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Re: Outlook Bug When Scrolling Through Messages

Quentin Christensen
 

Ah that definitely seems to point to an issue with Outlook to affect both NVDA and narrator.  Are Microsoft going to follow it up?


On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 11:44 PM kelby carlson <kelbycarlson@...> wrote:
No, I don't think Avast has ever been on the computer. Also, Outlook does not display the "waiting for Outlook" dialogue, nor does it freeze. It just doesn't read in the message list.

I spoke with the Microsoft Disability Answer Desk yesterday. While overall they were extremely unhelpful, we did figure out that precisely the same issue occurs when using Outlook with Narrator on that particular computer. This leads me to believe it is some setting in Outlook or on the computer that is causing the issue, rather than something in NVDA.


On Aug 11, 2019, at 6:41 PM, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:

It looks like this issue:  https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/9991

I think we've looked at most of the other issues, but have you ever had Avast on the computer in question?

Quentin.

On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 10:21 PM kelby carlson <kelbycarlson@...> wrote:
Here is a log from when I tried this:

INFO - __main__ (08:16:59.197):
Starting NVDA
INFO - core.main (08:17:00.957):
Config dir: C:\Users\kcarlson\AppData\Roaming\nvda
INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (08:17:00.957):
Loading config: C:\Users\kcarlson\AppData\Roaming\nvda\nvda.ini
INFO - core.main (08:17:01.259):
NVDA version 2019.1.1
INFO - core.main (08:17:01.259):
Using Windows version 10.0.17134 workstation
INFO - core.main (08:17:01.259):
Using Python version 2.7.15 (v2.7.15:ca079a3ea3, Apr 30 2018,
16:22:17) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)]
INFO - core.main (08:17:01.259):
Using comtypes version 1.1.3
INFO - core.main (08:17:01.259):
Using configobj version 5.1.0 with validate version 1.0.1
INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (08:17:03.446):
Loaded synthDriver eloquence
INFO - core.main (08:17:03.923):
Using wx version 4.0.3 msw (phoenix) wxWidgets 3.0.5
INFO - brailleInput.initialize (08:17:03.928):
Braille input initialized
INFO - braille.initialize (08:17:03.938):
Using liblouis version 3.8.0
INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (08:17:03.940):
Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0 cells.
WARNING - core.main (08:17:04.042):
Java Access Bridge not available
INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (08:17:04.065):
UIAutomation: IUIAutomation5
INFO - core.main (08:17:05.334):
NVDA initialized
ERROR - RPC process 10644 (nvda_slave.exe) (08:17:16.051):
__main__.main:
slave error
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "nvda_slave.pyw", line 94, in main
  File "comHelper.pyo", line 22, in _lresultFromGetActiveObject
  File "comtypes\client\__init__.pyo", line 180, in GetActiveObject
  File "comtypes\__init__.pyo", line 1247, in GetActiveObject
  File "_ctypes/callproc.c", line 950, in GetResult
WindowsError: [Error -2147221021] Operation unavailable
INFO - globalCommands.GlobalCommands.script_navigatorObject_devInfo
(08:19:49.664):
Developer info for navigator object:
name: u'Flag Status Red Flag replied has attachment From
mdjblattenberger@..., Subject Message from "RNP0026736F9330",
Received Mon 5:25 PM, Size 3 MB, In Folder Archive,'
role: ROLE_LISTITEM
states: STATE_FOCUSABLE, STATE_SELECTABLE, STATE_READONLY
isFocusable: True
hasFocus: False
Python object: <appModules.outlook.UIAGridRow object at 0x05B31B70>
Python class mro: (<class 'appModules.outlook.UIAGridRow'>, <class
'NVDAObjects.behaviors.RowWithFakeNavigation'>, <class
'NVDAObjects.UIA.UIA'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.window.Window'>, <class
'NVDAObjects.NVDAObject'>, <class 'documentBase.TextContainerObject'>,
<class 'baseObject.ScriptableObject'>, <class
'baseObject.AutoPropertyObject'>, <type 'object'>)
description: ''
location: RectLTWH(left=360, top=508, width=414, height=70)
value: None
appModule: <'outlook' (appName u'outlook', process ID 12096) at address 58fbdf0>
appModule.productName: u'Microsoft Outlook'
appModule.productVersion: u'16.0.4266.1001'
TextInfo: <class 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObjectTextInfo'>
windowHandle: 2560368
windowClassName: u'OutlookGrid'
windowControlID: 4704
windowStyle: 1442840576
windowThreadID: 8524
windowText: u'Table View'
displayText: u''
UIAElement: <POINTER(IUIAutomationElement) ptr=0x839e1a0 at 57da3a0>
UIA automationID:
UIA frameworkID:
UIA runtimeID: (42, 2560368, 4, -236)
UIA providerDescription: [pid:12096,providerId:0x0 Main(parent
link):Unidentified Provider (unmanaged:OUTLOOK.EXE)]
UIA className: LeafRow
UIA patterns available: LegacyIAccessiblePattern, GridItemPattern,
InvokePattern, ScrollItemPattern, SelectionItemPattern, ValuePattern


