested, and hopefully, that will cause the mail app to work better.

David Moore

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Robert Doc Wright godfearer
Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2019 11:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 mail app reading inconsistently in emailcomposition window

 

Similar to you when I have to do a reply I sometimes have to shift tab and tab back then everything is fine. I will try your solution of tapping alt twice.

 

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From: David Griffith
Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2019 11:04 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 mail app reading inconsistently in emailcomposition window

 

I am replying to your message using the latest build of NVDA and windows Mail  on Windows 10 19.03 with full normal reading and typing feedback.

There is a slight anomaly which has existed for some time in that when I first reply to a message and want to type in the edit field I need to press the alt key quickly twice to get proper typing focus.

After that NVDA behave entirely normally and as you would expect.

I am not sure then what is causing the difficulties you are experiencing but it does not appear to be generalised.

Have you considered making a fresh install of NVDA?

David Griffith

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: David Moore
Sent: 10 August 2019 00:03
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 mail app reading inconsistently in emailcomposition window

 

hello all! I am so glad that you brought that up about how the Windows mail app is acting. I have had exactly the same problem in the Windows 10 mail app, what I have to do, is use the review cursor reading commands to read the mail message with the review cursor, find where I want to edit, and then press the key command to move the focus to where the review cursor is, and then I can cracked my mistakes. The the review cursor is the only way I can read an email. You are cracked, if I simply use the up and down arrow keys the focus will not say the correct text at all for what is on each line and the message that you are typing in the mail app. Nvda has not worked well in the Windows 10 mail app for a long time when it comes to typing, reading, and doing just about anything with messages. I have to use many round about ways to even use the Windows 10 mail app oh, like I said, I have to read messages with the review cursor. David Moore

 

 

 

Re: Issues when using NVDA with comments in MS Word

Quentin Christensen
 

1. NVDA doesn't announce anything while entering a comment section.  By pressing Alt+R, N,  we can enter the next comment in the document, NVDA successfully enters the comment section, but no announcement is made. When I arrow up and down to read the text, it is then an announcement is made. It states comment section, then reads out the text in the comment section.  Sometimes no announcement is made while exiting to the main body of the text also.
2. No announcement is made while jumping from one comment to the other. When in a particular comment you can simply jump to the next by pressing say all command or by simply Ctrl and down arrow, NVDA doesn't announce comments being jumped. You wouldn't know in which comment you are. It is very difficult to know where a particular comment ends.
3. Impossible to edit a comment without entering the comment section. Using the letter A in browse mode, it is possible to jump from comment mark up to comment mark up within the body of the main text, but it is not possible to edit it from there itself. After navigating to a particular mark up, the context menu after pressing the application key doesn't provide the option of editing the comment. Although, I think I remember seeing the edit option once, I'm not sure though.

Hi Akshaya,

For 1) When I press ALT+R, N, NVDA reports: "Ribbon Tabs  tab control  expanded
Review  tab  selected  Alt, R  9 of 15
n
Microsoft Word Document  edit  multi line
Comments  frame
section 1
<Reads comment>"

For 2)  That's an interesting bug, particularly as CONTROL+UP ARROW does NOT move you to the previous comment, and it is something NVDA is doing - without NVDA running, control+up / down arrow move you between paragraphs in the one comment (and to the end of the last paragraph in the current comment).  Turning on NVDA's experimental UIA support in Word, control+up and down arrow work as they should.  Interestingly the first time I tried enabling UIA, comment text was not read at all, but turning it off and on again seemed to fix it (UIA enabled now does read the comment correctly and the caret stays within the comment, unless you press ALT+DOWN ARROW or ALT+UP ARROW which seems to be a Word command, as it works like that even without NVDA running)

3) It's an odd oversight, but that one is Microsoft's oversight rather than ours.  I'd noticed it as well and don't have an answer, other than to suggest raising it with Microsoft.

I've created an issue for #2: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/10073

Quentin.

