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Re: Is there an NVDA add on for Whatsapp Web?

Ibrahim Abedrabbo
 

Hi Vincent,
Thanks a million for your help regarding Whatsapp Web with NVDA. I did not even know that there is a desktop application for it. Thanks for providing the link. I truly appreciate it.

Regards,

Ibrahim



On Aug 25, 2019, at 4:18 AM, Vincent Le Goff <vincent.legoff.srs@...> wrote:

Hi Ibrahim,


As far as I know, there are two possibilities: either use WhatsApp web as you suggested, or use the desktop application.  As far as accessibility goes, both might be somewhat equivalent, because the desktop application actually uses a web rendering.  I would think the website itself is more accessible, if only a little.  I used the desktop application for awhile and would have tried the web version if that weren't for this scan-your-PC-screen-with-your-iphone login that I can't possibly do alone (at least, I didn't find out how).


Desktop app (Windows 8 and higher, 32-bit): https://web.whatsapp.com/desktop/windows/release/ia32/WhatsAppSetup.exe

Whatsapp web: https://web.whatsapp.com


HTH,


Vincent

On 8/21/2019 4:20 AM, Ibrahim Abedrabbo wrote:
Hello folks,
Are there any add ons for accessing Whatsapp Web with NVDA? If so, where can I find it? What is the best way to access whatsapp on the PC with NVDA?
Any hints would be appreciated.


Regards,
Ibrahim





Re: reading from mouse pointer

willmac@lantic.net
 

I am using Mouse Inverter (extra large)n) in Win10.

Hope tis help,

Regards,

William

Recording a meeting on Skype

Morne van der Merwe
 

Hello list,

 

I am running the latest version of Skype, NVDA and Windows 10.

 

Is it possible to record a Skype meeting?

 

Regards

 

Morné

Re: NVDA in Employment

erik burggraaf <erik@...>
 

Thanks for pointing out this page.  It may not be detailed enough for some, but I found it a useful overview.

I was interested to see that NVDA is compliant only up to WCAG 2.0AA.  Is there a timeline for 2.1 compliance, or does the new revision not contain enhancements that effect nvda?

Thanks,

Erik

On August 25, 2019 11:28:43 PM "Quentin Christensen" <quentin@...> wrote:

Hi Kelly,

I see the skim reading question has been addressed, and I'll leave others to answer which screen reader they prefer, but in terms of using NVDA in a work environment, we certainly do have a lot of users who use NVDA in that context, both employees and also employers or institutions setting up NVDA in say, university labs, libraries or other public computers.

For anyone looking into this either as an employer or an employee looking for information for their workplace, we have a page at https://www.nvaccess.org/corporate-government/ which answers a lot of common questions (including the security options within NVDA, and addressing the (unfounded) concern around the security of open-source software.

If anyone (or any potential employers) have any lingering concerns, please do get in touch (or get them in touch) with us - info@... is the easiest way - and we'd be happy to discuss any concerns.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Sun, Aug 25, 2019 at 9:38 PM kelby carlson <kelbycarlson@...> wrote:
Hi, everyone,

I hope this isn't too off-topic. I recently heard an argument that NVDA is bad for blind prospect's in employment because it is the "dumbed down" solution. The person arguing this elaborated, saying that NVDA is not customizable/flexible enough (too chatty"), that it was not able to be scripted as easily, it didn't work well with as much proprietary software, and that it wouldn't be allowed on secure environments due to being open source.

So my question is this: how many people here use NVDA for work, and is there a notable dilerence in level of usability with JAWS?

Also, does NVDA have a skim reading feature like JAWS?





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Re: Lags in Thunderbird with NVDA

 

whats the last version of responsive thunderbird?

On 8/26/19, Vincent Le Goff <vincent.legoff.srs@...> wrote:
I dare to create a new thread to discuss this issue more.  So just to
recap: some of us (not all of us) have experienced significant lags in
Thunderbird over a period ranging from a few weeks to a year or so.
Hard to pinpoint the issue and since a lot of users didn't experience
this, the issue was neither critical not even proven (hard to prove a
lag, by all means).


This could apply to other email clients, it seems.  As far as I'm
concerned, the problem was that my inbox was crowded.  Last I checked I
had around 12K emails in only one folder and the older emails had been
sent in 2009.  I had gone over cleaning up this folder and removing what
I didn't care to keep, but there were a lot of emails I simply archived
because I wanted to keep a track. And because I'm using iMap (several
devices to keep in sync, I couldn't very well use Pop3), these emails
were sent to every client.


A (bug) was discovered on Gmail accounts.  Deleted emails, by default,
weren't deleted at all, just kept in a separate folder in Gmail which
was a poor fix and didn't exactly solve my problem. But more
importantly, I went to the Gmail settings and asked it to only send me
1000 emails in a single folder at most.  And after a painful and slow
client sync, I find Thunderbird so much more responsive. Was it really
all that took?  And if so, who's responsible?  Is it logical for NVDA to
lag that much in a simple list when the said list has around 10K
entries?  Maybe yes, maybe not.  Maybe Thunderbird itself, despite its
"caching" and "compacting" doesn't handle the situation very well, at
least for users relying on assistive technology.  It might be worth
reporting their way, but it probably is worth discussing here
beforehand.  Besides, Thunderbird might not be the only one suffering
from this issue.  And this "fix" might not fix anything for others.
Again, worth talking about.


The setting that changed my life was in Gmail: so login to gmail.com,
open settings / POP3 and iMAP sync (sorry for the labels that might be
somewhat different, Gmail is in French on my account), and check the
options on "when a message is marked as deleted". Just below you will
find another setting to limit the number of emails per folder.  By
default there's no limit, but if you check a limit Gmail offers you 1000
emails per folder at most.  This seems to be a good alternative.  The
remaining (for me!) 11K emails aren't deleted, but Gmail keeps them on
its server and doesn't send them to the client except if you search
(Thunderbird allows to run a full search on the server).


HTH,


Vincent








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Lags in Thunderbird with NVDA

Vincent Le Goff <vincent.legoff.srs@...>
 

I dare to create a new thread to discuss this issue more.  So just to recap: some of us (not all of us) have experienced significant lags in Thunderbird over a period ranging from a few weeks to a year or so.  Hard to pinpoint the issue and since a lot of users didn't experience this, the issue was neither critical not even proven (hard to prove a lag, by all means).