On 8/7/19, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
> There is information on log files at:
> https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/wiki/LogFilesAndCrashDumps
>
> One way, if it's an issue that you can replicate without then needing to
> reboot or something afterwards - replicate the issue, then press NVDA+F1 to
> open the log.  Press CONTROL+A to select all, then CONTROL+C to copy,
> create an email to me (or the list) with details of the issue and how to
> replicate, then press CONTROL+V to paste.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Quentin.
>
> On Thu, Aug 8, 2019 at 1:45 AM kelby carlson <kelbycarlson@...>
> wrote:
>
>> Yes, I believe so.
>>
>> On 8/7/19, George Bell <george@...> wrote:
>> > Are both systems running the same version of Windows 10?  The current
>> > version is 1903, but there have been updates to even that version
>> recently.
>> >
>> > George
>> >
>> > From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of kelby
>> carlson
>> > Sent: 07 August 2019 14:31
>> > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> > Subject: Re: [nvda] Outlook Bug When Scrolling Through Messages
>> >
>> > I don't believe the ad-ons are any different on my laptop than my
>> desktop.
>> >
>> > I also have a home laptop with the latest NVDA, WIndows 10, and
>> > Outlook,
>> > which does not have this problem. This leads me to believe it must have
>> to
>> > do with the specific computer, though I can't imagine what the problem
>> is.
>> > They are both Lenovo brand.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> --
>> Kelby Carlson
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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>
>


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Re: Word Press

John J. Boyer
 

A better list to ask questions on Wordpress is the WordPress for newbies list, wp4nbs on freelists.org

John

On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 04:24:11PM -0400, Governor staten wrote:
the classic editor is built in, and the visual one is as well. Activate the
classic editor. Everything should work fine from there.



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On 8/13/2019 3:22 PM, AKH AKH wrote:

Hi Governor staten


So great to find someone out there on the same journy.  I've been using
the Page builder add on.  so, where do I find the visual editer,
please.  When I edit a page, Page Builder is the default.  I guess I
deactivate it, but then what?


Regards


Andrew


On 13/08/2019 18:06, Governor staten wrote:

I'm in the process of doing that. I use WordPress alone, no page
builder, if that is what you mean. You can use the visual editor and
the text editor fine.



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On 8/13/2019 2:05 PM, AKH AKH wrote:
Has anyone developed a website using NVDA and WP?  If so, what page
editor did you use, please.


A


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Re: Word Press

Jackie
 

Andrew, I think I know our moderator, Brian V, pretty well by now. I
like him a lot, actually, but, if I'm at all correct, I think he will
very soon ask us to take this to the chat subgroup. I am not
subscribed there & don't intend to, so might I urge you to look at my
signature for a resource where this is definitively on topic instead.

I'm dealing w/a machine that's in imminent hard drive failure & that I
need to send to the manufacturer for warranty service as well as 2
sick kitty cats, + some projects for my clients, but I will do my best
to help, as will the other members of the list. You may also wish to
consult my site:
www.wp4newbs.com
for some WordPress tutorials, in the event they're of interest.

Looking forward to seeing you on list! & just a friendly hello to Brian V.

On 8/13/19, Shaun Everiss <@smeveriss> wrote:
Well it depends what you are used to.

I find the gutenberg editor a complete mess and a waste of my time.

Its quite bulky even though its supposed to be more accessible now and
had so many issues during testing it was held back.

For me classic editor works well enough but I am quite basic in my posts.

I have people some ofthem blind that think of the block approach similar
to tetris and enjoy doodling with the advanced systems.

It depends how involved you want.

My blog has a 0spam plugin, a php checker, a healthchecker, a twitter
api, and a couple other things as well as jet pack monitering.

However as I said, I have had the same simple setup for nearly 20 years
now and I really can't see any reason to bother moving forward.

Its not like I am left in a hole, I mean the plugins update and the
wordpress version so its not like I am disadvantaging myself in the least.

Its true you need to install the classical editor plugin but thats fine.

The only change I have made of late is implimenting ssl into the blog.

I mean it was implimented but not inforced and now it is.

Bar removing outdated and broken plugins and themes I havn't bothered
with many differences for the last 20 years and have gradually built
myself up to a level I want.

But then you can say the same thing with winamp.

Its crap and in the past and some stuff doesn't play nice with it and I
know I should use fubar but I don't care to and I have all the plugins I
need and if it becomes to crappy or winamp6 doesn't do what it does I
can use wacup which I may just do anyway at some point.



On 14/08/2019 6:05 AM, AKH AKH wrote:
Has anyone developed a website using NVDA and WP?  If so, what page
editor did you use, please.


A


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Re: Word Press

 

the classic editor is built in, and the visual one is as well. Activate the classic editor. Everything should work fine from there.





