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Re: excel problem

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 

To be honest I usually use Jaws for Excel.

 

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From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Monday, September 9, 2019 4:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] excel problem

 

Did the headers thign work? I might be learningn xcel for math or what not and want to know in case I run into the issue.

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On 9 Sep 2019, at 13:43, Robert Doc Wright godfearer wrote:

There are a number of talking blood pressure meters. Check at Walgreens.

 

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From: stancil tootle
Sent: Monday, September 9, 2019 2:05 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] excel problem

 

How do you check your pressure without seeing please?


On Sep 9, 2019, at 12:20 PM, Gary Metzler <gmtravel@...> wrote:

Hi All,

 

I am using the latest windows 10 and nvda.  I am using excel 2016. 

I created a spreadsheet to track my blood pressure but when I go to enter a number nvda speaks a prior number.  Is there a setting I need to change?  Also I have nvda set to announce headers but, it doesn’t do it.  Thanks for any help.

 

 

 


Re: Screen recorder.

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 

Are you not able to get your print screen to work?

 

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From: Chantelle Buys
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2019 4:56 AM
To: nvda
Subject: [nvda] Screen recorder.

 

Hi.

 

Does anyone know of a screen recorder that works with NVDA?

 

Chantelle

 

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Screen recorder.

Chantelle Buys
 

Hi.

Does anyone know of a screen recorder that works with NVDA?

Chantelle

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Re: What is UI automation in Windows console for?

Vincent Le Goff <vincent.legoff.srs@...>
 

I will.  Don't worry, you'll hear me cry in agony if Braille accessibility is broken.  But if I can avoid that, I will for sure!


Vincent

On 9/10/2019 12:44 PM, Lukasz Golonka wrote:
Hello,

On Tue, 10 Sep 2019 11:13:58 +0200
"Vincent Le Goff" <vincent.legoff.srs@...> wrote:

To us, it might sound like magic indeed!  But as long as the feature is considered still a work in progress, I won't complain. Just don't merge it right now (don't know if it's worth opening an issue to report how Braille support works, or doesn't work, in this setup).
It definitely is. This option would be, and (in the Alpha versions is
already) on by default on recent versions of Windows 10. So if you can
please try with the latest Alpha versions, and if the problem persist
create an issue.


Re: What is UI automation in Windows console for?

Lukasz Golonka <wulfryk1@...>
 

Hello,

On Tue, 10 Sep 2019 11:13:58 +0200
"Vincent Le Goff" <vincent.legoff.srs@...> wrote:

To us, it might sound like magic indeed!  But as long as the feature is considered still a work in progress, I won't complain. Just don't merge it right now (don't know if it's worth opening an issue to report how Braille support works, or doesn't work, in this setup).

It definitely is. This option would be, and (in the Alpha versions is
already) on by default on recent versions of Windows 10. So if you can
please try with the latest Alpha versions, and if the problem persist
create an issue.


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Re: Broken Table Function: NFL Standings On ESPN Website Are Unreadable

Gene
 

Maybe there is a better site, and I don't know if this suggestion will make the site useable enough to bother but you could have the page opened in two browsers.  One could be on the names, the other could be in the numberz table.  You could move down the names in one browser, alt tab to the other, and find the numbers that correspond. 
For example, move five names from the top and in the numbers table. move five sets of numbers down.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2019 5:24 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Broken Table Function: NFL Standings On ESPN Website Are Unreadable

As is often the case when working with tables, it’s a site problem.  If you try to move while on a name, you will hear NVDA announce edge of table.
If you are in the numbers, you can move.  The numbers are a separate table.  For some unfathomable reason, the names are in their own table.  Visually, it may look identical but it isn't.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2019 1:53 AM
Subject: [nvda] Broken Table Function: NFL Standings On ESPN Website Are Unreadable

Hi Group,

If you visit the following URL: https://www.espn.com/nfl/standings, you
will see that trying to navigate the standings for the National Football
League using standard navigation keystrokes (control + alt + left/right
arrows and control + alt + up/down arrows) does not work.  You stay in
the first column and can't move to any other columns.

