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Re: Screen recorder.

Sarah k Alawami
 

You don't evene need to do that. Use obj nav to get to he sources window, go into it then obj nav to the tool bar, go into tht, then click add. From ther it's 100 percent accessible.

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website. This is also our libsyn page as well.
For stuff we sell, mac training materials and  tutorials go here.
and for hosting options go here
to subscribe to the feed click here

Our telegram channel is also a good place for an announce only in regard to podcasts, contests, etc.

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on youtube, twitch and mixer. Thanks Restream staff.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 10 Sep 2019, at 12:34, George McCoy wrote:

When you are setting up new scenes in OBS, use NvDA's object navigation keys to locate the sources window, then press nvda plus enter to open it.


George

On 9/10/2019 8:49 AM, Chantelle Buys wrote:

Hi.

I've downloaded the program but, nvda aren't reading everything and
the sources tab are not accessible unless I use the mouse. Is there an
addon for the program?

I found a program called Debut Video Capture Software which can be
used with the menus but, I can't get it to record nvda as I use it. It
does pick up my laptop microphone but, I haven't tested it to see if
it works or not.

Chantelle

On 9/10/19, Ralf Kefferpuetz <ralf.kefferpuetz@...> wrote:

Chantelle,

I did a time ago with OBS studio, it is free and pretty accessible.
https://obsproject.com/welcome

Cheers,
Ralf

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chantelle Buys
Sent: Dienstag, 10. September 2019 13:26
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Screen recorder.

Hi.

No, don't have a problem with that. I want to make videos for my youtube
channel showing people how to do things on the computer.

Chantelle

On 9/10/19, Robert Doc Wright godfearer <godfearer@...> wrote:

Are you not able to get your print screen to work?

******
Jesus says, follow me and I'll help you through the rough spots.
the world says, hey come with me. My way is broad and easy. So what if
you get crap on your shoes. You can always wash it off, can't you!






Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Chantelle Buys
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2019 4:56 AM
To: nvda
Subject: [nvda] Screen recorder.

Hi.

Does anyone know of a screen recorder that works with NVDA?

Chantelle

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Never give up, at any cost.
Re: Screen recorder.

George McCoy <slr1bpz@...>
 

When you are setting up new scenes in OBS, use NvDA's object navigation keys to locate the sources window, then press nvda plus enter to open it.


George

On 9/10/2019 8:49 AM, Chantelle Buys wrote:
Hi.

I've downloaded the program but, nvda aren't reading everything and
the sources tab are not accessible unless I use the mouse. Is there an
addon for the program?

I found a program called Debut Video Capture Software which can be
used with the menus but, I can't get it to record nvda as I use it. It
does pick up my laptop microphone but, I haven't tested it to see if
it works or not.

Chantelle

On 9/10/19, Ralf Kefferpuetz <ralf.kefferpuetz@elra-consulting.de> wrote:
Chantelle,

I did a time ago with OBS studio, it is free and pretty accessible.
https://obsproject.com/welcome

Cheers,
Ralf

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chantelle Buys
Sent: Dienstag, 10. September 2019 13:26
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Screen recorder.

Hi.

No, don't have a problem with that. I want to make videos for my youtube
channel showing people how to do things on the computer.

Chantelle

On 9/10/19, Robert Doc Wright godfearer <godfearer@comcast.net> wrote:
Are you not able to get your print screen to work?

******
Jesus says, follow me and I'll help you through the rough spots.
the world says, hey come with me. My way is broad and easy. So what if
you get crap on your shoes. You can always wash it off, can't you!






Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Chantelle Buys
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2019 4:56 AM
To: nvda
Subject: [nvda] Screen recorder.

Hi.

Does anyone know of a screen recorder that works with NVDA?

Chantelle

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Never give up, at any cost.







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Never give up, at any cost.
Re: excel problem

Brian Vogel
 

From what I've seen so far I suspect one of two things is at play:

1.  The actual header row and/or column is not defined where you think it is.

2.  You're using the NVDA feature to try to set this up in NVDA itself rather than the Excel feature to set it up in the worksheet.  If you did the latter, you'd still have to turn on the screen reader feature to interact with that Excel feature, if memory serves, but it would carry along with the Excel document itself.