On 8/13/2019 3:22 PM, AKH AKH wrote:

Hi Governor staten


So great to find someone out there on the same journy.  I've been using the Page builder add on.  so, where do I find the visual editer, please.  When I edit a page, Page Builder is the default.  I guess I deactivate it, but then what?


Regards


Andrew


On 13/08/2019 18:06, Governor staten wrote:

I'm in the process of doing that. I use WordPress alone, no page builder, if that is what you mean. You can use the visual editor and the text editor fine.





On 8/13/2019 2:05 PM, AKH AKH wrote:
Has anyone developed a website using NVDA and WP?  If so, what page 
editor did you use, please.


A


X X





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Re: Word Press

 

Well it depends what you are used to.

I find the gutenberg editor a complete mess and a waste of my time.

Its quite bulky even though its supposed to be more accessible now and had so many issues during testing it was held back.

For me classic editor works well enough but I am quite basic in my posts.

I have people some ofthem blind that think of the block approach similar to tetris and enjoy doodling with the advanced systems.

It depends how involved you want.

My blog has a 0spam plugin, a php checker, a healthchecker, a twitter api, and a couple other things as well as jet pack monitering.

However as I said, I have had the same simple setup for nearly 20 years now and I really can't see any reason to bother moving forward.

Its not like I am left in a hole, I mean the plugins update and the wordpress version so its not like I am disadvantaging myself in the least.

Its true you need to install the classical editor plugin but thats fine.

The only change I have made of late is implimenting ssl into the blog.

I mean it was implimented but not inforced and now it is.

Bar removing outdated and broken plugins and themes I havn't bothered with many differences for the last 20 years and have gradually built myself up to a level I want.

But then you can say the same thing with winamp.

Its crap and in the past and some stuff doesn't play nice with it and I know I should use fubar but I don't care to and I have all the plugins I need and if it becomes to crappy or winamp6 doesn't do what it does I can use wacup which I may just do anyway at some point.

On 14/08/2019 6:05 AM, AKH AKH wrote:
Has anyone developed a website using NVDA and WP?  If so, what page
editor did you use, please.


A


X X


Re: Word Press

AKH AKH
 

Hi Governor staten


So great to find someone out there on the same journy.  I've been using the Page builder add on.  so, where do I find the visual editer, please.  When I edit a page, Page Builder is the default.  I guess I deactivate it, but then what?


Regards


Andrew


On 13/08/2019 18:06, Governor staten wrote:

I'm in the process of doing that. I use WordPress alone, no page builder, if that is what you mean. You can use the visual editor and the text editor fine.





On 8/13/2019 2:05 PM, AKH AKH wrote:
Has anyone developed a website using NVDA and WP?  If so, what page 
editor did you use, please.


A


X X





Virus-free. www.avg.com

Re: Word Press

 

I'm in the process of doing that. I use WordPress alone, no page builder, if that is what you mean. You can use the visual editor and the text editor fine.





On 8/13/2019 2:05 PM, AKH AKH wrote:
Has anyone developed a website using NVDA and WP?  If so, what page 
editor did you use, please.


A


X X




Word Press

AKH AKH
 

Has anyone developed a website using NVDA and WP?  If so, what page
editor did you use, please.


A


X X

Re: Issues when using NVDA with comments in MS Word

Akshaya Choudhary
 

Thank you, Quentin. 
If I turn on UI automation, NVDA starts to announce its entry into a comment section, and Ctrl+Up or Down arrow doesn't jump NVDA to previous or next comment. But, when in UI automation mode, my Alt+Down arrow command stops functioning. I cannot navigate the text by sentence. I tried reassigning a shortcut via customize ribbon commands. I'm partially sighted, so I could see the cursor moving down one sentence, but NVDA wasn't announcing anything. 
Also, I have noticed, NVDA doesn't read out selected text in word automatically. I have to apply read selected text command. For example, when I jump to some text in the document via Find and Replace commands, NVDA only announces the first line of the selection automatically. To read the entire selection I have to apply read the selected text command. The issue remains the same while exiting a comment section. When I exit a comment section, the text in the main body, to which a comment is attached, is selected by word. But, NVDA doesn’t announce the selection automatically.

Could you help with this?

 

Regards

 

PDF and NVDA problem

Mohd. Ahtesham Shaikh
 

 Hi friends
I am not able to view the PDF pages while using NVDA
While pressing control page down I am not taking to the subsequent pages on the screen
Only the first and the second page is visible  remaining pages are hidden
I need this because I am partially sighted and would like to see the page and zoom it also 
 The pages can be scrolled and viewed only when NVDA  is turned off 



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Re: Outlook Bug When Scrolling Through Messages

kelby carlson
 

No, I don't think Avast has ever been on the computer. Also, Outlook does not display the "waiting for Outlook" dialogue, nor does it freeze. It just doesn't read in the message list.