Does anyone else experience this and if so, is this a known bug?

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Re: Broken Table Function: NFL Standings On ESPN Website Are Unreadable

Gene
 

As is often the case when working with tables, it’s a site problem.  If you try to move while on a name, you will hear NVDA announce edge of table.
If you are in the numbers, you can move.  The numbers are a separate table.  For some unfathomable reason, the names are in their own table.  Visually, it may look identical but it isn't.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2019 1:53 AM
Subject: [nvda] Broken Table Function: NFL Standings On ESPN Website Are Unreadable

Hi Group,

If you visit the following URL: https://www.espn.com/nfl/standings, you
will see that trying to navigate the standings for the National Football
League using standard navigation keystrokes (control + alt + left/right
arrows and control + alt + up/down arrows) does not work.  You stay in
the first column and can't move to any other columns.

Does anyone else experience this and if so, is this a known bug?

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They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"




Re: What is UI automation in Windows console for?

Jacob Kruger
 

If you open the NVDA 19.2 user guide, and, find the heading level 5, "Use UI Automation to access the Windows Console when available", then under it, you will find the text I copied, including a link to the following page on windows accessibility:

https://devblogs.microsoft.com/commandline/whats-new-in-windows-console-in-windows-10-fall-creators-update/


And, the title of that page is the following: What’s new in Windows Console in Windows 10 Fall Creators Update".


In other words, it sounds to me like NVDA is trying to keep up to date with what windows 10 development team is doing themselves?


Jacob Kruger
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"Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2019-09-10 11:11 AM, Rob Hudson wrote:
But it doesn't tell us how it will do that. Sounds like a lot of doublespeak to me.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jacob Kruger" <jacob@...>
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2019 11:10:11 +0200
Subject: Re: [nvda] What is UI automation in Windows console for?

Vincent, from the what's new documentation/feature listing:

Use UI Automation to access the Windows Console when available
When this option is enabled, NVDA will use a new, work in progress
version of its support for Windows Console which takes advantage of
accessibility improvements made by Microsoft. This feature is highly
experimental and is still incomplete, so its use is not yet recommended.
However, once completed, it is anticipated that this new support will
become the default, improving NVDA's performance and stability in
Windows command consoles.


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
"Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."
On 2019-09-10 10:41 AM, Vincent Le Goff wrote:
Hi everyone,


I recently saw some users advising to turn on the "UI automation in
Windows console settings" for those experiencing issues with the
Windows console.  I'm relying a lot on this console (that is, cmd.exe,
not PowerShell) for development, testing and such.  I couldn't find
what this setting was.  I did try to turn it on and, (ho horrors), my
Braille display saw nothing but weird characters in the console!  So I
quickly turned it off.  Don't know what the synthesizer reports, but
my Braille display doesn't report anything consistent, or even readable.


Can someone elaborate on what this setting is supposed to do? There's
a good reason it's in "advanced settings", I guess, but if it's bound
to be merged and active by default in later versions of NVDA, I will
stress that it's not working (at least, in Braille, as far as I could
tell).  I couldn't find a document that explained this feature in more
details, I might have missed it.


Just curious here.


Cheers,


Vincent






Re: links and buttons problem found.

Luke Davis
 

The Audio Themes add-on has been a bit unstable for a while, and in some circumstances could really slow down NVDA in all 2019 versions.

In 2019.2, I believe it became unstable enough that it has been removed from stable add-ons on the website.

I think I heard that it is being worked on, however. So there is some hope for those who liked it, that it will be back eventually.

But for now, if you use it, expect oddness.

Luke

On Tue, 10 Sep 2019, Chantelle Buys wrote:

I had no problems with the addon until I reinstalled it after
reinstalling windows.

Oh well, it was fun using it while it lasted.


Re: What is UI automation in Windows console for?

Luke Davis
 

On Tue, 10 Sep 2019, Vincent Le Goff wrote:

right now (don't know if it's worth opening an issue to report how Braille support works, or doesn't work, in this setup).
Probably so. I don't remember hearing of that particular issue before. Worth a search first, but it may help to refine the feature.