This could apply to other email clients, it seems.  As far as I'm concerned, the problem was that my inbox was crowded.  Last I checked I had around 12K emails in only one folder and the older emails had been sent in 2009.  I had gone over cleaning up this folder and removing what I didn't care to keep, but there were a lot of emails I simply archived because I wanted to keep a track. And because I'm using iMap (several devices to keep in sync, I couldn't very well use Pop3), these emails were sent to every client.


A (bug) was discovered on Gmail accounts.  Deleted emails, by default, weren't deleted at all, just kept in a separate folder in Gmail which was a poor fix and didn't exactly solve my problem. But more importantly, I went to the Gmail settings and asked it to only send me 1000 emails in a single folder at most.  And after a painful and slow client sync, I find Thunderbird so much more responsive. Was it really all that took?  And if so, who's responsible?  Is it logical for NVDA to lag that much in a simple list when the said list has around 10K entries?  Maybe yes, maybe not.  Maybe Thunderbird itself, despite its "caching" and "compacting" doesn't handle the situation very well, at least for users relying on assistive technology.  It might be worth reporting their way, but it probably is worth discussing here beforehand.  Besides, Thunderbird might not be the only one suffering from this issue.  And this "fix" might not fix anything for others.  Again, worth talking about.


The setting that changed my life was in Gmail: so login to gmail.com, open settings / POP3 and iMAP sync (sorry for the labels that might be somewhat different, Gmail is in French on my account), and check the options on "when a message is marked as deleted". Just below you will find another setting to limit the number of emails per folder.  By default there's no limit, but if you check a limit Gmail offers you 1000 emails per folder at most.  This seems to be a good alternative.  The remaining (for me!) 11K emails aren't deleted, but Gmail keeps them on its server and doesn't send them to the client except if you search (Thunderbird allows to run a full search on the server).


HTH,


Vincent

Lags in Thunderbird with NVDA

Vincent Le Goff <vincent.legoff.srs@...>
 

I dare to create a new thread to discuss this issue more.  So just to recap: some of us (not all of us) have experienced significant lags in Thunderbird over a period ranging from a few weeks to a year or so.  Hard to pinpoint the issue and since a lot of users didn't experience this, the issue was neither critical not even proven (hard to prove a lag, by all means).


This could apply to other email clients, it seems.  As far as I'm concerned, the problem was that my inbox was crowded.  Last I checked I had around 12K emails in only one folder and the older emails had been sent in 2009.  I had gone over cleaning up this folder and removing what I didn't care to keep, but there were a lot of emails I simply archived because I wanted to keep a track. And because I'm using iMap (several devices to keep in sync, I couldn't very well use Pop3), these emails were sent to every client.


A (bug) was discovered on Gmail accounts.  Deleted emails, by default, weren't deleted at all, just kept in a separate folder in Gmail which was a poor fix and didn't exactly solve my problem. But more importantly, I went to the Gmail settings and asked it to only send me 1000 emails in a single folder at most.  And after a painful and slow client sync, I find Thunderbird so much more responsive.  Was it really all that took?  And if so, who's responsible?  Is it logical for NVDA to lag that much in a simple list when the said list has around 10K entries?  Maybe yes, maybe not.  Maybe Thunderbird itself, despite its "caching" and "compacting" doesn't handle the situation very well, at least for users relying on assistive technology.  It might be worth reporting their way, but it probably is worth discussing here beforehand.  Besides, Thunderbird might not be the only one suffering from this issue.  And this "fix" might not fix anything for others.  Again, worth talking about.


The setting that changed my life was in Gmail: so login to gmail.com, open settings / POP3 and iMAP sync (sorry for the labels that might be somewhat different, Gmail is in French on my account), and check the options on "when a message is marked as deleted". Just below you will find another setting to limit the number of emails per folder.  By default there's no limit, but if you check a limit Gmail offers you 1000 emails per folder at most.  This seems to be a good alternative.  The remaining (for me!) 11K emails aren't deleted, but Gmail keeps them on its server and doesn't send them to the client except if you search (Thunderbird allows to run a full search on the server).


HTH,


Vincent

Re: NVDA in Employment

 

Well there is a suggestion you should unsubscribe from the all mail folder.

Of course if you can get access to the all mail folder, if you empty the stuff you do not need, after archiving the stuff you do, into folders technically it should replicate.

Having only 1 device and no folders really prefering to store mail that is important to me outside my email, I use pop.

And even while I have an iphone 6+ now, I may not be bothering to push mail to the device because I like my keyboard on my pc and none of my email is important to view on the iphone certainly not list mail.



On 26/08/2019 7:36 PM, Vincent Le Goff wrote:

You know, that doesn’t sound so surprising.  I, to, have over 10 years of emails.  Windows mail (which I’m currently using) told me in no uncertain terms it won’t download more than a year of my emails (fine with me) but I could still search for older emails.  So I would think it might be worth doing that on Thunderbird.  I don’t know if there’s a setting to tell Thunderbird to only sync the last month as you said, and to clean up the 10 years of unnecessary emails and see if that’s better.  I would hope so!

 

Vincent

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: David Csercsics
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2019 12:43 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA in Employment

 

I was able to track down the thunderbird slowness to Google's silly

behaviour of archiving mail instead of deleting it from the server when

I deleted it in the client. I'm not sure how to get around this, other

than to go on the web mail and clean out the mail periodically, though I

think telling it to sync only 30 days worth of stuff should get me a lot

of the way there as well. I had something like 8 years of mail synced to

"all mail" locally, so no wonder it'd be slow. Even SSD would be slow

with a 7 gig data chunk like that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Re: NVDA in Employment

Vincent Le Goff <vincent.legoff.srs@...>
 

You know, that doesn’t sound so surprising.  I, to, have over 10 years of emails.  Windows mail (which I’m currently using) told me in no uncertain terms it won’t download more than a year of my emails (fine with me) but I could still search for older emails.  So I would think it might be worth doing that on Thunderbird.  I don’t know if there’s a setting to tell Thunderbird to only sync the last month as you said, and to clean up the 10 years of unnecessary emails and see if that’s better.  I would hope so!

