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Re: NVDA pronouncing "no" as "number" with some widgets but only with Microsoft synthesizers

Luke Davis
 

On Thu, 12 Sep 2019, Brian Vogel wrote:

Luke,             [Nn][Oo]\.* (\d+) number \2 was a mistake with the \2, it should have been \1I do not understand the need for the double backslashes in
your:  ([Nn][Oo]\\.*)(?= *\\d+) as that means you are actually escaping the backslash.
Right you are. In my defense, the double backslashes weren't in the original versions of those.
I wrote them in Python, and when I was done, I printed the variables and copied and pasted without looking. I am very unclear why it escaped the backslashes.
I apologize.
It originally said:

([Nn][Oo]\.*)(?= *\d+)

Luke

Re: Equalizer

 

Ame,

          If you want me to try to do a "deep dive" into this, and you can provide screen shots, let's take this to the Chat Subgroup, as it really has nothing to do with NVDA.

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Re: Equalizer

Ame
 

Well, I’ve tweaked so many of them it’s hard to remember which ones I set where.  I’d like to shave off a little more between 400 and 600 hz.  Doesn’t  seem to wanna do that for me without making something else weird happen.  No distortion or anything but it seems to want to make something else stick out.  I’ve fine tuned it as much as I can.  I know those are the frequencies I needed to tone down because I’ve experimented with stuff in Audacity and I got the desired result.  Don’t need much, just a little bit… five, maybe six db?

Re: NVDA pronouncing "no" as "number" with some widgets but only with Microsoft synthesizers

 

Oddly enough, using regular expression:

[Nn][Oo]\.

works.  It requires that the N O be followed by the period, and in any instance where it is you get Number.   There is an issue, though, if no is at the very end of a sentence.  I can't seem to find a way to effectively say, "but not at the end of a sentence," at least not yet.

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The color of truth is grey.

           ~ André Gide

 

 

Re: New add-on for Brother Utilities app

Robert Logue
 

Hello Rui.  I am very interested in your addon. I just got a Brother laser mfp.


Please. How do I install this addon?


Thanks.


Bob

On 2019-05-18 9:36 a.m., Rui Fontes wrote:
Hello!

It is available an add-on to labell the buttons of this app, used for the Broter printers and multifunctionals and to gave some hints...

The code is available in:
https://github.com/ruifontes/BrLauncher

Direct download:
https://github.com/ruifontes/BrLauncher/releases/download/1.0/BrLauncher-1.0.nvda-addon

Best regards,

Rui Fontes
NVDA portuguese team
Tiflotecnia, Lda.

Re: Equalizer

 

What setting are you using on the Realtek?   They've generally got a "Custom" that allows all controls to be operated independently of each other.

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The color of truth is grey.

           ~ André Gide

 

 

Equalizer

Ame
 

Hi all!  Still on the lookout for an NVDA user friendly  eq.  Thanks to Jaffar Sidek for his kindness in sharing info on Equalizer APO but I don’t have the programming smarts to operate that one.  There are too many variables I know nothing about.  Can anybody recommend one that you just open and use the little sliders to tweak various bands?  My Realtek HD eq’s good but I’m having trouble dumbing down a couple frequencies.  Try to turn those down and it boosts others and makes everything sound like you’ve got cups over the speakers.  Lol  Thanks for your help in advance. 

Re: NVDA pronouncing "no" as "number" with some widgets but only with Microsoft synthesizers

 

Luke,

             [Nn][Oo]\.* (\d+) number \2 was a mistake with the \2, it should have been \1

I do not understand the need for the double backslashes in your:  ([Nn][Oo]\\.*)(?= *\\d+) as that means you are actually escaping the backslash. And running this through the Regex101.com engines confirms that. I get the "don't consume" bit, but try to avoid using that myself.

All of the above being said, I did a cut and past of your regular expression for the number abbreviation situation, and am still getting NVDA saying "No" for it.  Notepad file of test phrases is:

No, I won't go.
 
