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Re: Virtual Viewer

DJ
 

Brian, thank you for expressing that concern. I also believe that many users would benefit greatly from this implementation. Different people come with different skill levels. Have a great day.

On Tue, Oct 1, 2019 at 7:32 PM Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
See the official download page:  https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/virtualRevision.en.html

The "Usage" section is very brief, but it's a starting point, and probably all that anyone familiar with the functionality from another screen reader needs.

I believe there is a lot of discussion going on about documentation for Add-Ons, and I am hoping that, at the very least, some sort of "Quick Start Guide" will become required.  There are a number of them that I have no idea how one does anything beyond installing them.   I don't expect a multi-chapter user guide, but something would be nice.

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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362  

The color of truth is grey.

           ~ André Gide

 

 


Re: Virtual Viewer

 

See the official download page:  https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/virtualRevision.en.html

The "Usage" section is very brief, but it's a starting point, and probably all that anyone familiar with the functionality from another screen reader needs.

I believe there is a lot of discussion going on about documentation for Add-Ons, and I am hoping that, at the very least, some sort of "Quick Start Guide" will become required.  There are a number of them that I have no idea how one does anything beyond installing them.   I don't expect a multi-chapter user guide, but something would be nice.

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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362  

The color of truth is grey.

           ~ André Gide

 

 


Re: Virtual Viewer

Kerryn Gunness <k_gunness@...>
 


how do u use the add on?
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, October 1, 2019 6:27 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Virtual Viewer

There is an NVDA Virtual Viewer. Here it is. http://addons.nvda-project.org/files/get.php?file=VR

On 10/1/2019 2:58 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Actually I'd love a virtual viewer like thing at least make it a toggl.

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website. This is also our libsyn page as well.
For stuff we sell, mac training materials and  tutorials go here.
and for hosting options go here
to subscribe to the feed click here

Our telegram channel is also a good place for an announce only in regard to podcasts, contests, etc.

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on youtube, twitch and mixer. Thanks Restream staff.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 1 Oct 2019, at 12:54, tim wrote:

I haven’t found one and hope it never comes. That was part of the problem with Jaws crashing.

On Oct 1, 2019, at 2:11 PM, kelby carlson kelbycarlson@... wrote:

Is there anything like the virtual viewer in JAWS that NVDA has? It
would be amazing to be able to easily bring up a list of footnotes in
Word.

--
Kelby Carlson


Re: Question About Copying Text

 

And that sould have been "disabused of the notion that the Copy command is NOT being hijacked . . ."

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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362  

The color of truth is grey.

           ~ André Gide

 

 


Re: Question About Copying Text

 

On Tue, Oct 1, 2019 at 06:08 PM, Luke Davis wrote:
On Fri, 27 Sep 2019, Chris Mullins wrote:

Surely these are Windows functions and nothing to do with any screen reader.  Copy the text to the clipboard then try using the “Paste Special” options in
MS Word.  I believe it’s on the Home sub-menu.
They are surely not, at least not in the context of web browsers.
I was of the same mind as Mr. Mullins until this topic came up and I was disabused of the notion that copy, in particular, is being "hijacked" by the screen reader since what it's copying from is the virtual cursor (virtual buffer), not the webpage itself.

There are tricks one can use though, with the screen reader on and using the standard web browser find, not the screen reader find, to get yourself to the first word or phrase from which you wish to begin selecting, turning off the screen reader, and using keyboard commands to select and copy the text before turning the screen reader on again.   See:  Selecting Text Using Windows Keyboard Shortcuts

These shortcuts do not work in a web browser while the screen reader is active, but they sure do when it's not.  I just experimented on an article from the New York Times using NVDA.  If I did a browser find for the text I wanted as the start of my selection block, turned off the screen reader, and used the appropriate keyboard command to select it and what is beyond it (in my case I used SHIFT+Down Arrow to get a line at a time, intentionally overshooting, then turning the screen reader on again and pasting into MS-Word the formatting of all the click-through links is maintained.  There is some danger in picking up sidebar content you may not want using this method if you're selecting a large chunk of text, so you need to check that you don't have anything extraneous.

But it is a way to get a chunk of text out of a web page with formatting preserved for pasting elsewhere that can keep that formatting, like a word processor.

