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Reading lists in word

Jensen, Amy <amy.jensen4@...>
 

Hi, word docs with NVDA for me read lists (unordered and numbered) as simply “bullet xxxx”, “bullet xxxx”, or “1 xxxxx”, “2 xxxxx”. Are there any preferences to enable these lists to be read as “List with 5 items”, for example, rather than simply stating the character before the text. These are not pseudo lists, they have been created with Microsoft word’s styles. I also have report lists enabled in the documents settings. Any advice would be appreciated. Thank you.


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Re: the new nod32 9.0?

 

I wonder, for these antivirus software companies...how much money is invested in accessibility.


zoom cloud meetings

 

Has anyone else used this client? I find it to be extremely accessible,
with the exception of there not being enough keyboard accelerators. The
software I"m talking about can be found at:

www.zoom.us


Re: the new nod32 9.0?

 

And you guys critisise me for using msse.
But yeah I agree with the poster, security cool but the most secure is usually not the most accessible and that says something about hte industry.
Its bad, it sucks, its accessible, its good, its secure its not how do they expect the disabled to use their software.
Answer so many buy they don't give a stuff anymore so we have to use substandard software.

On 20/07/2016 12:32 a.m., Supanut Leepaisomboon wrote:
I agree. Accessibility, even for an antivirus software which is critically needed for Windows users, is not being given a priority. Personally I don't use Nod32, so can't comment on my own experience of using it with NVDA.

As a solution, as mentioned in this thread use either version 8 of Nod32 or use another av (though finding one that's accessible, and at the same time rated highly on lab tests and received positive reviews is going to be a pain).


Re: Vocalizer Update

Nimer Jaber
 

I am hoping that an announcement will be made on this list with instructions. I imagine that there will be a new driver update that will need to be downloaded, and new versions of voices that also can be downloaded, but I guess we will all find out.

Thanks.

On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 11:33 AM Fernando Apan <ferapan@...> wrote:
Hi All,
I don’t write on this list very often, because I prefer to read your opinions and keep learning obout our screen reader. However, I have a question regarding the vocalizer update. What steps do I have to follow in cace I want to upgrade when the update comes out?
Thanks in advance.
Cheers.
 
Fernando Apan.
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 11:20 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Vocalizer Update
 

Hi,

No, there hasn't been any update. I emailed them to ask when it will be released, and, as of the time they replied, which is pretty much 3 weeks ago, they said that it will be out within 2 weeks and...here we are, 3 weeks now and I checked the downloads page and it's still the same version, 3.0.12.

Note I'm referring to the Tifflotecnia version of Vocalizer.

Fernando Apan
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Skype: fernando.apan
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Re: Vocalizer Update

Fernando Apan
 

Hi All,
I don’t write on this list very often, because I prefer to read your opinions and keep learning obout our screen reader. However, I have a question regarding the vocalizer update. What steps do I have to follow in cace I want to upgrade when the update comes out?
Thanks in advance.
Cheers.
 
Fernando Apan.

Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 11:20 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Vocalizer Update
 

Hi,

No, there hasn't been any update. I emailed them to ask when it will be released, and, as of the time they replied, which is pretty much 3 weeks ago, they said that it will be out within 2 weeks and...here we are, 3 weeks now and I checked the downloads page and it's still the same version, 3.0.12.

Note I'm referring to the Tifflotecnia version of Vocalizer.

Fernando Apan
Tel: (228) 8 16 53 90
Twitter: @fernandoapan
Skype: fernando.apan
Sitio web personal:
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Re: Vocalizer Update

Nimer Jaber
 

Sounds good. Maybe we'll get it in the next year or two. :-D

I guess this is why most entities don't give out release dates... they are usually incorrect.

On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 11:20 AM Supanut Leepaisomboon <supanut2000@...> wrote:

Hi,

No, there hasn't been any update. I emailed them to ask when it will be released, and, as of the time they replied, which is pretty much 3 weeks ago, they said that it will be out within 2 weeks and...here we are, 3 weeks now and I checked the downloads page and it's still the same version, 3.0.12.

Note I'm referring to the Tifflotecnia version of Vocalizer.


Re: Vocalizer Update

 

Hi,

No, there hasn't been any update. I emailed them to ask when it will be released, and, as of the time they replied, which is pretty much 3 weeks ago, they said that it will be out within 2 weeks and...here we are, 3 weeks now and I checked the downloads page and it's still the same version, 3.0.12.

Note I'm referring to the Tifflotecnia version of Vocalizer.


Vocalizer Update

Nimer Jaber
 

Hello,

Just wondering if there have been any updates or announcements about the Vocalizer update that we have been expecting for a while now. Do we know when a release is expected?

Thanks.


Re: the new nod32 9.0?

 

I agree. Accessibility, even for an antivirus software which is critically needed for Windows users, is not being given a priority. Personally I don't use Nod32, so can't comment on my own experience of using it with NVDA.

As a solution, as mentioned in this thread use either version 8 of Nod32 or use another av (though finding one that's accessible, and at the same time rated highly on lab tests and received positive reviews is going to be a pain).


Re: The audio themes addon doesn't work under windows xp

Jacob Kruger
 

It doesn't seem to give me errors in my windows XP virtual machine here, but, hitting enter on the theme menu item under NVDA preferences menu doesn't seem to do anything either.


Stay well


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."
On 2016-07-19 11:26 AM, Nikos Demetriou via Groups.io wrote:

Hi all.
I am wondering if anyone else had the chance to try the audio themes addon under windows xp.
For me the addon is unable to load but it loads fine under windows 7.
When I load nvda, I hear the nvda error sound and I can't find the audio themes item under nvda menu.
Here is a part from my log which speaks about this addon.
If you need more of this log let me know.

ERROR - globalPluginHandler.listPlugins (09:30:47):
Error importing global plugin audioThemes
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "globalPluginHandler.pyc", line 22, in listPlugins
  File "C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\Application Data\nvda\addons\AudioThemes3D\globalPlugins\audioThemes\__init__.py", line 21, in <module>
  File "C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\Application Data\nvda\addons\AudioThemes3D\globalPlugins\audioThemes\dialogs\__init__.py", line 15, in <module>
  File "C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\Application Data\nvda\addons\AudioThemes3D\globalPlugins\audioThemes\backend\__init__.py", line 11, in <module>
  File "ctypes\__init__.pyc", line 443, in LoadLibrary
  File "ctypes\__init__.pyc", line 365, in __init__
WindowsError: [Error 126] The specified module could not be found
INFO - core.main (09:30:48):
NVDA initialized
Nikos


accessible tv tuner

Richard Kuzma
 

Good morning,

Has anyone had any luck with any usb tv tuner for your pc.

Thanks

 


Re: FW: Notes on NVDA and PowerPoint

Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

Christo,

 

Thanks for the feedback! It really is good to know that our idea is useful.

 

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

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The audio themes addon doesn't work under windows xp

 

Hi all.
I am wondering if anyone else had the chance to try the audio themes addon under windows xp.
For me the addon is unable to load but it loads fine under windows 7.
When I load nvda, I hear the nvda error sound and I can't find the audio themes item under nvda menu.
Here is a part from my log which speaks about this addon.
If you need more of this log let me know.

