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Re: Audio theme 3d - request of removal from the official website due to missing maintenance

Kevin Cussick
 

I agree as well.

On 21/08/2019 23:28, Ian Blackburn wrote:
I totally agree with this approach this was the problem with window eyes this seems to be every ad on known to window eyes on its archive with no check whether it still worked
On 22 Aug 2019, at 6:16 am, Adriani Botez <adriani.botez@... <mailto:adriani.botez@...>> wrote:
Hello all,
to clarify abit my request, with incompatible addons I meant the addons where no maintenance is given, where we lost contact to the author etc. Those addons should in my opinion go offline for a period until a maintainer is found.
For developers, the old versions of every addon can be found most often on github anyway. For the users, it is important that people do not run into issues and do not get the impression that NVDA is getting worse. We want to avoid huge workloads which could arise if people report unrelated issues on github, driving long discussions in which at the end it comes out the issue was caused by an old addon.
The justification for my request is as follows:
The community has implemented rules and processes for addons which can be posted on the website. That’s why we have a community review for every new addon at all. And by the way, the community review contains also compatibility checks. If this is not given, the new addon is not being posted. So is it not unfair to have an old and abandoned addon on the website while other engaged authors create new addons and apply for a review but they do not get posted? In my view, the addons website should guarantee security and compatibility for users. Otherwise we can drop all our review rules and processes and can post anything on the website.
But note that this official addons website is also the face of the NVDA community when it comes to corporate environments. We must make sure that people are able to bring arguments when security questions are raised. How should users bring reliable arguments when incompatible addons and most important, addons which cause significant bugs, can be downloaded from the official website?
So the question is, what should be the purpose of an official addon website? If you expect the addons website to be an archive for all kinds of old and incompatible addons along with new addons, then we do not need to spend time and ressources on reviewing addons at all. But I hope the community will not choose this way.
Best regards
Adriani
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*Betreff:* Audio theme 3d - request of removal from the official website due to missing maintenance
Dear all,
with this message I request the community to remove the audiotheme 3d from the website and from the translations system because it seems we cannot find someone who maintain it. This addon causes problems in NVDA 2019.2 (i.e. NVDA does not announce elements on desktop after closing applications). It will also cause problems if the compatibility is not being updated.
To avoid invalid issues in NVDA’s repository on github, I further suggest to remove all incompatible addons from the website once NVDA 2019.3 comes out. Otherwise people, especially beginners, will download incompatible addons and will run into issues.
The authors are very welcome to request a re-integration of their addons on the website as soon as the compatibility flags are updated.
Thanks for your understanding.
Best regards
Adriani

Re: NVDA pronouncing cups as Cuban Pesos

 

Suzy,

      I just did the default dictionary entry using cup/Cup as described earlier, and made sure to make the context "Whole Word" at the end of the dialog, as I don't want, say, "cupid" mispronounced, and it definitely works.   I used the webpage you reference for testing.

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Re: Office 2016 versus Office 365 with NVDA

Dark Count <darkcount1@...>
 

There is a bit of confusion it seems going on.

There are two versions of office 365. The online version, and the actual installed version.

This is because the online version uses other hot keys and it is cloud based.


The installed version behaves more like the conventional desktop version most of us are used to dealing with.

The difference is that they will push updates monthly and so an online connection is required for this to happen.

However it will work offline as well, you just won't get the updates.

This is also a subscription based product, monthly or yearly unlike the desktop versions which you can use indefinitely.

Again, all files are stored on your computer unless you decide to use cloud services.


The installed version of 365 as I said works just like the desktop version with the exception of some dialogs, including the spell checker which adds a bit more tools, but all in my experience accessible.


The desktop versions will run you a bit more cash and won't be updated as often.


A subscription to 365 gives you access to the cloud based app as well as the installed downloads.


The cloud app is a bit different as it is a web based application with its own hot keys and work arounds, and it is mostly accessible and getting better all the time.

But again, to be clear it is a cloud based application which you can decide to use or not.


Yes, in my humble opinion MS could make the descriptions a bit more clear to all as there not only several flavors of office, but each subscription package gives access to certain things.

One such subscription lets you install 365 on one machine, while you can still use the cloud based app in other machines with your account.

Another will allow you to install the app in up to five computers.

I personally grabbed the cheapest I could find as this is all I need.

So I can use the installed application on one pc, but could use my tablet if I log on to the account and use the cloud based app.


I hope this clears things a bit.


D C


On 8/22/2019 7:05 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 10:01 AM, Sam Bushman wrote:
Depending on the version [of Office 365] you purchase you may be able to download actual installable software.
Absolutely.   Microsoft has made as many versions/editions of Office as one could care to think about, and many one would prefer not to.   They also push Office 365, regardless of the variant, as being "the only Office available" if one takes office.microsoft.com seriously.

Were I to be buying Office new these days, it would be Office 2019, which was released last fall.
 
