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Re: How do I set up a keyboard short cut to start NVDA?

Damien Garwood <damien@...>
 

Hi James,
This is done through Windows. The idea is that you set up a shortcut file in the start menu or on the desktop. Then, when you access its properties, you can set up the hotkey that will activate it.
If you need help doing this, email me off list and I'll walk you through the process.
Cheers,
Damien.

On 13/10/2019 01:45 pm, James Bentley wrote:
Hi,
Can I do this inside of NVDA or do I do this in Windows?
Thank you,
James B
How do I set up a keyboard short cut to start NVDA?

James Bentley <bentleyj1952@...>
 

Hi,
 
Can I do this inside of NVDA or do I do this in Windows?
 
Thank you,
 
James B
 
 
Re: RH Voices NVDA Add-on

Kevin Cussick
 

Hi, it might you should not need the sapi5 stuff as it should just work. a bit late reading this sorry. you may hae it working now I hope so it works on all my machines.

On 27/09/2019 23:20, john s wrote:
Kevin, would it help to install any of this stuff,running as administrator?
At 05:34 PM 9/27/2019, Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io, wrote:
Ok,   well can't really help you.   how ever I had the addon throw up an error but rebooted the machine and it fixed it and now it just works. that is why I asked if you had any error installing the addon.

On 27/09/2019 21:48, Richard Wells wrote:
Add-ons installed without errors.
On 9/27/2019 3:47 PM, Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io wrote:
did addons install OK? if so then I do not know why it is not working
for you.

On 27/09/2019 21:45, Richard Wells wrote:
I have installed the English language pack and four voices, but after
restarting NVDA the RH Voices just do not show under change synthesizer.

On 9/27/2019 2:45 PM, Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi,   I don't think so.   OK you downloaded the addon,   the voices
you might want to use,   install the addon first,   do not reboot nvda
yet, Â install all voices you might use then restart nvda and you
should see the sinth under the sinth settings page select Rh Voice as
the sinth then select the voice if it doesn't show up I do not know
why. using alpha and stable as well and the addon and voices work.

On 26/09/2019 23:34, Richard Wells wrote:
I tried this using the English add-on and the three offered English
voices. They installed, but they do not show in the change synthesizer
dialog under settings/speech. Did I miss a step somewhere?


                John
Re: Are web applications that accessible?

Sean Murphy
 

If the web app you are using is independent of a browser. In other word is self-contained browser like skype, Visual Code Editor and others. Then what is available to you is very restrictive. As the screen reader is fully dependent on what is revealed by this style of app via the accessibility framework like UIA, MSAA or iaccess2. If you cannot write a plugin, then you will have very limited access to available information.

If the app is usable in any browser, then you have more flexibility and there are extension based upon Javascript that permits you to modify the web page. You require knowledge in JavaScript languages to modify the page.

A general overview how web pages regardless if they are stand-alone apps or uses any web browser work:
* the web page is loaded.
* The DOM is populated (Document Object Model).
* the accessibility tree of the browser is populated which has the required information for a assistive technology product.
* The accessibility API (framework) like UIA is populated by the browser.
* the screen reader then interrogates the accessibility API or the browser directly.
There is more complexity to what I have outlined above. But this gives a general overview how information flows.


NVDA might be able to get more information but you need to learn python, the accessibility API and possibly a bunch of other API information to get the information you want. A major learning curve for yourself. Where it would be far cost effective for your energy and time to reach out to the owner of the product to make the require changes.

Sean

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Damien Garwood
Sent: Sunday, 13 October 2019 7:16 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Are web applications that accessible?

Hi Robert,
Those are actually very interesting questions. I have theories, but that's all they are. I'm sure someone who is more expert on this topic will correct me if it turns out I'm wrong, which I'm sure I probably am.
The simple answer first. Announcements for several document elements (table headers, clickable items, links, headings etc) can be enabled or disabled through the document formatting section of the settings dialog.
Other than that, the only way to really customise what is spoken by NVDA (such as changing control type text, changing spoken order etc) is through scripting.
Now for my theories. Scripting web app enhancements with NVDA wouldn't be as simple as making an app module for several reasons.
1. NVDA has its own internal stuff that allows it to do its browse/focus mode thing. This could interfere with web apps that you might think can be scripted as app modules (those packaged as executables like Skype and so on).
2. The web browser is just a host for the app, and so I'm guessing NVDA can't get to it the same way it gets to a standard desktop control. Even apps packaged as their own executables like Skype are actually using Chrome/Chromium/whatever it's called these days.
3. Bear in mind that different browsers have different rules for rendering controls and information, and so unfortunately it wouldn't be a uniform process.
Having said that. There are several accessibility API's that NVDA has, over the years, managed to smack under one umbrella. So I'm guessing that's only a matter of time before the same can be done for web browsers, and eventually, web apps.
As for profiles. My guess is that those can be used in the normal way for web apps that come as executables, but would be difficult to set up for external websites, for similar reasons. The profile would be triggered by the browser, not the app itself.
Cheers,
Damien.

On 12/10/2019 07:21 pm, Robert Logue wrote:
1: Is it difficult for users to script NVDA for web applications?