ERROR - globalPluginHandler.listPlugins (09:30:47):
Error importing global plugin audioThemes
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "globalPluginHandler.pyc", line 22, in listPlugins
  File "C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\Application Data\nvda\addons\AudioThemes3D\globalPlugins\audioThemes\__init__.py", line 21, in <module>
  File "C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\Application Data\nvda\addons\AudioThemes3D\globalPlugins\audioThemes\dialogs\__init__.py", line 15, in <module>
  File "C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\Application Data\nvda\addons\AudioThemes3D\globalPlugins\audioThemes\backend\__init__.py", line 11, in <module>
  File "ctypes\__init__.pyc", line 443, in LoadLibrary
  File "ctypes\__init__.pyc", line 365, in __init__
WindowsError: [Error 126] The specified module could not be found
INFO - core.main (09:30:48):
NVDA initialized
Nikos


Re: FW: Notes on NVDA and PowerPoint

 

hi
i visited your website geen
its very informative and useful.
thanks so much and God bless you.

On 7/19/16, Christo de Klerk <christodeklerk@...> wrote:
Hello guys

I want to say that I already find the notes extremely helpful. I think
it would be excellent if both the creation and the use were together in
the same document so that one has everything together for easy reference.

Thank you for giving so much of your time and skills to help others. I
for one really appreciate it. Through the notes you have provided so
far, I have already learnt so much about PowerPoint.

Kind regards

Christo


On 2016/07/18 9:42 PM, Cearbhall O'Meadhra wrote:
Gene,



I think this is excellent. We could use this to instruct those who wish
to
develop a slide show. My own approach was for a receiver or student who
is
presented with a slide show and need to read it completely with
confidence
that they are missing nothing. Thus these two should fit comfortably
beside
each other. Would you agree?



If we can agree the overall approach, we can work together to refine the
instructions for each concept.



The third module needed is that of configuring PowerPoint to run the
slide
show on an external monitor while showing the presenter the notes on a
laptop or desktop privately.



I have just changed over to Office 2016 today so I will be able to check
whether our recommended keystrokes will work with PowerPoint 2016.



iAll the best,



Cearbhall



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Sent: Monday, July 18, 2016 12:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] FW: Notes on NVDA and PowerPoint



Hi Cearbhall

Here is what I have typed up so far below... It might take you a little
while to navigate your way through it all. I also have a list of
shortcuts
for PowerPoint 2010 and 2013 which just need to be zipped and linked to
my
dropbox account and inserted into the webpage when it is posted to the
website.

Regards,

Gene NZ

How to create a PowerPoint presentation with NVDA

When you open up PowerPoint it will automatically go to the first slide.
This will open in slide view and this will be spoken out by NVDA. In the
first slide, if you tab, you will hear the following: Subtitle
placeholder
and Centre Title placeholder.

If you press the Enter key on either of these options, an editable box
will
come up. Here, type in your text. When finished, press the Escape key,
then
tab to the next item and repeat the process (as in the first option
given).
Make sure after you have typed in your text to press the Escape key.
Next,
if you use the Tab key you will hear what is written in each section. You
may also wish to add other items such as links, pictures or sounds
etcetera
to your presentation.



Adding extra slides

When you have finished creating your first slide, in most cases you will
want to add extra slides to the presentation. To add another slide as you
go
use the New Slide (Ctrl + M) shortcut. When a new slide is added you will
hear NVDA say slide 2 slide view.

This time when you use the Tab key you will hear NVDA say Title
placeholder
and Object placeholder. Repeat the steps as were done in slide one.

You will notice as you add extra slides NVDA will say the number of the
slide.

To go between slides you have created

As you create your presentation the more slides you add you will hear the
number of the slides go from number one to the number where you have
finished your last slide (for example slide 20).

You can use the page up key to take you back through your presentation
until
you arrive back at slide one. If you use the page down key, you can go
forwards through the presentation back to your last slide (for example
slide
20). You might hear NVDA also say slide show complete.

To get quickly to the start of your PowerPoint presentation or to the end
of
it

To quickly get back to your first slide you can use the Home key. This
will
take you to the very first slide you created and you should hear the
contents of the slide read out.

To quickly get to the very last slide of your presentation you can use
the
End key. You should hear the name of the very last slide read out and its
contents.



Using the F6 key to go between Windows

If you go back to your very first slide, then start pushing the F6 key,
you
will hear NVDA say the following: slide one slide view. Press the F6 key
again and you will hear NVDA say status bar, ribbon tab home. Press the
F6
key again and you will hear NVDA say slide one notes page multiline.
Press
the F6 key again and you will hear NVDA say thumbnail one of however many
slides you have created. Press the F6 key again and you will be back to
where you started.

Adding notes to your slides

If you would like to add a note to your presentation (on the slide that
you
are on), when you hear NVDA say slide notes page - type your note in
here.

When you hear NVDA say thumb nails number one of whatever is your last
slide, you can use your down and up arrow keys to go between each slide.

Watching the PowerPoint presentation you have created

To start your slide show, press the F5 key. This will start your
PowerPoint
presentation at the beginning of the PowerPoint you have created.

You can then either use the Enter key or the Spacebar to go to the next
slide (from start to finish) of your PowerPoint. NVDA will read the
slides
from top to bottom. You will hear when your slide show is finished with
NVDA
saying PowerPoint complete at the end of the slide show.

The PowerPoint presentation can also be automated, so it changes slides
at
set intervals between slides. You may have to play around with the timing
so
the slide is not quicker than NVDA reading out the slide. To have a set
interval between each slide that is the same use Alt + the letter K, then
the letter I. When you hear the following read out this is the time
between
each slide 00:00.00. You can use the up and down arrow keys to adjust the
time between each slide. These will all be set to the same length of
time
you specified (for example 10 seconds) before it goes to the next slide.

Inserting a picture into your PowerPoint presentation

Whenever you insert pictures, graphs, etcetera into your PowerPoint
presentation, please also add Alt text to the graphics in the slide at
the
same time. This way, when the screen reader comes to the picture, it will
read out the Alt text in the graphic. This helps a blind or visually
impaired student know what that picture/graphic is about. Alt text refers
to
alternate text.



To insert a picture into your slide show (on the current slide), press
the
Alt key + the letter N. Next, press the letter P, then the Enter key. A
dialogue box will come up. You can tab and shift tab around it to locate
your photo. In this area it will ask you what type of photo you want to
insert (as in the format of the photo) and give you the option to find it
on
your computer or portable media. When you have located your picture,
press
the Enter key on it and that picture will be inserted into the slide
show.

Next, use the application key and you will be given a selection of menus
to
arrow through. Arrow to the format picture menu, then press the Enter
key.
When the next screen comes up, you will be given quite a few options and
might hear NVDA say Picture Corrections List. You will need to locate the
Alt text menu. This might be a matter of arrowing right or left to get to
the tab. You can also tab through the different sections there under the
different menus.

Under the Alt text section, when you first tab, it will give you the
option
to give the picture a title. Enter in whatever you want to in this
section
(for example Dog playing in the snow). The next time you tab, it will
let
you put in a description about the photo (for example our house all
covered
in snow with the dog playing in the snow and children chucking snow balls
at
each other). Next, tab down to the close button then press the Enter key.
Now, the Alt text is inserted into the photo you put into the PowerPoint
presentation.

You will hear content placeholder when the alternative text in the
picture
is read out.

Switching between the slide and its accompanying notes

If you would like to switch between the slide and any accompanying notes
(if
any) you can use the following shortcut. Press Control + Shift + S to
switch
back and forth between the slide and its accompanying notes.

You must be watching your slide show to do this on each slide.



Adding notes to your presentation

When you are putting together your slide show presentation, there are a
couple of ways you can get to the notes section. One is to use the F6 key
until you hear NVDA say notes page. Here, enter in your notes, then use
the
F6 key to cycle you back to slide view.

The second way is to use a shortcut. The shortcut key to get to this
section
quickly is Alt + R, then C. Now, type in your comment, and make sure the
comment lines up with the slide.