 

Vincent

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: David Csercsics
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2019 12:43 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA in Employment

 

I was able to track down the thunderbird slowness to Google's silly

behaviour of archiving mail instead of deleting it from the server when

I deleted it in the client. I'm not sure how to get around this, other

than to go on the web mail and clean out the mail periodically, though I

think telling it to sync only 30 days worth of stuff should get me a lot

of the way there as well. I had something like 8 years of mail synced to

"all mail" locally, so no wonder it'd be slow. Even SSD would be slow

with a 7 gig data chunk like that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Re: A point on email clients

Vincent Le Goff <vincent.legoff.srs@...>
 

Hi Luke,

 

I would think so.  I don’t want to sound overly-paranoid here, just saying we have absolutely no idea what is being stored or used, despite Microsoft or other good will, so I tend to avoid depending on a single provider for all my data.  I just feel more comfortable.  No offense to anyone, personal choice.

 

Gmail webmail is accessible, just not what I’d call overly comfortable in Braille and does require a bit more switching and keyboard shortcuts… and of course, I have other email providers as well, so gmail can’t do it all.  Right now I’m using Windows Mail with no real problem, I’m just sad to have dropped an open-source software for a Windows native app.  But then, for accessibility’s sake, I expect this is not so infrequent.

 

Vincent

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Luke Davis
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2019 12:41 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A point on email clients

 

Vincent, I observe that you are already using Gmail. That leads to two

points: you must be okay with giving them access to your email, so why not the

big Microsoft overlord? Tongue in cheek of course. The second point is more

relevant: have you considered using the Gmail web interface for your mail? If I

recall correctly, there are at least two modes you can use that in; one of them

might work in a way you enjoy.

 

Just a thought.

 

All that said, if you are using a local IMAP client, be it outlook or windows

mail, or anything else, Microsoft or not, the provider shouldn't have any access

to your mail. That is not generally how it works. I imagine there would be

massive outcry among business customers, if it was learned that MS was sucking

in all the mail they transacted using Outlook, especially given Microsoft's

well known policy of "if it passes through our servers, it's our data".

So I very much doubt your concern is valid here.

 

Luke

 

  On Sun, 25 Aug 2019,

Vincent Le Goff wrote:

 

>

> Hi Gene,

>

>

> Thanks for y6our answer.  Hehe, I think Microsoft has enough data on me, giving it my email doesn't sound great.  But yeah, let's imagine they don't keep

> this data!  As I was saying I really can't use Thunderbird much (even writing this somewhat short message is a pain).

>

>

> I've tried eM client today, light and fast, like I wanted, but not accessible as far as I can tell.  So I guess I will need to find WLM somewhere.  But I

> must admit it's a big disappointment to me who places so much on open- source technology, so going from Thunderbird to Microsoft is a downgrade, not in

> terms of feature, but in terms of philosophy, if that makes any sense.

>

>

> Thanks again,

>

>

> Vincent

>

> On 8/25/2019 6:10 PM, Gene wrote:

>       What is wrong with using Windows Live Mail?  And what is wrong with using Microsoft products in general?  Some of the utilities and programs

>       included with Windows are designed to be easy to use and don't have options more advanced or demanding users might want or need.  But a general

>       avoidance of Microsoft products may lead to unnecessary problems or unnecessary time and effort looking for something else that works well. 

>  

> Windows Live Mail is completely accessible.  you can use the old menu version or the newer ribbon version.  You have to get it from someone, because

> Microsoft no longer supports and distributes it. 

> Gene

> ----- Original Message -----

>

> From: Vincent Le Goff

> Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2019 10:58 AM

> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Subject: [nvda] A point on email clients

>

> Hi everyone,

>

>

> This has been reported for a few weeks or months and things are getting

> worse, so I'm afraid I'll have to leave the Thunderbird community.  The

> client is getting extremely sluggish.  It behaves well for sighted users

> but the thing is not reporting information to NVDA in less than a few

> seconds for each key press, especially for us unfortunate relying on

> Braille.  Enough is enough. Thunderbird served its purpose but I need a

> fast email client and can't spend 2 hours reading my 100 daily emails

> (yep, I happen to receive lots of emails).

>

>

> But this "ragequit" will pose some problems.  The first, and obvious,

> is: what to use now?  Relying on Microsoft products doesn't sit too

> well, I'm already doing a lot of that, but it seems there aren't so many

> choices.  For awhile I heard about an open-source email client

> specifically created for accessibility, but I can't remember what the

> name was, who created it, and Google can't help me.

>

>

> So the debate is open: let's avoid the flamewar if possible, but what

> are you using?  What would be more fitting with NVDA?  I have a few

> requirements:

>

>

> - I'm running on Windows 10 (64-bit). Can't do without that.

>

> - I have two accounts and possibly three, so I need to have support for

> several email accounts and simple switches between them.

>

> - I need support for iMap, which is basically the only protocol I used

> to retreieve messages.

>

> - Support for simple text and HTML content is obviously a strong bonus.

>

>

> Thanks in advance for your advice!

>

>

> Vincent

>

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

Re: ALVA 544 Satellite Traveller braille display with NVDA

Mohammadreza Rashad
 

Hi, Unfortunately I don't have its driver CD.

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On Mon, Aug 26, 2019, 3:47 AM Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:
Install the driver from its disk that came with it.

I found this out with a humanware display I borrowed, the website driver
in this case didn't work and I had to install the driver from the driver
disk.



On 26/08/2019 8:44 AM, Mohammadreza Rashad wrote:
> Hello dear friends,
> I've borrowed an abovementioned braille display, and want to use it
> with NVDA. I connect the display using a USB cable. when I restart the
> computer, it displayed that it's OK and waiting for connection. But
> when NVDA starts, the display doesn't function.
> I think that I should install its driver, because Windows says that
> the driver is unavailable, but I couldn't find any driver for it. I
> even installed BRLTTY, but it didn't recognize the display. What
> should I do to use the display with NVDA?
> Windows 10.1903 x64, NVDA 2019.2, ALVA 544 Satellite Traveler braille display.
>



Re: NVDA in Employment

Quentin Christensen
 

Indeed Austin!  I think the misconception is that any malicious hacker can edit the code of any open source project - which completely misses how open source projects work.  Yes, anyone can submit a pull request (submit code) for NVDA, but before it goes into the final product, it needs to be reviewed by the core developers, and if you download NVDA from the official source, it's just as robust and secure as downloading any other (closed or open source) program from its official download page.

