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Clock-19.09
#addonrelease
Abdel
Hi everyone,
It's been 2 weeks since the 19.09 development version of the Clock add-on has been released. As no bug was reported during this period, I announce the release of the stable version 19.09. This version of the add-on is downloadable here, it is also available by clicking on the stable version" link on the community website, as well as with addonUpdater: https://addons.nvda-project.org/files/get.php?file=cac As announced earlier, this release fixes a bug that occurred when the start time was greater than the end time in quiet hours. Thanks. Kind regards, Abdel.
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Re: NVDA pronouncing "no" as "number" with some widgets but only with Microsoft synthesizers
Luke Davis
On Wed, 11 Sep 2019, Brian Vogel wrote:
Quentin, I tried playing with, both of which were defined as regular expression without case sensitivity: [Nn][Oo]\.* (\d+) number \2The most obvious problem, is that \2 should be \1. You only have one capturing subexpression, so \2 should be undefined. That said: Using source string: This is no. 5 and No. 6. No it isn't! pattern: ([Nn][Oo]\\.*)(?= *\\d+) and replacement: number Results in: This is number 5 and number 6. No it isn't! In Python, the (?=...) construct means "Match, but don't consume". Note: tested at the python console with re.sub, not in NVDA directly. [Nn][Oo](\s|$) NoThe above should cause any case combination of "no", optionally followed by a period, followed by a space, followed by one or more digits"Chanel number 5" with my expression above. I would probably do your second pattern as: [Nn][Oo](?!\.* *\d+) Using that pattern, a replacement of "know", with this source string: This is no no. 1, oh no! Results in: This is know no. 1, oh know! And: No. Way. This. is. No. 1! Gets: know. Way. This. is. No. 1! Hth. Luke
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Re: NVDA pronouncing "no" as "number" with some widgets but only with Microsoft synthesizers
Quentin Christensen
I must admit, I need to brush up on my regex. Has anyone got any thoughts for Brian in the meantime?
On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 2:27 PM Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote: Quentin, I tried playing with, both of which were defined as regular expression without case sensitivity: --
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Re: NVDA pronouncing "no" as "number" with some widgets but only with Microsoft synthesizers
Quentin, I tried playing with, both of which were defined as regular expression without case sensitivity:
[Nn][Oo]\.* (\d+) number \2
[Nn][Oo](\s|$) No
-- The above should cause any case combination of "no", optionally followed by a period, followed by a space, followed by one or more digits to be announced as, "Number" followed by the number that is in the collection of digits. That's the first line. The second should cause any case combination of "no" followed by white space or where "no" is the only thing on the line to be announced as No. The problem is that the first line is not working, at all. If I have the line: Chanel No. 5 I still get NVDA saying Chanel no 5. I have tested that regular expression using every engine and all of them match anything with the standard N O period number abbreviation and snag the actual number that follows it. I can't figure out why I'm not getting, "Chanel Number 5." Any ideas? This is not a complex regular expression, and I know it has to match, but the substitution "Number \2" is not giving me either the word "number" or the digits, either. Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362 The color of truth is grey. ~ André Gide
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Re: NVDA pronouncing "no" as "number" with some widgets but only with Microsoft synthesizers
Quentin Christensen
It's the Microsoft Synthesizer trying to be helpful and assume that "no" = "number". The two actions I can suggest are: 1) Report it to Microsoft's Disability Answer Desk, and request their synths not make those assumptions. 2) You can use NVDA's speech dictionary to add an entry for "no" to try to prevent it. It would be worth testing whether it is case sensitive (eg is "No" treated the same as "no", or "NO"), in which case you could make a entry to change "No" (whole words only) to "no". Just remember if you are proof reading something and looking for missed capitals :) Kind regards Quentin.
On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 5:13 AM slugolicious via Groups.Io <slugolicious=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote: If a <select> element has "yes" and "no" options, "no" is pronounced as "number" when using any of the Microsoft synthesizers (Microsoft Speech API version 5, Microsoft Speech Platform, Windows OneCore voices). It works ok with eSpeak. --
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Re: links on web page
Arlene
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From: Don H
Sent: September 11, 2019 2:30 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] links on web page
No I can not read the drop down list after a sighted helper clicks on the link. All the suggestions so far have not helped in the least. I have tried using Google Chrome, Brave, Firefox as the browser. I have tried usind NDDA, Jaws and narrator. I have tried working with the company before and they are unwilling to change their site to offer better access.