On Sun, Aug 11, 2019 at 5:59 AM Akshaya Choudhary <acsociopath@...> wrote:
Hello guys, 
I'm facing several following issues while using NVDA with word:
1. NVDA doesn't announce anything while entering a comment section.  By pressing Alt+R, N,  we can enter the next comment in the document, NVDA successfully enters the comment section, but no announcement is made. When I arrow up and down to read the text, it is then an announcement is made. It states comment section, then reads out the text in the comment section.  Sometimes no announcement is made while exiting to the main body of the text also. 
2. No announcement is made while jumping from one comment to the other. When in a particular comment you can simply jump to the next by pressing say all command or by simply Ctrl and down arrow, NVDA doesn't announce comments being jumped. You wouldn't know in which comment you are. It is very difficult to know where a particular comment ends. 
3. Impossible to edit a comment without entering the comment section. Using the letter A in browse mode, it is possible to jump from comment mark up to comment mark up within the body of the main text, but it is not possible to edit it from there itself. After navigating to a particular mark up, the context menu after pressing the application key doesn't provide the option of editing the comment. Although, I think I remember seeing the edit option once, I'm not sure though. 

I would be grateful for any help in these issues. I would say, NVDA not announcing anything while entering a comment section and while jumping one comment section to the other  is creating most difficulty and ambiguity for me. 

Regards 



--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

NVDA 2019.2 RC 1 now available!

Re: JAWS extend select mode in NVDA?

Ed Marquette
 

This is not really a JAWS extended select mode.  It is a Word function, and, you can use the same function with NVDA; the status is just not announced.
Consequently, you may press F-8 once to turn on a select mode.  Pressing a second time selects the word.  Pressing a third time selects a sentence or the end of the paragraph (whichever comes next).  Pressing a 4th time selects either the paragraph or the end of the document.  Once selected, of course, the text may be copied, cut, bolded, or whatever.  NVDA just does not announce what is being selected.  That would be a nice feature, but unlike reading capital letters by line, it is not crucial.
I often hit f-8 once,search for a particular word or series of words (or unique character), and then take action on the text selected in this manner.
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On Aug 11, 2019, at 2:31 PM, Akshaya Choudhary <acsociopath@...> wrote:

Is there something similar to JAWS's extend select mode in NVDA? In JAWS one can press F8 to start extended selection, and then can select text without using the shift key. This is especially useful with selecting sentences in word, which is otherwise not directly possible with NVDA. 
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Regards,
Sociohack

Re: Windows 10 mail app reading inconsistently in email composition window

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 

How does this affect the various folders for each account?

 

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From: David Griffith
Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2019 11:54 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 mail app reading inconsistently in emailcomposition window

 

I have  my email accounts linked into a single inbox but If I want to review mail by accounts I simply press control Y to bring up the folder list and then cursor down to the account I want to review.

David Griffith

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Robert Doc Wright godfearer
Sent: 10 August 2019 08:05
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 mail app reading inconsistently in emailcomposition window

 

I do not know why you are having this problem. I have been using the windows 10 mail app for the last three years. When I open an email I just use the down arrow to read.  What I would prefer is that the messages AKA list of emails were next to all accounts. I have several email accounts and when I am done with one I need to tab five times to change accounts.

 

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From: David Moore
Sent: Friday, August 9, 2019 5:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 mail app reading inconsistently in email composition window

 

hello all! I am so glad that you brought that up about how the Windows mail app is acting. I have had exactly the same problem in the Windows 10 mail app, what I have to do, is use the review cursor reading commands to read the mail message with the review cursor, find where I want to edit, and then press the key command to move the focus to where the review cursor is, and then I can cracked my mistakes. The the review cursor is the only way I can read an email. You are cracked, if I simply use the up and down arrow keys the focus will not say the correct text at all for what is on each line and the message that you are typing in the mail app. Nvda has not worked well in the Windows 10 mail app for a long time when it comes to typing, reading, and doing just about anything with messages. I have to use many round about ways to even use the Windows 10 mail app oh, like I said, I have to read messages with the review cursor. David Moore

 

 

 

Re: Windows 10 mail app reading inconsistently in email composition window

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 

Similar to you when I have to do a reply I sometimes have to shift tab and tab back then everything is fine. I will try your solution of tapping alt twice.