I spoke with the Microsoft Disability Answer Desk yesterday. While overall they were extremely unhelpful, we did figure out that precisely the same issue occurs when using Outlook with Narrator on that particular computer. This leads me to believe it is some setting in Outlook or on the computer that is causing the issue, rather than something in NVDA.


On Aug 11, 2019, at 6:41 PM, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:

It looks like this issue:  https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/9991

I think we've looked at most of the other issues, but have you ever had Avast on the computer in question?

Quentin.

On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 10:21 PM kelby carlson <kelbycarlson@...> wrote:
Here is a log from when I tried this:

INFO - __main__ (08:16:59.197):
Starting NVDA
INFO - core.main (08:17:00.957):
Config dir: C:\Users\kcarlson\AppData\Roaming\nvda
INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (08:17:00.957):
Loading config: C:\Users\kcarlson\AppData\Roaming\nvda\nvda.ini
INFO - core.main (08:17:01.259):
NVDA version 2019.1.1
INFO - core.main (08:17:01.259):
Using Windows version 10.0.17134 workstation
INFO - core.main (08:17:01.259):
Using Python version 2.7.15 (v2.7.15:ca079a3ea3, Apr 30 2018,
16:22:17) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)]
INFO - core.main (08:17:01.259):
Using comtypes version 1.1.3
INFO - core.main (08:17:01.259):
Using configobj version 5.1.0 with validate version 1.0.1
INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (08:17:03.446):
Loaded synthDriver eloquence
INFO - core.main (08:17:03.923):
Using wx version 4.0.3 msw (phoenix) wxWidgets 3.0.5
INFO - brailleInput.initialize (08:17:03.928):
Braille input initialized
INFO - braille.initialize (08:17:03.938):
Using liblouis version 3.8.0
INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (08:17:03.940):
Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0 cells.
WARNING - core.main (08:17:04.042):
Java Access Bridge not available
INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (08:17:04.065):
UIAutomation: IUIAutomation5
INFO - core.main (08:17:05.334):
NVDA initialized
ERROR - RPC process 10644 (nvda_slave.exe) (08:17:16.051):
__main__.main:
slave error
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "nvda_slave.pyw", line 94, in main
  File "comHelper.pyo", line 22, in _lresultFromGetActiveObject
  File "comtypes\client\__init__.pyo", line 180, in GetActiveObject
  File "comtypes\__init__.pyo", line 1247, in GetActiveObject
  File "_ctypes/callproc.c", line 950, in GetResult
WindowsError: [Error -2147221021] Operation unavailable
INFO - globalCommands.GlobalCommands.script_navigatorObject_devInfo
(08:19:49.664):
Developer info for navigator object:
name: u'Flag Status Red Flag replied has attachment From
mdjblattenberger@..., Subject Message from "RNP0026736F9330",
Received Mon 5:25 PM, Size 3 MB, In Folder Archive,'
role: ROLE_LISTITEM
states: STATE_FOCUSABLE, STATE_SELECTABLE, STATE_READONLY
isFocusable: True
hasFocus: False
Python object: <appModules.outlook.UIAGridRow object at 0x05B31B70>
Python class mro: (<class 'appModules.outlook.UIAGridRow'>, <class
'NVDAObjects.behaviors.RowWithFakeNavigation'>, <class
'NVDAObjects.UIA.UIA'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.window.Window'>, <class
'NVDAObjects.NVDAObject'>, <class 'documentBase.TextContainerObject'>,
<class 'baseObject.ScriptableObject'>, <class
'baseObject.AutoPropertyObject'>, <type 'object'>)
description: ''
location: RectLTWH(left=360, top=508, width=414, height=70)
value: None
appModule: <'outlook' (appName u'outlook', process ID 12096) at address 58fbdf0>
appModule.productName: u'Microsoft Outlook'
appModule.productVersion: u'16.0.4266.1001'
TextInfo: <class 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObjectTextInfo'>
windowHandle: 2560368
windowClassName: u'OutlookGrid'
windowControlID: 4704
windowStyle: 1442840576
windowThreadID: 8524
windowText: u'Table View'
displayText: u''
UIAElement: <POINTER(IUIAutomationElement) ptr=0x839e1a0 at 57da3a0>
UIA automationID:
UIA frameworkID:
UIA runtimeID: (42, 2560368, 4, -236)
UIA providerDescription: [pid:12096,providerId:0x0 Main(parent
link):Unidentified Provider (unmanaged:OUTLOOK.EXE)]
UIA className: LeafRow
UIA patterns available: LegacyIAccessiblePattern, GridItemPattern,
InvokePattern, ScrollItemPattern, SelectionItemPattern, ValuePattern