Also, I must apologise to Kelby - I inadvertently typed "Kelly" in my previous email, so my apologies Kelby!

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Mon, Aug 26, 2019 at 3:34 PM Austin Pinto <austinpinto.xaviers@...> wrote:
if open source software are not secure how is Linux powering most web servers?
some1 can make changes to the Linux kernel and do what they want.

On 8/26/19, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
> Hi Kelly,
>
> I see the skim reading question has been addressed, and I'll leave others
> to answer which screen reader they prefer, but in terms of using NVDA in a
> work environment, we certainly do have a lot of users who use NVDA in that
> context, both employees and also employers or institutions setting up NVDA
> in say, university labs, libraries or other public computers.
>
> For anyone looking into this either as an employer or an employee looking
> for information for their workplace, we have a page at
> https://www.nvaccess.org/corporate-government/ which answers a lot of
> common questions (including the security options within NVDA, and
> addressing the (unfounded) concern around the security of open-source
> software.
>
> If anyone (or any potential employers) have any lingering concerns, please
> do get in touch (or get them in touch) with us - info@... is the
> easiest way - and we'd be happy to discuss any concerns.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Quentin.
>
> On Sun, Aug 25, 2019 at 9:38 PM kelby carlson <kelbycarlson@...>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi, everyone,
>>
>> I hope this isn't too off-topic. I recently heard an argument that NVDA
>> is
>> bad for blind prospect's in employment because it is the "dumbed down"
>> solution. The person arguing this elaborated, saying that NVDA is not
>> customizable/flexible enough (too chatty"), that it was not able to be
>> scripted as easily, it didn't work well with as much proprietary
>> software,
>> and that it wouldn't be allowed on secure environments due to being open
>> source.
>>
>> So my question is this: how many people here use NVDA for work, and is
>> there a notable dilerence in level of usability with JAWS?
>>
>> Also, does NVDA have a skim reading feature like JAWS?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> Quentin Christensen
> Training and Support Manager
>
> Web: www.nvaccess.org
> Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
> Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/
> User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda
> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
> Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>
>
>
>
>


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Re: NVDA in Employment

 

if open source software are not secure how is Linux powering most web servers?
some1 can make changes to the Linux kernel and do what they want.

On 8/26/19, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
Hi Kelly,

I see the skim reading question has been addressed, and I'll leave others
to answer which screen reader they prefer, but in terms of using NVDA in a
work environment, we certainly do have a lot of users who use NVDA in that
context, both employees and also employers or institutions setting up NVDA
in say, university labs, libraries or other public computers.

For anyone looking into this either as an employer or an employee looking
for information for their workplace, we have a page at
https://www.nvaccess.org/corporate-government/ which answers a lot of
common questions (including the security options within NVDA, and
addressing the (unfounded) concern around the security of open-source
software.

If anyone (or any potential employers) have any lingering concerns, please
do get in touch (or get them in touch) with us - info@... is the
easiest way - and we'd be happy to discuss any concerns.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Sun, Aug 25, 2019 at 9:38 PM kelby carlson <kelbycarlson@...>
wrote:

Hi, everyone,

I hope this isn't too off-topic. I recently heard an argument that NVDA
is
bad for blind prospect's in employment because it is the "dumbed down"
solution. The person arguing this elaborated, saying that NVDA is not
customizable/flexible enough (too chatty"), that it was not able to be
scripted as easily, it didn't work well with as much proprietary
software,
and that it wouldn't be allowed on secure environments due to being open
source.

So my question is this: how many people here use NVDA for work, and is
there a notable dilerence in level of usability with JAWS?

Also, does NVDA have a skim reading feature like JAWS?



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Re: A point on email clients

Betsy Grenevitch
 

I sure wish I knew enough about thunderbird to help you Vincent--if you are still here. I use three different email addresses and am using Windows 10 and find thunderbird working well for me. Sometimes there are problems but for the most part I can fly through my email. I am using a laptop computer and do not know how many bits it is. It is a toshiba laptop.

Betsy


On 8/25/2019 1:14 PM, Robert Kingett wrote:

There is no other option. The only accessible open source email client is TB. OE Classic is freeware, and not open source, but there is no other option, at all, for open source email clients.

Re: Clock chimes

Betsy Grenevitch
 

Thank you. I should have looked further down the list before writing to Marcio. Hopefully this email will be seen first. I did not try to install the new sounds because that is above my comfort level at this point. I found my favorite sound in the list so am very happy.


Thank you again for all of your help.


Betsy


On 8/25/2019 4:48 AM, Robert Doc Wright godfearer wrote:

The clock is an addon. You can find it by opening the addon managerand  entering on ‘get addon’. Once installed open the NVDA menu, go to preferences, open settings and press c for clock.

I would suggest that before going in to set the clock take the files I provided and paste them into:

 

C:\users|your name\ap-data\roaming\NVDA\addons\clock\global\clock\waves

 

Then restart NVDA so that they will show in the list when you are ready to set the clock.

 

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Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 11:26 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Clock chimes

 

Could someone please tell me how I even get to the clock or how I download it? I would like to use it.

 

Thanks.

 

Betsy

 

On 8/24/2019 2:13 AM, Robert Doc Wright godfearer wrote:

Here are more chimes for the clock addon

https://www.dropbox.com/s/4ma5cczd0lvzlip/ClockChimes.zip?dl=1

 

 

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Re: Clock chimes

Betsy Grenevitch
 

Marcio, thank you so much. I cannot figure out how to get to the configuration settings for the clock. I am so sorry but am just learning NVDA on my own as I need different things. I wrote down all of the steps for what the combo boxes are for the settings for the clock once I get to that area. The ad-on has been downloaded and installed.




Thanks so much for your a;ssistance.


Betsy


On 8/25/2019 4:02 AM, Marcio via Groups.Io wrote:
Betsy,
Could someone please tell me how I even get to the clock or how I download it?
You can find this and other add-ons on the NVDA Add-ons Community Webpage.
The Clock add-on can be downloaded here.