2: Is there a standard way to customize what is spoken?


3: Does NVDA have a way to set up individual profiles for each web
application?


Thanks.


Bob


On 2019-10-07 8:51 a.m., Gene wrote:
So, how do you skip all that? I don't use GMail on the Internet
except to look at the spam filter now and then. I am not familiar
with the supplied short cuts. But any time you want to jump from
message to message, typing x in browse mode takes you to the check
box for the next message. You hear, as I recall, the subject line
and the name of the sender.
But there are ways of skipping unwanted material and the fact that
they are not well known indicates poor training or poor training
materials being widely used.
The find command is one of the most useful but under or unused
feature. What is the last consistent line before the message text,
or the synopsis, begins? Find it by looking from the check box down
on more than one message. You will see a pattern.
Do a search for that line and you can then do the following:
x to move to the next message.
Repeat search, you have already searched once by entering the search
string, then down arrow once and read to end.
After you do this enough to have it become second nature, it will be
reasonably fast and efficient.
You can't be a good Internet user in more complex areas of a web page
if you rely on what I refer to as "the kindness of strangers.", as is
famously said by a character in A Street Car Named Desire.
The number of blind people, even those who are generally good
computer users, who don't know how to do what I'm describing is clear
evidence of the inadequate and poor training received.
I don't use web applications enough to discuss the general questions
presented here, but GMail isn't a web application in the sense that
Google Docx (spelling) is. It is a layout but you aren't working
with an application embedded in the page.
And you will see lots of times when doing things such as I describe
is important for efficient navigation.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Devin Prater <mailto:r.d.t.prater@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Monday, October 07, 2019 8:44 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Are web applications that accessible?

On no, it says “Reply, reply all, forward…” all that, even if you use
the keyboard commands to move to the next or previous message.

On Oct 7, 2019, at 8:14 AM, Hope Williamson <hopeisjoyful@gmail.com
<mailto:hopeisjoyful@gmail.com>> wrote:

There's no reason to leave out normal header information. In other
words, the sender, date, time, and the fact that it's from you. If
it's like the IP you're referring to, then that's different.
Re: Are web applications that accessible?

Damien Garwood <damien@...>
 

Hi Robert,
Those are actually very interesting questions. I have theories, but that's all they are. I'm sure someone who is more expert on this topic will correct me if it turns out I'm wrong, which I'm sure I probably am.
The simple answer first. Announcements for several document elements (table headers, clickable items, links, headings etc) can be enabled or disabled through the document formatting section of the settings dialog. Other than that, the only way to really customise what is spoken by NVDA (such as changing control type text, changing spoken order etc) is through scripting.
Now for my theories. Scripting web app enhancements with NVDA wouldn't be as simple as making an app module for several reasons.
1. NVDA has its own internal stuff that allows it to do its browse/focus mode thing. This could interfere with web apps that you might think can be scripted as app modules (those packaged as executables like Skype and so on).
2. The web browser is just a host for the app, and so I'm guessing NVDA can't get to it the same way it gets to a standard desktop control. Even apps packaged as their own executables like Skype are actually using Chrome/Chromium/whatever it's called these days.
3. Bear in mind that different browsers have different rules for rendering controls and information, and so unfortunately it wouldn't be a uniform process.
Having said that. There are several accessibility API's that NVDA has, over the years, managed to smack under one umbrella. So I'm guessing that's only a matter of time before the same can be done for web browsers, and eventually, web apps.
As for profiles. My guess is that those can be used in the normal way for web apps that come as executables, but would be difficult to set up for external websites, for similar reasons. The profile would be triggered by the browser, not the app itself.
Cheers,
Damien.

On 12/10/2019 07:21 pm, Robert Logue wrote:
1: Is it difficult for users to script NVDA for web applications?
2: Is there a standard way to customize what is spoken?
3: Does NVDA have a way to set up individual profiles for each web application?
Thanks.
Bob
On 2019-10-07 8:51 a.m., Gene wrote:
So, how do you skip all that?  I don't use GMail on the Internet except to look at the spam filter now and then.  I am not familiar with the supplied short cuts.  But any time you want to jump from message to message, typing x in browse mode takes you to the check box for the next message.  You hear, as I recall, the subject line and the name of the sender.
But there are ways of skipping unwanted material and the fact that they are not well known indicates poor training or poor training materials being widely used.
The find command is one of the most useful but under or unused feature.  What is the last consistent line before the message text, or the synopsis, begins?  Find it by looking from the check box down on more than one message.  You will see a pattern.
Do a search for that line and you can then do the following:
x to move to the next message.
Repeat search, you have already searched once by entering the search string, then down arrow once and read to end.
After you do this enough to have it become second nature, it will be reasonably fast and efficient.
You can't be a good Internet user in more complex areas of a web page if you rely on what I refer to as "the kindness of strangers.", as is famously said by a character in A Street Car Named Desire.
The number of blind people, even those who are generally good computer users, who don't know how to do what I'm describing is clear evidence of the inadequate and poor training received.
I don't use web applications enough to discuss the general questions presented here, but GMail isn't a web application in the sense that Google Docx (spelling) is.  It is a layout but you aren't working with an application embedded in the page.
And you will see lots of times when doing things such as I describe is important for efficient navigation.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Devin Prater <mailto:r.d.t.prater@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Monday, October 07, 2019 8:44 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Are web applications that accessible?