Luke


Re: What is UI automation in Windows console for?

Vincent Le Goff <vincent.legoff.srs@...>
 

To us, it might sound like magic indeed!  But as long as the feature is considered still a work in progress, I won't complain. Just don't merge it right now (don't know if it's worth opening an issue to report how Braille support works, or doesn't work, in this setup).


Vincent

On 9/10/2019 11:11 AM, Rob Hudson wrote:
But it doesn't tell us how it will do that. Sounds like a lot of doublespeak to me.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jacob Kruger" <jacob@...>
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2019 11:10:11 +0200
Subject: Re: [nvda] What is UI automation in Windows console for?

Vincent, from the what's new documentation/feature listing:

Use UI Automation to access the Windows Console when available
When this option is enabled, NVDA will use a new, work in progress
version of its support for Windows Console which takes advantage of
accessibility improvements made by Microsoft. This feature is highly
experimental and is still incomplete, so its use is not yet recommended.
However, once completed, it is anticipated that this new support will
become the default, improving NVDA's performance and stability in
Windows command consoles.


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
"Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."
On 2019-09-10 10:41 AM, Vincent Le Goff wrote:
Hi everyone,


I recently saw some users advising to turn on the "UI automation in
Windows console settings" for those experiencing issues with the
Windows console.  I'm relying a lot on this console (that is, cmd.exe,
not PowerShell) for development, testing and such.  I couldn't find
what this setting was.  I did try to turn it on and, (ho horrors), my
Braille display saw nothing but weird characters in the console!  So I
quickly turned it off.  Don't know what the synthesizer reports, but
my Braille display doesn't report anything consistent, or even readable.


Can someone elaborate on what this setting is supposed to do? There's
a good reason it's in "advanced settings", I guess, but if it's bound
to be merged and active by default in later versions of NVDA, I will
stress that it's not working (at least, in Braille, as far as I could
tell).  I couldn't find a document that explained this feature in more
details, I might have missed it.


Just curious here.


Cheers,


Vincent






Re: What is UI automation in Windows console for?

Rob Hudson
 

But it doesn't tell us how it will do that. Sounds like a lot of doublespeak to me.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jacob Kruger" <jacob@...>
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2019 11:10:11 +0200
Subject: Re: [nvda] What is UI automation in Windows console for?

Vincent, from the what's new documentation/feature listing:

Use UI Automation to access the Windows Console when available
When this option is enabled, NVDA will use a new, work in progress
version of its support for Windows Console which takes advantage of
accessibility improvements made by Microsoft. This feature is highly
experimental and is still incomplete, so its use is not yet recommended.
However, once completed, it is anticipated that this new support will
become the default, improving NVDA's performance and stability in
Windows command consoles.


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
"Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."
On 2019-09-10 10:41 AM, Vincent Le Goff wrote:
Hi everyone,


I recently saw some users advising to turn on the "UI automation in
Windows console settings" for those experiencing issues with the
Windows console. I'm relying a lot on this console (that is, cmd.exe,
not PowerShell) for development, testing and such. I couldn't find
what this setting was. I did try to turn it on and, (ho horrors), my
Braille display saw nothing but weird characters in the console! So I
quickly turned it off. Don't know what the synthesizer reports, but
my Braille display doesn't report anything consistent, or even readable.


Can someone elaborate on what this setting is supposed to do? There's
a good reason it's in "advanced settings", I guess, but if it's bound
to be merged and active by default in later versions of NVDA, I will
stress that it's not working (at least, in Braille, as far as I could
tell). I couldn't find a document that explained this feature in more
details, I might have missed it.


Just curious here.


Cheers,


Vincent







Re: What is UI automation in Windows console for?

Jacob Kruger
 

Vincent, from the what's new documentation/feature listing:

Use UI Automation to access the Windows Console when available
When this option is enabled, NVDA will use a new, work in progress version of its support for Windows Console which takes advantage of accessibility improvements made by Microsoft. This feature is highly experimental and is still incomplete, so its use is not yet recommended. However, once completed, it is anticipated that this new support will become the default, improving NVDA's performance and stability in Windows command consoles.