 

                                                                                                                                If all I have left in this world is God, I have everything!                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: David Griffith
Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2019 11:04 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 mail app reading inconsistently in emailcomposition window

 

I am replying to your message using the latest build of NVDA and windows Mail  on Windows 10 19.03 with full normal reading and typing feedback.

There is a slight anomaly which has existed for some time in that when I first reply to a message and want to type in the edit field I need to press the alt key quickly twice to get proper typing focus.

After that NVDA behave entirely normally and as you would expect.

I am not sure then what is causing the difficulties you are experiencing but it does not appear to be generalised.

Have you considered making a fresh install of NVDA?

David Griffith

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: David Moore
Sent: 10 August 2019 00:03
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 mail app reading inconsistently in emailcomposition window

 

hello all! I am so glad that you brought that up about how the Windows mail app is acting. I have had exactly the same problem in the Windows 10 mail app, what I have to do, is use the review cursor reading commands to read the mail message with the review cursor, find where I want to edit, and then press the key command to move the focus to where the review cursor is, and then I can cracked my mistakes. The the review cursor is the only way I can read an email. You are cracked, if I simply use the up and down arrow keys the focus will not say the correct text at all for what is on each line and the message that you are typing in the mail app. Nvda has not worked well in the Windows 10 mail app for a long time when it comes to typing, reading, and doing just about anything with messages. I have to use many round about ways to even use the Windows 10 mail app oh, like I said, I have to read messages with the review cursor. David Moore

 

 

Re: Windows 10 and Eudora mail

Arlene
 

I’ll have to give it  a try. Not on this list. Not everybody uses a Braille display.  Some use NVDA or other screen reader to read messages.  I’ll just try it on a sighted person.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gene
Sent: August 11, 2019 5:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 and Eudora mail

 

You can do this in Windows Live Mail and, as I recall, in Outlook as well.  I don't know what other programs this may work in.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2019 6:01 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 and Eudora mail

 

I have never embedded music in an email but I do like the simple way of inserting attachments in Windows Mail.

Find whatever music or other file or document you want  to attach and then simply copy and paste it into the body of the windows Mail message and it is neatly attached to the message.

 

David griffith

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Arlene
Sent: 11 August 2019 22:17
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 and Eudora mail

 

I’m using windows tem mail app with gmail.  I have no problems with it.  What I do miss is this. In the xp days when I used outlook express. I used to be able to embed music in the e-mail.  Someone showed me once howto do it.  I only did it once but forgot how to do it.  I wished I can do it using the win ten mail app.  Oh well. Those days are gone.  I never knew how to do it using outlook ten. When I used win 7. 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: David Griffith
Sent: August 11, 2019 10:10 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 and Eudora mail

 

People either seem to love it or hate it but the Windows 10 Mail app in my view works well.

It does not have bells or whistles but is normally a breeze to set up and on my system works very snappily. I really like the Preview feature with NVDA reading out enough of most mails for me to decide whether I need to read fully or just delete.

Press enter to read an email and escape to exit it.

Left and right arrows open and close threads in the inbox. Threads automatically open as you cursor down through the inbox.

 

There are 2 quirky anomalies which you need to get used to.

Firstly when replying to messages you need to press alt twice quickly to force NVDA to focus into the edit area to type your message.

The second is that as Mail loads new messages it sometimes shifts focus away from the inbox list of messages to the navigation bar.

If this happens you need to shit tab to focus again on the message list.

I have got so used to this it is part of my muscle memory now and is not really an issue though some may find it annoying.

If you are at all familiar with versions of Outlook a lot of keystroke shortcuts are familiar.

For example, Control enter to send a mail, control Y to open up a list of all your email accounts and folders. F9 to force a check for new mail, control R for reply and so on and so on. F7 does a spell check as in Outlook but here this unusually works on a single word at a time so you will need to press F7 repeatedly to navigate to each spelling error in a message.

I use Outlook as well but Windows Mail is definitely my preferred client for rapid handling of large numbers of emails.