Cheers,
Marcio AKA Starboy

Sent from a galaxy far, far away.

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Re: NVDA in Employment

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Kelly,

I see the skim reading question has been addressed, and I'll leave others to answer which screen reader they prefer, but in terms of using NVDA in a work environment, we certainly do have a lot of users who use NVDA in that context, both employees and also employers or institutions setting up NVDA in say, university labs, libraries or other public computers.

For anyone looking into this either as an employer or an employee looking for information for their workplace, we have a page at https://www.nvaccess.org/corporate-government/ which answers a lot of common questions (including the security options within NVDA, and addressing the (unfounded) concern around the security of open-source software.

If anyone (or any potential employers) have any lingering concerns, please do get in touch (or get them in touch) with us - info@... is the easiest way - and we'd be happy to discuss any concerns.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Sun, Aug 25, 2019 at 9:38 PM kelby carlson <kelbycarlson@...> wrote:
Hi, everyone,

I hope this isn't too off-topic. I recently heard an argument that NVDA is bad for blind prospect's in employment because it is the "dumbed down" solution. The person arguing this elaborated, saying that NVDA is not customizable/flexible enough (too chatty"), that it was not able to be scripted as easily, it didn't work well with as much proprietary software, and that it wouldn't be allowed on secure environments due to being open source.

So my question is this: how many people here use NVDA for work, and is there a notable dilerence in level of usability with JAWS?

Also, does NVDA have a skim reading feature like JAWS?





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Alexandre Alves Toco
 

I am very ancious to come back to use nvda at work. For now, the bug that makes nvda double read treeview itens in eclipse make my life very difficult.

So I have to go back to na old jaws version that reads treeviews in eclipse correctly.

I pray to have this bug fixed so I could return to nvda.

 

Enviado do Email para Windows 10

 

De: Tony Malykh
Enviado:domingo, 25 de agosto de 2019 18:09
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: Re: [nvda] NVDA in Emploandenp

 

My two cents: I use NVDA at work. My reasons are:

1. Superior scripting. I wrote half a dozen NVDA add-ons that greatly

boost my productivity. For example, IndentNav, TextNav, BrowserNav.

Writing similar scripts for Jaws would be hard since I'd have to learn

new scripting language, and I was told (correct me if I'm wrong) some of

my add-ons would be impossible to implement in Jaws scripting model

since it is more limited in nature.

2. Better maintenance. Let's be honest, both NVDA and Jaws do have bugs.

However I am delighted to observe that NVDA bugs do get fixed in a very

timely fashion. An example of that would be recent breakage of

Notepad++, that was fixed within only 10 days. To give you example from

the other side, command prompt in Jaws had been broken for two years

(approximately entire 2016 and 2017) and all my attempts to talk to Jaws

customer support ended up with pretty generic messages "we're working

hard on it, but it's not our fault anyways." This was actually the

reason why I switched to NVDA - it is hard to keep your job knowing that

an essential tool can get broken for years.

> it wouldn't be allowed on secure environments due to being open source.

It is allowed at my work. Now I've indeed heard of cases when IT

department wouldn't allow you to use NVDA with this excuse. It is

important to understand the difference between real reasons and excuses.

This one sounds to me like an excuse - there is nothing whatsoever in

open-source software that makes it inherently insecure. However there

are people in IT departments, who are lazy, and sometimes dumb - pardon

my French. And in order to avoid doing a little bit of work, they might

just reject NVDA with this excuse. On the positive side, it seems to me

this happens rarely enough these days.

--Tony

 

 

On 8/25/2019 4:38 AM, kelby carlson wrote:

> Hi, everyone,

> I hope this isn't too off-topic. I recently heard an argument that NVDA is bad for blind prospect's in employment because it is the "dumbed down" solution. The person arguing this elaborated, saying that NVDA is not customizable/flexible enough (too chatty"), that it was not able to be scripted as easily, it didn't work well with as much proprietary software, and that it wouldn't be allowed on secure environments due to being open source.

> So my question is this: how many people here use NVDA for work, and is there a notable dilerence in level of usability with JAWS?

> Also, does NVDA have a skim reading feature like JAWS?

>

 

 

 

Re: The new microsoft edge chromium based browser troubles with nvda not going to browse mode

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi


I deleted out the portable version of the latest alfa snap shot as of this morning and installed a fresh copy.


Getting the same results when you go into the new microsoft edge dev version of the browser.

It does not do it with the stable version of nvda 2019.2



It goes to load and seems like it does not. You can not use your tab keys or arrow keys nor go from focus mode to browse mode in it now.

I have set nvda to debug if this helps.


