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Re: NVDA in Employment

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Kelly,

I see the skim reading question has been addressed, and I'll leave others to answer which screen reader they prefer, but in terms of using NVDA in a work environment, we certainly do have a lot of users who use NVDA in that context, both employees and also employers or institutions setting up NVDA in say, university labs, libraries or other public computers.

For anyone looking into this either as an employer or an employee looking for information for their workplace, we have a page at https://www.nvaccess.org/corporate-government/ which answers a lot of common questions (including the security options within NVDA, and addressing the (unfounded) concern around the security of open-source software.

If anyone (or any potential employers) have any lingering concerns, please do get in touch (or get them in touch) with us - info@... is the easiest way - and we'd be happy to discuss any concerns.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Sun, Aug 25, 2019 at 9:38 PM kelby carlson <kelbycarlson@...> wrote:
Hi, everyone,

I hope this isn't too off-topic. I recently heard an argument that NVDA is bad for blind prospect's in employment because it is the "dumbed down" solution. The person arguing this elaborated, saying that NVDA is not customizable/flexible enough (too chatty"), that it was not able to be scripted as easily, it didn't work well with as much proprietary software, and that it wouldn't be allowed on secure environments due to being open source.

So my question is this: how many people here use NVDA for work, and is there a notable dilerence in level of usability with JAWS?

Also, does NVDA have a skim reading feature like JAWS?





--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

NVDA in Employment

Alexandre Alves Toco
 

I am very ancious to come back to use nvda at work. For now, the bug that makes nvda double read treeview itens in eclipse make my life very difficult.

So I have to go back to na old jaws version that reads treeviews in eclipse correctly.

I pray to have this bug fixed so I could return to nvda.

 

Enviado do Email para Windows 10

 

De: Tony Malykh
Enviado:domingo, 25 de agosto de 2019 18:09
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: Re: [nvda] NVDA in Emploandenp

 

My two cents: I use NVDA at work. My reasons are:

1. Superior scripting. I wrote half a dozen NVDA add-ons that greatly

boost my productivity. For example, IndentNav, TextNav, BrowserNav.

Writing similar scripts for Jaws would be hard since I'd have to learn

new scripting language, and I was told (correct me if I'm wrong) some of

my add-ons would be impossible to implement in Jaws scripting model

since it is more limited in nature.

2. Better maintenance. Let's be honest, both NVDA and Jaws do have bugs.

However I am delighted to observe that NVDA bugs do get fixed in a very

timely fashion. An example of that would be recent breakage of

Notepad++, that was fixed within only 10 days. To give you example from

the other side, command prompt in Jaws had been broken for two years

(approximately entire 2016 and 2017) and all my attempts to talk to Jaws

customer support ended up with pretty generic messages "we're working

hard on it, but it's not our fault anyways." This was actually the

reason why I switched to NVDA - it is hard to keep your job knowing that

an essential tool can get broken for years.

> it wouldn't be allowed on secure environments due to being open source.

It is allowed at my work. Now I've indeed heard of cases when IT

department wouldn't allow you to use NVDA with this excuse. It is

important to understand the difference between real reasons and excuses.

This one sounds to me like an excuse - there is nothing whatsoever in

open-source software that makes it inherently insecure. However there

are people in IT departments, who are lazy, and sometimes dumb - pardon

my French. And in order to avoid doing a little bit of work, they might

just reject NVDA with this excuse. On the positive side, it seems to me

this happens rarely enough these days.

--Tony

 

 

On 8/25/2019 4:38 AM, kelby carlson wrote:

> Hi, everyone,

> I hope this isn't too off-topic. I recently heard an argument that NVDA is bad for blind prospect's in employment because it is the "dumbed down" solution. The person arguing this elaborated, saying that NVDA is not customizable/flexible enough (too chatty"), that it was not able to be scripted as easily, it didn't work well with as much proprietary software, and that it wouldn't be allowed on secure environments due to being open source.

> So my question is this: how many people here use NVDA for work, and is there a notable dilerence in level of usability with JAWS?

> Also, does NVDA have a skim reading feature like JAWS?

>

 

 

 

Re: The new microsoft edge chromium based browser troubles with nvda not going to browse mode

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi


I deleted out the portable version of the latest alfa snap shot as of this morning and installed a fresh copy.


Getting the same results when you go into the new microsoft edge dev version of the browser.

It does not do it with the stable version of nvda 2019.2



It goes to load and seems like it does not. You can not use your tab keys or arrow keys nor go from focus mode to browse mode in it now.

I have set nvda to debug if this helps.