No no no
 
Chanel No. 5
 
Space no. 763
 
No. 7

---------------------------------------------
Something's off here.  I even still get the no pronunciation if I take those double backslashes out and use singles:

([Nn][Oo]\.*)(?= *\d+)

The Regex101 engines all show that matching the classic N O period abbreviation for number, but NVDA is not saying Number when that's used.

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The color of truth is grey.

           ~ André Gide

 

 

Re: Clock-19.09 #addonrelease

Abdel
 

Hello Robert,

For this, you can subscribe to the nvda-addons mailing list on groups.io:

https://nvda-addons.groups.io/g/nvda-addons

Or dev-learning:

https://nvda.groups.io/g/devlearning

There are also online tutorials.

NVDA 2019.2 Developer Guide:

https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/documentation/developerGuide.html

NVDA Add on Development Guide:

https://github.com/nvdaaddons/DevGuide/wiki/NVDA-Add-on-Development-Guide

Hope this helps.

Kind regards,
Abdel.


Le 12/09/2019 à 12:48, Robert Doc Wright godfearer a écrit :

I wish I knew enough to do this. There are some things I would like to contribute for SPL Creator.

 

 

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From: Abdel
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2019 3:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Cc: nvda-addons@nvda-addons.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Clock-19.09 #AddonRelease

 

Hi everyone,

 

It's been 2 weeks since the 19.09 development version of the Clock

add-on has been released.

 

As no bug was reported during this period, I announce the release of the

stable version 19.09.

 

This version of the add-on is downloadable here, it is also available by

clicking on the stable version" link on the community website, as well

as with addonUpdater:

 

https://addons.nvda-project.org/files/get.php?file=cac

 

As announced earlier, this release fixes a bug that occurred when the

start time was greater than the end time in quiet hours.

 

Thanks.

 

Kind regards,

Abdel.

 

 

 

 

Re: Clock-19.09 #addonrelease

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 

I wish I knew enough to do this. There are some things I would like to contribute for SPL Creator.

 

 

 ******

Jesus says, follow me and I'll help you through the rough spots.

the world says, hey come with me. My way is broad and easy. So what if you get crap on your shoes. You can always wash it off, can't you!                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Abdel
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2019 3:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Cc: nvda-addons@nvda-addons.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Clock-19.09 #AddonRelease

 

Hi everyone,

 

It's been 2 weeks since the 19.09 development version of the Clock

add-on has been released.

 

As no bug was reported during this period, I announce the release of the

stable version 19.09.

 

This version of the add-on is downloadable here, it is also available by

clicking on the stable version" link on the community website, as well

as with addonUpdater:

 

https://addons.nvda-project.org/files/get.php?file=cac

 

As announced earlier, this release fixes a bug that occurred when the

start time was greater than the end time in quiet hours.

 

Thanks.

 

Kind regards,

Abdel.

 

 

 

 

Clock-19.09 #addonrelease

Abdel
 

Hi everyone,

It's been 2 weeks since the 19.09 development version of the Clock add-on has been released.

As no bug was reported during this period, I announce the release of the stable version 19.09.

This version of the add-on is downloadable here, it is also available by clicking on the stable version" link on the community website, as well as with addonUpdater:

https://addons.nvda-project.org/files/get.php?file=cac

As announced earlier, this release fixes a bug that occurred when the start time was greater than the end time in quiet hours.

Thanks.

Kind regards,
Abdel.

Re: NVDA pronouncing "no" as "number" with some widgets but only with Microsoft synthesizers

Luke Davis
 

On Wed, 11 Sep 2019, Brian Vogel wrote:

Quentin, I tried playing with, both of which were defined as regular expression without case sensitivity: [Nn][Oo]\.* (\d+) number \2
The most obvious problem, is that \2 should be \1. You only have one capturing subexpression, so \2 should be undefined.

That said:

Using source string:
This is no. 5 and No. 6. No it isn't!

pattern: ([Nn][Oo]\\.*)(?= *\\d+)
and replacement: number

Results in:
This is number 5 and number 6. No it isn't!