INFO - __main__ (14:40:39.372):
Starting NVDA
INFO - core.main (14:40:39.591):
Config dir: C:\nvda alfa snapshots\userConfig
INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (14:40:39.591):
Loading config: .\userConfig\nvda.ini
INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (14:40:39.622):
Config loaded (after upgrade, and in the state it will be used by NVDA):
{'schemaVersion': '3', 'development': {}, 'upgrade': {}, 'general': {'language': 'Windows', 'saveConfigurationOnExit': 'True', 'askToExit': 'True', 'playStartAndExitSounds': 'True', 'loggingLevel': 'DEBUG', 'showWelcomeDialogAtStartup': 'False'}, 'update': {'autoCheck': 'True', 'startupNotification': 'True', 'allowUsageStats': 'False', 'askedAllowUsageStats': 'True'}, 'speech': {'synth': 'espeak', 'outputDevice': 'Microsoft Sound Mapper', 'oneCore': {'voice': 'HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\\SOFTWARE\\Microsoft\\Speech_OneCore\\Voices\\Tokens\\MSTTS_V110_enUS_DavidM', 'volume': '100'}, 'espeak': {'voice': 'en', 'variant': 'max', 'rate': '30', 'pitch': '40', 'inflection': '75', 'volume': '100'}}, 'braille': {'noBraille': {}}, 'keyboard': {'useCapsLockAsNVDAModifierKey': 'True'}, 'virtualBuffers': {'useScreenLayout': 'False', 'autoPassThroughOnCaretMove': 'True', 'passThroughAudioIndication': 'False'}, 'documentFormatting': {'includeLayoutTables': 'True'}, 'mouse': {'enableMouseTracking': 'False'}}
DEBUG - core.main (14:40:39.731):
setting language to Windows
INFO - core.main (14:40:39.747):
NVDA version alpha-18450,8c27752f
INFO - core.main (14:40:39.747):
Using Windows version 10.0.18362 workstation
INFO - core.main (14:40:39.747):
Using Python version 3.7.4 (tags/v3.7.4:e09359112e, Jul  8 2019, 19:29:22) [MSC v.1916 32 bit (Intel)]
INFO - core.main (14:40:39.747):
Using comtypes version 1.1.7
INFO - core.main (14:40:39.747):
Using configobj version 5.1.0 with validate version 1.0.1
DEBUG - core.main (14:40:39.764):
Initializing add-ons system
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (14:40:39.764):
Listing add-ons from C:\nvda alfa snapshots\userConfig\addons
WARNING - baseObject.Getter.__init__ (14:40:39.794):
Abstract class properties are not supported.
DEBUGWARNING - touchHandler.touchSupported (14:40:40.226):
Touch only supported on installed copies
DEBUG - core.main (14:40:40.375):
Initializing appModule Handler
DEBUG - core.main (14:40:40.375):
Initializing NVDAHelper
DEBUG - core.main (14:40:40.476):
Speech Dictionary processing
DEBUG - speechDictHandler.SpeechDict.load (14:40:40.476):
Loading speech dictionary '.\userConfig\speechDicts\default.dic'...
DEBUG - speechDictHandler.SpeechDict.load (14:40:40.476):
file '.\userConfig\speechDicts\default.dic' not found.
DEBUG - speechDictHandler.SpeechDict.load (14:40:40.476):
Loading speech dictionary 'builtin.dic'...
DEBUG - speechDictHandler.SpeechDict.load (14:40:40.476):
3 loaded records.
DEBUG - core.main (14:40:40.476):
Initializing speech
INFO - synthDrivers.espeak.SynthDriver.__init__ (14:40:40.599):
Using eSpeak NG version b'1.49.3 dev'
DEBUG - speechDictHandler.SpeechDict.load (14:40:40.764):
Loading speech dictionary '.\userConfig\speechDicts\voiceDicts.v1\espeak\espeak-English (Great Britain).dic'...
DEBUG - speechDictHandler.SpeechDict.load (14:40:40.764):
file '.\userConfig\speechDicts\voiceDicts.v1\espeak\espeak-English (Great Britain).dic' not found.
DEBUG - synthDriverHandler.SynthDriver.loadSettings (14:40:40.768):
Loaded settings for SynthDriver espeak
INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (14:40:40.768):
Loaded synthDriver espeak
INFO - core.main (14:40:40.768):
Using wx version 4.0.3 msw (phoenix) wxWidgets 3.0.5 with six version 1.12.0
DEBUG - core.main (14:40:40.770):
Initializing braille input
INFO - brailleInput.initialize (14:40:40.770):
Braille input initialized
DEBUG - core.main (14:40:40.770):
Initializing braille
INFO - braille.initialize (14:40:40.774):
Using liblouis version 3.10.0
INFO - braille.initialize (14:40:40.780):
Using pySerial version 3.4
INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (14:40:40.794):
Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0 cells.
DEBUG - core.main (14:40:40.794):
Initializing vision
DEBUG - core.main (14:40:40.794):
Initializing displayModel
DEBUG - core.main (14:40:40.794):
Initializing GUI
DEBUG - windowUtils._rawWindowProc (14:40:40.844):
CustomWindow rawWindowProc called for unknown window 328094
DEBUG - windowUtils._rawWindowProc (14:40:40.844):
CustomWindow rawWindowProc called for unknown window 328094
DEBUG - windowUtils._rawWindowProc (14:40:40.844):
CustomWindow rawWindowProc called for unknown window 328094
DEBUG - windowUtils._rawWindowProc (14:40:40.844):
CustomWindow rawWindowProc called for unknown window 328094
DEBUG - core.main (14:40:40.864):
initializing Java Access Bridge support
DEBUG - core.main (14:40:41.230):
Initializing legacy winConsole support
DEBUG - core.main (14:40:41.230):
Initializing UIA support
INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (14:40:41.261):
UIAutomation: IUIAutomation6
DEBUG - core.main (14:40:41.446):
Initializing IAccessible support
DEBUG - core.main (14:40:41.461):
Initializing input core
DEBUGWARNING - inputCore.InputManager.loadLocaleGestureMap (14:40:41.461):
No locale gesture map for language en
DEBUGWARNING - inputCore.InputManager.loadUserGestureMap (14:40:41.461):
No user gesture map
DEBUG - core.main (14:40:41.461):
Initializing keyboard handler
DEBUG - core.main (14:40:41.461):
initializing mouse handler
DEBUG - core.main (14:40:41.546):
Initializing touchHandler
DEBUGWARNING - touchHandler.touchSupported (14:40:41.546):
Touch only supported on installed copies
DEBUG - core.main (14:40:41.546):
Initializing global plugin handler
DEBUG - core.main (14:40:41.546):
Initializing core pump
DEBUG - core.main (14:40:41.546):
Initializing watchdog
DEBUG - core.main (14:40:41.562):
initializing updateCheck
INFO - core.main (14:40:41.562):
NVDA initialized
DEBUG - core.main (14:40:41.562):
entering wx application main loop
IO - speech.speak (14:40:41.599):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), 'Taskbar']
DEBUGWARNING - characterProcessing._getSpeechSymbolsForLocale (14:40:41.599):
No CLDR data for locale en_GB
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (14:40:45.593):
Input: kb(desktop):windows+d
IO - speech.speak (14:40:45.609):
Speaking [CharacterModeCommand(True), LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), 'd', EndUtteranceCommand()]
IO - speech.speak (14:40:45.953):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), 'FolderView  list']
IO - speech.speak (14:40:45.973):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), 'Recycle Bin  not selected  1 of 65']
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (14:40:48.478):
Input: kb(desktop):m
IO - speech.speak (14:40:48.554):