 

David Griffith

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Jeff Samco
Sent: 11 August 2019 15:28
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Windows 10 and Eudora mail

 

I have just switched from a Windows 7 to a Windows 10 computer. In 7 Eudora mail worked fine. In Windows 10 I am having trouble when arrowing up and down any mailboxes such as the In box, etc. Now, I get any particular entry spoken as a portion of one email's sender & subject  and a portion of another email's sender and subject. And, generally neither is associated with the actual email if I were to open it. I have maximized main windows and child windows with no difference. Anyone have a suggestion?

Or, perhaps it is time to move on to another email client. I like Eudora for the simplicity of using keyboard commands for sorting mailboxes in various ways. Thanks for any suggestions about email clients, too.

Jeff

 

 

 

 

Re: Windows 10 and Eudora mail

Gene
 

You can do this in Windows Live Mail and, as I recall, in Outlook as well.  I don't know what other programs this may work in.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2019 6:01 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 and Eudora mail

I have never embedded music in an email but I do like the simple way of inserting attachments in Windows Mail.

Find whatever music or other file or document you want  to attach and then simply copy and paste it into the body of the windows Mail message and it is neatly attached to the message.

 

David griffith

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Arlene
Sent: 11 August 2019 22:17
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 and Eudora mail

 

I’m using windows tem mail app with gmail.  I have no problems with it.  What I do miss is this. In the xp days when I used outlook express. I used to be able to embed music in the e-mail.  Someone showed me once howto do it.  I only did it once but forgot how to do it.  I wished I can do it using the win ten mail app.  Oh well. Those days are gone.  I never knew how to do it using outlook ten. When I used win 7. 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: David Griffith
Sent: August 11, 2019 10:10 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 and Eudora mail

 

People either seem to love it or hate it but the Windows 10 Mail app in my view works well.

It does not have bells or whistles but is normally a breeze to set up and on my system works very snappily. I really like the Preview feature with NVDA reading out enough of most mails for me to decide whether I need to read fully or just delete.

Press enter to read an email and escape to exit it.

Left and right arrows open and close threads in the inbox. Threads automatically open as you cursor down through the inbox.

 

There are 2 quirky anomalies which you need to get used to.

Firstly when replying to messages you need to press alt twice quickly to force NVDA to focus into the edit area to type your message.

The second is that as Mail loads new messages it sometimes shifts focus away from the inbox list of messages to the navigation bar.

If this happens you need to shit tab to focus again on the message list.

I have got so used to this it is part of my muscle memory now and is not really an issue though some may find it annoying.

If you are at all familiar with versions of Outlook a lot of keystroke shortcuts are familiar.

For example, Control enter to send a mail, control Y to open up a list of all your email accounts and folders. F9 to force a check for new mail, control R for reply and so on and so on. F7 does a spell check as in Outlook but here this unusually works on a single word at a time so you will need to press F7 repeatedly to navigate to each spelling error in a message.

I use Outlook as well but Windows Mail is definitely my preferred client for rapid handling of large numbers of emails.

 

David Griffith

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Jeff Samco
Sent: 11 August 2019 15:28
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Windows 10 and Eudora mail

 

I have just switched from a Windows 7 to a Windows 10 computer. In 7 Eudora mail worked fine. In Windows 10 I am having trouble when arrowing up and down any mailboxes such as the In box, etc. Now, I get any particular entry spoken as a portion of one email's sender & subject  and a portion of another email's sender and subject. And, generally neither is associated with the actual email if I were to open it. I have maximized main windows and child windows with no difference. Anyone have a suggestion?

Or, perhaps it is time to move on to another email client. I like Eudora for the simplicity of using keyboard commands for sorting mailboxes in various ways. Thanks for any suggestions about email clients, too.

Jeff

 

 

 

Re: Issue with NVDA, Thunderbird, and pasting links

 

Gentlemen, I have retitled this topic as it really helps archive searchers to find what they're looking for when the topic is descriptive of the actual issue.  I am requesting that follow ups on this topic be done using this message (or a later one with the updated title) so that everything remains linked together.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362  

The color of truth is grey.