INFO - __main__ (14:40:39.372):
Starting NVDA
INFO - core.main (14:40:39.591):
Config dir: C:\nvda alfa snapshots\userConfig
INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (14:40:39.591):
Loading config: .\userConfig\nvda.ini
INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (14:40:39.622):
Config loaded (after upgrade, and in the state it will be used by NVDA):
{'schemaVersion': '3', 'development': {}, 'upgrade': {}, 'general': {'language': 'Windows', 'saveConfigurationOnExit': 'True', 'askToExit': 'True', 'playStartAndExitSounds': 'True', 'loggingLevel': 'DEBUG', 'showWelcomeDialogAtStartup': 'False'}, 'update': {'autoCheck': 'True', 'startupNotification': 'True', 'allowUsageStats': 'False', 'askedAllowUsageStats': 'True'}, 'speech': {'synth': 'espeak', 'outputDevice': 'Microsoft Sound Mapper', 'oneCore': {'voice': 'HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\\SOFTWARE\\Microsoft\\Speech_OneCore\\Voices\\Tokens\\MSTTS_V110_enUS_DavidM', 'volume': '100'}, 'espeak': {'voice': 'en', 'variant': 'max', 'rate': '30', 'pitch': '40', 'inflection': '75', 'volume': '100'}}, 'braille': {'noBraille': {}}, 'keyboard': {'useCapsLockAsNVDAModifierKey': 'True'}, 'virtualBuffers': {'useScreenLayout': 'False', 'autoPassThroughOnCaretMove': 'True', 'passThroughAudioIndication': 'False'}, 'documentFormatting': {'includeLayoutTables': 'True'}, 'mouse': {'enableMouseTracking': 'False'}}
DEBUG - core.main (14:40:39.731):
setting language to Windows
INFO - core.main (14:40:39.747):
NVDA version alpha-18450,8c27752f
INFO - core.main (14:40:39.747):
Using Windows version 10.0.18362 workstation
INFO - core.main (14:40:39.747):
Using Python version 3.7.4 (tags/v3.7.4:e09359112e, Jul  8 2019, 19:29:22) [MSC v.1916 32 bit (Intel)]
INFO - core.main (14:40:39.747):
Using comtypes version 1.1.7
INFO - core.main (14:40:39.747):
Using configobj version 5.1.0 with validate version 1.0.1
DEBUG - core.main (14:40:39.764):
Initializing add-ons system
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (14:40:39.764):
Listing add-ons from C:\nvda alfa snapshots\userConfig\addons
WARNING - baseObject.Getter.__init__ (14:40:39.794):
Abstract class properties are not supported.
DEBUGWARNING - touchHandler.touchSupported (14:40:40.226):
Touch only supported on installed copies
DEBUG - core.main (14:40:40.375):
Initializing appModule Handler
DEBUG - core.main (14:40:40.375):
Initializing NVDAHelper
DEBUG - core.main (14:40:40.476):
Speech Dictionary processing
DEBUG - speechDictHandler.SpeechDict.load (14:40:40.476):
Loading speech dictionary '.\userConfig\speechDicts\default.dic'...
DEBUG - speechDictHandler.SpeechDict.load (14:40:40.476):
file '.\userConfig\speechDicts\default.dic' not found.
DEBUG - speechDictHandler.SpeechDict.load (14:40:40.476):
Loading speech dictionary 'builtin.dic'...
DEBUG - speechDictHandler.SpeechDict.load (14:40:40.476):
3 loaded records.
DEBUG - core.main (14:40:40.476):
Initializing speech
INFO - synthDrivers.espeak.SynthDriver.__init__ (14:40:40.599):
Using eSpeak NG version b'1.49.3 dev'
DEBUG - speechDictHandler.SpeechDict.load (14:40:40.764):
Loading speech dictionary '.\userConfig\speechDicts\voiceDicts.v1\espeak\espeak-English (Great Britain).dic'...
DEBUG - speechDictHandler.SpeechDict.load (14:40:40.764):
file '.\userConfig\speechDicts\voiceDicts.v1\espeak\espeak-English (Great Britain).dic' not found.
DEBUG - synthDriverHandler.SynthDriver.loadSettings (14:40:40.768):
Loaded settings for SynthDriver espeak
INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (14:40:40.768):
Loaded synthDriver espeak
INFO - core.main (14:40:40.768):
Using wx version 4.0.3 msw (phoenix) wxWidgets 3.0.5 with six version 1.12.0
DEBUG - core.main (14:40:40.770):
Initializing braille input
INFO - brailleInput.initialize (14:40:40.770):
Braille input initialized
DEBUG - core.main (14:40:40.770):
Initializing braille
INFO - braille.initialize (14:40:40.774):
Using liblouis version 3.10.0
INFO - braille.initialize (14:40:40.780):
Using pySerial version 3.4
INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (14:40:40.794):
Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0 cells.
DEBUG - core.main (14:40:40.794):
Initializing vision
DEBUG - core.main (14:40:40.794):
Initializing displayModel
DEBUG - core.main (14:40:40.794):
Initializing GUI
DEBUG - windowUtils._rawWindowProc (14:40:40.844):
CustomWindow rawWindowProc called for unknown window 328094
DEBUG - windowUtils._rawWindowProc (14:40:40.844):
CustomWindow rawWindowProc called for unknown window 328094
DEBUG - windowUtils._rawWindowProc (14:40:40.844):
CustomWindow rawWindowProc called for unknown window 328094
DEBUG - windowUtils._rawWindowProc (14:40:40.844):
CustomWindow rawWindowProc called for unknown window 328094
DEBUG - core.main (14:40:40.864):
initializing Java Access Bridge support
DEBUG - core.main (14:40:41.230):
Initializing legacy winConsole support
DEBUG - core.main (14:40:41.230):
Initializing UIA support
INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (14:40:41.261):
UIAutomation: IUIAutomation6
DEBUG - core.main (14:40:41.446):
Initializing IAccessible support
DEBUG - core.main (14:40:41.461):
Initializing input core
DEBUGWARNING - inputCore.InputManager.loadLocaleGestureMap (14:40:41.461):
No locale gesture map for language en
DEBUGWARNING - inputCore.InputManager.loadUserGestureMap (14:40:41.461):
No user gesture map
DEBUG - core.main (14:40:41.461):
Initializing keyboard handler
DEBUG - core.main (14:40:41.461):
initializing mouse handler
DEBUG - core.main (14:40:41.546):
Initializing touchHandler
DEBUGWARNING - touchHandler.touchSupported (14:40:41.546):
Touch only supported on installed copies
DEBUG - core.main (14:40:41.546):
Initializing global plugin handler
DEBUG - core.main (14:40:41.546):
Initializing core pump
DEBUG - core.main (14:40:41.546):
Initializing watchdog
DEBUG - core.main (14:40:41.562):
initializing updateCheck
INFO - core.main (14:40:41.562):
NVDA initialized
DEBUG - core.main (14:40:41.562):
entering wx application main loop
IO - speech.speak (14:40:41.599):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), 'Taskbar']
DEBUGWARNING - characterProcessing._getSpeechSymbolsForLocale (14:40:41.599):
No CLDR data for locale en_GB
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (14:40:45.593):
Input: kb(desktop):windows+d
IO - speech.speak (14:40:45.609):