I wrote up the following quite a while back:
--------------------------------------------------------------------

Assigning a Title Row (Column Titles) and/or Title Column (Row Titles) in Excel

You can assign column and row titles in Excel. These are nice because they always work with Excel and are saved to the workbook. There's no risk of losing a setting in your screen reader.

To add column and row title names:

    1. You will need to have selected one of the three following things, depending on what you are trying to assign:
      1. If you have a cell where the Column and Row titles intersect, gain focus on it.  You will continue through the process, assigning a name that begins with Title, which is how Excel knows this is the intersection point.
      2. The first column to the right of the intersection point that marks the start of the series of cells that make up the individual column titles across a given row.  You will continue through the process, assigning a name that begins with RowTitle, as this tells Excel these cells are a row of titles for the columns that lie below them.
      3. The first row beneath the intersection point that marks the start of the series of cells that make up the individual row titles down a given column.  You will continue through the process, assigning a name that begins with ColumnTitle, as this tells Excel these cells are a column of titles for the rows to the right of them.
    2. Open the Name dialog:

                                                               i.      Open the Formula ribbon (ALT-M)

                                                             ii.      Activate the “Define Name” command (M)

                                                           iii.      Within the drop-down list, activate “Define Name”

                                                           iv.      The “New Name” dialog opens

 

Focus is placed in the name field. Within the name field, you can name the focused cell or selected range of cells. In this case, we’re naming the column or row title:

    1. Prefix the cell name using the following rules

                           i.  Start the range name with the label that tells Excel you’re creating a title range

        1. Title – This tells Excel the column and row that intersect at the active cell are a title row and column
        2. ColumnTitle – This tells Excel the focused column contains the titles for the rows within the range
        3. RowTitle – this tells Excel the focused row contains titles for the columns in the range

                            ii.      Add a name for the range.  I stick on an underscore then either the name of the workbook if I intend to make the name assignment applicable across the workbook and not usable anywhere else (see step iii, scope) or just leave it without anything else if I want to use it on other worksheets in the workbook.

        1. Title_WidgetSales  or just Title
        2. ColumnTitle_WidgetSales or just ColumnTitle
        3. RowTitle_WidgetSales or just RowTitle

                              iii.      Optional - Add the last cell in the range preceded by two periods

        1. Use this when you have multiple regions in a worksheet
        2. Title_WidgetSales or just Title (there is no range for the intersection)
        3. ColumnTitle_WidgetSales..h32 or ColumnTitle..h32
        4. RowTitle_WidgetSales..r12 or RowTitle..r12
        5. Remember the cell address referenced is the last cell in the range for which you are creating titles

The next field in the dialog sets the scope for the name. this is a combo box. Use UP and DOWN ARROW to choose from between:

  • Workbook - the title Is unique and can’t be used elsewhere in a workbook
  • A Specific Worksheet - the name can be used elsewhere in a workbook

You can add a comment for the named cell or region, this is strictly for your personal reference and doesn’t affect the echo of the column or row title name

The last field references the cell name or range of selected cells you’re naming. You can leave this field alone.

Activate the OK button to save the name and close the dialog.

Save the workbook and the titles are permanently saved and will work on any computer.

If you have titles set to echo in JAWS, the titles will echo and you won’t lose the settings.

 

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Re: excel problem

Gary Metzler
 

Hi Robert,

 

Yes, when I enter a date and arrow to the right I hear 139 When I was on the date field in cell a1 I hit the nvda shift c key I hope this helps.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert Doc Wright godfearer
Sent: Monday, September 9, 2019 3:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] excel problem

 

One more question. When you arrow up or down or right or left to an empty cell does it still say a number?

 

It sounds like your headers are working. Check to make sure that when you turned headers on that you were on the row that had your column titles and not your first entry.

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From: Gary Metzler
Sent: Monday, September 9, 2019 1:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] excel problem

 

Hi Robert,

 

It’s from a prior cell.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert Doc Wright godfearer
Sent: Monday, September 9, 2019 1:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] excel problem

 

When you say it speaks a prior number is this the number from the previous cell or the top of the column or row?

