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Re: NVDA command to copy a link
Pascal Lambert <coccinelle86@...>
Hi Gene, I am using the latest versions of Windows and NVDA. I am referring to a link to an article on Breitbart.com that I want to copy and paste on Facebook so other can click on it to read. Many thanks. Blessings Pascal
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2019 11:20 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA command to copy a link
You don't have to use the mouse if you are in browse mode or in a list view in a program that supports this kind of thing. and you only use the context menu if you are copying a link address where the link is words such as click here to see the article. If the link is written out, you copy it to the clipboard and paste it wherever you want.
If the link is words, Be on the link. Open the application menu either with the application key or shift f10. Look at the items in the menu. Is there something like copy link location or copy link? Please give a concrete example including telling us if you want to copy a written out link or a link as words, such as click here to see the article. Also, tell us what program you are using.
Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Pascal Lambert Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2019 8:21 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA command to copy a link
Hi Quentin, Thank you so much for your prompt reply. My keyboard does not have an application key. Sorry for being such a novice, how do you copy with the mouse? Is there an alternative to using the application key? Sometimes I used the shift-f9 which provides a menu that has a copy link command. Unfortunately, for some reason it at times copies the link above the one I am interested in copying. Many thanks for your help. Blessings Pascal
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Note that control+c doesn't work if you select the link (or anything) with the mouse - if you've used the mouse to select, then press the applications key to bring up the context menu, and choose "copy".
In many cases, if you navigate to a link, you can use the applications key to bring up the context menu and choose "copy link location" or "copy link address".
Regards
Quentin.
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Re: Microsoft word: determine bullet shapes with NVDA
Quentin Christensen
Hi Vincent, In Word, where you want to start a bulleted list, if you press ALT+H for the home ribbon, then "u" for bulleted list (think of it either as the second letter in the word bullet, since B was taken for border - OR u for unordered list). This opens a list where you can select the type of bullets to use from Recently used, Bullet library or document bullets. Or you can go down to "define new bullets" and choose your own character, or image. While on a list, if you press alt+h, u, it will open the same list, but with the focus on the bullet currently being used. Regards Quentin.
On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 8:16 PM Vincent Le Goff <vincent.legoff.srs@...> wrote: Hi everyone, --
Quentin Christensen Training and Support Manager Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/ Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/ User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess Twitter: @NVAccess
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Re: Equalizer APO
Jaffar Sidek <jaffar.sidek10@...>
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On 9/13/2019 4:10 PM, Robert Doc Wright
godfearer wrote:
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Microsoft word: determine bullet shapes with NVDA
Vincent Le Goff <vincent.legoff.srs@...>
Hi everyone,
I'm working with Microsoft Word a lot these days. I like to have consistent documents and try to create visually-attracting ones when I can, with headers and footers and nice tables and so on. I'm following the guide to Microsoft Word with NVDA, which is very useful. However, one thing I can't figure out how to do: when in a bulleted list, how do you know what bullet is used? I like to use the same kind for all my ordered list. As far as I know, when trying to avoid standard bullets (I personally like the "filled square" one), Word relies on numbers (like bullet 318) when you try to insert. But does NVDA reports the kind of bullet used? And if so, how? This information doesn't seem to be present in NVDA+F. On the other hand, I think one cannot focus the bullets to "see" what they are, though I might be mistaken about that. As someone who doesn't and can't use the speech output, relying on just auditory indications isn't going to work, though I can still use the speech viewer if needed. Thanks for your help, Vincent
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Re: Creating a new synthesizer
Quentin Christensen
Thank you Reece, This is an excellent set of resources! And yes, developing a TTS is a very extensive job, which is pretty much the main reason we didn't get to polishing speech player. The code is freely available and it is open source if anyone is interested in working on it. Kind regards Quentin.
On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 5:04 PM Reece H. Dunn <msclrhd@...> wrote:
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Re: NVDA command to copy a link
Chris Mullins
Hi Just for the sake of clarity, I would like to point out that there is no NVDA command to perform this task, all the solutions proposed are Windows commands.
Cheers Chris
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pascal Lambert
Sent: 13 September 2019 01:58 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] NVDA command to copy a link
Hi, Please is there an NVDA command to copy a link? Many thanks Blessings Pascal
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Re: Equalizer APO
Robert Doc Wright godfearer
I must have missed this thread. Where can I find this E Q?