Speaking [CharacterModeCommand(True), LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), 'd', EndUtteranceCommand()]
IO - speech.speak (14:40:45.953):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), 'FolderView  list']
IO - speech.speak (14:40:45.973):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), 'Recycle Bin  not selected  1 of 65']
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (14:40:48.478):
Input: kb(desktop):m
IO - speech.speak (14:40:48.554):
Speaking [CharacterModeCommand(True), LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), 'm', EndUtteranceCommand()]
IO - speech.speak (14:40:48.594):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), 'Malwarebytes  3 of 65']
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (14:40:49.804):
Input: kb(desktop):m
IO - speech.speak (14:40:49.851):
Speaking [CharacterModeCommand(True), LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), 'm', EndUtteranceCommand()]
IO - speech.speak (14:40:49.878):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), 'Mozilla Thunderbird  14 of 65']
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (14:40:51.414):
Input: kb(desktop):m
IO - speech.speak (14:40:51.494):
Speaking [CharacterModeCommand(True), LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), 'm', EndUtteranceCommand()]
IO - speech.speak (14:40:51.534):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), 'Microsoft Edge Dev  46 of 65']
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (14:40:53.654):
Input: kb(desktop):enter
IO - speech.speak (14:40:55.326):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), 'Untitled - Microsoft Edge Dev']
IO - speech.speak (14:40:57.024):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), 'Latest breaking news NZ | Stuff.co.nz | New Zealand - Microsoft Edge Dev']
DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole (14:40:57.234):
accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'The parameter is incorrect.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole (14:41:01.589):
accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'The parameter is incorrect.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole (14:41:02.410):
accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'The parameter is incorrect.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole (14:41:03.417):
accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'The parameter is incorrect.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole (14:41:06.254):
accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'The parameter is incorrect.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole (14:41:06.370):
accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'The parameter is incorrect.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole (14:41:06.740):
accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'The parameter is incorrect.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole (14:41:06.770):
accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'The parameter is incorrect.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole (14:41:07.275):
accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'The parameter is incorrect.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole (14:41:13.132):
accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'The parameter is incorrect.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole (14:41:14.256):
accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'The parameter is incorrect.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
DEBUG - treeInterceptorHandler.update (14:41:19.715):
Adding new treeInterceptor to runningTable: <NVDAObjects.IAccessible.chromium.ChromeVBuf object at 0x068390D0>
DEBUGWARNING - virtualBuffers.VirtualBuffer.prepare (14:41:19.717):
appModule has no binding handle to injected code, can't prepare virtualBuffer yet.
DEBUGWARNING - virtualBuffers.VirtualBuffer.prepare (14:41:19.721):
appModule has no binding handle to injected code, can't prepare virtualBuffer yet.
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (14:41:29.835):
Input: kb(desktop):tab
DEBUGWARNING - virtualBuffers.VirtualBuffer.prepare (14:41:33.928):
appModule has no binding handle to injected code, can't prepare virtualBuffer yet.
DEBUGWARNING - virtualBuffers.VirtualBuffer.prepare (14:41:33.931):
appModule has no binding handle to injected code, can't prepare virtualBuffer yet.
DEBUGWARNING - virtualBuffers.VirtualBuffer.prepare (14:41:33.941):
appModule has no binding handle to injected code, can't prepare virtualBuffer yet.
DEBUGWARNING - virtualBuffers.VirtualBuffer.prepare (14:41:33.951):
appModule has no binding handle to injected code, can't prepare virtualBuffer yet.
DEBUGWARNING - virtualBuffers.VirtualBuffer.prepare (14:41:33.961):
appModule has no binding handle to injected code, can't prepare virtualBuffer yet.
DEBUGWARNING - virtualBuffers.VirtualBuffer.prepare (14:41:33.971):
appModule has no binding handle to injected code, can't prepare virtualBuffer yet.
IO - speech.speak (14:41:33.982):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), 'list']
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (14:41:35.787):
Input: kb(desktop):tab
DEBUGWARNING - virtualBuffers.VirtualBuffer.prepare (14:41:36.670):
appModule has no binding handle to injected code, can't prepare virtualBuffer yet.
DEBUGWARNING - virtualBuffers.VirtualBuffer.prepare (14:41:36.671):
appModule has no binding handle to injected code, can't prepare virtualBuffer yet.
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (14:41:40.451):
Input: kb(desktop):tab
DEBUGWARNING - virtualBuffers.VirtualBuffer.prepare (14:41:40.571):
appModule has no binding handle to injected code, can't prepare virtualBuffer yet.
DEBUGWARNING - virtualBuffers.VirtualBuffer.prepare (14:41:40.576):
appModule has no binding handle to injected code, can't prepare virtualBuffer yet.
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (14:41:44.282):
Input: kb(desktop):downArrow
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (14:41:46.570):
Input: kb(desktop):l
IO - speech.speak (14:41:46.592):
Speaking [CharacterModeCommand(True), LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), 'l', EndUtteranceCommand()]
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (14:41:48.018):
Input: kb(desktop):tab