 

 ******

Jesus says, follow me and I'll help you through the rough spots.

the world says, hey come with me. My way is broad and easy. So what if you get crap on your shoes. You can always wash it off, can't you!                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gary Metzler
Sent: Monday, September 9, 2019 10:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] excel problem

 

Hi All,

 

I am using the latest windows 10 and nvda.  I am using excel 2016. 

I created a spreadsheet to track my blood pressure but when I go to enter a number nvda speaks a prior number.  Is there a setting I need to change?  Also I have nvda set to announce headers but, it doesn’t do it.  Thanks for any help.

 

 
Re: Screen recorder.

Sarah k Alawami
 

I use obs. It does pretty much everything. And I mean everything.

Take care

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website. This is also our libsyn page as well.
For stuff we sell, mac training materials and  tutorials go here.
and for hosting options go here
to subscribe to the feed click here

Our telegram channel is also a good place for an announce only in regard to podcasts, contests, etc.

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on youtube, twitch and mixer. Thanks Restream staff.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 10 Sep 2019, at 3:55, Chantelle Buys wrote:

Hi.

Does anyone know of a screen recorder that works with NVDA?

Chantelle

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Re: Broken Table Function: NFL Standings On ESPN Website Are Unreadable

Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>
 

Very strange web design.
On my iPhone, I can run my finger down the left side and find a team I'm interested in, then, if I can slide my finger in a straight line to the right, I can get the numbers; of course, I don't hear the column title as I move.

With Jaws, there is only one table mentioned and that is the one with numbers, seemingly unrelated to any team.
Try this one, it seems better:
https://www.nfl.com/standings

Another one is:
https://www.scoreboard.com/nfl/standings/


HTH,
Richard

🖖 Live long and prosper


Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ron Canazzi
Sent: Monday, September 9, 2019 11:53 PM
To: NVDA Official Group <nvda@groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] Broken Table Function: NFL Standings On ESPN Website Are Unreadable

Hi Group,

If you visit the following URL: https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.espn.com%2Fnfl%2Fstandings&;amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C9444d97bb52d40498ee308d735bb9a20%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637036952163265681&amp;sdata=7AcDrCfoPNV3zP6oJAb9wuZkCwrY0%2BovqYl%2FCj4tQ8E%3D&amp;reserved=0, you will see that trying to navigate the standings for the National Football League using standard navigation keystrokes (control + alt + left/right arrows and control + alt + up/down arrows) does not work.  You stay in the first column and can't move to any other columns.

Does anyone else experience this and if so, is this a known bug?

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They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
Re: Screen recorder.

Chantelle Buys
 

Hi.

I've downloaded the program but, nvda aren't reading everything and
the sources tab are not accessible unless I use the mouse. Is there an
addon for the program?

I found a program called Debut Video Capture Software which can be
used with the menus but, I can't get it to record nvda as I use it. It
does pick up my laptop microphone but, I haven't tested it to see if
it works or not.

Chantelle

On 9/10/19, Ralf Kefferpuetz <ralf.kefferpuetz@elra-consulting.de> wrote:
Chantelle,

I did a time ago with OBS studio, it is free and pretty accessible.
https://obsproject.com/welcome

Cheers,
Ralf

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chantelle Buys
Sent: Dienstag, 10. September 2019 13:26
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Screen recorder.

Hi.

No, don't have a problem with that. I want to make videos for my youtube
channel showing people how to do things on the computer.

Chantelle

On 9/10/19, Robert Doc Wright godfearer <godfearer@comcast.net> wrote:
Are you not able to get your print screen to work?

******
Jesus says, follow me and I'll help you through the rough spots.
the world says, hey come with me. My way is broad and easy. So what if
you get crap on your shoes. You can always wash it off, can't you!






Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Chantelle Buys
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2019 4:56 AM
To: nvda
Subject: [nvda] Screen recorder.

Hi.

Does anyone know of a screen recorder that works with NVDA?

Chantelle

--
Never give up, at any cost.








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Re: Screen recorder.

Ralf Kefferpuetz
 

Chantelle,

I did a time ago with OBS studio, it is free and pretty accessible.
https://obsproject.com/welcome

Cheers,
Ralf

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chantelle Buys
Sent: Dienstag, 10. September 2019 13:26
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Screen recorder.