Editing or reviewing each slide

When you are in slide view you can arrow down and up this section to each
slide you have created. Locate the slide you want to edit then tab once
until you hear NVDA say Centre Title placeholder. Next press the Enter
key
then an editable dialogue box will come up with whatever you had written
in
this section before. Make your changes, and press the Escape key. Now it
will be updated with the new information you have edited or replaced.

Tab once more until you hear NVDA say Subtitle placeholder, then press
the
Enter key. Make your changes then press the Escape key and the new
information will be updated.



Inserting a hyperlink into your Power Point presentation

From time to time you might want to put a hyperlink into your PowerPoint
presentation (that might point to a resource on the internet).

To add a hyperlink into your presentation, work out where in the text you
would like the hyperlink to be. For example, to visit the NVAccess
website
please go to and put your hyper link in here.

When you have found the right spot for the hyperlink to go on your slide,
press the application key on your keyboard. When a context menu comes up,
arrow until you hear NVDA say the menu that says hyperlink, then press
the
Enter key. It will ask you to put in the hyperlink address for example
<http://www.nvaccess.org> http://www.nvaccess.org Once done, tab to the
ok
button. Then press the Enter key. Now, your hyperlink will be in the
slide
where you put it.

The shortcut key to insert a hyperlink is Alt + N, then I. This will give
you a whole heap of extra options such as (under the Hyperlink
section)...
Create a link to a Web page, a picture, an e-mail address, or a program.

It is a matter of tabbing through the sections given and adding the parts
that you would like to put into your Power Point presentation.



Inserting a table into your slide

To insert a table into your slide, locate where you want it in your slide
to
be shown.

Next, press the Alt key + the letter N, then the letter T for table and
press the Enter key. This is the shortcut key to insert a table into your
slide.

You will now be given some options which you can tab through. There are
plenty of options to choose from (going from 1x1 Table onwards). You can
also use the Shift/Tab key to go back through the options given. If any
of
the other options suit you, press the Enter key on it.

Find the size of the table you want to put into the slide show then press
the Enter key. Your table will now be inserted into your slide.

Turning on the reporting of tables when editing a table

Make sure you have the report tables check box checked under the document
formatting section in NVDA; otherwise, you will have no idea of where you
are in the table. To do this, use the NVDA key + the Ctrl key + the letter
D
to quickly get to the document formatting dialogue section within NVDA.

Putting in a customized sized table

There may be times when you want to put in a certain sized table (for
example a 3 column by 2 row table).

To do a customized sized table (when you first go into the screen where
it
gives you a whole lot of options), you will hear NVDA say 1 times 1
table.
Shift/tab a couple of times until you hear NVDA say insert table, then
press
the Enter key. Here you will be able to enter a custom number for your
column and a custom number for your rows. Next, tab down to the ok button
then press the Enter key, and your new table will be inserted into the
PowerPoint slide.

If for any reason you are unsure where NVDA is focused, you can use the
NVDA
key + the Tab key so NVDA speaks the focused position.

Entering information into your table

You can now tab through the table you have inserted and enter your
information into it.

The applications key can be used while in the table to give you other
options. These include options such as: insert rows both above and below
or
insert columns both to the left or right; delete rows and delete columns;
merge cells; split cells and select table.

After you have finished inserting information into your table, press the
Escape key. You will need to go back to slide view and then play your
PowerPoint presentation. You will now hear stuff read out to you from
your
table. Make sure you note (when entering information into your table)
where
each tab will take you.



Creating accessible PowerPoint presentations - Office Support

If you would like to know more about how to create an accessible
PowerPoint
presentation, you may find the following link from Microsoft useful
<https://support.office.com/en-us/article/Creating-accessible-PowerPoint-pre
sentations-6f7772b2-2f33-4bd2-8ca7-dae3b2b3ef25>
https://support.office.com/en-us/article/Creating-accessible-PowerPoint-pres
entations-6f7772b2-2f33-4bd2-8ca7-dae3b2b3ef25





On 17/07/2016 9:59 PM, Cearbhall O'Meadhra wrote:

Gene,



I am delighted to hear that you are working on this too!



Can I see the notes you have put together so far?

I am wondering how far to go? My own notes are a guide to reading the
contents of a Powerpoint presentation with the confidence that I am
reading
everything and missing nothing. I see from other tutorials on PowerPoint
that some people would like to embellish the presentation and others ask
how
to build a presentation from scratch and then deal with the problem of
running the slide show so that only the presenter sees the notes and not
the audience.



I think we could see what we each have and then opt for modules that we
can
complete for now. We could then consider what else needs to be written or
what other tutorials could be pointed to so that people can develop their
own skills.





All the best,



Cearbhall



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<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Gene
New Zealand
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2016 10:04 PM
To: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] FW: Notes on NVDA and PowerPoint



Hi Cearbhall



If you are interested I have a basic tutorial on how to use PowerPoint
2010
it is not on my web site yet, but also has a list of the short cuts for
it
as well. It is enough to make up a PowerPoint add extra slides play it
etc.
it has not been tidied up yet but more can be added to it.



I got bored and started putting it together after reading the material in
the email of yours. I would also like to have a look at yours when your
power point tutorial is done.



I just finished off a face book tutorial yesterday and posted it along
with
a audio tutorial, so had a play with power point.



I think with some people they really need to get there head around
ribbons
first and how to navigate them first then have a go at the program.

Otherwise they will get flicked all over the place if not done correctly.





Gene nz

On 10/07/2016 11:26 AM, Cearbhall O'Meadhra wrote:

Gene,



I am using the desktop PC at the moment. That's a good point about the
laptop. I'll get that under way as well.



PowerPoint seems to change radically over the years and keystrokes seem
to
differ for older versions than those which I am using now.



I would be delighted to have the final set of instructions put up on the
web but let's prove them to be accurate first. I am doing this work
because
I have found the existing pointers (few as they are!) to be incorrect and
misleading. Perhaps this is because they relate to older versions.



The keystrokes I have listed here work in both JAWS 17 and NVDA for
office
2010 and are the recommended ones for Office 2016 so that is hopeful!

If members of the list could try out the keystrokes and prove them
correct
or faulty in their own PC or laptop that would be a great help.



All the best,



Cearbhall



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<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Gene
New Zealand
Sent: Saturday, July 9, 2016 10:21 PM
To: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] FW: Notes on NVDA and PowerPoint



Hi Cearbhall



The closest I have got is all the shortcuts for powerpoint that can be
used.
I think they are for powerpoint 2010 and 2013.



The commands you gave can they be used the same on a desktop pc? as well
or
are these laptop ones.



I played around with powerpoint a while ago when it was first supported
but
that is as far as i went.



Would you mind if these directions are also put up on a website on how to
use powerpoint?



Gene nz





On 10/07/2016 6:36 AM, Cearbhall O'Meadhra wrote:

Hi,



I have been working all day on this topic and have put together the
following notes about using PowerPoint with NVDA. Please let me know what
you think of these notes. Have you any improvements to suggest?



I have used PowerPoint 2010 on Windows 10 using NVDA 2016.2 on my Desktop
Pc.



Notes on the use of PowerPoint with NVDA



1. File opens in slide view

2. Page Down moves from slide to slide showing the title pane



For the first slide:

3. Press tab to move to the title placeholder. NVDA reads the title of
the
slide;

4. Press tab again to move to the subtitle placeholder. NVDA reads the
subtitle;

5. Press tab again to move to the embedded graphic. NVDA says "Graphic"
if
no alt text;

6. Press tab again to move to rectangle shape.

7. Press tab again to return to the title placeholder at the top of the
slide



Press page down For the second slide:

8. Press tab to move to the title placeholder

9. Press tab to go to the text placeholder. NVDA reads all the text in
the
placeholder

10. Press numpad 9 and numbpad 7 to read the text in the placeholder line
by
line

11. Press tab to move to the graphic image. NVDA reports the location of
the
graphic in the computer when the alt text has not been filled in.