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Re: NVDA pronouncing cups as Cuban Pesos

Suzy
 

Try this link. https://www.seriouseats.com/recipes/2010/03/bay-scallops-dinner-recipe.html
I used Chrome to locate and read this recipe. When cup appeared, in the list of ingredients, Cuban Pesos was announced instead.
I also copied and pasted the ingredients into Notepad and Word. Again, I heard Cuban Pesos. 
I am using windows 10 1903 (sorry. I can't seem to locate the actual version number.), Onecore voices, and NVDA 2019.2. All updates I know about are applied.
I plan to add Brian's entry to my dictionary. I am tired of ignoring this misspeech.
Suzy

Google docs in chrome - reading/editing tables?

Aine Kelly Costello
 

Hi all,

 

I’m struggling using tables in docs with Chrome. In browse mode, I can navigate them just fine. In the editing mode though, I can’t, navigation is patchy and seems to move me only by small increments such as two or three characters at a time. I figured I’d get around that by navigating in browse mode and then using capslock space to change modes when I want to input text. Except when you do that, docs pings you back up to the top of your doc. Suggestions please? Anyone got this working well?

 

Cheers,

 

Áine

 

Re: Office 2016 versus Office 365 with NVDA

Ralf Kefferpuetz
 

Both are very good Office packes and you can work for sure very good in Office 2016 with NVDA. The only thing I can remember is that the TO, CC and BCC fields in Outlook 2016 don’t give an autosuggestion when starting typing a name.

 

Best,

  Ralf

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Aine Kelly Costello
Sent: Donnerstag, 22. August 2019 14:39
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Office 2016 versus Office 365 with NVDA

 

Hi all,

 

I wondered whether people know if there are any substantial accessibility differences between Office 2016 and Office 365 with NVDA? It seems my university gives us automatic access to 2016, but not 365, so just wondering if I need to ask for 365.

 

Many thanks,

 

Best wishes,

 

Áine

Re: Nvda on Usb

Sarah k Alawami
 

Yeah I have my stuff labeled so for me it's no big really. I's not the standard but for me it's works, and for me that's what I'll stick to.

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On 22 Aug 2019, at 8:08, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 10:48 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
I dedicate 1 drive for 1 piece of activity so for me nvda is in the / of the folder.
Not an unreasonable practice, but I'd have way too many USB thumb drives were this to be my standard practice!!   I try to keep my equipment clutter, including stuff like thumb drives, to the minimum possible.
 
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Re: Nvda on Usb

 

On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 10:48 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
I dedicate 1 drive for 1 piece of activity so for me nvda is in the / of the folder.
Not an unreasonable practice, but I'd have way too many USB thumb drives were this to be my standard practice!!   I try to keep my equipment clutter, including stuff like thumb drives, to the minimum possible.
 
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Re: NVDA pronouncing cups as Cuban Pesos

 

On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 10:56 AM, Brice Mijares wrote:
Also some songs with the Mp3 extension say Mariana Islands
Fascinating.   It has to be the same sort of "very context specific" thing going on.   What context would trigger a .mp3 extension to be pronounced as Mariana Islands would be interesting to ferret out.    At least that one, to me, would be less annoying if it happened very occasionally, since I know when I'm dealing with folders full of mp3 files.

Having "Cuban pesos" be read repeatedly when you're trying to review a recipe (and you often have to check and recheck when cooking with one) is utterly maddening.

 
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Re: CodeFactory eloquence&vocalizer addon and sapi5 eloquence

Josh Kennedy
 

I got a message from atguys on twitter saying that codeFactory is updating eloquence for python3.

Re: NVDA pronouncing cups as Cuban Pesos

Brice Mijares
 

I reported this behavior a few years ago. Also some songs with the Mp3 extension say Mariana Islands

On 8/21/2019 8:36 PM, Sile via Groups.Io wrote:
I have also had this issue, and changed the pronunciation in the dictionary. But yes, the response from NVDA is inconsistent.
Sile
On Aug 21, 2019, at 10:56 PM, Jean <jmarcleyhaha@... <mailto:jmarcleyhaha@...>> wrote:

I have changed this in the dictionary and it works sometimes, but not all the time.

Jean

Jean Marcley

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Re: Nvda on Usb

Sarah k Alawami
 

I dedicate 1 drive for 1 piece of activity so for me nvda is in the / of the folder.

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website. This is also our libsyn page as well.
For stuff we sell, mac training materials and  tutorials go here.
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Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 22 Aug 2019, at 7:45, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 10:17 AM, Gene wrote:
But to keep files from being splattered on the drive without a folder, I think its better to have the files in a folder.  If you don't, they will be on the root of the drive or thumb drive.
I agree.   Some things that create portable copies also create a dedicated folder for same, others don't, and NVDA doesn't.

If I intend to have a portable copy of NVDA on a drive where I want lots of other stuff, I do as you've said elsewhere, create an NVDA folder, and move everything there.

But knowing how NVDA behaves when creating a portable copy, I don't ever create those on a drive where I already have lots of other data, as picking up all the pieces and sweeping them into a dedicated NVDA folder becomes much more difficult.   Instead, I create that portable copy on a blank drive, create an NVDA folder on the drive where I actually want it, then copy over the content from the other drive with a simple "select all/CTRL+A" to get it all at once.

This is a "live and learn" situation with each and every piece of portable software, depending on the behavior of what creates it.
 