           ~ André Gide

 

 

Re: Issue with NVDA, Thunderbird, and pasting links

Quentin Christensen
 

I must admit I don't use Thunderbird all the time, but I just tried using NVDA 2019.2 RC2.

Using Thunder 52.9.1 32-bit, (Told you I don't use Thunderbird all the time), I created a new message, typed a few words, alt+tabbed to a browser, copied the URL, came back and pasted it, what I found was that NVDA would report the keystroke if I have speak command keys on, but not otherwise acknowledge pasting the link.  When I read or arrow through the message however, NVDA didn't have any trouble reporting the link when it got to it.

Letting Thunderbird update to version 60.8.0 (32-bit), I repeated and found exactly the same behaviour.

Maybe there is something in your log?  See https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/wiki/LogFilesAndCrashDumps for info on getting to the NVDA log.

Regards

Quentin.


On Sat, Aug 10, 2019 at 7:07 AM Scott Berry <sb356607@...> wrote:
Hello there,


I am noticing while pasting links in to my emails that NVDA 2019RC2 is
taking some time to realize that the email link has been pasted in to
the message.  Usually I always read my messages before sending unless I
am in a hurry and I notice that when the link is first embedded it
doesn't want to read the link unless I go up and down with the arrows
several times.  It can vary how many times this is done.  Here are the
exact steps I take.


1.  Open Thunderbird.


2.  Open a new message with Control plus N.


3.  I first write the message and when I get to the point where I think
the link needs to be embedded I have the link in the clipboard and paste
it in to the message.


3A.  I always try to make sure the link actually embeds so I will
especially just look for the link by going up and down as well.


4.  Usually at this point is where I proof read the message and here is
where NVDA has a hard time attempting to read the link.


NVDA is great and I use it every day for my work as a patient advocate. 
I prefer it over any other screen reader that Windows can provide me with.





--
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Health, Patient Advocate Please boogie on over to our site at:
http://www.berrysadvocating.biz





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Training and Support Manager

NVDA 2019.2 RC 1 now available!

Re: Windows 10 and Eudora mail

David Griffith
 

I have never embedded music in an email but I do like the simple way of inserting attachments in Windows Mail.

Find whatever music or other file or document you want  to attach and then simply copy and paste it into the body of the windows Mail message and it is neatly attached to the message.

 

David griffith

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Arlene
Sent: 11 August 2019 22:17
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 and Eudora mail

 

I’m using windows tem mail app with gmail.  I have no problems with it.  What I do miss is this. In the xp days when I used outlook express. I used to be able to embed music in the e-mail.  Someone showed me once howto do it.  I only did it once but forgot how to do it.  I wished I can do it using the win ten mail app.  Oh well. Those days are gone.  I never knew how to do it using outlook ten. When I used win 7. 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: David Griffith
Sent: August 11, 2019 10:10 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 and Eudora mail

 

People either seem to love it or hate it but the Windows 10 Mail app in my view works well.

It does not have bells or whistles but is normally a breeze to set up and on my system works very snappily. I really like the Preview feature with NVDA reading out enough of most mails for me to decide whether I need to read fully or just delete.

Press enter to read an email and escape to exit it.

Left and right arrows open and close threads in the inbox. Threads automatically open as you cursor down through the inbox.

 

There are 2 quirky anomalies which you need to get used to.

Firstly when replying to messages you need to press alt twice quickly to force NVDA to focus into the edit area to type your message.

The second is that as Mail loads new messages it sometimes shifts focus away from the inbox list of messages to the navigation bar.

If this happens you need to shit tab to focus again on the message list.

I have got so used to this it is part of my muscle memory now and is not really an issue though some may find it annoying.

If you are at all familiar with versions of Outlook a lot of keystroke shortcuts are familiar.

For example, Control enter to send a mail, control Y to open up a list of all your email accounts and folders. F9 to force a check for new mail, control R for reply and so on and so on. F7 does a spell check as in Outlook but here this unusually works on a single word at a time so you will need to press F7 repeatedly to navigate to each spelling error in a message.