In Python, the (?=...) construct means "Match, but don't consume".

Note: tested at the python console with re.sub, not in NVDA directly.

[Nn][Oo](\s|$) NoThe above should cause any case combination of "no", optionally followed by a period, followed by a space, followed by one or more digits
to be announced as, "Number" followed by the number that is in the collection of digits.  That's the first line.The second should cause any case combination
of "no" followed by white space or where "no" is the only thing on the line to be announced as No.The problem is that the first line is not working, at
all.   If I have the line:Chanel No. 5
"Chanel number 5" with my expression above.

I would probably do your second pattern as:

[Nn][Oo](?!\.* *\d+)

Using that pattern, a replacement of "know", with this source string:
This is no no. 1, oh no!

Results in:
This is know no. 1, oh know!

And:

No. Way. This. is. No. 1!

Gets:
know. Way. This. is. No. 1!

Hth.

Luke

Re: NVDA pronouncing "no" as "number" with some widgets but only with Microsoft synthesizers

Quentin Christensen
 

I must admit, I need to brush up on my regex.  Has anyone got any thoughts for Brian in the meantime?


On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 2:27 PM Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
Quentin, I tried playing with, both of which were defined as regular expression without case sensitivity:

[Nn][Oo]\.* (\d+) number \2
[Nn][Oo](\s|$) No

The above should cause any case combination of "no", optionally followed by a period, followed by a space, followed by one or more digits to be announced as, "Number" followed by the number that is in the collection of digits.  That's the first line.

The second should cause any case combination of "no" followed by white space or where "no" is the only thing on the line to be announced as No.

The problem is that the first line is not working, at all.   If I have the line:

Chanel No. 5

I still get NVDA saying Chanel no 5.   I have tested that regular expression using every engine and all of them match anything with the standard N O period number abbreviation and snag the actual number that follows it.  I can't figure out why I'm not getting, "Chanel Number 5."  Any ideas?

This is not a complex regular expression, and I know it has to match, but the substitution "Number \2" is not giving me either the word "number" or the digits, either.
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Re: NVDA pronouncing "no" as "number" with some widgets but only with Microsoft synthesizers

 

Quentin, I tried playing with, both of which were defined as regular expression without case sensitivity:

[Nn][Oo]\.* (\d+) number \2
[Nn][Oo](\s|$) No

The above should cause any case combination of "no", optionally followed by a period, followed by a space, followed by one or more digits to be announced as, "Number" followed by the number that is in the collection of digits.  That's the first line.

The second should cause any case combination of "no" followed by white space or where "no" is the only thing on the line to be announced as No.

The problem is that the first line is not working, at all.   If I have the line:

Chanel No. 5

I still get NVDA saying Chanel no 5.   I have tested that regular expression using every engine and all of them match anything with the standard N O period number abbreviation and snag the actual number that follows it.  I can't figure out why I'm not getting, "Chanel Number 5."  Any ideas?

This is not a complex regular expression, and I know it has to match, but the substitution "Number \2" is not giving me either the word "number" or the digits, either.
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The color of truth is grey.

           ~ André Gide

 

 

Re: NVDA pronouncing "no" as "number" with some widgets but only with Microsoft synthesizers

Quentin Christensen
 

It's the Microsoft Synthesizer trying to be helpful and assume that "no" = "number".  The two actions I can suggest are:

1) Report it to Microsoft's Disability Answer Desk, and request their synths not make those assumptions.
2) You can use NVDA's speech dictionary to add an entry for "no" to try to prevent it.  It would be worth testing whether it is case sensitive (eg is "No" treated the same as "no", or "NO"), in which case you could make a entry to change "No" (whole words only) to "no".  Just remember if you are proof reading something and looking for missed capitals :)

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 5:13 AM slugolicious via Groups.Io <slugolicious=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
If a <select> element has "yes" and "no" options, "no" is pronounced as "number" when using any of the Microsoft synthesizers (Microsoft Speech API version 5, Microsoft Speech Platform, Windows OneCore voices).  It works ok with eSpeak. 