Hi.

No, don't have a problem with that. I want to make videos for my youtube channel showing people how to do things on the computer.

Chantelle

On 9/10/19, Robert Doc Wright godfearer <godfearer@comcast.net> wrote:
Are you not able to get your print screen to work?

******
Jesus says, follow me and I'll help you through the rough spots.
the world says, hey come with me. My way is broad and easy. So what if
you get crap on your shoes. You can always wash it off, can't you!






Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Chantelle Buys
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2019 4:56 AM
To: nvda
Subject: [nvda] Screen recorder.

Hi.

Does anyone know of a screen recorder that works with NVDA?

Chantelle

--
Never give up, at any cost.








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Re: Screen recorder.

Chantelle Buys
 

Hi.

No, don't have a problem with that. I want to make videos for my
youtube channel showing people how to do things on the computer.

Chantelle

On 9/10/19, Robert Doc Wright godfearer <godfearer@comcast.net> wrote:
Are you not able to get your print screen to work?

 ******
Jesus says, follow me and I'll help you through the rough spots.
the world says, hey come with me. My way is broad and easy. So what if you
get crap on your shoes. You can always wash it off, can't
you!






                Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Chantelle Buys
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2019 4:56 AM
To: nvda
Subject: [nvda] Screen recorder.

Hi.

Does anyone know of a screen recorder that works with NVDA?

Chantelle

--
Never give up, at any cost.







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Never give up, at any cost.
Re: excel problem

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 

To be honest I usually use Jaws for Excel.

 

 ******

Jesus says, follow me and I'll help you through the rough spots.

the world says, hey come with me. My way is broad and easy. So what if you get crap on your shoes. You can always wash it off, can't you!                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Monday, September 9, 2019 4:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] excel problem

 

Did the headers thign work? I might be learningn xcel for math or what not and want to know in case I run into the issue.

Take care

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website. This is also our libsyn page as well.
For stuff we sell, mac training materials and  tutorials go here.
and for hosting options go here
to subscribe to the feed click here

Our telegram channel is also a good place for an announce only in regard to podcasts, contests, etc.

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on youtube, twitch and mixer. Thanks Restream staff.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 9 Sep 2019, at 13:43, Robert Doc Wright godfearer wrote:

There are a number of talking blood pressure meters. Check at Walgreens.

 

 ******

Jesus says, follow me and I'll help you through the rough spots.

the world says, hey come with me. My way is broad and easy. So what if you get crap on your shoes. You can always wash it off, can't you!                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: stancil tootle
Sent: Monday, September 9, 2019 2:05 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] excel problem

 

How do you check your pressure without seeing please?


On Sep 9, 2019, at 12:20 PM, Gary Metzler <gmtravel@...> wrote:

Hi All,

 

I am using the latest windows 10 and nvda.  I am using excel 2016. 

I created a spreadsheet to track my blood pressure but when I go to enter a number nvda speaks a prior number.  Is there a setting I need to change?  Also I have nvda set to announce headers but, it doesn’t do it.  Thanks for any help.

 

 

 
Re: Screen recorder.

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 

Are you not able to get your print screen to work?

 

 ******

Jesus says, follow me and I'll help you through the rough spots.

the world says, hey come with me. My way is broad and easy. So what if you get crap on your shoes. You can always wash it off, can't you!                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Chantelle Buys
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2019 4:56 AM
To: nvda
Subject: [nvda] Screen recorder.

 

Hi.

 

Does anyone know of a screen recorder that works with NVDA?

 

Chantelle

 

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Never give up, at any cost.

 

 

 
Screen recorder.

Chantelle Buys
 

Hi.

Does anyone know of a screen recorder that works with NVDA?

Chantelle

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Re: What is UI automation in Windows console for?

Vincent Le Goff <vincent.legoff.srs@...>
 

I will.  Don't worry, you'll hear me cry in agony if Braille accessibility is broken.  But if I can avoid that, I will for sure!