I use Outlook as well but Windows Mail is definitely my preferred client for rapid handling of large numbers of emails.

 

David Griffith

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Jeff Samco
Sent: 11 August 2019 15:28
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Windows 10 and Eudora mail

 

I have just switched from a Windows 7 to a Windows 10 computer. In 7 Eudora mail worked fine. In Windows 10 I am having trouble when arrowing up and down any mailboxes such as the In box, etc. Now, I get any particular entry spoken as a portion of one email's sender & subject  and a portion of another email's sender and subject. And, generally neither is associated with the actual email if I were to open it. I have maximized main windows and child windows with no difference. Anyone have a suggestion?

Or, perhaps it is time to move on to another email client. I like Eudora for the simplicity of using keyboard commands for sorting mailboxes in various ways. Thanks for any suggestions about email clients, too.

Jeff

 

 

 

Re: Unlocking Protected View, Got Answer!

Quentin Christensen
 

You can also press F6 to get to the "Protected view grouping".

I didn't see your original question, but I expect someone must have replied to it more recently so I will come to it - but just in case I thought I'd reply here.

On Sat, Aug 10, 2019 at 1:42 AM David Russell <david.sonofhashem@...> wrote:
Hi all,

I found the answer to my question as how to unlock protected view in
EMail attachments.


With the document open, hit Alt F.
Tab until you get to a button that says Enable Editing.
Press Enter.


Thanks!!

--
David Russell
david.sonofhashem@...





--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

NVDA 2019.2 RC 1 now available!

Re: JAWS extend select mode in NVDA?

 

Hi,

Actually, it is more than an NVDA command: in order to move by sentences (a very different topic), the app itself must provide a way to tell screen readers that sentence navigation is possible. Outlook and Word can do this, and possibly other apps.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2019 3:41 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] JAWS extend select mode in NVDA?

 

I just checked.  From the User Guide:

Next sentence
alt+downArrow
alt+downArrow
Moves the caret to the next sentence and announces it. (only supported in Microsoft Word and Outlook)
Previous sentence
alt+upArrow
alt+upArrow
Moves the caret to the previous sentence and announces it. (only supported in Microsoft Word and Outlook)

 

My comment:

If holding shift allows you to move and select, this will do what is wanted but I have no idea if the command can be used in that way.  This isn't an add-on; these are commands in NVDA itself.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

 

From: Gene

Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2019 5:28 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] JAWS extend select mode in NVDA?

 

But what is wanted is to move by sentence.  I have a vague recollection that there is an add-on that allows movement by sentence and you might be able to select in that way but others will have to say if my memory is correct.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2019 2:34 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] JAWS extend select mode in NVDA?

 

Akshaya,

Is there something similar to JAWS's extend select mode in NVDA? In JAWS one can press F8 to start extended selection, and then can select text without using the shift key.

Hmmm, not sure, but I'd think that it can be done using NVDA+F9 to mark the beginning of the selection and NVDA+F10 twice quickly, one to mark the end and the other to copy what you've selected.

Cheers,
Marcio

AKA Starboy

 

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Re: Outlook Bug When Scrolling Through Messages

Quentin Christensen
 

It looks like this issue:  https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/9991

I think we've looked at most of the other issues, but have you ever had Avast on the computer in question?

Quentin.

On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 10:21 PM kelby carlson <kelbycarlson@...> wrote:
Here is a log from when I tried this:

INFO - __main__ (08:16:59.197):
Starting NVDA
INFO - core.main (08:17:00.957):
Config dir: C:\Users\kcarlson\AppData\Roaming\nvda
INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (08:17:00.957):
Loading config: C:\Users\kcarlson\AppData\Roaming\nvda\nvda.ini
INFO - core.main (08:17:01.259):
NVDA version 2019.1.1
INFO - core.main (08:17:01.259):
Using Windows version 10.0.17134 workstation
INFO - core.main (08:17:01.259):
Using Python version 2.7.15 (v2.7.15:ca079a3ea3, Apr 30 2018,
16:22:17) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)]
INFO - core.main (08:17:01.259):
Using comtypes version 1.1.3
INFO - core.main (08:17:01.259):
Using configobj version 5.1.0 with validate version 1.0.1
INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (08:17:03.446):
Loaded synthDriver eloquence
INFO - core.main (08:17:03.923):
Using wx version 4.0.3 msw (phoenix) wxWidgets 3.0.5
INFO - brailleInput.initialize (08:17:03.928):
Braille input initialized
INFO - braille.initialize (08:17:03.938):
Using liblouis version 3.8.0
INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (08:17:03.940):
Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0 cells.
WARNING - core.main (08:17:04.042):
Java Access Bridge not available
INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (08:17:04.065):
UIAutomation: IUIAutomation5
INFO - core.main (08:17:05.334):
NVDA initialized
ERROR - RPC process 10644 (nvda_slave.exe) (08:17:16.051):
__main__.main:
slave error
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "nvda_slave.pyw", line 94, in main
  File "comHelper.pyo", line 22, in _lresultFromGetActiveObject
  File "comtypes\client\__init__.pyo", line 180, in GetActiveObject
  File "comtypes\__init__.pyo", line 1247, in GetActiveObject
  File "_ctypes/callproc.c", line 950, in GetResult
WindowsError: [Error -2147221021] Operation unavailable
INFO - globalCommands.GlobalCommands.script_navigatorObject_devInfo
(08:19:49.664):
Developer info for navigator object:
name: u'Flag Status Red Flag replied has attachment From
mdjblattenberger@..., Subject Message from "RNP0026736F9330",
Received Mon 5:25 PM, Size 3 MB, In Folder Archive,'
role: ROLE_LISTITEM
states: STATE_FOCUSABLE, STATE_SELECTABLE, STATE_READONLY
isFocusable: True
hasFocus: False
Python object: <appModules.outlook.UIAGridRow object at 0x05B31B70>
Python class mro: (<class 'appModules.outlook.UIAGridRow'>, <class
'NVDAObjects.behaviors.RowWithFakeNavigation'>, <class
'NVDAObjects.UIA.UIA'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.window.Window'>, <class
'NVDAObjects.NVDAObject'>, <class 'documentBase.TextContainerObject'>,
<class 'baseObject.ScriptableObject'>, <class
'baseObject.AutoPropertyObject'>, <type 'object'>)
description: ''
location: RectLTWH(left=360, top=508, width=414, height=70)
value: None
appModule: <'outlook' (appName u'outlook', process ID 12096) at address 58fbdf0>
appModule.productName: u'Microsoft Outlook'
appModule.productVersion: u'16.0.4266.1001'
TextInfo: <class 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObjectTextInfo'>
windowHandle: 2560368
windowClassName: u'OutlookGrid'
windowControlID: 4704
windowStyle: 1442840576
windowThreadID: 8524
windowText: u'Table View'
displayText: u''
UIAElement: <POINTER(IUIAutomationElement) ptr=0x839e1a0 at 57da3a0>
UIA automationID:
UIA frameworkID:
UIA runtimeID: (42, 2560368, 4, -236)
UIA providerDescription: [pid:12096,providerId:0x0 Main(parent
link):Unidentified Provider (unmanaged:OUTLOOK.EXE)]
UIA className: LeafRow
UIA patterns available: LegacyIAccessiblePattern, GridItemPattern,
InvokePattern, ScrollItemPattern, SelectionItemPattern, ValuePattern