On 8/7/19, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
> There is information on log files at:
> https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/wiki/LogFilesAndCrashDumps
>
> One way, if it's an issue that you can replicate without then needing to
> reboot or something afterwards - replicate the issue, then press NVDA+F1 to
> open the log.  Press CONTROL+A to select all, then CONTROL+C to copy,
> create an email to me (or the list) with details of the issue and how to
> replicate, then press CONTROL+V to paste.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Quentin.
>
> On Thu, Aug 8, 2019 at 1:45 AM kelby carlson <kelbycarlson@...>
> wrote:
>
>> Yes, I believe so.
>>
>> On 8/7/19, George Bell <george@...> wrote:
>> > Are both systems running the same version of Windows 10?  The current
>> > version is 1903, but there have been updates to even that version
>> recently.
>> >
>> > George
>> >
>> > From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of kelby
>> carlson
>> > Sent: 07 August 2019 14:31
>> > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> > Subject: Re: [nvda] Outlook Bug When Scrolling Through Messages
>> >
>> > I don't believe the ad-ons are any different on my laptop than my
>> desktop.
>> >
>> > I also have a home laptop with the latest NVDA, WIndows 10, and
>> > Outlook,
>> > which does not have this problem. This leads me to believe it must have
>> to
>> > do with the specific computer, though I can't imagine what the problem
>> is.
>> > They are both Lenovo brand.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> --
>> Kelby Carlson
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> Quentin Christensen
> Training and Support Manager
>
> NVDA 2019.2 RC 1 <https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-2rc1-released/>
> now
> available!
>
> Web: www.nvaccess.org
> Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
> Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/
> User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda
> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
> Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>
>
>
>
>


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NVDA 2019.2 RC 1 now available!

Re: unlabeled buttons

Ralf Kefferpuetz
 

Window-eyes had a lot of features missing in NVDA. It is all about setting priorities in developing NVDA. The fact that the relabelling feature isn’t currently present in NVDA doesn’t mean that it might be in the future. Raise an issue for that and show the developers that this is a missed feature, or give your comments to the already existing issue on github.

 

Cheers,

  Ralf

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Peter Beasley
Sent: Dienstag, 13. August 2019 11:20
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] unlabeled buttons

 

Windoeyes used to have it so why can’t NVDA?

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io
Sent: 12 August 2019 21:20
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] unlabeled buttons

 

we really need a graphics labeller,   now I am not a coder.   I do

remember there was some discussion about it some time ago but it got

dropped. maybe it is time to take a look at it again.

 

On 12/08/2019 15:45, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

> You can look at the add ons page but I don't recall there ever beeing a

> way to label any buttons. I'm not in front of my windows machine but

> maybe look throughthe wonderfully written menual and see if I forgot

> something? I might have as I don't need to really label anything, and

> have not for about 9 years, at least on windows.

>

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> Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website.

> <http://www.tffppodcast.com> This is also our libsyn page as well.

> For stuff we sell, mac training materials and  tutorials go here.

> <http://www.tffppodcast.com/premium>

> and for hosting options go here <http://www.tffppodcast.com/hosting>

> to subscribe to the feed click here <http://feeds.feedburner.com/tffp>

>

> Our telegram <https://t.me/tffppodcast> channel is also a good place for

> an announce only in regard to podcasts, contests, etc.

>

> Our discord is where you will know when we go live on youtube, twitch

> and mixer. Thanks Restream staff.

>

> Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

> <Http://patreon.com/tffppodcast>

>

> On 12 Aug 2019, at 2:42, Robert Doc Wright godfearer wrote:

>

>     Is there anyway in NVDA to label a button that is not labeled? For

>     example, in SPL Creator when adding information to a rotation there

>     are two buttons that are not labeled. I figured out that they are

>     decrease and increase. I would like to label them.

>

>     **                                              

>                                                                                                                                      If all I have left in this world is God, I have everything!                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10

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Re: unlabeled buttons

Peter Beasley
 

Windoeyes used to have it so why can’t NVDA?

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io
Sent: 12 August 2019 21:20
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] unlabeled buttons

 

we really need a graphics labeller,   now I am not a coder.   I do

remember there was some discussion about it some time ago but it got

dropped. maybe it is time to take a look at it again.

 

On 12/08/2019 15:45, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

> You can look at the add ons page but I don't recall there ever beeing a

> way to label any buttons. I'm not in front of my windows machine but

> maybe look throughthe wonderfully written menual and see if I forgot

> something? I might have as I don't need to really label anything, and

> have not for about 9 years, at least on windows.

>

> Take care

>

> Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website.

> <http://www.tffppodcast.com> This is also our libsyn page as well.

> For stuff we sell, mac training materials and  tutorials go here.

> <http://www.tffppodcast.com/premium>

> and for hosting options go here <http://www.tffppodcast.com/hosting>

> to subscribe to the feed click here <http://feeds.feedburner.com/tffp>

>

> Our telegram <https://t.me/tffppodcast> channel is also a good place for

> an announce only in regard to podcasts, contests, etc.

>

> Our discord is where you will know when we go live on youtube, twitch

> and mixer. Thanks Restream staff.