On 9/11/2019 3:28 PM, Luke Davis wrote: > Hi Don > > When the sighted user activates the link for you, are you then able to > navigate the dropdown list of options? > > Also, can you simulate this behavior by going to one of the links, > pressing nvda+numpadDivide, then pressing numpadDivide on its own? In > other words: routing the mouse to the current nav object, then left > clicking it? > > Btw: did I run into you on some StockGumshoe forum like five years ago, > and exchange emails about programatic investing? > > Luke > > > On Wed, 11 Sep 2019, Don H wrote: > >> Running win 10 1903 and latest version2019.2 and google chrome. >> I have a web page for my investments that has things that NVDA says >> are links that I can't open. I have tried hitting enter on them, used >> insert f7 to get the elements list to activate the link and nothing >> happens. I have tried hitting insert space bar before hitting enter >> and nothing happens. >> If i get sighted help they can use a physical mouse to left click the >> link which then opens a list of options similar to what a combo box >> might do. Any other ideas as how to deal with such a link? >> Thanks > > > > >
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Re: links on web page
Don H
No I can not read the drop down list after a sighted helper clicks on the link.
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All the suggestions so far have not helped in the least. I have tried using Google Chrome, Brave, Firefox as the browser. I have tried usind NDDA, Jaws and narrator. I have tried working with the company before and they are unwilling to change their site to offer better access.
On 9/11/2019 3:28 PM, Luke Davis wrote:
Hi Don
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Keystrokes in Transcribe
Cearbhall O'Meadhra
Hi,
Have we any users of Transcribe! – the music transcription program?
I need to use this program with keystrokes rather than the mouse but I cannot find a comprehensive list of keystrokes to use. I wonder if anyone knows where I can find such a list, please?
All the best,
Cearbhall
m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
I think what you've done is set one of your previous rows as the column headers - that would explain both why it is reading another number as you move, AND why it's not reading the cell headers you expect. Either go back to the first cell with cell headers, and press NVDA+control+c twice quickly to remove the header, OR press CONTROL+F3 to open the names manager, and remove any from the current worksheet with names like "ColumnTitle_d7cd3b3b417b4fcdbebe4c26720205cc"
Regards
Quentin.
On Tue, Sep 10, 2019 at 5:10 AM Gary Metzler <gmtravel@...> wrote:
-- Quentin Christensen
Web: www.nvaccess.org Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/ Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/ User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
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Keystrokes in Transcribe
Cearbhall O'Meadhra
Hi,
Have we any users of Transcribe! – the music transcription program?
I need to use this program with keystrokes rather than the mouse but I cannot find a comprehensive list of keystrokes to use. I wonder if anyone knows where I can find such a list, please?
All the best,
Cearbhall
m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
I think what you've done is set one of your previous rows as the column headers - that would explain both why it is reading another number as you move, AND why it's not reading the cell headers you expect. Either go back to the first cell with cell headers, and press NVDA+control+c twice quickly to remove the header, OR press CONTROL+F3 to open the names manager, and remove any from the current worksheet with names like "ColumnTitle_d7cd3b3b417b4fcdbebe4c26720205cc"
Regards
Quentin.
On Tue, Sep 10, 2019 at 5:10 AM Gary Metzler <gmtravel@...> wrote:
-- Quentin Christensen
Web: www.nvaccess.org Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/ Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/ User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
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Re: links on web page
Luke Davis
Hi Don
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When the sighted user activates the link for you, are you then able to navigate the dropdown list of options? Also, can you simulate this behavior by going to one of the links, pressing nvda+numpadDivide, then pressing numpadDivide on its own? In other words: routing the mouse to the current nav object, then left clicking it? Btw: did I run into you on some StockGumshoe forum like five years ago, and exchange emails about programatic investing? Luke
On Wed, 11 Sep 2019, Don H wrote:
Running win 10 1903 and latest version2019.2 and google chrome.
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NVDA pronouncing "no" as "number" with some widgets but only with Microsoft synthesizers
slugolicious@...
If a <select> element has "yes" and "no" options, "no" is pronounced as "number" when using any of the Microsoft synthesizers (Microsoft Speech API version 5, Microsoft Speech Platform, Windows OneCore voices). It works ok with eSpeak.
If you have "yes" and "no" as radio buttons or checkboxes, it's correctly pronounced as "no". Sample code: ``` <select> <option>yes</option> <option>no</option> </select> <select size=5> <option>yes</option> <option>no</option> </select> <label> <input name="a1" type="radio"> yes </label> <label> <input name="a1" type="radio"> no </label> <label> <input type="checkbox"> yes </label> <label> <input type="checkbox"> no </label> ``` Tab to the <select>, expand the drop down list, arrow down to "no" and you'll hear "number". If you select "no" and tab off the <select> then tab back to the <select>, you'll correctly hear "no". If the <select> is displayed as a listbox (second example), and "no" is selected and you tab off the listbox and then tab back to it, "number" is announced. "yes" and "no" work ok for radio buttons and checkboxes.