Press page down for the third slide

12. Press tab for the Title placeholder

13. Press tab for the object placeholder. NVDA reads all the text as in
the
text placeholder at 9 above





Press pagedown for slide 4;

Same as slide 3.



Press page down for slide 5

15. Press tab for footer placeholder. NVDA reads all text in the footer;

16. Press tab for slide number placeholder. NVDA reads out the number of
the
slide;

17. Press tab for title placeholder

18. Press tab for text placeholder.

19. Press tab to return to the footer placeholder.



control+home jumps to the first slide

control+end jumps to the last slide.



The Slide Show



Press F5 to start the slide show

NVDA reads the whole slide from top to bottom including the title and
leaves
the cursor at the bottom of the slide.

1. Press page down and page up to move from slide to slide. Note that it
may
be necessary to wait for a few seconds between key presses to allow the
slide show to catch up;

2. Press numpad 9 and numpad 7 to read the contents of the slide line by
line.

3. Press return or space bar to move to the next slide. Sometimes nothing
happens and then do the instruction at 4 below.

4. Type the number of a slide followed by return to jump to that slide.

5. Press control-shift-s to switch back and forth between the slide and
its
accompanying notes.

6. Use F6 to move between the status bar pane, slide view pane,
thumbnails
pane and notes pane. Use the arrow keys to move through the options
available in each of these panes. Use F6 to move to the chosen view to
see
the results.

7. Use the escape key to exit the slide show.

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Hi again,



I am using PowerPoint 2010 with NVDA 2016.2 and Windows 10 on a desktop
PC.



All advice welcome, thanks!



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Subject: [nvda] NVDA and PowerPoint



Hi,



I have taken on a new project in which I have to be able to read several
PowerPoint presentations. Are there any guides for using PowerPoint with
NVDA? Can anyone give me any pointers from their own experience?





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Re: the new nod32 9.0?

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I still find it intensely insulting that we are seen as an afterthought. If you are developing software you surely want it to be fixed when its launched not have to fiddle about downdating it until some clueless programmerhas fixed it. Shades of Microsoft attitude.
It surely is not rocket science if they already have a version which has the fixes in it to impliment any new version using the knowledge gained, is it?
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Yes, your experience is correct. If you check the ESET site, they
clearly say not to use version 9 if you are using a screen reader but to
stick with Version 8 for now.

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On 7/18/2016 4:43 PM, erik burggraaf wrote:
Hi, I was recently asked to look at the new nod32 version 9 to see
whether it would be safe to upgrade. The install was a nightmare! I
powered through it, but the tap key could not focus any onscreen
elements during the install and there were no alt key nemonics. F5
properly brought up the advanced settings window but nothing in either
the main or advanced windows could get focus with the tab, and NVDA
reported unknown repeatedly when new windows open and close. Is this
the general experience of nvda with Nod32 9, or is there something in
my setup that might be causing it?

They make a big splash about working with jaws if you look at the
downloads page, but jaws is a dying art and the sooner the better in
my view. In any case, most features should be pretty accessible if
they designed it properly no matter which screen reader is in use and
so I was a bit dismayed to see what's happening. I'm running windows
seven still in case that makes a difference.

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Re: and firefox

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Alt a seems to work.
Brian

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Subject: Re: [nvda] and firefox


Hi Brian:
Alt-n will not work in Firefox, because it is an Internet Explorer command.
The way I usually get to that message in Firefox is to press the f6 key twice.
Kevin Huber

On 6/22/16, Brian Vogel <@britechguy> wrote:
Chris,

This is a SWAG based on my experience with JAWS and IE, but
when a notification bar such as the one you mention pops up in IE the
command ALT+N throws focus to it. Give that a try and see if it works in
Firefox. Either way, please report back on your finding.
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Re: Google drive sign in

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Yes the problem was that the current app did not put focus on the log in net page correctly and usually you needed to use a sighted person to get the mouse pointer on the right bit of the page. I have no idea why the navigation modes could not do it but the version I've been sent for the next release seems to have fixed it again so just wait till it appears.
This is where the stub download approach fails us, as it always goes for the current exe file and if that is buggy you can never get it to work. I'd think a better way of doing things was how dropbox do it, offer a stand alone installer and a stub one.
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Hi Brian:

Have you got a gmail account? If so, all you need to do is to sign
into your gmail account, then there is a link to Drive on that page.
Your gmail account and password will get you into all the gmail apps,
such as google drive, google docs, goggle sheets, etc.


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Ok I give up. I have successfully installed and signed in two copies of
google drive on xp machines but my attempt to do the same on windows 7 oor
10 has met with failure. Each time after pressing next I get a windo called

wx which invites me to sign in. However there seem to be no buttons or
fields on this window, just the title and an invitation to sign in ven with

various navigation modes invoked.

Is this nnvda or Google drive. if the same version of nvda works fine in xp,

why not in the later operating systems. If you go on line and sign in to
google their frame for docs etc works fine so what is wrong in Drive?
I'd really like tis to work, but at the moment it seems to only work on XP

since I cannot log into it on 7 and 10.
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Re: FW: Notes on NVDA and PowerPoint

Christo de Klerk
 

Hello guys

I want to say that I already find the notes extremely helpful. I think it would be excellent if both the creation and the use were together in the same document so that one has everything together for easy reference.

Thank you for giving so much of your time and skills to help others. I for one really appreciate it. Through the notes you have provided so far, I have already learnt so much about PowerPoint.

Kind regards

Christo

On 2016/07/18 9:42 PM, Cearbhall O'Meadhra wrote:
Gene,


I think this is excellent. We could use this to instruct those who wish to
develop a slide show. My own approach was for a receiver or student who is
presented with a slide show and need to read it completely with confidence
that they are missing nothing. Thus these two should fit comfortably beside
each other. Would you agree?


If we can agree the overall approach, we can work together to refine the
instructions for each concept.


The third module needed is that of configuring PowerPoint to run the slide
show on an external monitor while showing the presenter the notes on a
laptop or desktop privately.


I have just changed over to Office 2016 today so I will be able to check
whether our recommended keystrokes will work with PowerPoint 2016.


iAll the best,


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Subject: Re: [nvda] FW: Notes on NVDA and PowerPoint


Hi Cearbhall

Here is what I have typed up so far below... It might take you a little
while to navigate your way through it all. I also have a list of shortcuts
for PowerPoint 2010 and 2013 which just need to be zipped and linked to my
dropbox account and inserted into the webpage when it is posted to the
website.

Regards,

Gene NZ

How to create a PowerPoint presentation with NVDA

When you open up PowerPoint it will automatically go to the first slide.
This will open in slide view and this will be spoken out by NVDA. In the
first slide, if you tab, you will hear the following: Subtitle placeholder
and Centre Title placeholder.

If you press the Enter key on either of these options, an editable box will
come up. Here, type in your text. When finished, press the Escape key, then
tab to the next item and repeat the process (as in the first option given).
Make sure after you have typed in your text to press the Escape key. Next,
if you use the Tab key you will hear what is written in each section. You
may also wish to add other items such as links, pictures or sounds etcetera
to your presentation.


Adding extra slides

When you have finished creating your first slide, in most cases you will
want to add extra slides to the presentation. To add another slide as you go
use the New Slide (Ctrl + M) shortcut. When a new slide is added you will
hear NVDA say slide 2 slide view.

This time when you use the Tab key you will hear NVDA say Title placeholder
and Object placeholder. Repeat the steps as were done in slide one.