>

> Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

> <Http://patreon.com/tffppodcast>

>

> On 12 Aug 2019, at 2:42, Robert Doc Wright godfearer wrote:

>

>     Is there anyway in NVDA to label a button that is not labeled? For

>     example, in SPL Creator when adding information to a rotation there

>     are two buttons that are not labeled. I figured out that they are

>     decrease and increase. I would like to label them.

>

>     **                                              

>                                                                                                                                      If all I have left in this world is God, I have everything!                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10

>

>

 

 

 

Re: NVDA and the AutoComplete List in Outlook 2016

Gene
 

Windows Live Mail has a feature that does about the same thing as the autocomplete list and is completely accessible.  It allows you to search for a contact while you are composing a message and then place the address in the two line.  It is a dialog.  You can type any part of the name or address and it will search for it.  John will find all Johns and show them in a list.  Smith will show all Smiths.  You can type anything anywhere in the name and address and it will show all instances. 
 
I would think that Word, a more complex program and one you pay for, would also have this feature.  I consider that it renders the autocomplete list unnecessary and redundant.  it may take an extra two keystrokes, roughly, to open the dialog but what does that very slight increase in keystrokes matter?
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2019 8:27 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and the AutoComplete List in Outlook 2016

In that issue I linked to, there definitely was an issue reading any of the auto complete list in Outlook 2016.  I don't have 2016, but my testing in Outlook 365 indicates that the auto complete list does now work, with the caveat that it doesn't read fully the first time around.

The issue will likely be, whether Microsoft will be willing to fix the autocomplete list for 2016, or whether they will say that they've fixed it as it works in Office 365.

On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 11:18 AM Albert Ruel <albertruel@...> wrote:

I’m using Outlook 2016 and NVDA Version 2019.1.1 and can’t get it to read the AutoComplete list no matter what I do.  Perhaps I should turn off all the Add-ons I have active and test it with the bare bones. 

 

Thx, Albert

 

***

 

Albert A. Ruel, Parksville BC, Canada

AlbertRuel@...

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2019 5:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and the AutoComplete List in Outlook 2016

 

Using NVDA 2019.2rc2 and Office 365 (16.0.11901.20170), I found:

 

- When you start typing a name, it doesn't autocomplete however list of suggestions does show below.  Press the down arrow to select a name from the list, or tab to select the first item from the list and add it to the current field.

 

- The first time I start typing a name in a message, the list appears but nothing is read until I down arrow through the list.  If there is more than one item in the list, NVDA reads it.  If there is only one item, the focus doesn't move, so NVDA doesn't read.

 

- After the first time, NVDA reads the first suggestion as soon as the list appears.

 

We do have an issue for this here: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/8502  I just added a comment, but if anyone has any extra information, please feel free to comment on that issue.

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 9:49 AM Sky Mundell <skyt@...> wrote:

That’s very strange that it would work with JFW and not NVDA. Perhaps others on the list has some suggestions?

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Albert Ruel
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2019 4:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and the AutoComplete List in Outlook 2016

 

Skye, I’m using Outlook 2016 and JAWS 2019 as well as the latest version of NVDA.  It works well with JAWS and not with NVDA. 

 

***

 

Albert A. Ruel, Parksville BC, Canada

AlbertRuel@...

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sky Mundell
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2019 1:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and the AutoComplete List in Outlook 2016

 

Hello Albert. Sky here. I have tried typing in part of an email address using NVDA 2019.1. and it works fine on my end. What version of Outlook are you using?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Albert Ruel
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2019 1:10 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and the AutoComplete List in Outlook 2016

 

Hi all.  For some reason NVDA doesn’t speak the AutoComplete List when I start typing people’s names or their email addresses in the To, CC or BCC Lines in Outlook.  Am I missing something like an Add-on?  This seems like a feature that should be there like it is with JAWS and Narrator.  Any help will be greatly appreciated. 

 

Thx, Albert

 


 

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Training and Support Manager

 

NVDA 2019.2 RC 1 now available!

 



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Training and Support Manager

NVDA 2019.2 RC 1 now available!

Re: spell checking in word desktop in office 365

Dark Count <darkcount1@...>
 

Looks like the default key to go to next sentence for the sentence nav addon is conflicting and this is why I was not able to split on those buttons in the suggestion list

They use alt down and up arrows for sentence navigation.

I love my addons but I am running out of ot keys.

:))


Why MS decided to hide those buttons when ignore etc. are still around is beyond me.

<sigh>


D C



D C



On 8/12/2019 4:01 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Looks like Microsoft have been playing with it again!

Ok, looks like when you press F7 you now get a summary of how many spelling and grammatical errors there are and you can press ENTER to go to the first one.  Either an extra step or a useful bit of information, depending on how you look at things.

When you are presented with a spelling error, press tab or down arrow to the first suggestion then either tab or arrow through the list (or stay on the first one if it's what you want).  Once you've found the one you want, press ENTER to change this occurrence, or press alt+down arrow to open a drop-down list where you can choose "Read aloud" (L), "Spell Out" (no quick letter), "Change all" (A) or "Add to Autocorrect" (R).

