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Re: setting Firefox as default browser using NVDA

Dan Beaver
 

Ok, now this is just crazy.


I decided to try setting the browser to Brave which I have been using for a while and see if that would stick.  It did.  I next went into settings and set the browser back to Firefox and now it is sticking and working as it should.  this is just nuts.


Thanks for all the suggestions.


Dan Beaver

On 8/22/2019 4:46 PM, Dan wrote:

Brian,


I have tried that several times now and have even rebooted my system between tries and it still  doesn't stick.  I really do not understand what is happening here.


When I just tried it again when I click on the browser button it showed Firefox as being the default browser.  I clicked on it and then clicked on Firefox to make sure it was set and still it doesn't stick.


Maybe there is something wrong with Win 10 on my system and it isn't saving the settings in the place that Firefox is expecting it.  Not sure what is going on. 


Thanks for the suggestion though.


Dan Beaver

On 8/22/2019 4:36 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
As a general note, setting anything as default under Windows 10 must be done in Windows 10 Settings, Apps, Default apps.

The "in program" dialogs are an anachronism that "don't stick" under Windows 10.   Those programmers who wanted to make their "in program" dialogs Windows Version agnostic query whether they're running under Windows 10 or not, then if they are actually trigger that Windows 10 Settings dialog to open to the correct pane and item to allow you to switch it.

I don't even bother "in program" anymore but just go to the Apps, Default Apps and handle it there.
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Re: setting Firefox as default browser using NVDA

Gene
 

it sounds like a registry problem.  I don't know if anyone will be able to tell you how you ight solve it. 
 
All that default browser means is that something will open in Firefox if you press enter on it, such as if you press enter on a link in an e-mail.  But there are other easy ways to open something in the browser you wish.  They require a little more work, but since you evidently can't set the default browser to Firefox, an example is that, when you are on a link in an e-mail, open the context menu.  You will probably find something like copy link or something similar.  Pressing enter will copy the address to the clipboard.  Then paste it into the browser's address bar, press enter, and the page will open.  I regularly use that method.  I havbe one browser as my default because I want certain very specific things to open most easily.  But in general, I want to use another browser.
 
Gene

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From: Dan Beaver
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2019 3:46 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] setting Firefox as default browser using NVDA

Brian,


I have tried that several times now and have even rebooted my system between tries and it still  doesn't stick.  I really do not understand what is happening here.


When I just tried it again when I click on the browser button it showed Firefox as being the default browser.  I clicked on it and then clicked on Firefox to make sure it was set and still it doesn't stick.


Maybe there is something wrong with Win 10 on my system and it isn't saving the settings in the place that Firefox is expecting it.  Not sure what is going on. 


Thanks for the suggestion though.


Dan Beaver

On 8/22/2019 4:36 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
As a general note, setting anything as default under Windows 10 must be done in Windows 10 Settings, Apps, Default apps.

The "in program" dialogs are an anachronism that "don't stick" under Windows 10.   Those programmers who wanted to make their "in program" dialogs Windows Version agnostic query whether they're running under Windows 10 or not, then if they are actually trigger that Windows 10 Settings dialog to open to the correct pane and item to allow you to switch it.

I don't even bother "in program" anymore but just go to the Apps, Default Apps and handle it there.
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Re: setting Firefox as default browser using NVDA

Dan Beaver
 

Brian,


I have tried that several times now and have even rebooted my system between tries and it still  doesn't stick.  I really do not understand what is happening here.


When I just tried it again when I click on the browser button it showed Firefox as being the default browser.  I clicked on it and then clicked on Firefox to make sure it was set and still it doesn't stick.


Maybe there is something wrong with Win 10 on my system and it isn't saving the settings in the place that Firefox is expecting it.  Not sure what is going on. 


Thanks for the suggestion though.


Dan Beaver

On 8/22/2019 4:36 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
As a general note, setting anything as default under Windows 10 must be done in Windows 10 Settings, Apps, Default apps.

The "in program" dialogs are an anachronism that "don't stick" under Windows 10.   Those programmers who wanted to make their "in program" dialogs Windows Version agnostic query whether they're running under Windows 10 or not, then if they are actually trigger that Windows 10 Settings dialog to open to the correct pane and item to allow you to switch it.

I don't even bother "in program" anymore but just go to the Apps, Default Apps and handle it there.
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The color of truth is grey.

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Golden Cursor (or any Alternatives) Question

 

This topic just appeared on the JAWS group:  https://jfw.groups.io/g/main/message/71568

Since the poster describes the situation exactly, and gives the steps to get where the problem occurs, I won't repeat those here.

I have responded there that when I'm using NVDA if I'm mousing around the screen "the usual way" all of the options are actually read to me as the mouse is over them, but if I tab through them they are not.  What's even weirder is if I fire up the elements list the number of links shown does not correspond to what's on the page.  Very peculiar.