IO - speech.speakTypedCharacters (14:41:48.031):
typed word: l
DEBUGWARNING - virtualBuffers.VirtualBuffer.prepare (14:41:48.131):
appModule has no binding handle to injected code, can't prepare virtualBuffer yet.
DEBUGWARNING - virtualBuffers.VirtualBuffer.prepare (14:41:48.138):
appModule has no binding handle to injected code, can't prepare virtualBuffer yet.
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (14:41:49.362):
Input: kb(desktop):alt+tab
IO - speech.speak (14:41:49.622):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), 'Latest breaking news NZ | Stuff.co.nz | New Zealand - Microsoft Edge  row 1  column 1']
IO - speech.speak (14:41:49.637):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), 'Latest breaking news NZ | Stuff.co.nz | New Zealand - Microsoft Edge  row 1  column 1']
IO - speech.speak (14:41:50.475):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), 'Latest breaking news NZ | Stuff.co.nz | New Zealand - Microsoft Edge Dev']
DEBUGWARNING - virtualBuffers.VirtualBuffer.prepare (14:41:50.712):
appModule has no binding handle to injected code, can't prepare virtualBuffer yet.
DEBUGWARNING - virtualBuffers.VirtualBuffer.prepare (14:41:50.718):
appModule has no binding handle to injected code, can't prepare virtualBuffer yet.
DEBUGWARNING - virtualBuffers.VirtualBuffer.prepare (14:41:50.723):
appModule has no binding handle to injected code, can't prepare virtualBuffer yet.
DEBUGWARNING - virtualBuffers.VirtualBuffer.prepare (14:41:50.729):
appModule has no binding handle to injected code, can't prepare virtualBuffer yet.
DEBUGWARNING - virtualBuffers.VirtualBuffer.prepare (14:41:50.735):
appModule has no binding handle to injected code, can't prepare virtualBuffer yet.
DEBUGWARNING - virtualBuffers.VirtualBuffer.prepare (14:41:50.740):
appModule has no binding handle to injected code, can't prepare virtualBuffer yet.
DEBUGWARNING - virtualBuffers.VirtualBuffer.prepare (14:41:50.746):
appModule has no binding handle to injected code, can't prepare virtualBuffer yet.
IO - speech.speak (14:41:50.749):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), 'Latest breaking news NZ | Stuff.co.nz | New Zealand  document']
IO - speech.speak (14:41:50.755):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), 'list']
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (14:42:00.682):
Input: kb(desktop):downArrow
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (14:42:01.938):
Input: kb(desktop):NVDA+space
IO - speech.speak (14:42:01.951):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), 'Focus mode']
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (14:42:03.618):
Input: kb(desktop):NVDA+space
ERROR - scriptHandler.executeScript (14:42:03.641):
error executing script: <bound method GlobalCommands.script_toggleVirtualBufferPassThrough of <globalCommands.GlobalCommands object at 0x067E3170>> with gesture 'NVDA+space'
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "scriptHandler.pyc", line 205, in executeScript
  File "globalCommands.pyc", line 1301, in script_toggleVirtualBufferPassThrough
  File "treeInterceptorHandler.pyc", line 139, in _set_passThrough
  File "review.pyc", line 124, in setCurrentMode
  File "review.pyc", line 48, in getDocumentPosition
  File "documentBase.pyc", line 24, in makeTextInfo
  File "virtualBuffers\__init__.pyc", line 210, in __init__
  File "textInfos\offsets.pyc", line 404, in __init__
  File "virtualBuffers\__init__.pyc", line 198, in _getOffsetsFromNVDAObject
  File "virtualBuffers\__init__.pyc", line 193, in _getOffsetsFromNVDAObjectInBuffer
  File "virtualBuffers\__init__.pyc", line 167, in _getOffsetsFromFieldIdentifier
OSError: [WinError 1775] A null context handle was passed from the client to the host during a remote procedure call
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (14:42:04.786):
Input: kb(desktop):tab
DEBUGWARNING - virtualBuffers.VirtualBuffer.prepare (14:42:04.914):
appModule has no binding handle to injected code, can't prepare virtualBuffer yet.
DEBUGWARNING - virtualBuffers.VirtualBuffer.prepare (14:42:04.924):
appModule has no binding handle to injected code, can't prepare virtualBuffer yet.
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (14:42:05.994):
Input: kb(desktop):NVDA+space
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (14:42:14.802):
Input: kb(desktop):NVDA+f1
DEBUGWARNING - displayModel.DisplayModelTextInfo._get__storyFieldsAndRects (14:42:14.815):
AppModule does not have a binding handle
INFO - globalCommands.GlobalCommands.script_navigatorObject_devInfo (14:42:15.090):
Developer info for navigator object:
name: 'Business Directory'
role: ROLE_LINK
states: STATE_FOCUSABLE, STATE_LINKED, STATE_FOCUSED
isFocusable: True
hasFocus: True
Python object: <NVDAObjects.IAccessible.ia2Web.Ia2Web object at 0x06825490>
Python class mro: (<class 'NVDAObjects.IAccessible.ia2Web.Ia2Web'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.window.Window'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObject'>, <class 'documentBase.TextContainerObject'>, <class 'baseObject.ScriptableObject'>, <class 'baseObject.AutoPropertyObject'>, <class 'object'>)
description: None
location: RectLTWH(left=503, top=348, width=119, height=16)
value: 'https://www.neighbourly.co.nz/local/'
appModule: <'appModuleHandler' (appName 'msedge', process ID 5268) at address 6521710>
appModule.productName: 'Microsoft Edge'
appModule.productVersion: '78.0.249.1'
TextInfo: <class 'NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IA2TextTextInfo'>
windowHandle: 918778
windowClassName: 'Chrome_RenderWidgetHostHWND'
windowControlID: 835116960
windowStyle: 1445986304
extendedWindowStyle: 32
windowThreadID: 2972
windowText: 'Chrome Legacy Window'
displayText: ''
IAccessibleObject: <POINTER(IAccessible2) ptr=0x5cae2ac at 674a670>
IAccessibleChildID: 0
IAccessible event parameters: windowHandle=918778, objectID=-4, childID=-73
IAccessible accName: 'Business Directory'
IAccessible accRole: ROLE_SYSTEM_LINK
IAccessible accState: STATE_SYSTEM_FOCUSED, STATE_SYSTEM_FOCUSABLE, STATE_SYSTEM_LINKED, STATE_SYSTEM_VALID (5242884)
IAccessible accDescription: None
IAccessible accValue: 'https://www.neighbourly.co.nz/local/'
IAccessible2 windowHandle: 918778
IAccessible2 uniqueID: -73
IAccessible2 role: ROLE_SYSTEM_LINK
IAccessible2 states: IA2_STATE_OPAQUE (1024)
IAccessible2 attributes: 'display:inline;tag:a;'