****** Jesus says, follow me and I'll help you through the rough spots. the world says, hey come with me. My way is broad and easy. So what if you get crap on your shoes. You can always wash it off, can't you! Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: Orlando Enrique Fiol via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2019 12:54 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Equalizer APO
At 04:47 PM 9/8/2019, Jaffar Sidek wrote: >Yes it is free. You can download it hear:
Not only is it free, but there are two ways to configure equalizers and filters. One is with the program's editor, which is a dialogue with buttons and edit boxes. The other, which is much more powerful, is simply to edit the text files in the Config directory. Yes, they are plain text files. If you're editing and want to hear how things sound while you tweak values, simply press save and the settings will be instantly updated. Great stuff! Orlando Enrique Fiol
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Re: Creating a new synthesizer
Reece H. Dunn
I'll have more later, but here is a start (welcome to the rabbit hole). A speech synthesizer voice typically consists of two parts: 1. the text to phonemes part; 2. the phonemes to audio part. The text to phonemes part typically consists of a dictionary mapping words to phonemes and a set of rules for how to pronounce certain word patterns (like "EE" in English). Phonemes (General) 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Phonetic_Alphabet -- used by linguists for transcribing languages (see also all the references from this for phoneme theory) 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lexical_set (English) 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Phonetic_Alphabet_chart_for_English_dialects -- see also the different IPA references for a given language Phoneme Transcription Schemes 1. https://www.phon.ucl.ac.uk/home/sampa/ -- Language-specific SAMPA transcriptions; used by MBROLA voices 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARPABET -- Used as the basis of the CMU/FestVox voices 1. https://github.com/espeak-ng/espeak-ng/blob/master/docs/phonemes/cxs.md -- Conlang X-SAMPA 1. https://github.com/espeak-ng/espeak-ng/blob/master/docs/phonemes/kirshenbaum.md -- Kirshenbaum / ASCII-IPA 1. https://github.com/espeak-ng/espeak-ng/blob/master/docs/phonemes/xsampa.md -- X-SAMPA Pronunciation Dictionaries 1. https://github.com/rhdunn/cmudict-tools -- python tools for working with CMU dictionary like pronunciation dictionaries 1. https://github.com/rhdunn/cmudict -- historical view of the CMU pronunciation dictionary for American English 1. https://github.com/rhdunn/amepd -- my attempts to clean up and extend the cmudict to make it more consistent Formant Synthesizers 1. http://www.fon.hum.uva.nl/david/ma_ssp/2010/Klatt-1980-JAS000971.pdf -- Dennis Klatt's original 1980 paper 1. http://www.fon.hum.uva.nl/david/ma_ssp/doc/Klatt-1990-JAS000820.pdf -- Dennis Klatt's follow up 1990 paper Creating a Voice 1. http://festvox.org/cmu_arctic/ -- A set of 7 English voices with US, Canadian, Indian, and Scottish accents 1. http://festvox.org/festvox/festvox_toc.html -- FestVox documentation on building a voice 1. https://github.com/numediart/MBROLATOR -- MBROLA documentation on creating a voice 1. https://github.com/espeak-ng/espeak-ng/blob/master/docs/add_language.md -- eSpeak NG docs on adding a language; the other docs in the docs folder contains more information, and the documentation can definitely be improved
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Re: Equalizer APO
Orlando Enrique Fiol
At 04:47 PM 9/8/2019, Jaffar Sidek wrote:
Yes it is free. You can download it hear: Not only is it free, but there are two ways to configure equalizers and filters. One is with the program's editor, which is a dialogue with buttons and edit boxes. The other, which is much more powerful, is simply to edit the text files in the Config directory. Yes, they are plain text files. If you're editing and want to hear how things sound while you tweak values, simply press save and the settings will be instantly updated. Great stuff! Orlando Enrique Fiol
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Re: Creating a new synthesizer
I remember the site I'm about to give you form ages ago. They are still at it. This is from a slightly different angle than what you might be looking for. Here it is:
On 9/13/2019 12:23 AM, Quentin
Christensen wrote:
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Re: Creating a new synthesizer
Luke Davis
On Fri, 13 Sep 2019, Gene wrote:
JAWS and Window-eyes used almost identical synthesizers, among the largest in the business in earlier days. JAWS used Eloquence, not its own developedWhich was developed by IBM. Ironically, the IBM Screenreader didn't even use their own speech, they used DEC hardware. The Myna palmtop, for example, back in the 90s, used the IBM screenreader and a torn-down DECTalk Express. System Access to Go used Via Voice. DOS screen-readers didn't have their own speech. They supported a lot of synthesizers but they didn't come bundledAt least one did. Tiny Talk, by Eric Poelman (forgive me if I got his name wrong--it's been fifteen years since I had to remember that), could use the software speech available on a SB16 sound card. Remember Doctor Sbaitso, anyone? It could use that voice, which makes the worst robotic Espeak voice sound like silk. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr._Sbaitso Luke
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Re: Creating a new synthesizer
Luke Davis
On Fri, 13 Sep 2019, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Even though thats strictly no longer necessary anymore, some old habbits die hard.Habit is no good reason to do a massive undertaking. As Gene said, unless we can make something worth having--I.E. better than Espeak in some fundamental way--what's the point? Bragging rights is not enough, if nobody actually wants what we're bragging about. I would like us on nvda to have our own synth, because we started it and because we can and why not.Gene already explained why not. It may not be a satisfactory answer--personally i would love for SpeechPlayer to be a viable synth that brings something interesting to the table--but the simple fact is that speech synth development takes a dedicated team of linguistic experts, audio experts, programmers, and years of effort dedicated to nothing else. NV Access has four people, and they have the task of overseeing the entire screen reader. If you can't give such an effort the development resources it deserves, you end up with an experiment and a novelty, which is what SpeechPlayer became. It would be very nice if it could have been more, and maybe something will still happen one day, but there are so many good speech synth options right now, that the urgency and justification for dedicating the astonishingly limited resources available to such a project, just isn't there. If someone wants to fund a team to do this development work, I'm sure NV Access would be happy to reconsider its priority; but until somebody does, it seems unlikely, for good reason, to continue at any kind of pleasing momentum. Luke
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Re: Creating a new synthesizer
Gene
JAWS and Window-eyes used almost identical
synthesizers, among the largest in the business in earlier days. JAWS used
Eloquence, not its own developed synthesizer. Window-eyes used Via Voice,
almost identical in sound and performance, whatever technical difference the two
synthesizers had.
System Access to Go used Via Voice. DOS
screen-readers didn't have their own speech. They supported a lot of
synthesizers but they didn't come bundled with one.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2019 12:21 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Creating a new synthesizer True, but my point was that just about every screen reader at least in the old days had their own flagship synth of choice right back to the dos days. Just like every soundcard had an fm midi chip. Even though thats strictly no longer necessary anymore, some old habbits die hard. I would like us on nvda to have our own synth, because we started it and because we can and why not. Just about everyone else had one, maybe not so much now but I remember the days when sound cards had fm midi chips and when you used x synth for x program. Thats a bit more fluid now days but even so. On 13/09/2019 5:15 pm, Sky Mundell wrote:
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Re: Creating a new synthesizer
Probably not, but still we started. Why did we stop.
On 13/09/2019 5:17 pm, Gene wrote:
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Re: Creating a new synthesizer
True, but my point was that just about every screen reader at least in the old days had their own flagship synth of choice right back to the dos days. Just like every soundcard had an fm midi chip. Even though thats strictly no longer necessary anymore, some old habbits die hard. I would like us on nvda to have our own synth, because we started it and because we can and why not. Just about everyone else had one, maybe not so much now but I remember the days when sound cards had fm midi chips and when you used x synth for x program. Thats a bit more fluid now days but even so.
On 13/09/2019 5:15 pm, Sky Mundell
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Re: Creating a new synthesizer
Gene
Bragging rites mean nothing unless the product is
superior. People don't care if NVDA has its own synthesizer or not and
resources can be much better used. It is a very specialized area to create
a really good synthesizer and NVDA doesn't have the expertise or the resources
to divert to such a product.