Annoyingly, from the suggested change, you can't press alt+A to change all, you do have to open the drop-down list and then press A or select that option.



On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 8:50 AM Dark Count <darkcount1@...> wrote:
Hello.

I have just started working with office 365 and word.

Other than the odd looking spell checker dialog, the only thing that is
puzzling me is that I can't find the change all, and change buttons.

Within the suggestions list I hear split button but there does not seem
to be any way of activating them.

Very odd since the buttons for ignore and ignore all are all present.


Currently using NVDA 19.2 rc2

Any tricks?


Thanks,


D C








--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

NVDA 2019.2 RC 1 now available!

Re: NVDA and the AutoComplete List in Outlook 2016

Quentin Christensen
 

In that issue I linked to, there definitely was an issue reading any of the auto complete list in Outlook 2016.  I don't have 2016, but my testing in Outlook 365 indicates that the auto complete list does now work, with the caveat that it doesn't read fully the first time around.

The issue will likely be, whether Microsoft will be willing to fix the autocomplete list for 2016, or whether they will say that they've fixed it as it works in Office 365.

On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 11:18 AM Albert Ruel <albertruel@...> wrote:

I’m using Outlook 2016 and NVDA Version 2019.1.1 and can’t get it to read the AutoComplete list no matter what I do.  Perhaps I should turn off all the Add-ons I have active and test it with the bare bones. 

 

Thx, Albert

 

***

 

Albert A. Ruel, Parksville BC, Canada

AlbertRuel@...

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2019 5:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and the AutoComplete List in Outlook 2016

 

Using NVDA 2019.2rc2 and Office 365 (16.0.11901.20170), I found:

 

- When you start typing a name, it doesn't autocomplete however list of suggestions does show below.  Press the down arrow to select a name from the list, or tab to select the first item from the list and add it to the current field.

 

- The first time I start typing a name in a message, the list appears but nothing is read until I down arrow through the list.  If there is more than one item in the list, NVDA reads it.  If there is only one item, the focus doesn't move, so NVDA doesn't read.

 

- After the first time, NVDA reads the first suggestion as soon as the list appears.

 

We do have an issue for this here: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/8502  I just added a comment, but if anyone has any extra information, please feel free to comment on that issue.

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 9:49 AM Sky Mundell <skyt@...> wrote:

That’s very strange that it would work with JFW and not NVDA. Perhaps others on the list has some suggestions?

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Albert Ruel
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2019 4:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and the AutoComplete List in Outlook 2016

 

Skye, I’m using Outlook 2016 and JAWS 2019 as well as the latest version of NVDA.  It works well with JAWS and not with NVDA. 

 

***

 

Albert A. Ruel, Parksville BC, Canada

AlbertRuel@...

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sky Mundell
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2019 1:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and the AutoComplete List in Outlook 2016

 

Hello Albert. Sky here. I have tried typing in part of an email address using NVDA 2019.1. and it works fine on my end. What version of Outlook are you using?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Albert Ruel
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2019 1:10 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and the AutoComplete List in Outlook 2016

 

Hi all.  For some reason NVDA doesn’t speak the AutoComplete List when I start typing people’s names or their email addresses in the To, CC or BCC Lines in Outlook.  Am I missing something like an Add-on?  This seems like a feature that should be there like it is with JAWS and Narrator.  Any help will be greatly appreciated. 

 

Thx, Albert

 


 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 

NVDA 2019.2 RC 1 now available!

 



--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

NVDA 2019.2 RC 1 now available!

Re: NVDA and the AutoComplete List in Outlook 2016

Albert Ruel
 

I’m using Outlook 2016 and NVDA Version 2019.1.1 and can’t get it to read the AutoComplete list no matter what I do.  Perhaps I should turn off all the Add-ons I have active and test it with the bare bones. 

 

Thx, Albert

 

***

 

Albert A. Ruel, Parksville BC, Canada

AlbertRuel@...

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2019 5:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and the AutoComplete List in Outlook 2016

 

Using NVDA 2019.2rc2 and Office 365 (16.0.11901.20170), I found:

 

- When you start typing a name, it doesn't autocomplete however list of suggestions does show below.  Press the down arrow to select a name from the list, or tab to select the first item from the list and add it to the current field.

 

- The first time I start typing a name in a message, the list appears but nothing is read until I down arrow through the list.  If there is more than one item in the list, NVDA reads it.  If there is only one item, the focus doesn't move, so NVDA doesn't read.

 

- After the first time, NVDA reads the first suggestion as soon as the list appears.

 

We do have an issue for this here: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/8502  I just added a comment, but if anyone has any extra information, please feel free to comment on that issue.

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 9:49 AM Sky Mundell <skyt@...> wrote:

That’s very strange that it would work with JFW and not NVDA. Perhaps others on the list has some suggestions?

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Albert Ruel
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2019 4:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and the AutoComplete List in Outlook 2016

 

Skye, I’m using Outlook 2016 and JAWS 2019 as well as the latest version of NVDA.  It works well with JAWS and not with NVDA. 