On 26/08/2019 1:16 PM, David Csercsics wrote:
The new Edge works fine here with the NVDA alpha, unless you downloaded a later version than the one I have. I'll have a look at that. But I used it this morning and it was behaving as expected.





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Re: Where Can I send log?

Jackie
 

Quentin, I may have fixed it myself, but I'm going to wait awhile to
see if I can break things first, before proclaiming that too loudly.

Specifically, I disabled the options in Excel to show the mini toolbar
on selection, as well as the option to enable live preview.

I was getting a lot of "core frozen in stack" errors. & that seemed
pretty much right, as the computer locked up tighter than a frog's
tail, which is watertight. Now I'll just have to try different files
w/various programs open to see if the problem repeats or if I did in
fact resolve it on my own. I hate holding my breath--I don't look that
good blue--but that's about where we're at w/this.

On 8/25/19, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
Hi Jackie,

If you could send it to me at info@..., I'm happy to have a look.
If you could give a bit of description about what steps you used to
encounter the situation that would be great too please.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Sat, Aug 24, 2019 at 7:44 AM Jackie <abletec@...> wrote:

I've been having issues w/NVDA & Excel 2010 for a good while now. To
put the matter succinctly, NVDA simply freezes. I've finally managed
to capture this in a log. I could post it to the list, but that seems
rather unfair, as it wouldn't interest most & it's fairly long. So
where should I send it?

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Re: NVDA in Employment

Arlene
 

Hi list: This is why I got a win ten laptop after my old win 7 desktop bit the dust. Should I end up gaining employment weather paid or not paid. I have both NVDA and Jaws installed on this system.  If I bring this computer to the employment place. It probably wont matter what I use weather it be NVDA or Jaws.  When I did my online food safe course. I had to use NVDA to complete the course.  Same goes for employment.  If one screen reader won’t work the other will. 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: zahra
Sent: August 25, 2019 4:42 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA in Emploandenp

 

hello for your second question about reading,

please check

Allow skim reading in Say All

in keyboard setting.

i activated this feature and it works greatly in most parts.