If you have "yes" and "no" as radio buttons or checkboxes, it's correctly pronounced as "no".

Sample code:
```
<select>
  <option>yes</option>
  <option>no</option>
</select>               

<select size=5>
  <option>yes</option>
  <option>no</option>
</select>               

<label>
  <input name="a1" type="radio">
  yes
</label>
<label>
  <input name="a1" type="radio">
  no
</label>

<label>
  <input type="checkbox">
  yes
</label>
<label>
  <input type="checkbox">
  no
</label>
```

Tab to the <select>, expand the drop down list, arrow down to "no" and you'll hear "number".  If you select "no" and tab off the <select> then tab back to the <select>, you'll correctly hear "no".

If the <select> is displayed as a listbox (second example), and "no" is selected and you tab off the listbox and then tab back to it, "number" is announced.

"yes" and "no" work ok for radio buttons and checkboxes.



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Training and Support Manager

Re: links on web page

Arlene
 

That sucks!  What a company.  They should make it accessable for all.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Don H
Sent: September 11, 2019 2:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] links on web page

 

No I can not read the drop down list after a sighted helper clicks on

the link.

All the suggestions so far have not helped in the least.

I have tried using Google Chrome, Brave, Firefox as the browser.  I have

tried usind NDDA, Jaws and narrator.

I have tried working with the company before and they are unwilling to

change their site to offer better access.

 

On 9/11/2019 3:28 PM, Luke Davis wrote:

> Hi Don

>

> When the sighted user activates the link for you, are you then able to

> navigate the dropdown list of options?

>

> Also, can you simulate this behavior by going to one of the links,

> pressing nvda+numpadDivide, then pressing numpadDivide on its own? In

> other words: routing the mouse to the current nav object, then left

> clicking it?

>

> Btw: did I run into you on some StockGumshoe forum like five years ago,

> and exchange emails about programatic investing?

>

> Luke

>

>

> On Wed, 11 Sep 2019, Don H wrote:

>

>> Running win 10 1903 and latest version2019.2 and google chrome.

>> I have a web page for my investments that has things that NVDA says

>> are links that I can't open.  I have tried hitting enter on them, used

>> insert f7 to get the elements list to activate the link and nothing

>> happens.  I have tried hitting insert space bar before hitting enter

>> and nothing happens.

>> If i get sighted help they can use a physical mouse to left click the

>> link which then opens a list of options similar to what a combo box

>> might do.  Any other ideas as how to deal with such a link?

>> Thanks

>

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

Re: links on web page

Don H
 

No I can not read the drop down list after a sighted helper clicks on the link.
All the suggestions so far have not helped in the least.
I have tried using Google Chrome, Brave, Firefox as the browser. I have tried usind NDDA, Jaws and narrator.
I have tried working with the company before and they are unwilling to change their site to offer better access.

On 9/11/2019 3:28 PM, Luke Davis wrote:
Hi Don
When the sighted user activates the link for you, are you then able to navigate the dropdown list of options?
Also, can you simulate this behavior by going to one of the links, pressing nvda+numpadDivide, then pressing numpadDivide on its own? In other words: routing the mouse to the current nav object, then left clicking it?
Btw: did I run into you on some StockGumshoe forum like five years ago, and exchange emails about programatic investing?
Luke
On Wed, 11 Sep 2019, Don H wrote:

Running win 10 1903 and latest version2019.2 and google chrome.
I have a web page for my investments that has things that NVDA says are links that I can't open.  I have tried hitting enter on them, used insert f7 to get the elements list to activate the link and nothing happens.  I have tried hitting insert space bar before hitting enter and nothing happens.
If i get sighted help they can use a physical mouse to left click the link which then opens a list of options similar to what a combo box might do.  Any other ideas as how to deal with such a link?
Thanks

Keystrokes in Transcribe

Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

                                                Hi,

 

Have we any users of Transcribe! the music transcription program?