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
"Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2019-09-10 10:41 AM, Vincent Le Goff wrote:
Hi everyone,


I recently saw some users advising to turn on the "UI automation in Windows console settings" for those experiencing issues with the Windows console.  I'm relying a lot on this console (that is, cmd.exe, not PowerShell) for development, testing and such.  I couldn't find what this setting was.  I did try to turn it on and, (ho horrors), my Braille display saw nothing but weird characters in the console!  So I quickly turned it off.  Don't know what the synthesizer reports, but my Braille display doesn't report anything consistent, or even readable.


Can someone elaborate on what this setting is supposed to do? There's a good reason it's in "advanced settings", I guess, but if it's bound to be merged and active by default in later versions of NVDA, I will stress that it's not working (at least, in Braille, as far as I could tell).  I couldn't find a document that explained this feature in more details, I might have missed it.


Just curious here.


Cheers,


Vincent




Re: links and buttons problem found.

Chantelle Buys
 

Hi.

I had no problems with the addon until I reinstalled it after
reinstalling windows.

Oh well, it was fun using it while it lasted.

Chantelle

On 9/10/19, Shaun Everiss <@smeveriss> wrote:
I think that is not compatible and is either being worked on or has been
pulled.

I forgot its state.



On 9/09/2019 10:24 pm, Chantelle Buys wrote:
Afternoon everyone.

I've found the problem or rather the cause of my problems.

After reinstalling my windows twice this morning I found that when I
reinstalled my NVDA addons, the buttons would just read as apply, okay
and cancel without saying button before it and the same went for the
links as well.

I uninstalled all my addons and reinstalled them one by one until I
found the one that was causing the problems. It is the AudioThemes3D
that causes my NVDA to stop telling me when I'm on a link or button,
not windows.

Chantelle


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What is UI automation in Windows console for?

Vincent Le Goff <vincent.legoff.srs@...>
 

Hi everyone,


I recently saw some users advising to turn on the "UI automation in Windows console settings" for those experiencing issues with the Windows console.  I'm relying a lot on this console (that is, cmd.exe, not PowerShell) for development, testing and such.  I couldn't find what this setting was.  I did try to turn it on and, (ho horrors), my Braille display saw nothing but weird characters in the console!  So I quickly turned it off.  Don't know what the synthesizer reports, but my Braille display doesn't report anything consistent, or even readable.


Can someone elaborate on what this setting is supposed to do? There's a good reason it's in "advanced settings", I guess, but if it's bound to be merged and active by default in later versions of NVDA, I will stress that it's not working (at least, in Braille, as far as I could tell).  I couldn't find a document that explained this feature in more details, I might have missed it.


Just curious here.


Cheers,


Vincent


Re: NVDA treating an interactive shell running under command line a little bit odd - php interactive interpreter

Jacob Kruger
 

Ok, for interest's sake, switching on UIA for command line, does interfere with things like object navigation and screen review in the normal cmd.exe interface, so have now set up two separate configuration profiles, so that can easily/quickly switch to the one with UIA switched on when I want to, but, can otherwise normally, keep it switched off.


Stay well


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
"Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2019-09-06 11:53 AM, Luke Davis wrote:
Have you tried running this with UIA turned on for the shell, in NVDA Advanced settings?

Luke


Broken Table Function: NFL Standings On ESPN Website Are Unreadable

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Group,

If you visit the following URL: https://www.espn.com/nfl/standings, you will see that trying to navigate the standings for the National Football League using standard navigation keystrokes (control + alt + left/right arrows and control + alt + up/down arrows) does not work.  You stay in the first column and can't move to any other columns.

Does anyone else experience this and if so, is this a known bug?

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They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: helping a friend with some strange behavior in Mozilla Thunderbird

Tony Ballou
 

howdy,


Thanks, I'll have a look at that. 