 

On 8/25/19, kelby carlson <kelbycarlson@...> wrote:

> Hi, everyone,

> I hope this isn't too off-topic. I recently heard an argument that NVDA is

> bad for blind prospect's in employment because it is the "dumbed down"

> solution. The person arguing this elaborated, saying that NVDA is not

> customizable/flexible enough (too chatty"), that it was not able to be

> scripted as easily, it didn't work well with as much proprietary software,

> and that it wouldn't be allowed on secure environments due to being open

> source.

> So my question is this: how many people here use NVDA for work, and is there

> a notable dilerence in level of usability with JAWS?

> Also, does NVDA have a skim reading feature like JAWS?

>

 

 

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Re: NVDA and Kurzweil 1000

 

Kelby,
Are you sure that [NVDA+Shift+S] is the right command? All that happened was it announced "no selection"; turning keyboard help on revealed that command does not do anything with regard to speech.
If you want to use this command you must be using the desktop layout. If you're using the laptop layout the command is NVDA+Shift+Z.

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Re: Where Can I send log?

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Jackie,

If you could send it to me at info@..., I'm happy to have a look.  If you could give a bit of description about what steps you used to encounter the situation that would be great too please.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Sat, Aug 24, 2019 at 7:44 AM Jackie <abletec@...> wrote:
I've been having issues w/NVDA & Excel 2010 for a good while now. To
put the matter succinctly, NVDA simply freezes. I've finally managed
to capture this in a log. I could post it to the list, but that seems
rather unfair, as it wouldn't interest most & it's fairly long. So
where should I send it?

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Re: Nvda on Usb

Quentin Christensen
 

There is an open issue on our tracker for this.   https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/3113 

  The current proposal there is to alert the user if the folder they have selected is not empty, which I think is a reasonable compromise.  Feel free to comment on that issue if you have any new points to add there though.

On Sat, Aug 24, 2019 at 6:43 AM Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io <the.big.white.shepherd=googlemail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Yes agreed,   and I just can't understand why the Nvda devs don't just
fix this.

On 23/08/2019 15:04, Brian Vogel wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 06:13 PM, Kevin Cussick wrote:
>
>     but I think Brian was maybe saying that nvda should buy default make
>     a folder where ever you extract and buy default call it nvda.
>
> And it wasn't just me that has said this.
>
> "Portable copy makers" (I won't call them installers, because they are
> NOT installing anything) had ought to, as a matter of practice, create a
> dedicated folder, with a name that the end user would clearly recognize
> as being "the home of the thing I just created a portable copy of," in
> the location it's been told to place the portable copy.   Expecting end
> users to do this housekeeping in this day and age just isn't gonna
> happen (and, in reality and as these two topics have shown, doesn't
> happen and hasn't happened in my observation in a very, very long time).
>
> It's just so much cleaner and less confusing for the end user.
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Re: The new microsoft edge chromium based browser troubles with nvda not going to browse mode

David Csercsics
 

The new Edge works fine here with the NVDA alpha, unless you downloaded a later version than the one I have. I'll have a look at that. But I used it this morning and it was behaving as expected.

Re: NVDA in Employment

David Csercsics
 

Wow, that's a mess. I'll log into gmail, and see what's set up here as it's been years since I've looked at that setting. I'll write back with  what I find.

 I dtold Thunderbird to autoexpunge and empty trash on exit and set sync to only messages from 30 days, but I'll take a better look at the web settings and see what I can change there and see if we can sort this out, as this is really odd behaviour.

Re: NVDA in Employment

David Csercsics
 

I'll have to check into that. When I last checked you could only do one of them or the other, but they may have changed now.

The new microsoft edge chromium based browser troubles with nvda not going to browse mode

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi guys


In the stable version of NVDA 2019.2 NVDA works nicely with the new Microsoft Edge chromium based browser.


I just downloaded the latest snap shot of the Alfa branch to keep on testing it with and it looks like the browse mode function is broken. It seems to be stuck in focus mode and will not change to browse mode with nvda key + space bar.


Has any one else noticed this with the latest alfa of NVDA it still seems to be working ok with google browser etc that I have on this computer but not the chromium based microsoft edge at present.


I am wondering if some thing has corrupted in the alfa snap shot so am asking others for feed back to see if it is.


Gene nz


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Re: A point on email clients

Tony Malykh
 

There are many command-line email clients, that you can try. One of the most popular ones is alpine, I have heard that blind people managed to successfully use it. I have to confess I haven't tried it myself, but in light of all the problems with Thunderbird I might consider that as well soon. It probably won't support HTML though.

On 8/25/2019 8:58 AM, Vincent Le Goff wrote:
Hi everyone,


This has been reported for a few weeks or months and things are getting worse, so I'm afraid I'll have to leave the Thunderbird community.  The client is getting extremely sluggish.  It behaves well for sighted users but the thing is not reporting information to NVDA in less than a few seconds for each key press, especially for us unfortunate relying on Braille.  Enough is enough. Thunderbird served its purpose but I need a fast email client and can't spend 2 hours reading my 100 daily emails (yep, I happen to receive lots of emails).