But, I thought, what about using Golden Cursor to mouse around the page, so I did.   My problem is that as I glide down the page vertically and move off of the bottom of one "button" [they're not really, but that's what they look like, and they're supposed to all be links, but not all are in the elements list] to the very top of the next I do get the full announcement of what needs to be heard that's on that "button" option.  However, if you can't see that bottom of one, top of another coming, the announcement of the pixel coordinate as you move makes it very hard indeed to know that you've hit a transition.

Is there a way to intentionally silence the coordinate reading aspect of Golden Cursor when using it as a keyboard substitute for "mousing around" on the screen to hear what's under the mouse rather than caring in particular exactly where the mouse is at the moment?   These "buttons" literally span the breadth of the screen, so once the mouse is focused on any one of them via up/down movement it can be activated, which is the ultimate goal, but I don't care where it is, I just want to hear what's beneath the mouse like I do if I'm moving the mouse itself without Golden Cursor involved.

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Re: setting Firefox as default browser using NVDA

 

As a general note, setting anything as default under Windows 10 must be done in Windows 10 Settings, Apps, Default apps.

The "in program" dialogs are an anachronism that "don't stick" under Windows 10.   Those programmers who wanted to make their "in program" dialogs Windows Version agnostic query whether they're running under Windows 10 or not, then if they are actually trigger that Windows 10 Settings dialog to open to the correct pane and item to allow you to switch it.

I don't even bother "in program" anymore but just go to the Apps, Default Apps and handle it there.
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The color of truth is grey.

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Re: setting Firefox as default browser using NVDA

Dan Beaver
 

Sorry, but this is just a shortcut way to get to the settings area for the default browser.  I did that and it doesn't stay set.


Dan Beaver

On 8/22/2019 4:20 PM, Chris via Groups.Io wrote:

If you type in default browser in search it should come up with choose default browser select that to open up the default settings and select Firefox for your default browser

 

 

From: Dan Beaver
Sent: 22 August 2019 21:14
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] setting Firefox as default browser using NVDA

 

I am trying to make Firefox my default browser.  I have the latest update to Firefox and am using the latest master branch of NVDA.  I am running under Win 10.

 

When I open Firefox it comes up with the "Firefox is not your default browser" dialog.  I click on the appropriate buttons and set Firefox as the default browser but every time I restart Firefox it still wants me to make it the default.

 

I am thinking that perhaps there is a dialog popping up that NVDA is not seeing and reporting to me but I am not sure of this.

 

Has anyone else had this issue and if so did you find a solution to it?

 

Thanks.

 

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Re: Nvda on Usb

Kevin Cussick
 

Hi, agreed. it is to bad that Nvda still splatters the files all over the drive it should create an Nvda folder just saying.

On 22/08/2019 15:45, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 10:17 AM, Gene wrote:
But to keep files from being splattered on the drive without a
folder, I think its better to have the files in a folder.  If you
don't, they will be on the root of the drive or thumb drive.
I agree.   Some things that create portable copies also create a dedicated folder for same, others don't, and NVDA doesn't.
If I intend to have a portable copy of NVDA on a drive where I want lots of other stuff, I do as you've said elsewhere, create an NVDA folder, and move everything there.
But knowing how NVDA behaves when creating a portable copy, I don't ever create those on a drive where I already have lots of other data, as picking up all the pieces and sweeping them into a dedicated NVDA folder becomes much more difficult.   Instead, I create that portable copy on a blank drive, create an NVDA folder on the drive where I actually want it, then copy over the content from the other drive with a simple "select all/CTRL+A" to get it all at once.
This is a "live and learn" situation with each and every piece of portable software, depending on the behavior of what creates it.
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Re: setting Firefox as default browser using NVDA

Chris
 

If you type in default browser in search it should come up with choose default browser select that to open up the default settings and select Firefox for your default browser

 

 

From: Dan Beaver
Sent: 22 August 2019 21:14
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] setting Firefox as default browser using NVDA

 

I am trying to make Firefox my default browser.  I have the latest update to Firefox and am using the latest master branch of NVDA.  I am running under Win 10.

 

When I open Firefox it comes up with the "Firefox is not your default browser" dialog.  I click on the appropriate buttons and set Firefox as the default browser but every time I restart Firefox it still wants me to make it the default.

 

I am thinking that perhaps there is a dialog popping up that NVDA is not seeing and reporting to me but I am not sure of this.

 

Has anyone else had this issue and if so did you find a solution to it?

 

Thanks.

 

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setting Firefox as default browser using NVDA

Dan Beaver
 

I am trying to make Firefox my default browser.  I have the latest update to Firefox and am using the latest master branch of NVDA.  I am running under Win 10.