I also found that the CTRL+A command works to select all from the webpage even when NVDA is on, and if you're good at hacking out all that precedes and follows a passage or passages you wish to retain in a word processor, you can paste the whole article (images and all, including sidebar content) into MS-Word and deal with it there.  Even the HTML structure is pasted into Word and shows up in the navigation pane, if you're using same, so the various headings, etc., are there.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362  

The color of truth is grey.

           ~ André Gide

 

 


Re: NVDA With RH Voice SAPI5

Luke Davis
 

On Sat, 28 Sep 2019, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:

You may need to arrow down to download button then either press the space bar or enter key to download the zip file. It only has 2 files in it one been the
main add on and the other for language there is no voices in it unless I delete the file and do a new one. I only tried out 2 of the voices in english to
see what they were like.
A tip: when sending dropbox links in the future, if you change the "dl=0" at the end to "dl=1", it will just start the download immediately, instead of making people look for the download link. May help some people.

Luke


Re: Virtual Viewer

Richard Wells
 

There is an NVDA Virtual Viewer. Here it is. http://addons.nvda-project.org/files/get.php?file=VR

On 10/1/2019 2:58 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Actually I'd love a virtual viewer like thing at least make it a toggl.

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website. This is also our libsyn page as well.
For stuff we sell, mac training materials and  tutorials go here.
and for hosting options go here
to subscribe to the feed click here

Our telegram channel is also a good place for an announce only in regard to podcasts, contests, etc.

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on youtube, twitch and mixer. Thanks Restream staff.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 1 Oct 2019, at 12:54, tim wrote:

I haven’t found one and hope it never comes. That was part of the problem with Jaws crashing.

On Oct 1, 2019, at 2:11 PM, kelby carlson kelbycarlson@... wrote:

Is there anything like the virtual viewer in JAWS that NVDA has? It
would be amazing to be able to easily bring up a list of footnotes in
Word.

--
Kelby Carlson


Re: Question About Copying Text

Luke Davis
 

On Fri, 27 Sep 2019, Chris Mullins wrote:

Surely these are Windows functions and nothing to do with any screen reader.  Copy the text to the clipboard then try using the “Paste Special” options in
MS Word.  I believe it’s on the Home sub-menu.
They are surely not, at least not in the context of web browsers.

In a web browser, the text you read with NVDA, is a special reproduction of what was actually on the page. It is called a virtual buffer.
The only time you are interacting with the webpage itself, is when you are in forms mode (focus mode). In order to copy in the way that is desired, you would need to be able to copy in focus mode. Of course, in focus mode, you can't actually hear or read what is being selected.

However, with NVDA+space, you can enter focus mode, use shift+arrow keys to highlight some text blindly, and use Control+C to copy it. Then press NVDA+space again.

At that point, you should be able to paste normally, and get formatting. However, odds are that you won't get the exact same stuff that you were reading before. Things that may have been presented on several lines, for example, may be presented as single selectable elements.

You will have to play with it, and will definitely have to carefully review anything you copy and paste in this way.

Luke


Re: Zoom with nvda

Ralf Kefferpuetz
 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of hurrikennyandopo ...
Sent: Dienstag, 1. Oktober 2019 22:54
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Zoom with nvda

 

Hi

 

I went to there you tube channel from off the website of theres and I could only find it for the zoom magnifier not the zoom conferencing software. Maybe I missed it.

 

I think I will also sign up later on today or tomorrow for a free account then do it from the side of it been hosted the basics and lay out etc when I got it worked out.

 

Also will check out training material from the zoom website etc which I have been doing.

 

I will do it more on the audio side not all the other stuff I think I will point to videos for that.

 

Would I have any takers who would like to read the tutorial after it has been typed up especially those who have done it from both sides? to make sure it is right before posting to the website of mine for others to use or follow.

If so I can contact you off list for that or the other way around.

 

Gene nz

 

Gene nz

 

 

 

On 2/10/2019 7:02 AM, Samuel Villa wrote:

Hey.

This may be off topic, but on the Freedom Scientific YouTube channel, there is an instructional video on how to use Zoom with JAWS.

Let me know if this was helpful.

--

Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related materials at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net

To find out which library networks in New Zealand have a copy of the NVDA screen reader on them and there library locations please go to http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/nz%20libraries%20with%20nvda.html
To find a NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.



Strange Problem With NVDA Remote 2.2

Dave Marthouse <dmarthouse@...>
 

I experienced a strange problem with NVDA Remote 2.2.