But this "ragequit" will pose some problems.  The first, and obvious, is: what to use now?  Relying on Microsoft products doesn't sit too well, I'm already doing a lot of that, but it seems there aren't so many choices.  For awhile I heard about an open-source email client specifically created for accessibility, but I can't remember what the name was, who created it, and Google can't help me.


So the debate is open: let's avoid the flamewar if possible, but what are you using?  What would be more fitting with NVDA?  I have a few requirements:


- I'm running on Windows 10 (64-bit). Can't do without that.

- I have two accounts and possibly three, so I need to have support for several email accounts and simple switches between them.

- I need support for iMap, which is basically the only protocol I used to retreieve messages.

- Support for simple text and HTML content is obviously a strong bonus.


Thanks in advance for your advice!


Vincent


Re: NVDA in Employment

 

On Sun, Aug 25, 2019 at 06:43 PM, David Csercsics wrote:
I was able to track down the thunderbird slowness to Google's silly behaviour of archiving mail instead of deleting it from the server when I deleted it in the client.
David,

          Now we need to figure out why, as neither Tbird nor WLM 2012 do that for me, but Outlook 2016 does.   And now that I've checked the settings on the two Gmail accounts I was using, this appears to be a function of Gmail Settings, Forwarding and POP/IMAP.   Under those settings, IMAP section, there are two entries:

When I mark a message in IMAP as deleted:
with the options auto-expunge on (and when I have this turned on messages are not archived and the options in the next section are stippled and inaccessible)
                          auto-expunge off

The entry that follows is, When a message is marked as deleted and expunged from the last visible IMAP folder:, with three options which, if available a single one is selected via a radio button:
  1. Archive the message (default)
  2. Move the message to trash
  3. Immediately delete the message

So when I have auto-expunge on, it's behaving as though auto-expunge is off but with the "Move message to trash" radio button selected.  When trashed the message is not retained in the archive and is permanently expunged from the server after 30 days.

One could also, clearly, have auto-expunge off but direct Google to immediately delete the message, which bypasses the trash folder entirely.

          There has got to be some client-side setting that indicates to Gmail whether a delete is actually a delete, in which case the message gets moved to Trash under the Gmail folder hierarchy, or archive, in which case the Inbox label is removed but the message still exists in All Mail.

           I have found the setting in Gmail's own app, and articles regarding same, easily.  Tracking it down for the other e-mail clients is not so easy.

Brian

 
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Re: how to change bang to exclamation and tick to apostrophe

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 

One other note I forgot to mention: You can determine when it should be spoken based on what you have your symbol level set to.  Also if you tab over further you will see an option to send to synthesizer. Switch it to always.

 

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From: Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2019 8:13 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to change bang to exclamation and tick to apostrophe

 

Now that was extremely helpful.

After replacing both incidents of each, it works perfectly!

 

 

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Mullins
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2019 6:27 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to change bang to exclamation and tick to apostrophe

 

Hi

The instructions given are correct.  Note there are 2 entries each for bang and tick, you will have to enter a new replacement for all entries.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: 25 August 2019 10:32
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to change bang to exclamation and tick to apostrophe

 

Those instructions didn’t work.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert Doc Wright godfearer
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2019 4:42 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to change bang to exclamation and tick to apostrophe

 

Open NVDA  menu

Preferences

Punctuation/symbol pronunciation

Arrow down to the symbol you wish to change and tab once. Clear the field and type what you want to hear.

 

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From: Dennis L
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 11:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] how to change bang to exclamation and tick to apostrophe

 

Hi, how  do I   change bang to exclamation and tick to apostrophe

 

 

Re: how to change bang to exclamation and tick to apostrophe

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 

That is odd because it worked for me and is still working now.

 

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From: Dennis L
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2019 3:31 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to change bang to exclamation and tick to apostrophe

 

Those instructions didn’t work.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert Doc Wright godfearer
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2019 4:42 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to change bang to exclamation and tick to apostrophe

 

Open NVDA  menu

Preferences

Punctuation/symbol pronunciation

Arrow down to the symbol you wish to change and tab once. Clear the field and type what you want to hear.

 

 ******

Jesus says, follow me and I'll help you through the rough spots.

the world says, hey come with me. My way is broad and easy. So what if you get crap on your shoes. You can always wash it off, can't you!                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Dennis L
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 11:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] how to change bang to exclamation and tick to apostrophe

 

Hi, how  do I   change bang to exclamation and tick to apostrophe

 

 

Re: ALVA 544 Satellite Traveller braille display with NVDA

 

Install the driver from its disk that came with it.

I found this out with a humanware display I borrowed, the website driver in this case didn't work and I had to install the driver from the driver disk.

On 26/08/2019 8:44 AM, Mohammadreza Rashad wrote:
Hello dear friends,
I've borrowed an abovementioned braille display, and want to use it
with NVDA. I connect the display using a USB cable. when I restart the
computer, it displayed that it's OK and waiting for connection. But
when NVDA starts, the display doesn't function.
I think that I should install its driver, because Windows says that
the driver is unavailable, but I couldn't find any driver for it. I
even installed BRLTTY, but it didn't recognize the display. What
should I do to use the display with NVDA?
Windows 10.1903 x64, NVDA 2019.2, ALVA 544 Satellite Traveler braille display.