When I open Firefox it comes up with the "Firefox is not your default browser" dialog.  I click on the appropriate buttons and set Firefox as the default browser but every time I restart Firefox it still wants me to make it the default.


I am thinking that perhaps there is a dialog popping up that NVDA is not seeing and reporting to me but I am not sure of this.


Has anyone else had this issue and if so did you find a solution to it?


Thanks.


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Google Drive and NVDA and Windows

Dan Beaver
 

Hi,


I am trying to setup google drive on my Win 10 laptop.  I have downloaded the "backup and synch" program from google and have installed it.  However, when I click on the Backup and synch app it does nothing that I can tell.


Has anyone else been successful in installing this thing and using it?


Thanks.



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Re: Audio theme 3d - request of removal from the official website due to missing maintenance

Kevin Cussick
 

I agree as well.

On 21/08/2019 23:28, Ian Blackburn wrote:
I totally agree with this approach this was the problem with window eyes this seems to be every ad on known to window eyes on its archive with no check whether it still worked
On 22 Aug 2019, at 6:16 am, Adriani Botez <adriani.botez@... <mailto:adriani.botez@...>> wrote:
Hello all,
to clarify abit my request, with incompatible addons I meant the addons where no maintenance is given, where we lost contact to the author etc. Those addons should in my opinion go offline for a period until a maintainer is found.
For developers, the old versions of every addon can be found most often on github anyway. For the users, it is important that people do not run into issues and do not get the impression that NVDA is getting worse. We want to avoid huge workloads which could arise if people report unrelated issues on github, driving long discussions in which at the end it comes out the issue was caused by an old addon.
The justification for my request is as follows:
The community has implemented rules and processes for addons which can be posted on the website. That’s why we have a community review for every new addon at all. And by the way, the community review contains also compatibility checks. If this is not given, the new addon is not being posted. So is it not unfair to have an old and abandoned addon on the website while other engaged authors create new addons and apply for a review but they do not get posted? In my view, the addons website should guarantee security and compatibility for users. Otherwise we can drop all our review rules and processes and can post anything on the website.
But note that this official addons website is also the face of the NVDA community when it comes to corporate environments. We must make sure that people are able to bring arguments when security questions are raised. How should users bring reliable arguments when incompatible addons and most important, addons which cause significant bugs, can be downloaded from the official website?
So the question is, what should be the purpose of an official addon website? If you expect the addons website to be an archive for all kinds of old and incompatible addons along with new addons, then we do not need to spend time and ressources on reviewing addons at all. But I hope the community will not choose this way.
Best regards
Adriani
*Von:* adriani.botez@... <mailto:adriani.botez@...> <adriani.botez@... <mailto:adriani.botez@...>>
*Gesendet:* Mittwoch, 21. August 2019 19:04
*An:* nvda-addons@nvda-addons.groups.io <mailto:nvda-addons@nvda-addons.groups.io>
*Cc:* nvda-translations@groups.io <mailto:nvda-translations@groups.io>; nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Betreff:* Audio theme 3d - request of removal from the official website due to missing maintenance
Dear all,
with this message I request the community to remove the audiotheme 3d from the website and from the translations system because it seems we cannot find someone who maintain it. This addon causes problems in NVDA 2019.2 (i.e. NVDA does not announce elements on desktop after closing applications). It will also cause problems if the compatibility is not being updated.
To avoid invalid issues in NVDA’s repository on github, I further suggest to remove all incompatible addons from the website once NVDA 2019.3 comes out. Otherwise people, especially beginners, will download incompatible addons and will run into issues.
The authors are very welcome to request a re-integration of their addons on the website as soon as the compatibility flags are updated.
Thanks for your understanding.
Best regards
Adriani


Re: NVDA pronouncing cups as Cuban Pesos

 

Suzy,

      I just did the default dictionary entry using cup/Cup as described earlier, and made sure to make the context "Whole Word" at the end of the dialog, as I don't want, say, "cupid" mispronounced, and it definitely works.   I used the webpage you reference for testing.

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Re: Office 2016 versus Office 365 with NVDA

Dark Count
 

There is a bit of confusion it seems going on.

There are two versions of office 365. The online version, and the actual installed version.

This is because the online version uses other hot keys and it is cloud based.


The installed version behaves more like the conventional desktop version most of us are used to dealing with.

The difference is that they will push updates monthly and so an online connection is required for this to happen.

However it will work offline as well, you just won't get the updates.

This is also a subscription based product, monthly or yearly unlike the desktop versions which you can use indefinitely.

Again, all files are stored on your computer unless you decide to use cloud services.


The installed version of 365 as I said works just like the desktop version with the exception of some dialogs, including the spell checker which adds a bit more tools, but all in my experience accessible.