Tony

On 9/8/2019 1:27 PM, Governor staten wrote:

Go to the "advanced" tab under display. Tab a couple times, and you will see the option as to how to open messages. The second radio button is the one that should be checked. It will open messages in their own window. Hope that helps.





On 9/8/2019 12:20 PM, Tony Ballou wrote:
Howdy folks,


One of my friends is having a devil of a time with closing messages in 
Mozilla Thunderbird.  When she attempts to exit the message by hitting 
escape to close it, nothing happens. The message remains open.  A 
similar thing happens when she tries to use the ctrl-W keyboard 
shortcut.  It either works properly, or totally exits the program.  Any 
ideas as to what's happening here?  She's using the latest versions of 
windows, and NVDA.


Tony






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Fix for explorer crashing in Windows 7

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi everyone,

An issue which has plagued many of our Windows 7 users lately, particularly those who use the mouse, has been explorer crashing in the start menu and other windows.

The latest "Alpha" snapshot *should* address this problem.  I'd like to encourage anyone who has experienced this issue to please test the latest alpha and let us know if that has in fact fixed the problem.

You can download the latest alpha from: https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/snapshots/ - go to the first "download" link.  If you haven't used an alpha build before, when you run the downloaded file, it looks like any other version of NVDA.  It gives you the license agreement with options to install, create a portable version or continue running.  To test this particular fix, you should be able to simply "Continue running" (Which runs a complete version of NVDA, but any changes to settings you make won't be saved).  If you find it particularly useful, you can install it, but note that it will offer to update each day or each time a new alpha build is released if you leave check for updates enabled.  You will also likely note that it "beeps" more often than a regular stable version of NVDA.  This is because it beeps each time an error is encountered.  Often, however, errors are dealt with in the background with no adverse effects, so in a stable version of NVDA, a user would never notice it.  In the alpha builds, it beeps so that developers testing the build can know that an error has occurred.

All things going well, this fix is due to be included in NVDA 2019.3 when it comes out.  Sorry, I don't have an anticipated date at this stage, but we will release one or more beta versions, then one or more "RC" or release candidate builds and then the final version.

Once again, if you've had the issue with Explorer crashing in Windows 7, please do try the latest alpha snapshot and let us know how it is working for you.

Kind regards

Quentin.

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Tips for reporting issues: Please don't say "Using the latest version of Windows 10 and NVDA" when reporting issues

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi everyone,

I've seen a few people report issues lately, and say something along the lines of "I'm using the latest versions of Windows 10 and NVDA".

I'm not having a go at anyone over that, but I wanted to share the point of view of trying to recreate your issue in order to help solve it.  Even though it seems obvious to you what you are using, it may not narrow it down as much as may be needed to troubleshoot the issue you are having.

With Windows 10 - the latest version could mean:
- The latest fast insider build
- The latest slow insider build
- The latest Skip Ahead insider build
- The latest regular consumer build
- The consumer build from six months before that as Microsoft can do very staggered rollouts over three months or more.
- An earlier consumer build because Microsoft have determined that your system can't run the most recent update.

For NVDA, there aren't quite as many options if you are running the "Latest" version, but that still could be:
- The latest alpha build
- Another alpha build from the last 24 hours (we might release more than one alpha build in a day, but if you are relying on the automatic check for updates, it will only check once a day).
- The latest Beta or RC build (if we are in a beta or RC cycle at the time)
- The latest stable build

So, that's something like 24 potential combinations of "the latest versions" of Windows 10 and NVDA!  (I must admit, even I didn't think it was that many when I started writing this).

When reporting an issue (in the group, via email, on GitHub, or anywhere else), could you please try to:
- Give the Windows build number.  To find that press WINDOWS+R, type WINVER and press ENTER.
- Give the NVDA version number.  Press NVDA+N, then H, then A.
- Give the version of any other program you are using (EG if you are having a problem in PowerPoint, please advise its version or build number).
- Give specific steps to recreate the issue you are having.

All of that will help anyone trying to assist you to recreate the issue and give advice as quickly as possible without needing to come back and ask lots of additional questions.

Kind regards

Quentin.



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