JAWS never had its own voice. Neither did
Window-eyes nor does System Access. Clearly, this is hardly something
screen-reader developers or the consuming public are concerned
about.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2019 12:12 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Creating a new synthesizer You know that really does bring up an interesting project which seems forgotton. What happened to our own synth the one called speech player. Why did we stop developing it or did nv access stop developing it. It probably won't be compatible with 1903 but thats utterly useless if development has stopped, so maybe we should start doing that again. I mean I like espeak ng but just about every screen reader company has their own synth. Dolphin uses orpheus, jaws uses eloquence. Windoweyes used dectalk, microsoft stuff used microsoft stuff. Nuance used vocaliser and eloquence for talks. True, we use espeak which is used with linux as well but the point we started our own synth, and I think we should continue. For whatever reason it just stopped. The synth was ok sounding, probably a bit outdated and crappy now but still we really should bring it back for bragging rights at least. On 13/09/2019 4:23 pm, Quentin Christensen
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Re: Creating a new synthesizer
Sky Mundell
It would be wonderful if Speech Player could be developed again. I should also add that in the other comertial products you mentioned they did allow you to change the synthesizers and NVDA allows you to change the synthesizers as well.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2019 10:13 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Creating a new synthesizer
You know that really does bring up an interesting project which seems forgotton. What happened to our own synth the one called speech player. Why did we stop developing it or did nv access stop developing it. It probably won't be compatible with 1903 but thats utterly useless if development has stopped, so maybe we should start doing that again. I mean I like espeak ng but just about every screen reader company has their own synth. Dolphin uses orpheus, jaws uses eloquence. Windoweyes used dectalk, microsoft stuff used microsoft stuff. Nuance used vocaliser and eloquence for talks. True, we use espeak which is used with linux as well but the point we started our own synth, and I think we should continue. For whatever reason it just stopped. The synth was ok sounding, probably a bit outdated and crappy now but still we really should bring it back for bragging rights at least.
On 13/09/2019 4:23 pm, Quentin Christensen wrote:
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Re: Creating a new synthesizer
You know that really does bring up an interesting project which seems forgotton. What happened to our own synth the one called speech player. Why did we stop developing it or did nv access stop developing it. It probably won't be compatible with 1903 but thats utterly useless if development has stopped, so maybe we should start doing that again. I mean I like espeak ng but just about every screen reader company has their own synth. Dolphin uses orpheus, jaws uses eloquence. Windoweyes used dectalk, microsoft stuff used microsoft stuff. Nuance used vocaliser and eloquence for talks. True, we use espeak which is used with linux as well but the point we started our own synth, and I think we should continue. For whatever reason it just stopped. The synth was ok sounding, probably a bit outdated and crappy now but still we really should bring it back for bragging rights at least.
On 13/09/2019 4:23 pm, Quentin
Christensen wrote:
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Creating a new synthesizer
Quentin Christensen
Hi everyone, We get asked about creating a new synthesizer from time to time - either simply for ANY synthesizer to support a particular language, or someone wants to create a brand new one, perhaps with their own voice. Normally I suggest looking at the eSpeak NG project as a starting point. I was wondering, does anyone have any useful links on how to go about this, that I can pass on when I get such inquiries, please? I appreciate it's a very complex undertaking, which is why I'm asking here. If I'm going to pass on anything, I'd rather pass on something of some quality, rather than just a random link off eBay. Kind regards Quentin. Quentin Christensen Training and Support Manager Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/ Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/ User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess Twitter: @NVAccess
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Re: NVDA command to copy a link
Gene
You don't have to use the mouse if you are in
browse mode or in a list view in a program that supports this kind of
thing. and you only use the context menu if you are copying a link address
where the link is words such as click here to see the article. If the link
is written out,
you copy it to the clipboard and paste it wherever
you want.
If the link is words, Be on the link. Open
the application menu either with the application key or shift f10. Look at
the items in the menu. Is there something like copy link location or copy
link? Please give a concrete example including telling us if you want to
copy a written out link or a link as words, such as click here to see the
article. Also, tell us what program you are using.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Pascal Lambert
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2019 8:21 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA command to copy a link Hi Quentin, Thank you so much for your prompt reply. My keyboard does not have an application key. Sorry for being such a novice, how do you copy with the mouse? Is there an alternative to using the application key? Sometimes I used the shift-f9 which provides a menu that has a copy link command. Unfortunately, for some reason it at times copies the link above the one I am interested in copying. Many thanks for your help. Blessings Pascal
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Note that control+c doesn't work if you select the link (or anything) with the mouse - if you've used the mouse to select, then press the applications key to bring up the context menu, and choose "copy".
In many cases, if you navigate to a link, you can use the applications key to bring up the context menu and choose "copy link location" or "copy link address".
Regards
Quentin.
On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 11:01 AM Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io <k_gunness=yahoo.ca@groups.io> wrote:
-- Quentin
Christensen
Web: www.nvaccess.org Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/ Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/ User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
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