On 8/7/19, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
> There is information on log files at:
> https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/wiki/LogFilesAndCrashDumps
>
> One way, if it's an issue that you can replicate without then needing to
> reboot or something afterwards - replicate the issue, then press NVDA+F1 to
> open the log.  Press CONTROL+A to select all, then CONTROL+C to copy,
> create an email to me (or the list) with details of the issue and how to
> replicate, then press CONTROL+V to paste.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Quentin.
>
> On Thu, Aug 8, 2019 at 1:45 AM kelby carlson <kelbycarlson@...>
> wrote:
>
>> Yes, I believe so.
>>
>> On 8/7/19, George Bell <george@...> wrote:
>> > Are both systems running the same version of Windows 10?  The current
>> > version is 1903, but there have been updates to even that version
>> recently.
>> >
>> > George
>> >
>> > From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of kelby
>> carlson
>> > Sent: 07 August 2019 14:31
>> > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> > Subject: Re: [nvda] Outlook Bug When Scrolling Through Messages
>> >
>> > I don't believe the ad-ons are any different on my laptop than my
>> desktop.
>> >
>> > I also have a home laptop with the latest NVDA, WIndows 10, and
>> > Outlook,
>> > which does not have this problem. This leads me to believe it must have
>> to
>> > do with the specific computer, though I can't imagine what the problem
>> is.
>> > They are both Lenovo brand.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> --
>> Kelby Carlson
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
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> Training and Support Manager
>
> NVDA 2019.2 RC 1 <https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-2rc1-released/>
> now
> available!
>
> Web: www.nvaccess.org
> Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
> Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/
> User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda
> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
> Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>
>
>
>
>


--
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NVDA 2019.2 RC 1 now available!

Re: JAWS extend select mode in NVDA?

Gene
 

I just checked.  From the User Guide:
Next sentence
alt+downArrow
alt+downArrow
Moves the caret to the next sentence and announces it. (only supported in Microsoft Word and Outlook)
Previous sentence
alt+upArrow
alt+upArrow
Moves the caret to the previous sentence and announces it. (only supported in Microsoft Word and Outlook)
 
My comment:
If holding shift allows you to move and select, this will do what is wanted but I have no idea if the command can be used in that way.  This isn't an add-on; these are commands in NVDA itself.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2019 5:28 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] JAWS extend select mode in NVDA?

But what is wanted is to move by sentence.  I have a vague recollection that there is an add-on that allows movement by sentence and you might be able to select in that way but others will have to say if my memory is correct.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2019 2:34 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] JAWS extend select mode in NVDA?

Akshaya,
Is there something similar to JAWS's extend select mode in NVDA? In JAWS one can press F8 to start extended selection, and then can select text without using the shift key.
Hmmm, not sure, but I'd think that it can be done using NVDA+F9 to mark the beginning of the selection and NVDA+F10 twice quickly, one to mark the end and the other to copy what you've selected.

Cheers,
Marcio AKA Starboy

Sent from a galaxy far, far away.

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Re: JAWS extend select mode in NVDA?

 

Hi,

No, what this person wants to know is if NVDA will detect selections if F8 is pressed from Word, moves around, and tries to see if there is text selection, and the answer is “sort of”.

The command this person is referring to is not a JAWS command – as Jackie pointed out, I can confirm that this is a Word specific command.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2019 3:29 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] JAWS extend select mode in NVDA?

 

But what is wanted is to move by sentence.  I have a vague recollection that there is an add-on that allows movement by sentence and you might be able to select in that way but others will have to say if my memory is correct.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2019 2:34 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] JAWS extend select mode in NVDA?

 

Akshaya,

Is there something similar to JAWS's extend select mode in NVDA? In JAWS one can press F8 to start extended selection, and then can select text without using the shift key.

Hmmm, not sure, but I'd think that it can be done using NVDA+F9 to mark the beginning of the selection and NVDA+F10 twice quickly, one to mark the end and the other to copy what you've selected.

Cheers,
Marcio

AKA Starboy

 

Sent from a galaxy far, far away.

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Re: JAWS extend select mode in NVDA?

Gene
 

But what is wanted is to move by sentence.  I have a vague recollection that there is an add-on that allows movement by sentence and you might be able to select in that way but others will have to say if my memory is correct.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2019 2:34 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] JAWS extend select mode in NVDA?

Akshaya,
Is there something similar to JAWS's extend select mode in NVDA? In JAWS one can press F8 to start extended selection, and then can select text without using the shift key.
Hmmm, not sure, but I'd think that it can be done using NVDA+F9 to mark the beginning of the selection and NVDA+F10 twice quickly, one to mark the end and the other to copy what you've selected.

Cheers,
Marcio AKA Starboy

Sent from a galaxy far, far away.

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