Speaking [CharacterModeCommand(True), LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), 'm', EndUtteranceCommand()]
IO - speech.speak (14:40:48.594):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), 'Malwarebytes  3 of 65']
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (14:40:49.804):
Input: kb(desktop):m
IO - speech.speak (14:40:49.851):
Speaking [CharacterModeCommand(True), LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), 'm', EndUtteranceCommand()]
IO - speech.speak (14:40:49.878):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), 'Mozilla Thunderbird  14 of 65']
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (14:40:51.414):
Input: kb(desktop):m
IO - speech.speak (14:40:51.494):
Speaking [CharacterModeCommand(True), LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), 'm', EndUtteranceCommand()]
IO - speech.speak (14:40:51.534):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), 'Microsoft Edge Dev  46 of 65']
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (14:40:53.654):
Input: kb(desktop):enter
IO - speech.speak (14:40:55.326):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), 'Untitled - Microsoft Edge Dev']
IO - speech.speak (14:40:57.024):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), 'Latest breaking news NZ | Stuff.co.nz | New Zealand - Microsoft Edge Dev']
DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole (14:40:57.234):
accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'The parameter is incorrect.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole (14:41:01.589):
accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'The parameter is incorrect.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole (14:41:02.410):
accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'The parameter is incorrect.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole (14:41:03.417):
accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'The parameter is incorrect.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole (14:41:06.254):
accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'The parameter is incorrect.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole (14:41:06.370):
accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'The parameter is incorrect.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole (14:41:06.740):
accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'The parameter is incorrect.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole (14:41:06.770):
accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'The parameter is incorrect.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole (14:41:07.275):
accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'The parameter is incorrect.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole (14:41:13.132):
accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'The parameter is incorrect.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole (14:41:14.256):
accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'The parameter is incorrect.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
DEBUG - treeInterceptorHandler.update (14:41:19.715):
Adding new treeInterceptor to runningTable: <NVDAObjects.IAccessible.chromium.ChromeVBuf object at 0x068390D0>
DEBUGWARNING - virtualBuffers.VirtualBuffer.prepare (14:41:19.717):
appModule has no binding handle to injected code, can't prepare virtualBuffer yet.
DEBUGWARNING - virtualBuffers.VirtualBuffer.prepare (14:41:19.721):
appModule has no binding handle to injected code, can't prepare virtualBuffer yet.
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (14:41:29.835):
Input: kb(desktop):tab
DEBUGWARNING - virtualBuffers.VirtualBuffer.prepare (14:41:33.928):
appModule has no binding handle to injected code, can't prepare virtualBuffer yet.
DEBUGWARNING - virtualBuffers.VirtualBuffer.prepare (14:41:33.931):
appModule has no binding handle to injected code, can't prepare virtualBuffer yet.
DEBUGWARNING - virtualBuffers.VirtualBuffer.prepare (14:41:33.941):
appModule has no binding handle to injected code, can't prepare virtualBuffer yet.
DEBUGWARNING - virtualBuffers.VirtualBuffer.prepare (14:41:33.951):
appModule has no binding handle to injected code, can't prepare virtualBuffer yet.
DEBUGWARNING - virtualBuffers.VirtualBuffer.prepare (14:41:33.961):
appModule has no binding handle to injected code, can't prepare virtualBuffer yet.
DEBUGWARNING - virtualBuffers.VirtualBuffer.prepare (14:41:33.971):
appModule has no binding handle to injected code, can't prepare virtualBuffer yet.
IO - speech.speak (14:41:33.982):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), 'list']
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (14:41:35.787):
Input: kb(desktop):tab
DEBUGWARNING - virtualBuffers.VirtualBuffer.prepare (14:41:36.670):
appModule has no binding handle to injected code, can't prepare virtualBuffer yet.
DEBUGWARNING - virtualBuffers.VirtualBuffer.prepare (14:41:36.671):
appModule has no binding handle to injected code, can't prepare virtualBuffer yet.
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (14:41:40.451):
Input: kb(desktop):tab
DEBUGWARNING - virtualBuffers.VirtualBuffer.prepare (14:41:40.571):
appModule has no binding handle to injected code, can't prepare virtualBuffer yet.
DEBUGWARNING - virtualBuffers.VirtualBuffer.prepare (14:41:40.576):
appModule has no binding handle to injected code, can't prepare virtualBuffer yet.
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (14:41:44.282):
Input: kb(desktop):downArrow
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (14:41:46.570):
Input: kb(desktop):l
IO - speech.speak (14:41:46.592):
Speaking [CharacterModeCommand(True), LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), 'l', EndUtteranceCommand()]
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (14:41:48.018):
Input: kb(desktop):tab
IO - speech.speakTypedCharacters (14:41:48.031):
typed word: l
DEBUGWARNING - virtualBuffers.VirtualBuffer.prepare (14:41:48.131):
appModule has no binding handle to injected code, can't prepare virtualBuffer yet.
DEBUGWARNING - virtualBuffers.VirtualBuffer.prepare (14:41:48.138):
appModule has no binding handle to injected code, can't prepare virtualBuffer yet.
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (14:41:49.362):
Input: kb(desktop):alt+tab
IO - speech.speak (14:41:49.622):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), 'Latest breaking news NZ | Stuff.co.nz | New Zealand - Microsoft Edge  row 1  column 1']
IO - speech.speak (14:41:49.637):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), 'Latest breaking news NZ | Stuff.co.nz | New Zealand - Microsoft Edge  row 1  column 1']
IO - speech.speak (14:41:50.475):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), 'Latest breaking news NZ | Stuff.co.nz | New Zealand - Microsoft Edge Dev']