 

I need to use this program with keystrokes rather than the mouse but I cannot find a comprehensive list of keystrokes to use. I wonder if anyone knows where I can find such a list, please?

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2019 1:03 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] excel problem

 

I think what you've done is set one of your previous rows as the column headers - that would explain both why it is reading another number as you move, AND why it's not reading the cell headers you expect.  Either go back to the first cell with cell headers, and press NVDA+control+c twice quickly to remove the header,  OR press CONTROL+F3 to open the names manager, and remove any from the current worksheet with names like "ColumnTitle_d7cd3b3b417b4fcdbebe4c26720205cc"

 

Regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Tue, Sep 10, 2019 at 5:10 AM Gary Metzler <gmtravel@...> wrote:

Hi Robert,

 

It’s from a prior cell.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert Doc Wright godfearer
Sent: Monday, September 9, 2019 1:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] excel problem

 

When you say it speaks a prior number is this the number from the previous cell or the top of the column or row?

 

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From: Gary Metzler
Sent: Monday, September 9, 2019 10:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] excel problem

 

Hi All,

 

I am using the latest windows 10 and nvda.  I am using excel 2016. 

I created a spreadsheet to track my blood pressure but when I go to enter a number nvda speaks a prior number.  Is there a setting I need to change?  Also I have nvda set to announce headers but, it doesn’t do it.  Thanks for any help.

 


 

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Training and Support Manager

 

Keystrokes in Transcribe

Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

                                                Hi,

 

Have we any users of Transcribe! the music transcription program?

 

I need to use this program with keystrokes rather than the mouse but I cannot find a comprehensive list of keystrokes to use. I wonder if anyone knows where I can find such a list, please?

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2019 1:03 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] excel problem

 

I think what you've done is set one of your previous rows as the column headers - that would explain both why it is reading another number as you move, AND why it's not reading the cell headers you expect.  Either go back to the first cell with cell headers, and press NVDA+control+c twice quickly to remove the header,  OR press CONTROL+F3 to open the names manager, and remove any from the current worksheet with names like "ColumnTitle_d7cd3b3b417b4fcdbebe4c26720205cc"

 

Regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Tue, Sep 10, 2019 at 5:10 AM Gary Metzler <gmtravel@...> wrote:

Hi Robert,

 

It’s from a prior cell.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert Doc Wright godfearer
Sent: Monday, September 9, 2019 1:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] excel problem

 

When you say it speaks a prior number is this the number from the previous cell or the top of the column or row?

 

 ******

Jesus says, follow me and I'll help you through the rough spots.

the world says, hey come with me. My way is broad and easy. So what if you get crap on your shoes. You can always wash it off, can't you!                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gary Metzler
Sent: Monday, September 9, 2019 10:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] excel problem

 

Hi All,

 

I am using the latest windows 10 and nvda.  I am using excel 2016. 

I created a spreadsheet to track my blood pressure but when I go to enter a number nvda speaks a prior number.  Is there a setting I need to change?  Also I have nvda set to announce headers but, it doesn’t do it.  Thanks for any help.

 


 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 

Re: links on web page

Luke Davis
 

Hi Don

When the sighted user activates the link for you, are you then able to navigate the dropdown list of options?

Also, can you simulate this behavior by going to one of the links, pressing nvda+numpadDivide, then pressing numpadDivide on its own? In other words: routing the mouse to the current nav object, then left clicking it?

Btw: did I run into you on some StockGumshoe forum like five years ago, and exchange emails about programatic investing?

Luke

On Wed, 11 Sep 2019, Don H wrote:

Running win 10 1903 and latest version2019.2 and google chrome.
I have a web page for my investments that has things that NVDA says are links that I can't open. I have tried hitting enter on them, used insert f7 to get the elements list to activate the link and nothing happens. I have tried hitting insert space bar before hitting enter and nothing happens.
If i get sighted help they can use a physical mouse to left click the link which then opens a list of options similar to what a combo box might do. Any other ideas as how to deal with such a link?
Thanks