When I was doing an install of NVDA on a Windows10 machine NVDA installed with no problems.  When I attempted to install the remote add-on I was informed that Adobe acrobat could not open this program.  I could not install the remote even when I un-installed Acrobat.  I have installed NVDA and Remote on dozens of computers and never experienced this problem.  Does any one have the fix for this puzzler?



Dave Marthouse

dmarthouse@...


Re: Zoom with nvda

Sarah k Alawami
 

Hello. I have a podcast highlighting the good, the bad and the inaccesibal on zoom rom a mac side but you can perhaps take some of it and convert it into pc stuff. Go to my podcast site in the sig and search for the keyword, zoom.

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website. This is also our libsyn page as well.
For stuff we sell, mac training materials and  tutorials go here.
and for hosting options go here
to subscribe to the feed click here

Our telegram channel is also a good place for an announce only in regard to podcasts, contests, etc.

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on youtube, twitch and mixer. Thanks Restream staff.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 1 Oct 2019, at 13:53, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:

Hi


I went to there you tube channel from off the website of theres and I could only find it for the zoom magnifier not the zoom conferencing software. Maybe I missed it.


I think I will also sign up later on today or tomorrow for a free account then do it from the side of it been hosted the basics and lay out etc when I got it worked out.


Also will check out training material from the zoom website etc which I have been doing.


I will do it more on the audio side not all the other stuff I think I will point to videos for that.


Would I have any takers who would like to read the tutorial after it has been typed up especially those who have done it from both sides? to make sure it is right before posting to the website of mine for others to use or follow.

If so I can contact you off list for that or the other way around.


Gene nz


Gene nz




On 2/10/2019 7:02 AM, Samuel Villa wrote:

Hey.

This may be off topic, but on the Freedom Scientific YouTube channel, there is an instructional video on how to use Zoom with JAWS.

Let me know if this was helpful.

--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related materials at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net

To find out which library networks in New Zealand have a copy of the NVDA screen reader on them and there library locations please go to http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/nz%20libraries%20with%20nvda.html
To find a NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Re: Zoom with nvda

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi


I went to there you tube channel from off the website of theres and I could only find it for the zoom magnifier not the zoom conferencing software. Maybe I missed it.


I think I will also sign up later on today or tomorrow for a free account then do it from the side of it been hosted the basics and lay out etc when I got it worked out.


Also will check out training material from the zoom website etc which I have been doing.


I will do it more on the audio side not all the other stuff I think I will point to videos for that.


Would I have any takers who would like to read the tutorial after it has been typed up especially those who have done it from both sides? to make sure it is right before posting to the website of mine for others to use or follow.

If so I can contact you off list for that or the other way around.


Gene nz


Gene nz




On 2/10/2019 7:02 AM, Samuel Villa wrote:

Hey.

This may be off topic, but on the Freedom Scientific YouTube channel, there is an instructional video on how to use Zoom with JAWS.

Let me know if this was helpful.

--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related materials at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net

To find out which library networks in New Zealand have a copy of the NVDA screen reader on them and there library locations please go to http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/nz%20libraries%20with%20nvda.html
To find a NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


NVDA and hackerrank?

Sally Kiebdaj
 

Hello all,

I am not a programmer so in a poor position to judge this for myself but am curious about the compatibility of NVDA and tests put out by hackerrank.com

A job to which I  am applying has a test for non-programmers to see how quickly we pick up on rules of a fake computer language. I am trying to determine if I can actually take this test independently and am not getting a response from hackerrank customer service yet. 

Does anyone have experience with them and NVDA?

Warmly,
Sally 


Re: Virtual Viewer

 

Hi,

If I’m getting this thread correctly, the answer is yes and no: yes, it exists as a form of an add-on.
Cheers,

joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of tim
Sent: Tuesday, October 1, 2019 1:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Virtual Viewer

 

Ok, I can live with it as a toggled feature. However, running all the time makes the screen reader load up your graphic buffer to cause crashing, and that was a hidden crash bug they would not fix.

On Oct 1, 2019, at 3:58 PM, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

 

Actually I'd love a virtual viewer like thing at least make it a toggl.

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website. This is also our libsyn page as well.
For stuff we sell, mac training materials and  tutorials go here.
and for hosting options go here
to subscribe to the feed click here

Our telegram channel is also a good place for an announce only in regard to podcasts, contests, etc.

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on youtube, twitch and mixer. Thanks Restream staff.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 1 Oct 2019, at 12:54, tim wrote:

I haven’t found one and hope it never comes. That was part of the problem with Jaws crashing.