Vincent

On 9/10/2019 12:44 PM, Lukasz Golonka wrote:
Hello,

On Tue, 10 Sep 2019 11:13:58 +0200
"Vincent Le Goff" <vincent.legoff.srs@gmail.com> wrote:

To us, it might sound like magic indeed!  But as long as the feature is considered still a work in progress, I won't complain. Just don't merge it right now (don't know if it's worth opening an issue to report how Braille support works, or doesn't work, in this setup).
It definitely is. This option would be, and (in the Alpha versions is
already) on by default on recent versions of Windows 10. So if you can
please try with the latest Alpha versions, and if the problem persist
create an issue.
Re: What is UI automation in Windows console for?

Lukasz Golonka <wulfryk1@...>
 

Hello,

On Tue, 10 Sep 2019 11:13:58 +0200
"Vincent Le Goff" <vincent.legoff.srs@gmail.com> wrote:

To us, it might sound like magic indeed!  But as long as the feature is considered still a work in progress, I won't complain. Just don't merge it right now (don't know if it's worth opening an issue to report how Braille support works, or doesn't work, in this setup).

It definitely is. This option would be, and (in the Alpha versions is
already) on by default on recent versions of Windows 10. So if you can
please try with the latest Alpha versions, and if the problem persist
create an issue.


--
Regards
Lukasz
Re: Broken Table Function: NFL Standings On ESPN Website Are Unreadable

Gene
 

Maybe there is a better site, and I don't know if this suggestion will make the site useable enough to bother but you could have the page opened in two browsers.  One could be on the names, the other could be in the numberz table.  You could move down the names in one browser, alt tab to the other, and find the numbers that correspond. 
For example, move five names from the top and in the numbers table. move five sets of numbers down.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2019 5:24 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Broken Table Function: NFL Standings On ESPN Website Are Unreadable

As is often the case when working with tables, it’s a site problem.  If you try to move while on a name, you will hear NVDA announce edge of table.
If you are in the numbers, you can move.  The numbers are a separate table.  For some unfathomable reason, the names are in their own table.  Visually, it may look identical but it isn't.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2019 1:53 AM
Subject: [nvda] Broken Table Function: NFL Standings On ESPN Website Are Unreadable

Hi Group,

If you visit the following URL: https://www.espn.com/nfl/standings, you
will see that trying to navigate the standings for the National Football
League using standard navigation keystrokes (control + alt + left/right
arrows and control + alt + up/down arrows) does not work.  You stay in
the first column and can't move to any other columns.

Does anyone else experience this and if so, is this a known bug?

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They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
Re: Broken Table Function: NFL Standings On ESPN Website Are Unreadable

Gene
 

As is often the case when working with tables, it’s a site problem.  If you try to move while on a name, you will hear NVDA announce edge of table.
If you are in the numbers, you can move.  The numbers are a separate table.  For some unfathomable reason, the names are in their own table.  Visually, it may look identical but it isn't.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2019 1:53 AM
Subject: [nvda] Broken Table Function: NFL Standings On ESPN Website Are Unreadable

Hi Group,

If you visit the following URL: https://www.espn.com/nfl/standings, you
will see that trying to navigate the standings for the National Football
League using standard navigation keystrokes (control + alt + left/right
arrows and control + alt + up/down arrows) does not work.  You stay in
the first column and can't move to any other columns.

Does anyone else experience this and if so, is this a known bug?

--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
Re: What is UI automation in Windows console for?

Jacob Kruger
 

If you open the NVDA 19.2 user guide, and, find the heading level 5, "Use UI Automation to access the Windows Console when available", then under it, you will find the text I copied, including a link to the following page on windows accessibility:

https://devblogs.microsoft.com/commandline/whats-new-in-windows-console-in-windows-10-fall-creators-update/


And, the title of that page is the following: What’s new in Windows Console in Windows 10 Fall Creators Update".


In other words, it sounds to me like NVDA is trying to keep up to date with what windows 10 development team is doing themselves?


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
"Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2019-09-10 11:11 AM, Rob Hudson wrote:
But it doesn't tell us how it will do that. Sounds like a lot of doublespeak to me.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jacob Kruger" <jacob@blindza.co.za>
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2019 11:10:11 +0200
Subject: Re: [nvda] What is UI automation in Windows console for?