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Re: links on web page
The laptop commands are nvda plus shift plus m then nvda plus left bracket. Good luck. Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website. This is also our libsyn page as well. Our telegram channel is also a good place for an announce only in regard to podcasts, contests, etc. Our discord is where you will know when we go live on youtube, twitch and mixer. Thanks Restream staff. Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here
On 11 Sep 2019, at 9:47, Gene wrote:
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Re: Bluetooth problem
Tony Malykh
My add-on won't help here unfortunately - since it only works with audio devices. I have experienced similar connectivity problems a while ago with my bluetooth headphones and it was resolved after installing new bluetooth drivers. Judging by the symptoms you're describing your problem indeed sounds like a driver issue. Disabling power saving options for bluetooth seems to be a reasonable thing to try, but if it doesn't help - update your drivers. You'd have to figure out the name of your bluetooth chip and find most recent drivers for it - this is what helped in my case. --Tony
On 9/11/2019 8:39 AM, Giles Turnbull
wrote:
Hi John,
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Re: links on web page
Gene
In browse mode, when you are on the link, move the
mouse to the link with numpad insert numpad star. That is the key to the
right of the numlock. In other words, hold down numpad insert and press
numpad star.
Then release both keys and left click with numpad
star.
If you are using the laptop layout, someone can
give you those commands.
Gene
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I have a web page for my investments that has things that NVDA says are links that I can't open. I have tried hitting enter on them, used insert f7 to get the elements list to activate the link and nothing happens. I have tried hitting insert space bar before hitting enter and nothing happens. If i get sighted help they can use a physical mouse to left click the link which then opens a list of options similar to what a combo box might do. Any other ideas as how to deal with such a link? Thanks
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links on web page
Don H
Running win 10 1903 and latest version2019.2 and google chrome.
I have a web page for my investments that has things that NVDA says are links that I can't open. I have tried hitting enter on them, used insert f7 to get the elements list to activate the link and nothing happens. I have tried hitting insert space bar before hitting enter and nothing happens. If i get sighted help they can use a physical mouse to left click the link which then opens a list of options similar to what a combo box might do. Any other ideas as how to deal with such a link? Thanks
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Re: Bluetooth problem
Hi John,
I wonder if Tony Malykh's bluetooth audio addon might help. It is intended to stop the computer's blue tooth from going into standby for audio purposes, but I don't see why it wouldn't work for your Braille device's bluetooth connection too. This is the web link: https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/BluetoothAudio.en.html And this, copied from the addon page, explains how it works: "Most bluetooth devices enter standby mode after a few seconds of inactivity. That means that when NVDA starts speaking again, the first split second of sound will be lost. Bluetooth Audio add-on prevents bluetooth devices from entering standby mode by constantly playing a silent sound, that is inaudible to a human ear." Hope it helps :) Giles
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Re: Bluetooth problem
John,
What Bluetooth card do you have in your machine, and when were the device drivers last updated? If it's an Intel card they have been churning out update after update for the last several years now and not supplying same to the computer OEMs or Microsoft in a timely manner. There is a strong symbiotic relationship between device drivers and Windows 10 itself, so it's essential to keep both up to date. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362 The color of truth is grey. ~ André Gide
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Re: What is UI automation in Windows console for?
On Tue, Sep 10, 2019 at 05:11 AM, Rob Hudson wrote:
But it doesn't tell us how it will do that.And it probably never will. Most deep dives into programming details "sound like doublespeak," period, and trying to make anything complex relatively comprehensible to "the average user" is a fraught proposition to begin with. You have no need to know exactly how it will do that. Most of us have no idea how the programs we use to accomplish anything do what they do, nor do we need to. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362 The color of truth is grey. ~ André Gide
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Re: Screen recorder.
Hi.
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Thanks I'll reinstall the program and give it a go once more. Chantelle
On 9/11/19, George McCoy <slr1bpz@...> wrote:
Thanks for the tip, Sarah. That's a lot better way. --
Never give up, at any cost.
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Re: NVDA treating an interactive shell running under command line a little bit odd - php interactive interpreter
Jacob Kruger
Ok, one other advantage, or good usage example here is, if I use windows 10's own SSH command line client to connect to a remote server, while running this latest NVDA alpha, it actually handles the slightly latent feedback/output quite a bit better than the current 19.2 does/would.
Just FYI. Jacob Kruger Blind Biker "Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."
On 2019-09-11 10:43 AM, Quentin
Christensen wrote:
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