You will notice as you add extra slides NVDA will say the number of the
slide.

To go between slides you have created

As you create your presentation the more slides you add you will hear the
number of the slides go from number one to the number where you have
finished your last slide (for example slide 20).

You can use the page up key to take you back through your presentation until
you arrive back at slide one. If you use the page down key, you can go
forwards through the presentation back to your last slide (for example slide
20). You might hear NVDA also say slide show complete.

To get quickly to the start of your PowerPoint presentation or to the end of
it

To quickly get back to your first slide you can use the Home key. This will
take you to the very first slide you created and you should hear the
contents of the slide read out.

To quickly get to the very last slide of your presentation you can use the
End key. You should hear the name of the very last slide read out and its
contents.


Using the F6 key to go between Windows

If you go back to your very first slide, then start pushing the F6 key, you
will hear NVDA say the following: slide one slide view. Press the F6 key
again and you will hear NVDA say status bar, ribbon tab home. Press the F6
key again and you will hear NVDA say slide one notes page multiline. Press
the F6 key again and you will hear NVDA say thumbnail one of however many
slides you have created. Press the F6 key again and you will be back to
where you started.

Adding notes to your slides

If you would like to add a note to your presentation (on the slide that you
are on), when you hear NVDA say slide notes page - type your note in here.

When you hear NVDA say thumb nails number one of whatever is your last
slide, you can use your down and up arrow keys to go between each slide.

Watching the PowerPoint presentation you have created

To start your slide show, press the F5 key. This will start your PowerPoint
presentation at the beginning of the PowerPoint you have created.

You can then either use the Enter key or the Spacebar to go to the next
slide (from start to finish) of your PowerPoint. NVDA will read the slides
from top to bottom. You will hear when your slide show is finished with NVDA
saying PowerPoint complete at the end of the slide show.

The PowerPoint presentation can also be automated, so it changes slides at
set intervals between slides. You may have to play around with the timing so
the slide is not quicker than NVDA reading out the slide. To have a set
interval between each slide that is the same use Alt + the letter K, then
the letter I. When you hear the following read out this is the time between
each slide 00:00.00. You can use the up and down arrow keys to adjust the
time between each slide. These will all be set to the same length of time
you specified (for example 10 seconds) before it goes to the next slide.

Inserting a picture into your PowerPoint presentation

Whenever you insert pictures, graphs, etcetera into your PowerPoint
presentation, please also add Alt text to the graphics in the slide at the
same time. This way, when the screen reader comes to the picture, it will
read out the Alt text in the graphic. This helps a blind or visually
impaired student know what that picture/graphic is about. Alt text refers to
alternate text.


To insert a picture into your slide show (on the current slide), press the
Alt key + the letter N. Next, press the letter P, then the Enter key. A
dialogue box will come up. You can tab and shift tab around it to locate
your photo. In this area it will ask you what type of photo you want to
insert (as in the format of the photo) and give you the option to find it on
your computer or portable media. When you have located your picture, press
the Enter key on it and that picture will be inserted into the slide show.

Next, use the application key and you will be given a selection of menus to
arrow through. Arrow to the format picture menu, then press the Enter key.
When the next screen comes up, you will be given quite a few options and
might hear NVDA say Picture Corrections List. You will need to locate the
Alt text menu. This might be a matter of arrowing right or left to get to
the tab. You can also tab through the different sections there under the
different menus.

Under the Alt text section, when you first tab, it will give you the option
to give the picture a title. Enter in whatever you want to in this section
(for example Dog playing in the snow). The next time you tab, it will let
you put in a description about the photo (for example our house all covered
in snow with the dog playing in the snow and children chucking snow balls at
each other). Next, tab down to the close button then press the Enter key.
Now, the Alt text is inserted into the photo you put into the PowerPoint
presentation.

You will hear content placeholder when the alternative text in the picture
is read out.

Switching between the slide and its accompanying notes

If you would like to switch between the slide and any accompanying notes (if
any) you can use the following shortcut. Press Control + Shift + S to switch
back and forth between the slide and its accompanying notes.

You must be watching your slide show to do this on each slide.


Adding notes to your presentation

When you are putting together your slide show presentation, there are a
couple of ways you can get to the notes section. One is to use the F6 key
until you hear NVDA say notes page. Here, enter in your notes, then use the
F6 key to cycle you back to slide view.

The second way is to use a shortcut. The shortcut key to get to this section
quickly is Alt + R, then C. Now, type in your comment, and make sure the
comment lines up with the slide.

Editing or reviewing each slide

When you are in slide view you can arrow down and up this section to each
slide you have created. Locate the slide you want to edit then tab once
until you hear NVDA say Centre Title placeholder. Next press the Enter key
then an editable dialogue box will come up with whatever you had written in
this section before. Make your changes, and press the Escape key. Now it
will be updated with the new information you have edited or replaced.

Tab once more until you hear NVDA say Subtitle placeholder, then press the
Enter key. Make your changes then press the Escape key and the new
information will be updated.


Inserting a hyperlink into your Power Point presentation

From time to time you might want to put a hyperlink into your PowerPoint
presentation (that might point to a resource on the internet).

To add a hyperlink into your presentation, work out where in the text you
would like the hyperlink to be. For example, to visit the NVAccess website
please go to and put your hyper link in here.

When you have found the right spot for the hyperlink to go on your slide,
press the application key on your keyboard. When a context menu comes up,
arrow until you hear NVDA say the menu that says hyperlink, then press the
Enter key. It will ask you to put in the hyperlink address for example
<http://www.nvaccess.org> http://www.nvaccess.org Once done, tab to the ok
button. Then press the Enter key. Now, your hyperlink will be in the slide
where you put it.

The shortcut key to insert a hyperlink is Alt + N, then I. This will give
you a whole heap of extra options such as (under the Hyperlink section)...
Create a link to a Web page, a picture, an e-mail address, or a program.

It is a matter of tabbing through the sections given and adding the parts
that you would like to put into your Power Point presentation.


Inserting a table into your slide

To insert a table into your slide, locate where you want it in your slide to
be shown.

Next, press the Alt key + the letter N, then the letter T for table and
press the Enter key. This is the shortcut key to insert a table into your
slide.

You will now be given some options which you can tab through. There are
plenty of options to choose from (going from 1x1 Table onwards). You can
also use the Shift/Tab key to go back through the options given. If any of
the other options suit you, press the Enter key on it.

Find the size of the table you want to put into the slide show then press
the Enter key. Your table will now be inserted into your slide.

Turning on the reporting of tables when editing a table

Make sure you have the report tables check box checked under the document
formatting section in NVDA; otherwise, you will have no idea of where you
are in the table. To do this, use the NVDA key + the Ctrl key + the letter D
to quickly get to the document formatting dialogue section within NVDA.

Putting in a customized sized table

There may be times when you want to put in a certain sized table (for
example a 3 column by 2 row table).

To do a customized sized table (when you first go into the screen where it
gives you a whole lot of options), you will hear NVDA say 1 times 1 table.
Shift/tab a couple of times until you hear NVDA say insert table, then press
the Enter key. Here you will be able to enter a custom number for your
column and a custom number for your rows. Next, tab down to the ok button
then press the Enter key, and your new table will be inserted into the
PowerPoint slide.

If for any reason you are unsure where NVDA is focused, you can use the NVDA
key + the Tab key so NVDA speaks the focused position.

Entering information into your table

You can now tab through the table you have inserted and enter your
information into it.

The applications key can be used while in the table to give you other
options. These include options such as: insert rows both above and below or
insert columns both to the left or right; delete rows and delete columns;
merge cells; split cells and select table.