On Oct 1, 2019, at 2:11 PM, kelby carlson kelbycarlson@... wrote:

Is there anything like the virtual viewer in JAWS that NVDA has? It
would be amazing to be able to easily bring up a list of footnotes in
Word.

-- 
Kelby Carlson

 

 


Re: Virtual Viewer

tim
 

Ok, I can live with it as a toggled feature. However, running all the time makes the screen reader load up your graphic buffer to cause crashing, and that was a hidden crash bug they would not fix.

On Oct 1, 2019, at 3:58 PM, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

Actually I'd love a virtual viewer like thing at least make it a toggl.

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website. This is also our libsyn page as well.
For stuff we sell, mac training materials and  tutorials go here.
and for hosting options go here
to subscribe to the feed click here

Our telegram channel is also a good place for an announce only in regard to podcasts, contests, etc.

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on youtube, twitch and mixer. Thanks Restream staff.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 1 Oct 2019, at 12:54, tim wrote:

I haven’t found one and hope it never comes. That was part of the problem with Jaws crashing.

On Oct 1, 2019, at 2:11 PM, kelby carlson kelbycarlson@... wrote:

Is there anything like the virtual viewer in JAWS that NVDA has? It
would be amazing to be able to easily bring up a list of footnotes in
Word.

-- 
Kelby Carlson




Re: Virtual Viewer

Sarah k Alawami
 

Actually I'd love a virtual viewer like thing at least make it a toggl.

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website. This is also our libsyn page as well.
For stuff we sell, mac training materials and  tutorials go here.
and for hosting options go here
to subscribe to the feed click here

Our telegram channel is also a good place for an announce only in regard to podcasts, contests, etc.

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on youtube, twitch and mixer. Thanks Restream staff.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 1 Oct 2019, at 12:54, tim wrote:

I haven’t found one and hope it never comes. That was part of the problem with Jaws crashing.

On Oct 1, 2019, at 2:11 PM, kelby carlson kelbycarlson@... wrote:

Is there anything like the virtual viewer in JAWS that NVDA has? It
would be amazing to be able to easily bring up a list of footnotes in
Word.

--
Kelby Carlson


Re: Virtual Viewer

tim
 

I haven’t found one and hope it never comes. That was part of the problem with Jaws crashing.

On Oct 1, 2019, at 2:11 PM, kelby carlson <kelbycarlson@...> wrote:

Is there anything like the virtual viewer in JAWS that NVDA has? It
would be amazing to be able to easily bring up a list of footnotes in
Word.

--
Kelby Carlson



Re: tracking down NVDA triggers

tim
 

I have to go with John on this one.
If you have any third party virus or malware hunters. Then you can have screen notifications pop up and go . With those any screen reader acts the same way.
So I would look for notifications and maintenance software that came with the laptop. All have some type for updating drivers.

On Oct 1, 2019, at 1:33 PM, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:

Hi,
I’m thinking not – as in debugging steps didn’t take place from what I can tell.
To Giles, can you try running NVDA in debug mode, and as soon as you hear NVDA repeat an info you don’t want to hear, send a log (press NVDA+F1 to open the log and copoy and paste everything as an email) to me and Quentin so we can diagnose what’s up? I’m requesting logs in private because it may contain sensitive information. Be sure to CC info@... with the precise description of the problem when sending the log to us.
Cheers,
Joseph
 
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, October 1, 2019 10:29 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] tracking down NVDA triggers
 
On Tue, Oct 1, 2019 at 01:23 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Only after trying to figure out what’s up with NVDA should we look into SFC.
Joseph, given what was offered in the original message, I am willing to presume that NVDA debugging, including a possible uninstall/reinstall, has already taken place.  Perhaps it hasn't, but then I'd hope that might be tried as a step.

I stand by my advice, which does not include doing a completely clean reinstall unless all other methods fail.  Doing an SFC and DISM as "good housekeeping" hurts absolutely nothing, and can also serve as a diagnostic step.

There are multiple ways to come at any problem, and I am not about to allow my advice to be grossly mischaracterized.   It's a fairly simple matter to do some significant "Windows 10 Health Checks" to see if something could be wrong.  It has been my experience that when uncharacteristic behaviors such as those described are occurring it's generally not the application program that's at fault.
 
-- 
Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362  
The color of truth is grey.
           ~ André Gide

 

 



Re: Announcement: changes coming to NVDA 2019.3 compatibility announcements page based on latest community feedback

Afik Souffir <afik.souffir@...>
 

hello Joseph and all!
Joseph, thank you for this info.