DEBUGWARNING - virtualBuffers.VirtualBuffer.prepare (14:41:50.712):
appModule has no binding handle to injected code, can't prepare virtualBuffer yet.
DEBUGWARNING - virtualBuffers.VirtualBuffer.prepare (14:41:50.718):
appModule has no binding handle to injected code, can't prepare virtualBuffer yet.
DEBUGWARNING - virtualBuffers.VirtualBuffer.prepare (14:41:50.723):
appModule has no binding handle to injected code, can't prepare virtualBuffer yet.
DEBUGWARNING - virtualBuffers.VirtualBuffer.prepare (14:41:50.729):
appModule has no binding handle to injected code, can't prepare virtualBuffer yet.
DEBUGWARNING - virtualBuffers.VirtualBuffer.prepare (14:41:50.735):
appModule has no binding handle to injected code, can't prepare virtualBuffer yet.
DEBUGWARNING - virtualBuffers.VirtualBuffer.prepare (14:41:50.740):
appModule has no binding handle to injected code, can't prepare virtualBuffer yet.
DEBUGWARNING - virtualBuffers.VirtualBuffer.prepare (14:41:50.746):
appModule has no binding handle to injected code, can't prepare virtualBuffer yet.
IO - speech.speak (14:41:50.749):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), 'Latest breaking news NZ | Stuff.co.nz | New Zealand  document']
IO - speech.speak (14:41:50.755):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), 'list']
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (14:42:00.682):
Input: kb(desktop):downArrow
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (14:42:01.938):
Input: kb(desktop):NVDA+space
IO - speech.speak (14:42:01.951):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), 'Focus mode']
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (14:42:03.618):
Input: kb(desktop):NVDA+space
ERROR - scriptHandler.executeScript (14:42:03.641):
error executing script: <bound method GlobalCommands.script_toggleVirtualBufferPassThrough of <globalCommands.GlobalCommands object at 0x067E3170>> with gesture 'NVDA+space'
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "scriptHandler.pyc", line 205, in executeScript
  File "globalCommands.pyc", line 1301, in script_toggleVirtualBufferPassThrough
  File "treeInterceptorHandler.pyc", line 139, in _set_passThrough
  File "review.pyc", line 124, in setCurrentMode
  File "review.pyc", line 48, in getDocumentPosition
  File "documentBase.pyc", line 24, in makeTextInfo
  File "virtualBuffers\__init__.pyc", line 210, in __init__
  File "textInfos\offsets.pyc", line 404, in __init__
  File "virtualBuffers\__init__.pyc", line 198, in _getOffsetsFromNVDAObject
  File "virtualBuffers\__init__.pyc", line 193, in _getOffsetsFromNVDAObjectInBuffer
  File "virtualBuffers\__init__.pyc", line 167, in _getOffsetsFromFieldIdentifier
OSError: [WinError 1775] A null context handle was passed from the client to the host during a remote procedure call
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (14:42:04.786):
Input: kb(desktop):tab
DEBUGWARNING - virtualBuffers.VirtualBuffer.prepare (14:42:04.914):
appModule has no binding handle to injected code, can't prepare virtualBuffer yet.
DEBUGWARNING - virtualBuffers.VirtualBuffer.prepare (14:42:04.924):
appModule has no binding handle to injected code, can't prepare virtualBuffer yet.
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (14:42:05.994):
Input: kb(desktop):NVDA+space
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (14:42:14.802):
Input: kb(desktop):NVDA+f1
DEBUGWARNING - displayModel.DisplayModelTextInfo._get__storyFieldsAndRects (14:42:14.815):
AppModule does not have a binding handle
INFO - globalCommands.GlobalCommands.script_navigatorObject_devInfo (14:42:15.090):
Developer info for navigator object:
name: 'Business Directory'
role: ROLE_LINK
states: STATE_FOCUSABLE, STATE_LINKED, STATE_FOCUSED
isFocusable: True
hasFocus: True
Python object: <NVDAObjects.IAccessible.ia2Web.Ia2Web object at 0x06825490>
Python class mro: (<class 'NVDAObjects.IAccessible.ia2Web.Ia2Web'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.window.Window'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObject'>, <class 'documentBase.TextContainerObject'>, <class 'baseObject.ScriptableObject'>, <class 'baseObject.AutoPropertyObject'>, <class 'object'>)
description: None
location: RectLTWH(left=503, top=348, width=119, height=16)
value: 'https://www.neighbourly.co.nz/local/'
appModule: <'appModuleHandler' (appName 'msedge', process ID 5268) at address 6521710>
appModule.productName: 'Microsoft Edge'
appModule.productVersion: '78.0.249.1'
TextInfo: <class 'NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IA2TextTextInfo'>
windowHandle: 918778
windowClassName: 'Chrome_RenderWidgetHostHWND'
windowControlID: 835116960
windowStyle: 1445986304
extendedWindowStyle: 32
windowThreadID: 2972
windowText: 'Chrome Legacy Window'
displayText: ''
IAccessibleObject: <POINTER(IAccessible2) ptr=0x5cae2ac at 674a670>
IAccessibleChildID: 0
IAccessible event parameters: windowHandle=918778, objectID=-4, childID=-73
IAccessible accName: 'Business Directory'
IAccessible accRole: ROLE_SYSTEM_LINK
IAccessible accState: STATE_SYSTEM_FOCUSED, STATE_SYSTEM_FOCUSABLE, STATE_SYSTEM_LINKED, STATE_SYSTEM_VALID (5242884)
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On 26/08/2019 1:16 PM, David Csercsics wrote:
The new Edge works fine here with the NVDA alpha, unless you downloaded a later version than the one I have. I'll have a look at that. But I used it this morning and it was behaving as expected.





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Re: Where Can I send log?

Jackie
 

Quentin, I may have fixed it myself, but I'm going to wait awhile to
see if I can break things first, before proclaiming that too loudly.

Specifically, I disabled the options in Excel to show the mini toolbar
on selection, as well as the option to enable live preview.

I was getting a lot of "core frozen in stack" errors. & that seemed
pretty much right, as the computer locked up tighter than a frog's
tail, which is watertight. Now I'll just have to try different files
w/various programs open to see if the problem repeats or if I did in
fact resolve it on my own. I hate holding my breath--I don't look that
good blue--but that's about where we're at w/this.

On 8/25/19, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
Hi Jackie,

If you could send it to me at info@..., I'm happy to have a look.
If you could give a bit of description about what steps you used to
encounter the situation that would be great too please.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Sat, Aug 24, 2019 at 7:44 AM Jackie <abletec@...> wrote:

I've been having issues w/NVDA & Excel 2010 for a good while now. To
put the matter succinctly, NVDA simply freezes. I've finally managed
to capture this in a log. I could post it to the list, but that seems
rather unfair, as it wouldn't interest most & it's fairly long. So
where should I send it?

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