Vincent, from the what's new documentation/feature listing:

Use UI Automation to access the Windows Console when available
When this option is enabled, NVDA will use a new, work in progress
version of its support for Windows Console which takes advantage of
accessibility improvements made by Microsoft. This feature is highly
experimental and is still incomplete, so its use is not yet recommended.
However, once completed, it is anticipated that this new support will
become the default, improving NVDA's performance and stability in
Windows command consoles.


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
"Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."
On 2019-09-10 10:41 AM, Vincent Le Goff wrote:
Hi everyone,


I recently saw some users advising to turn on the "UI automation in
Windows console settings" for those experiencing issues with the
Windows console.  I'm relying a lot on this console (that is, cmd.exe,
not PowerShell) for development, testing and such.  I couldn't find
what this setting was.  I did try to turn it on and, (ho horrors), my
Braille display saw nothing but weird characters in the console!  So I
quickly turned it off.  Don't know what the synthesizer reports, but
my Braille display doesn't report anything consistent, or even readable.


Can someone elaborate on what this setting is supposed to do? There's
a good reason it's in "advanced settings", I guess, but if it's bound
to be merged and active by default in later versions of NVDA, I will
stress that it's not working (at least, in Braille, as far as I could
tell).  I couldn't find a document that explained this feature in more
details, I might have missed it.


Just curious here.


Cheers,


Vincent
Re: links and buttons problem found.

Luke Davis
 

The Audio Themes add-on has been a bit unstable for a while, and in some circumstances could really slow down NVDA in all 2019 versions.

In 2019.2, I believe it became unstable enough that it has been removed from stable add-ons on the website.

I think I heard that it is being worked on, however. So there is some hope for those who liked it, that it will be back eventually.

But for now, if you use it, expect oddness.

Luke

On Tue, 10 Sep 2019, Chantelle Buys wrote:

I had no problems with the addon until I reinstalled it after
reinstalling windows.

Oh well, it was fun using it while it lasted.
Re: What is UI automation in Windows console for?

Luke Davis
 

On Tue, 10 Sep 2019, Vincent Le Goff wrote:

right now (don't know if it's worth opening an issue to report how Braille support works, or doesn't work, in this setup).
Probably so. I don't remember hearing of that particular issue before. Worth a search first, but it may help to refine the feature.

Luke
Re: What is UI automation in Windows console for?

Vincent Le Goff <vincent.legoff.srs@...>
 

To us, it might sound like magic indeed!  But as long as the feature is considered still a work in progress, I won't complain. Just don't merge it right now (don't know if it's worth opening an issue to report how Braille support works, or doesn't work, in this setup).


Vincent

On 9/10/2019 11:11 AM, Rob Hudson wrote:
But it doesn't tell us how it will do that. Sounds like a lot of doublespeak to me.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jacob Kruger" <jacob@blindza.co.za>
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2019 11:10:11 +0200
Subject: Re: [nvda] What is UI automation in Windows console for?

Vincent, from the what's new documentation/feature listing:

Use UI Automation to access the Windows Console when available
When this option is enabled, NVDA will use a new, work in progress
version of its support for Windows Console which takes advantage of
accessibility improvements made by Microsoft. This feature is highly
experimental and is still incomplete, so its use is not yet recommended.
However, once completed, it is anticipated that this new support will
become the default, improving NVDA's performance and stability in
Windows command consoles.


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
"Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."
On 2019-09-10 10:41 AM, Vincent Le Goff wrote:
Hi everyone,


I recently saw some users advising to turn on the "UI automation in
Windows console settings" for those experiencing issues with the
Windows console.  I'm relying a lot on this console (that is, cmd.exe,
not PowerShell) for development, testing and such.  I couldn't find
what this setting was.  I did try to turn it on and, (ho horrors), my
Braille display saw nothing but weird characters in the console!  So I
quickly turned it off.  Don't know what the synthesizer reports, but
my Braille display doesn't report anything consistent, or even readable.


Can someone elaborate on what this setting is supposed to do? There's
a good reason it's in "advanced settings", I guess, but if it's bound
to be merged and active by default in later versions of NVDA, I will
stress that it's not working (at least, in Braille, as far as I could
tell).  I couldn't find a document that explained this feature in more
details, I might have missed it.


Just curious here.


Cheers,


Vincent
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