The desktop versions will run you a bit more cash and won't be updated as often.


A subscription to 365 gives you access to the cloud based app as well as the installed downloads.


The cloud app is a bit different as it is a web based application with its own hot keys and work arounds, and it is mostly accessible and getting better all the time.

But again, to be clear it is a cloud based application which you can decide to use or not.


Yes, in my humble opinion MS could make the descriptions a bit more clear to all as there not only several flavors of office, but each subscription package gives access to certain things.

One such subscription lets you install 365 on one machine, while you can still use the cloud based app in other machines with your account.

Another will allow you to install the app in up to five computers.

I personally grabbed the cheapest I could find as this is all I need.

So I can use the installed application on one pc, but could use my tablet if I log on to the account and use the cloud based app.


I hope this clears things a bit.


D C


On 8/22/2019 7:05 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 10:01 AM, Sam Bushman wrote:
Depending on the version [of Office 365] you purchase you may be able to download actual installable software.
Absolutely.   Microsoft has made as many versions/editions of Office as one could care to think about, and many one would prefer not to.   They also push Office 365, regardless of the variant, as being "the only Office available" if one takes office.microsoft.com seriously.

Were I to be buying Office new these days, it would be Office 2019, which was released last fall.
 
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Re: NVDA pronouncing cups as Cuban Pesos

Suzy
 

Try this link. https://www.seriouseats.com/recipes/2010/03/bay-scallops-dinner-recipe.html
I used Chrome to locate and read this recipe. When cup appeared, in the list of ingredients, Cuban Pesos was announced instead.
I also copied and pasted the ingredients into Notepad and Word. Again, I heard Cuban Pesos. 
I am using windows 10 1903 (sorry. I can't seem to locate the actual version number.), Onecore voices, and NVDA 2019.2. All updates I know about are applied.
I plan to add Brian's entry to my dictionary. I am tired of ignoring this misspeech.
Suzy


Google docs in chrome - reading/editing tables?

Aine Kelly Costello
 

Hi all,

 

I’m struggling using tables in docs with Chrome. In browse mode, I can navigate them just fine. In the editing mode though, I can’t, navigation is patchy and seems to move me only by small increments such as two or three characters at a time. I figured I’d get around that by navigating in browse mode and then using capslock space to change modes when I want to input text. Except when you do that, docs pings you back up to the top of your doc. Suggestions please? Anyone got this working well?

 

Cheers,

 

Áine

 


Re: Office 2016 versus Office 365 with NVDA

Ralf Kefferpuetz
 

Both are very good Office packes and you can work for sure very good in Office 2016 with NVDA. The only thing I can remember is that the TO, CC and BCC fields in Outlook 2016 don’t give an autosuggestion when starting typing a name.

 

Best,

  Ralf

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Aine Kelly Costello
Sent: Donnerstag, 22. August 2019 14:39
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Office 2016 versus Office 365 with NVDA

 

Hi all,

 

I wondered whether people know if there are any substantial accessibility differences between Office 2016 and Office 365 with NVDA? It seems my university gives us automatic access to 2016, but not 365, so just wondering if I need to ask for 365.

 

Many thanks,

 

Best wishes,

 

Áine


Re: Nvda on Usb

Sarah k Alawami
 

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On 22 Aug 2019, at 8:08, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 10:48 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
I dedicate 1 drive for 1 piece of activity so for me nvda is in the / of the folder.
Not an unreasonable practice, but I'd have way too many USB thumb drives were this to be my standard practice!!   I try to keep my equipment clutter, including stuff like thumb drives, to the minimum possible.
 
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Re: Nvda on Usb

 

On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 10:48 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
I dedicate 1 drive for 1 piece of activity so for me nvda is in the / of the folder.
Not an unreasonable practice, but I'd have way too many USB thumb drives were this to be my standard practice!!   I try to keep my equipment clutter, including stuff like thumb drives, to the minimum possible.
 
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Re: NVDA pronouncing cups as Cuban Pesos

 

On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 10:56 AM, Brice Mijares wrote:
Also some songs with the Mp3 extension say Mariana Islands
Fascinating.   It has to be the same sort of "very context specific" thing going on.   What context would trigger a .mp3 extension to be pronounced as Mariana Islands would be interesting to ferret out.    At least that one, to me, would be less annoying if it happened very occasionally, since I know when I'm dealing with folders full of mp3 files.

Having "Cuban pesos" be read repeatedly when you're trying to review a recipe (and you often have to check and recheck when cooking with one) is utterly maddening.

 
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Re: CodeFactory eloquence&vocalizer addon and sapi5 eloquence

Josh Kennedy
 

I got a message from atguys on twitter saying that codeFactory is updating eloquence for python3.