Re: NVDA in Employment

Gene
 

Will GMail let you set up both a POP3 account and an IMAP account for the same GMail account using an e-mail program? 
If you can do this, you can switch to the pop account, which you would have set not to download mail automatically, download the mail for whatever period of time you decide to let pass, check the latest messages to see if there is anything new, then delete all the mail you have downloaded except anything new.
 
Don't send it to sent mail, completely delete it.  if you can set up a pop and IMAP accountin Thunderbird, that would be the fastest and most convenient way to clear the inbox.
 
Gene 

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Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2019 5:43 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA in Employment

I was able to track down the thunderbird slowness to Google's silly
behaviour of archiving mail instead of deleting it from the server when
I deleted it in the client. I'm not sure how to get around this, other
than to go on the web mail and clean out the mail periodically, though I
think telling it to sync only 30 days worth of stuff should get me a lot
of the way there as well. I had something like 8 years of mail synced to
"all mail" locally, so no wonder it'd be slow. Even SSD would be slow
with a 7 gig data chunk like that.





Re: A point on email clients

 

I havn't used anything over thunderbird 60.8.0 but yeah, I don't care for ms products.

There is old out dated eudora but not sure about other things, there was a thing called thebat but I don't know about anything else at all.

On 26/08/2019 3:58 AM, Vincent Le Goff wrote:
Hi everyone,


This has been reported for a few weeks or months and things are getting worse, so I'm afraid I'll have to leave the Thunderbird community.  The client is getting extremely sluggish.  It behaves well for sighted users but the thing is not reporting information to NVDA in less than a few seconds for each key press, especially for us unfortunate relying on Braille.  Enough is enough. Thunderbird served its purpose but I need a fast email client and can't spend 2 hours reading my 100 daily emails (yep, I happen to receive lots of emails).


But this "ragequit" will pose some problems.  The first, and obvious, is: what to use now?  Relying on Microsoft products doesn't sit too well, I'm already doing a lot of that, but it seems there aren't so many choices.  For awhile I heard about an open-source email client specifically created for accessibility, but I can't remember what the name was, who created it, and Google can't help me.


So the debate is open: let's avoid the flamewar if possible, but what are you using?  What would be more fitting with NVDA?  I have a few requirements:


- I'm running on Windows 10 (64-bit). Can't do without that.

- I have two accounts and possibly three, so I need to have support for several email accounts and simple switches between them.

- I need support for iMap, which is basically the only protocol I used to retreieve messages.

- Support for simple text and HTML content is obviously a strong bonus.


Thanks in advance for your advice!


Vincent



.

Re: Anybody have a podcatcher recommendation?

 

I do have itunes but I like to manually download podcasts myself.

For subscribing to podcasts if they have subscribe by email then I subscribe via that, most of them use mailchimp or feedburner.

Feedburner is part of google so if you have a google account then you have access to that.

I am unsure if you can post your own casts on there but I should try and see.



On 25/08/2019 10:47 PM, Marcio via Groups.Io wrote:
John,
I've used a few of these podcasters but currently I'm definitely not into podcasts. So, while I can give you links with the programs I really can't give details. Sorry :(

Well, let's go.
While using podcasters, I found HermesPod quite good and easy to use. It's also very light, perhaps your best bet.
There's also Vov Podcast Downloader. This one will crash a lot but it's perfectly usable. Some people will say that this is totally intentional so that you buy the Pro version. I won't say I don't believe them :)
Lastly, there's Accessible Podcatcher. As the name suggests, it's indeed accessible. It's been made for the blind from day one.
However, maybe this isn't the best podcaster among these three ones. You can try and see what you think, either way.

That's it. Hope this helps a bit :)

Cheers,
Marcio AKA Starboy

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John Isige wrote:
Googling I find this thread from 2017.


https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/topic/podcatcher_with_nvda/6012532?p=,,,20,0,0,0::recentpostdate%2Fsticky,,,20,2,380,6012532


As has been pointed out in that thread, QCast doesn't work anymore, at least for me it's stopped playing or downloading unless there's been an update which I doubt. I too don't have a device, nor do I want to use iTunes because it's clunky garbage, ditto with the webbIE stuff. QCast worked just fine for me and I wish it still did. But it doesn't, so here I am. I don't want Apple anything, I'm not buying a device, and I don't want to do my own googling for podcasts and chasing down URLs and pasting them in somewhere and hoping they'll download. Basically, I want something a lot like QCast, exactly like it if it can be managed, that actually downloads and plays podcasts. In particular downloading to folders would be nice, since there was a podcast for learning Irish flute tunes I want to chase down again. I thought I'd grabbed a bunch and saved them somewhere but I'm not finding them, hence the need for a working podcatcher. I know I've tried a few before, though I can't remember names, before coming across QCast that weren't really accessible. This is under Windows 10 if it matters, and latest NVDA obviously. Anybody have any recommendations?