After you have finished inserting information into your table, press the
Escape key. You will need to go back to slide view and then play your
PowerPoint presentation. You will now hear stuff read out to you from your
table. Make sure you note (when entering information into your table) where
each tab will take you.


Creating accessible PowerPoint presentations - Office Support

If you would like to know more about how to create an accessible PowerPoint
presentation, you may find the following link from Microsoft useful
<https://support.office.com/en-us/article/Creating-accessible-PowerPoint-pre
sentations-6f7772b2-2f33-4bd2-8ca7-dae3b2b3ef25>
https://support.office.com/en-us/article/Creating-accessible-PowerPoint-pres
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On 17/07/2016 9:59 PM, Cearbhall O'Meadhra wrote:

Gene,


I am delighted to hear that you are working on this too!


Can I see the notes you have put together so far?

I am wondering how far to go? My own notes are a guide to reading the
contents of a Powerpoint presentation with the confidence that I am reading
everything and missing nothing. I see from other tutorials on PowerPoint
that some people would like to embellish the presentation and others ask how
to build a presentation from scratch and then deal with the problem of
running the slide show so that only the presenter sees the notes and not
the audience.


I think we could see what we each have and then opt for modules that we can
complete for now. We could then consider what else needs to be written or
what other tutorials could be pointed to so that people can develop their
own skills.



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New Zealand
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2016 10:04 PM
To: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] FW: Notes on NVDA and PowerPoint


Hi Cearbhall


If you are interested I have a basic tutorial on how to use PowerPoint 2010
it is not on my web site yet, but also has a list of the short cuts for it
as well. It is enough to make up a PowerPoint add extra slides play it etc.
it has not been tidied up yet but more can be added to it.


I got bored and started putting it together after reading the material in
the email of yours. I would also like to have a look at yours when your
power point tutorial is done.


I just finished off a face book tutorial yesterday and posted it along with
a audio tutorial, so had a play with power point.


I think with some people they really need to get there head around ribbons
first and how to navigate them first then have a go at the program.

Otherwise they will get flicked all over the place if not done correctly.



Gene nz

On 10/07/2016 11:26 AM, Cearbhall O'Meadhra wrote:

Gene,


I am using the desktop PC at the moment. That's a good point about the
laptop. I'll get that under way as well.


PowerPoint seems to change radically over the years and keystrokes seem to
differ for older versions than those which I am using now.


I would be delighted to have the final set of instructions put up on the
web but let's prove them to be accurate first. I am doing this work because
I have found the existing pointers (few as they are!) to be incorrect and
misleading. Perhaps this is because they relate to older versions.


The keystrokes I have listed here work in both JAWS 17 and NVDA for office
2010 and are the recommended ones for Office 2016 so that is hopeful!

If members of the list could try out the keystrokes and prove them correct
or faulty in their own PC or laptop that would be a great help.


All the best,


Cearbhall


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Sent: Saturday, July 9, 2016 10:21 PM
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Subject: Re: [nvda] FW: Notes on NVDA and PowerPoint


Hi Cearbhall


The closest I have got is all the shortcuts for powerpoint that can be used.
I think they are for powerpoint 2010 and 2013.


The commands you gave can they be used the same on a desktop pc? as well or
are these laptop ones.


I played around with powerpoint a while ago when it was first supported but
that is as far as i went.


Would you mind if these directions are also put up on a website on how to
use powerpoint?


Gene nz



On 10/07/2016 6:36 AM, Cearbhall O'Meadhra wrote:

Hi,


I have been working all day on this topic and have put together the
following notes about using PowerPoint with NVDA. Please let me know what
you think of these notes. Have you any improvements to suggest?


I have used PowerPoint 2010 on Windows 10 using NVDA 2016.2 on my Desktop
Pc.


Notes on the use of PowerPoint with NVDA


1. File opens in slide view

2. Page Down moves from slide to slide showing the title pane


For the first slide:

3. Press tab to move to the title placeholder. NVDA reads the title of the
slide;

4. Press tab again to move to the subtitle placeholder. NVDA reads the
subtitle;

5. Press tab again to move to the embedded graphic. NVDA says "Graphic" if
no alt text;

6. Press tab again to move to rectangle shape.

7. Press tab again to return to the title placeholder at the top of the
slide


Press page down For the second slide:

8. Press tab to move to the title placeholder

9. Press tab to go to the text placeholder. NVDA reads all the text in the
placeholder

10. Press numpad 9 and numbpad 7 to read the text in the placeholder line by
line

11. Press tab to move to the graphic image. NVDA reports the location of the
graphic in the computer when the alt text has not been filled in.


Press page down for the third slide

12. Press tab for the Title placeholder

13. Press tab for the object placeholder. NVDA reads all the text as in the
text placeholder at 9 above



Press pagedown for slide 4;

Same as slide 3.


Press page down for slide 5

15. Press tab for footer placeholder. NVDA reads all text in the footer;

16. Press tab for slide number placeholder. NVDA reads out the number of the
slide;

17. Press tab for title placeholder

18. Press tab for text placeholder.

19. Press tab to return to the footer placeholder.


control+home jumps to the first slide

control+end jumps to the last slide.


The Slide Show


Press F5 to start the slide show

NVDA reads the whole slide from top to bottom including the title and leaves
the cursor at the bottom of the slide.

1. Press page down and page up to move from slide to slide. Note that it may
be necessary to wait for a few seconds between key presses to allow the
slide show to catch up;

2. Press numpad 9 and numpad 7 to read the contents of the slide line by
line.

3. Press return or space bar to move to the next slide. Sometimes nothing
happens and then do the instruction at 4 below.

4. Type the number of a slide followed by return to jump to that slide.

5. Press control-shift-s to switch back and forth between the slide and its
accompanying notes.

6. Use F6 to move between the status bar pane, slide view pane, thumbnails
pane and notes pane. Use the arrow keys to move through the options
available in each of these panes. Use F6 to move to the chosen view to see
the results.

7. Use the escape key to exit the slide show.

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Hi again,


I am using PowerPoint 2010 with NVDA 2016.2 and Windows 10 on a desktop PC.


All advice welcome, thanks!


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Hi,


I have taken on a new project in which I have to be able to read several
PowerPoint presentations. Are there any guides for using PowerPoint with
NVDA? Can anyone give me any pointers from their own experience?



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Re: FW: Notes on NVDA and PowerPoint

Kenny Dog <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi


I think what you are saying your lap top etc needs the following.

I copied it from the menu


Use Presenter View Show the full-screen slide show using Presenter View.

This view allows you to project the full-screen slide show to one monitor while viewing a special "speaker view" on another monitor that includes timings and speaker notes.

This feature requires multiple monitors or a laptop with dual-display capabilities.


The shortcut key if i heard it right is ALT + S then V.


I would have to see what to do to do it, I do not think my lap top has a copy of office 2010 on it to try it out. If i remember right you had to change some settings on the lap top, but it was more like a key press toggle then it took you back to the main lap top screen.


What was emailed any how will get uploaded tonight to the nvda tutorials for other programs page found at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/nvda%20tutorials%20for%20other%20programs.html

.



it can always be added to i just was not sure what some of the basics were or how much to put in.
The shortcuts will also go up there tonight and will link to a drop box account.

Wounds good what you said we are here to help each other.

Gene nz


On 19/07/2016 7:42 AM, Cearbhall O'Meadhra wrote:

Gene,

 

I think this is excellent. We could use this to instruct those who wish to develop a slide show. My own approach was for a receiver or student who is presented with a slide show and need to read it completely with confidence that they are missing nothing. Thus these two should fit comfortably beside each other. Would you agree?

 

If we can agree the overall approach, we can work together to refine the instructions for each concept.