-------------------------------------------

cordialement,
Afik Souffir
Israel


2019-10-01 21:05 UTC+03:00, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...>:

Hi NVDA users,



As you may know, there exists a website on community add-ons page that
lists
add-ons considered compatible with upcoming NVDA 2019.3/Python 3:

https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/nvdapy3.en.html



Over the last few days, NVDA developers and add-on authors had a discussion
regarding what is considered "compatible". Currently, add-ons with source
code compatibility are considered compatible with NVDA 2019.3/Python 3, and
some authors expressed concerns about compatibility range statements
provided by add-ons via their manifests. Specifically, while some add-ons
were source code compatible, they haven't been updated in a long time and
thus do not either come with compatibility statements or assume old NVDA
releases. The overall conclusion from our discussion is that, while source
code compatibility is a good indicator, this information isn't friendly to
users, and users would look at compatibility range specified by add-ons as
an indicator of whether add-ons are compatible with future NVDA releases.



Based on this, the following change will be made to the above website:



Any add-on that is deemed source code compatible yet do not show manifest
updates will be marked as "incompatible" for purposes of record keeping. In
other words, although an add-on may pass checks based on source code, if it
cannot be installed on latest NVDA stable releases (or for that matter, if
it fails to install on NVDA 2019.3 in any form) due to outdated
compatibility range statements in the manifest, it will be marked as
"incompatible". Exceptions include add-ons marked as "planned" or "work in
progress" - authors are planning to get add-ons ready for NVDA 2019.3 or
work is under way to support NVDA 2019.3 technologies, respectively.



This change will take effect on October 2, 2019. As a result, the following
will happen (some will have to wait for a while to be implemented):



1. The community will be asked to contact authors of add-ons that are
failing compatibility check (source code is ready but cannot be installed
on
NVDA 2019.3). I advise waiting until 2019.3 beta 1 comes out before
initiating this.
2. In the future, when add-ons are going through review process for
registration on community add-ons website, manifest information
(specifically, compatibility statements) will be checked. Details will be
announced when it is time to implement this change (hopefully before end of
this year).
3. For every add-on listed on community add-ons website, compatibility
range statement will be encouraged. This will become mandatory after
details
of compatibility check review (see above) is finalized, hopefully by
January
1, 2020.



Thank you.

Cheers,

Joseph





Re: So what will happen to my favorite add-ons in the future: September 2019 update

kelby carlson
 

Will the Eloquence synthesizer ad-ons be compatible with NVDA 2019.3?

On 9/18/19, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:
Hi NVDA users,



At least I'm back in action (slightly reduced workload, but working on NVDA
coding here and there) and some news to share with you regarding what will
happen to your favorite add-ons in the future.



First, a bit of a background for people who don't know what I'm talking
about:



This past summer (winter for some), I and other NVDA developers worked on
preparing NVDA for the future. Specifically, with the impending end of life
of Python 2 (the original language NVDA is coded in), the developers felt
it
is time to shift gears and move onto a more modern way of providing equal
access to technology: Python 3. In addition to some exciting enhancements,
it brought many changes under the hood that will make NVDA a viable option
for all of you in the long term, including some performance enhancements,
smooth internationalization, and much more.



One of the questions we received in recent weeks has been about your
favorite add-ons and the upcoming NVDA 2019.3, the first version to be
powered by Python 3. Although there were initial bumps, I'm delighted to
announce that majority of add-ons that you know and love will work with
NVDA
2019.3. Take a look at the following items:



* 63 percent of add-ons hosted on community add-ons website
(addons.nvda-project.org) are compatible with NVDA 2019.3.
* Several authors have indicated plans to introduce Python 3 support
to their add-ons soon, and others are working hard on porting their add-ons
to make them future-proof.
* Notable add-on developers, including makers of Vocalizer series and
DictationBridge, have committed to releasing Python 3 compatible versions
of
their add-ons in the future. In case of Vocalizer series, an alpha version
of old Vocalizer Direct (2.x) is being tested, and a public beta of Python
3
compatible DictationBridge is scheduled to be released shortly after NVDA
2019.3 beta 1 is released.



The add-ons community expects more add-ons to join the ranks of
future-proof
add-ons as NVDA 2019.3 release approaches. Until then.

Cheers,

Joseph




--
Kelby Carlson

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