 

***

 

Albert A. Ruel, Parksville BC, Canada

AlbertRuel@...

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sky Mundell
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2019 1:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and the AutoComplete List in Outlook 2016

 

Hello Albert. Sky here. I have tried typing in part of an email address using NVDA 2019.1. and it works fine on my end. What version of Outlook are you using?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Albert Ruel
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2019 1:10 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and the AutoComplete List in Outlook 2016

 

Hi all.  For some reason NVDA doesn’t speak the AutoComplete List when I start typing people’s names or their email addresses in the To, CC or BCC Lines in Outlook.  Am I missing something like an Add-on?  This seems like a feature that should be there like it is with JAWS and Narrator.  Any help will be greatly appreciated. 

 

Thx, Albert

 


 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 

NVDA 2019.2 RC 1 now available!

 

Re: NVDA and the AutoComplete List in Outlook 2016

Quentin Christensen
 

Using NVDA 2019.2rc2 and Office 365 (16.0.11901.20170), I found:

- When you start typing a name, it doesn't autocomplete however list of suggestions does show below.  Press the down arrow to select a name from the list, or tab to select the first item from the list and add it to the current field.

- The first time I start typing a name in a message, the list appears but nothing is read until I down arrow through the list.  If there is more than one item in the list, NVDA reads it.  If there is only one item, the focus doesn't move, so NVDA doesn't read.

- After the first time, NVDA reads the first suggestion as soon as the list appears.

We do have an issue for this here: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/8502  I just added a comment, but if anyone has any extra information, please feel free to comment on that issue.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 9:49 AM Sky Mundell <skyt@...> wrote:

That’s very strange that it would work with JFW and not NVDA. Perhaps others on the list has some suggestions?

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Albert Ruel
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2019 4:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and the AutoComplete List in Outlook 2016

 

Skye, I’m using Outlook 2016 and JAWS 2019 as well as the latest version of NVDA.  It works well with JAWS and not with NVDA. 

 

***

 

Albert A. Ruel, Parksville BC, Canada

AlbertRuel@...

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sky Mundell
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2019 1:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and the AutoComplete List in Outlook 2016

 

Hello Albert. Sky here. I have tried typing in part of an email address using NVDA 2019.1. and it works fine on my end. What version of Outlook are you using?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Albert Ruel
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2019 1:10 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and the AutoComplete List in Outlook 2016

 

Hi all.  For some reason NVDA doesn’t speak the AutoComplete List when I start typing people’s names or their email addresses in the To, CC or BCC Lines in Outlook.  Am I missing something like an Add-on?  This seems like a feature that should be there like it is with JAWS and Narrator.  Any help will be greatly appreciated. 

 

Thx, Albert

 



--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

NVDA 2019.2 RC 1 now available!

Re: NVDA and the AutoComplete List in Outlook 2016

Sky Mundell
 

That’s very strange that it would work with JFW and not NVDA. Perhaps others on the list has some suggestions?

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Albert Ruel
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2019 4:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and the AutoComplete List in Outlook 2016

 

Skye, I’m using Outlook 2016 and JAWS 2019 as well as the latest version of NVDA.  It works well with JAWS and not with NVDA. 

 

***

 

Albert A. Ruel, Parksville BC, Canada

AlbertRuel@...

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sky Mundell
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2019 1:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and the AutoComplete List in Outlook 2016

 

Hello Albert. Sky here. I have tried typing in part of an email address using NVDA 2019.1. and it works fine on my end. What version of Outlook are you using?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Albert Ruel
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2019 1:10 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and the AutoComplete List in Outlook 2016

 

Hi all.  For some reason NVDA doesn’t speak the AutoComplete List when I start typing people’s names or their email addresses in the To, CC or BCC Lines in Outlook.  Am I missing something like an Add-on?  This seems like a feature that should be there like it is with JAWS and Narrator.  Any help will be greatly appreciated. 

 

Thx, Albert

 

Re: NVDA and the AutoComplete List in Outlook 2016

Albert Ruel
 

Skye, I’m using Outlook 2016 and JAWS 2019 as well as the latest version of NVDA.  It works well with JAWS and not with NVDA. 

 

***

 

Albert A. Ruel, Parksville BC, Canada

AlbertRuel@...

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sky Mundell
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2019 1:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and the AutoComplete List in Outlook 2016

 

Hello Albert. Sky here. I have tried typing in part of an email address using NVDA 2019.1. and it works fine on my end. What version of Outlook are you using?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Albert Ruel
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2019 1:10 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and the AutoComplete List in Outlook 2016

 

Hi all.  For some reason NVDA doesn’t speak the AutoComplete List when I start typing people’s names or their email addresses in the To, CC or BCC Lines in Outlook.  Am I missing something like an Add-on?  This seems like a feature that should be there like it is with JAWS and Narrator.  Any help will be greatly appreciated. 

 

Thx, Albert