 

The third module needed is that of configuring PowerPoint to run the slide show on an external monitor while showing the presenter the notes on a laptop or desktop  privately.

 

I have just changed over to Office 2016 today so I will be able to check whether our recommended keystrokes will work with PowerPoint 2016.

 

iAll the best,

 

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Sent: Monday, July 18, 2016 12:33 PM
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Subject: Re: [nvda] FW: Notes on NVDA and PowerPoint

 

Hi Cearbhall

Here is what I have typed up so far below... It might take you a little while to navigate your way through it all. I also have a list of shortcuts for PowerPoint 2010 and 2013 which just need to be zipped and linked to my dropbox account and inserted into the webpage when it is posted to the website.

Regards,

Gene NZ

How to create a PowerPoint presentation with NVDA

When you open up PowerPoint it will automatically go to the first slide. This will open in slide view and this will be spoken out by NVDA. In the first slide, if you tab, you will hear the following: Subtitle placeholder and Centre Title placeholder.

If you press the Enter key on either of these options, an editable box will come up. Here, type in your text. When finished, press the Escape key, then tab to the next item and repeat the process (as in the first option given). Make sure after you have typed in your text to press the Escape key. Next, if you use the Tab key you will hear what is written in each section. You may also wish to add other items such as links, pictures or sounds etcetera to your presentation.

 

Adding extra slides

When you have finished creating your first slide, in most cases you will want to add extra slides to the presentation. To add another slide as you go use the New Slide (Ctrl + M) shortcut. When a new slide is added you will hear NVDA say slide 2 slide view.

This time when you use the Tab key you will hear NVDA say Title placeholder and Object placeholder. Repeat the steps as were done in slide one.

You will notice as you add extra slides NVDA will say the number of the slide.

To go between slides you have created

As you create your presentation the more slides you add you will hear the number of the slides go from number one to the number where you have finished your last slide (for example slide 20).

You can use the page up key to take you back through your presentation until you arrive back at slide one. If you use the page down key, you can go forwards through the presentation back to your last slide (for example slide 20). You might hear NVDA also say slide show complete.

To get quickly to the start of your PowerPoint presentation or to the end of it

To quickly get back to your first slide you can use the Home key. This will take you to the very first slide you created and you should hear the contents of the slide read out. 

To quickly get to the very last slide of your presentation you can use the End key. You should hear the name of the very last slide read out and its contents.

 

Using the F6 key to go between Windows

If you go back to your very first slide, then start pushing the F6 key, you will hear NVDA say the following: slide one slide view. Press the F6 key again and you will hear NVDA say status bar, ribbon tab home. Press the F6 key again and you will hear NVDA say slide one notes page multiline. Press the F6 key again and you will hear NVDA say thumbnail one of however many slides you have created. Press the F6 key again and you will be back to where you started.

Adding notes to your slides

If you would like to add a note to your presentation (on the slide that you are on), when you hear NVDA say slide notes page - type your note in here.

When you hear NVDA say thumb nails number one of whatever is your last slide, you can use your down and up arrow keys to go between each slide.

Watching the PowerPoint presentation you have created

To start your slide show, press the F5 key. This will start your PowerPoint presentation at the beginning of the PowerPoint you have created.

You can then either use the Enter key or the Spacebar to go to the next slide (from start to finish) of your PowerPoint. NVDA will read the slides from top to bottom. You will hear when your slide show is finished with NVDA saying PowerPoint complete at the end of the slide show.

The PowerPoint presentation can also be automated, so it changes slides at set intervals between slides. You may have to play around with the timing so the slide is not quicker than NVDA reading out the slide. To have a set interval between each slide that is the same use Alt + the letter K, then the letter I. When you hear the following read out this is the time between each slide 00:00.00. You can use the up and down arrow keys to adjust the time between each slide.  These will all be set to the same length of time you specified (for example 10 seconds) before it goes to the next slide.

Inserting a picture into your PowerPoint presentation

Whenever you insert pictures, graphs, etcetera into your PowerPoint presentation, please also add Alt text to the graphics in the slide at the same time. This way, when the screen reader comes to the picture, it will read out the Alt text in the graphic. This helps a blind or visually impaired student know what that picture/graphic is about. Alt text refers to alternate text.

 

To insert a picture into your slide show (on the current slide), press the Alt key + the letter N. Next, press the letter P, then the Enter key. A dialogue box will come up. You can tab and shift tab around it to locate your photo. In this area it will ask you what type of photo you want to insert (as in the format of the photo) and give you the option to find it on your computer or portable media. When you have located your picture, press the Enter key on it and that picture will be inserted into the slide show.

Next, use the application key and you will be given a selection of menus to arrow through. Arrow to the format picture menu, then press the Enter key. When the next screen comes up, you will be given quite a few options and might hear NVDA say Picture Corrections List. You will need to locate the Alt text menu. This might be a matter of arrowing right or left to get to the tab. You can also tab through the different sections there under the different menus.

Under the Alt text section, when you first tab, it will give you the option to give the picture a title. Enter in whatever you want to in this section (for example Dog playing in the snow).  The next time you tab, it will let you put in a description about the photo (for example our house all covered in snow with the dog playing in the snow and children chucking snow balls at each other). Next, tab down to the close button then press the Enter key. Now, the Alt text is inserted into the photo you put into the PowerPoint presentation.

You will hear content placeholder when the alternative text in the picture is read out.

Switching between the slide and its accompanying notes

If you would like to switch between the slide and any accompanying notes (if any) you can use the following shortcut. Press Control + Shift + S to switch back and forth between the slide and its accompanying notes.

You must be watching your slide show to do this on each slide.

 

Adding notes to your presentation

When you are putting together your slide show presentation, there are a couple of ways you can get to the notes section. One is to use the F6 key until you hear NVDA say notes page. Here, enter in your notes, then use the F6 key to cycle you back to slide view.

The second way is to use a shortcut. The shortcut key to get to this section quickly is Alt + R, then C.  Now, type in your comment, and make sure the comment lines up with the slide.

Editing or reviewing each slide

When you are in slide view you can arrow down and up this section to each slide you have created. Locate the slide you want to edit then tab once until you hear NVDA say Centre Title placeholder. Next press the Enter key then an editable dialogue box will come up with whatever you had written in this section before. Make your changes, and press the Escape key. Now it will be updated with the new information you have edited or replaced.

Tab once more until you hear NVDA say Subtitle placeholder, then press the Enter key. Make your changes then press the Escape key and the new information will be updated.

 

Inserting a hyperlink into your Power Point presentation

From time to time you might want to put a hyperlink into your PowerPoint presentation (that might point to a resource on the internet).

To add a hyperlink into your presentation, work out where in the text you would like the hyperlink to be. For example, to visit the NVAccess website please go to and put your hyper link in here.

When you have found the right spot for the hyperlink to go on your slide, press the application key on your keyboard. When a context menu comes up, arrow until you hear NVDA say the menu that says hyperlink, then press the Enter key. It will ask you to put in the hyperlink address for example http://www.nvaccess.org Once done, tab to the ok button. Then press the Enter key. Now, your hyperlink will be in the slide where you put it.

The shortcut key to insert a hyperlink is Alt + N, then I. This will give you a whole heap of extra options such as (under the Hyperlink section)... Create a link to a Web page, a picture, an e-mail address, or a program.

It is a matter of tabbing through the sections given and adding the parts that you would like to put into your Power Point presentation.

 

Inserting a table into your slide

To insert a table into your slide, locate where you want it in your slide to be shown.

Next, press the Alt key + the letter N, then the letter T for table and press the Enter key. This is the shortcut key to insert a table into your slide.