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Re: Nvda on Usb

 

On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 10:17 AM, Gene wrote:
But to keep files from being splattered on the drive without a folder, I think its better to have the files in a folder.  If you don't, they will be on the root of the drive or thumb drive.
I agree.   Some things that create portable copies also create a dedicated folder for same, others don't, and NVDA doesn't.

If I intend to have a portable copy of NVDA on a drive where I want lots of other stuff, I do as you've said elsewhere, create an NVDA folder, and move everything there.

But knowing how NVDA behaves when creating a portable copy, I don't ever create those on a drive where I already have lots of other data, as picking up all the pieces and sweeping them into a dedicated NVDA folder becomes much more difficult.   Instead, I create that portable copy on a blank drive, create an NVDA folder on the drive where I actually want it, then copy over the content from the other drive with a simple "select all/CTRL+A" to get it all at once.

This is a "live and learn" situation with each and every piece of portable software, depending on the behavior of what creates it.
 
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Re: Nvda portable version

Gene
 

Create a folder on the thumb drive just as you would anywhere.  If the files are the only thing on the drive, select all with control a. Then cut them, control x, open the folder, and paste them there, control v. 
The files will all now be in a folder.  You don't use the installer on the portable version.  Just delete the files.
 
I have said before that it is not good practice for the installer not to create a folder when it is creating the portable version.  This is an example of why. 
 
I experimented once to make sure if a folder is created and it isn't.  the files were splattered all over the folder I was creating the portable version in, along with all the other subfolders and other unrelated files in that folder. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2019 9:08 AM
Subject: [nvda] Nvda portable version

Hi all in this group,

I created portable version on usb flashdisk, but I found out, that the
installer did not create the folder Nvda. I want the portable version
uninstall from usb, but the uninstaller does not work.

I found this message:

Error launching installer


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Jarek



Re: Nvda portable version

 

There is no uninstaller for a portable version.   You just delete it.

If you had nothing else on that drive, then open the drive, create a folder named NVDA, then select all else on the drive and move it to that folder.

If you want the drive space available again then just delete the files on it or format it again.

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Re: Nvda on Usb

Gene
 

You can have it wherever you want, in a folder or not, and copy or move it anywhere, to another drive, thumb, external hard drive, etc.
 
But to keep files from being splattered on the drive without a folder, I think its better to have the files in a folder.  If you don't, they will be on the root of the drive or thumb drive.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2019 9:08 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Nvda on Usb

It's been ages since I last played with this, but if memory serves once you've created the portable version of NVDA on a USB drive you are free to create a folder for it and move it there and/or create separate folders for other stuff on that drive.

We're not talking about a bootable drive, just a drive that has a portable edition of NVDA on it.   In all other respects the drive is free game for storing things in other folders.

I'm sure someone will correct me if my memory is not serving.
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Nvda portable version

Jarek.Krcmar
 

Hi all in this group,

I created portable version on usb flashdisk, but I found out, that the installer did not create the folder Nvda. I want the portable version uninstall from usb, but the uninstaller does not work.

I found this message:

Error launching installer


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Jarek

Re: Nvda on Usb

 

It's been ages since I last played with this, but if memory serves once you've created the portable version of NVDA on a USB drive you are free to create a folder for it and move it there and/or create separate folders for other stuff on that drive.

We're not talking about a bootable drive, just a drive that has a portable edition of NVDA on it.   In all other respects the drive is free game for storing things in other folders.

I'm sure someone will correct me if my memory is not serving.
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Re: Office 2016 versus Office 365 with NVDA

 

On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 10:01 AM, Sam Bushman wrote:
Depending on the version [of Office 365] you purchase you may be able to download actual installable software.
Absolutely.   Microsoft has made as many versions/editions of Office as one could care to think about, and many one would prefer not to.   They also push Office 365, regardless of the variant, as being "the only Office available" if one takes office.microsoft.com seriously.

Were I to be buying Office new these days, it would be Office 2019, which was released last fall.
 
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Office 2016 versus Office 365 with NVDA

Sam Bushman
 

                                           Sorry for the miss statement I ment to say office 365 is an online product.

Depending on the version you purchase you may be able to download actual installable software.

 

 

From: libertyroundtable@... <libertyroundtable@...>
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2019 7:04 AM
To: 'nvda@nvda.groups.io' <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: RE: [nvda] Office 2016 versus Office 365 with NVDA

 

Office 2016 is an online product. Least expensive options are only online apps.

If you purchase the more expensive / business versions then you can actually download and install office.

Once you get the more expensive downloadable version of 2016 they are the same – mainly how they are distributed is the difference.

But, don’t purchase the least expensive option – it will not work with speech well.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2019 7:00 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Office 2016 versus Office 365 with NVDA

 

The two are very, very similar.   I also prefer the conventional "local installed" versions of Office like Office 2016 to Office 365.

I cannot speak definitively as I am not using both at one time at the moment.  But I use Office 2016 daily and have tutored JAWS and every Office version since either 2007 or 2010 (I can't remember which at the moment).   On the whole, "Office is Office," from an accessibility standpoint.   The core functions have remained the same forever, as have the keyboard shortcuts for same.

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