You will now be given some options which you can tab through. There are plenty of options to choose from (going from 1x1 Table onwards). You can also use the Shift/Tab key to go back through the options given. If any of the other options suit you, press the Enter key on it.

Find the size of the table you want to put into the slide show then press the Enter key. Your table will now be inserted into your slide.

Turning on the reporting of tables when editing a table

Make sure you have the report tables check box checked under the document formatting section in NVDA; otherwise, you will have no idea of where you are in the table. To do this, use the NVDA key + the Ctrl key + the letter D to quickly get to the document formatting dialogue section within NVDA.

Putting in a customized sized table

There may be times when you want to put in a certain sized table (for example a 3 column by 2 row table).

To do a customized sized table (when you first go into the screen where it gives you a whole lot of options), you will hear NVDA say 1 times 1 table. Shift/tab a couple of times until you hear NVDA say insert table, then press the Enter key. Here you will be able to enter a custom number for your column and a custom number for your rows. Next, tab down to the ok button then press the Enter key, and your new table will be inserted into the PowerPoint slide.

If for any reason you are unsure where NVDA is focused, you can use the NVDA key + the Tab key so NVDA speaks the focused position.

Entering information into your table

You can now tab through the table you have inserted and enter your information into it.

The applications key can be used while in the table to give you other options. These include options such as: insert rows both above and below or insert columns both to the left or right; delete rows and delete columns; merge cells; split cells and select table.

After you have finished inserting information into your table, press the Escape key. You will need to go back to slide view and then play your PowerPoint presentation. You will now hear stuff read out to you from your table. Make sure you note (when entering information into your table) where each tab will take you.

 

Creating accessible PowerPoint presentations - Office Support

If you would like to know more about how to create an accessible PowerPoint presentation, you may find the following link from Microsoft useful https://support.office.com/en-us/article/Creating-accessible-PowerPoint-presentations-6f7772b2-2f33-4bd2-8ca7-dae3b2b3ef25

 

 

On 17/07/2016 9:59 PM, Cearbhall O'Meadhra wrote:

Gene,

 

I am delighted to hear that you are working on this too!

 

Can I see the notes you have put together so far? 

I am wondering how far to go? My own notes are a guide to reading the contents of a Powerpoint presentation with the confidence that I am reading everything and missing nothing. I see from other tutorials on PowerPoint that some people would like to embellish the presentation and others ask how to build a presentation from scratch and then deal with the problem of running the slide show  so that only the presenter sees the notes and not the audience.

 

I think we could see what we each have and then opt for modules that we can complete for now. We could then consider what else needs to be written or what other tutorials could be pointed to so that people can develop their own skills.

           

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene New Zealand
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2016 10:04 PM
To:
nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] FW: Notes on NVDA and PowerPoint

 

Hi Cearbhall

 

If you are interested I have a basic tutorial on how to use PowerPoint 2010 it is not on my web site yet, but also has a list of the short cuts for it as well. It is enough to make up a PowerPoint add extra slides play it etc. it has not been tidied up yet but more can be added to it.

 

I got bored and started putting it together after reading the material in the email of yours. I would also like to have a look at yours when your power point tutorial is done.

 

I just finished off a face book tutorial yesterday and posted it along with a audio tutorial, so had a play with power point.

 

I think with some people they really need to get there head around ribbons first and how to navigate them first then have a go at the program.

Otherwise they will get flicked all over the place if not done correctly.

 

 

Gene nz

On 10/07/2016 11:26 AM, Cearbhall O'Meadhra wrote:

Gene,

 

I am using the desktop PC at the moment. That’s a good point about the laptop. I’ll get that under way as well.

 

PowerPoint seems to change radically over the years and keystrokes seem to differ for older versions than those which I am using now.  

 

I would be delighted to  have the final set of instructions put up on the web but let’s prove them to be accurate first. I am doing this work because I have found the existing pointers (few as they are!) to be incorrect and misleading. Perhaps this is because they relate to older versions.

 

The keystrokes I have listed here work in both JAWS 17 and NVDA for office 2010 and are the recommended ones for Office 2016 so that is hopeful!

If members of the list could try out the keystrokes and prove them correct or faulty in their own PC or laptop that would be a great help.

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

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Sent: Saturday, July 9, 2016 10:21 PM
To:
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Subject: Re: [nvda] FW: Notes on NVDA and PowerPoint

 

Hi Cearbhall

 

The closest I have got is all the shortcuts for powerpoint that can be used. I think they are for powerpoint 2010 and 2013.

 

The commands you gave can they be used the same on a desktop pc? as well or are these laptop ones.

 

I played around with powerpoint a while ago when it was first supported but that is as far as i went.

 

Would you mind if these directions are also put up on a website on how to use powerpoint?

 

Gene nz

 

 

On 10/07/2016 6:36 AM, Cearbhall O'Meadhra wrote:

Hi,

 

I have been working all day on this topic and have put together the following notes about using PowerPoint with NVDA. Please let me know what you think of these notes. Have you any improvements to suggest?

 

I have used PowerPoint 2010 on Windows 10 using NVDA 2016.2 on my Desktop Pc.

 

Notes on the use of PowerPoint with NVDA

 

1. File opens in slide view

2. Page Down moves from slide to slide showing the title pane

 

For the first slide:

3. Press tab to move to the title placeholder. NVDA reads the title of the slide;

4. Press tab again to move to the subtitle placeholder. NVDA reads the subtitle;

5. Press tab again to move to the embedded graphic. NVDA  says "Graphic" if no alt text;

6. Press tab again to move to rectangle shape.

7. Press tab again to return to the title placeholder at the top of the slide

 

Press page down For the second slide:

8. Press tab to move to the title placeholder

9. Press tab to go to the text placeholder. NVDA reads all the text in the placeholder

10. Press numpad 9 and numbpad 7 to read the text in the placeholder line by line

11. Press tab to move to the graphic image. NVDA reports the location of the graphic in the computer when the alt text has not been filled in.

 

Press page down for the third slide

12. Press tab for the Title placeholder

13. Press tab for the object placeholder. NVDA reads all the text as in the text placeholder at 9 above

 

 

Press pagedown for slide 4;

Same as slide 3.

 

Press page down for slide 5

15. Press tab for footer placeholder. NVDA reads all text in the footer;

16. Press tab for slide number placeholder. NVDA reads out the number of the slide;

17. Press tab for title placeholder

18. Press tab for text placeholder.

19. Press tab to return to the footer placeholder.

 

control+home jumps to the first slide

control+end jumps to the last slide.

 

The Slide Show

 

Press F5 to start the slide show

NVDA reads the whole slide from top to bottom including the title and leaves the cursor at the bottom of the slide.

1. Press page down and page up to move from slide to slide. Note that it may be necessary to wait for a few seconds between key presses to allow the slide show to catch up;

2. Press numpad 9 and numpad 7 to read the contents of the slide line by line.

3. Press return or space bar to move to the next slide. Sometimes nothing happens and then do the instruction at 4 below.

4. Type the  number  of a slide followed by return to jump to that slide.

5. Press control-shift-s to switch back and forth between the slide and its accompanying notes.

6. Use F6 to move between the status bar pane, slide view pane, thumbnails pane and notes pane. Use the arrow keys to move through the options available in each of these panes. Use F6 to move to the chosen view to see the results.

7. Use the escape key to exit the slide show.

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Hi again,

 

I am using PowerPoint 2010 with NVDA 2016.2 and Windows 10 on a desktop PC.

 

All advice welcome, thanks!

 

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Hi,

 

I have taken on a new project in which I have to be able to read several PowerPoint presentations. Are there any guides for using PowerPoint with NVDA? Can anyone give me any pointers from their own experience?

 

 

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