On no, it says “Reply, reply all, forward…” all that, even if you use the keyboard commands to move to the next or previous message.

On Oct 7, 2019, at 8:14 AM, Hope Williamson <hopeisjoyful@gmail.com
<mailto:hopeisjoyful@gmail.com>> wrote:

There's no reason to leave out normal header information. In other
words, the sender, date, time, and the fact that it's from you. If it's like the IP you're referring to, then that's different.
Re: Are web applications that accessible?

Robert Logue
 

1: Is it difficult for users to script NVDA for web applications?


2: Is there a standard way to customize what is spoken?


3: Does NVDA have a way to set up individual profiles for each web application?


Thanks.


Bob


On 2019-10-07 8:51 a.m., Gene wrote:
So, how do you skip all that?  I don't use GMail on the Internet except to look at the spam filter now and then.  I am not familiar with the supplied short cuts.  But any time you want to jump from message to message, typing x in browse mode takes you to the check box for the next message.  You hear, as I recall, the subject line and the name of the sender. 
 
But there are ways of skipping unwanted material and the fact that they are not well known indicates poor training or poor training materials being widely used.
 
The find command is one of the most useful but under or unused feature.  What is the last consistent line before the message text, or the synopsis, begins?  Find it by looking from the check box down on more than one message.  You will see a pattern.
Do a search for that line and you can then do the following:
x to move to the next message.
Repeat search, you have already searched once by entering the search string, then down arrow once and read to end.
After you do this enough to have it become second nature, it will be reasonably fast and efficient.
 
You can't be a good Internet user in more complex areas of a web page if you rely on what I refer to as "the kindness of strangers.", as is famously said by a character in A Street Car Named Desire.
 
The number of blind people, even those who are generally good computer users, who don't know how to do what I'm describing is clear evidence of the inadequate and poor training received.
 
I don't use web applications enough to discuss the general questions presented here, but GMail isn't a web application in the sense that Google Docx (spelling) is.  It is a layout but you aren't working with an application embedded in the page.
 
And you will see lots of times when doing things such as I describe is important for efficient navigation.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, October 07, 2019 8:44 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Are web applications that accessible?

On no, it says “Reply, reply all, forward…” all that, even if you use the keyboard commands to move to the next or previous message.

> On Oct 7, 2019, at 8:14 AM, Hope Williamson <hopeisjoyful@...> wrote:
>
> There's no reason to leave out normal header information. In other words, the sender, date, time, and the fact that it's from you. If it's like the IP you're referring to, then that's different.
>
>
>



Re: NVDA keeps on crashing while switching windows

Suhas Dharwad
 

the version of NVDA is 
2019.2 
stable build.

and the windows version is:

Windows 10Ver1903 (64-bit) build 18362.387


On Sat, Oct 12, 2019 at 9:02 AM Luke Davis <luke@...> wrote:
What version of NVDA do you have? (NVDA menu, help, about)
What version of Windows do you have? (Windows+R, winver, enter)

When did this problem start? Had you done anything right before that, such as
install a windows update, or some new software, or update Chrome, or something?

I know it's an old drum inside of a dead horse that I keep beating, but have
you run the NVDA COM Registration Fixing Tool, from the NVDA Tools menu?

Luke

On Sat, 12 Oct 2019, help tech accessibility wrote:

> i have this super duper Bugg,
> which doesn't let me do anything on my pc without restarting NVDA every 10 minutes or so.
>
> for instance, if i'm using Chrome and then i switched to notepad,
> then came back to Chrome, NVDA acts so weird.
> It hardly speaks anything, and doesn't complete the commands.





--
saludos cordiales , Suhas
Lightning Mcqueen rapido como un rayo....
Re: NVDA keeps on crashing while switching windows

Luke Davis
 

What version of NVDA do you have? (NVDA menu, help, about)
What version of Windows do you have? (Windows+R, winver, enter)

When did this problem start? Had you done anything right before that, such as install a windows update, or some new software, or update Chrome, or something?

I know it's an old drum inside of a dead horse that I keep beating, but have you run the NVDA COM Registration Fixing Tool, from the NVDA Tools menu?

Luke

On Sat, 12 Oct 2019, help tech accessibility wrote:

i have this super duper Bugg,
which doesn't let me do anything on my pc without restarting NVDA every 10 minutes or so.
for instance, if i'm using Chrome and then i switched to notepad,
then came back to Chrome, NVDA acts so weird.
It hardly speaks anything, and doesn't complete the commands.
Re: Looking for pod catcher recommendations

Hermann-Josef Kurzen
 

Hi Jeff,

I'm using the Podcatcher included in the Browserpackage of Webbie. Look here:

https://www.webbie.org.uk/


Greetings - Hermann


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Betreff: [nvda] Looking for pod catcher recommendations
Verwendetes Mailprogramm: Microsoft Firmennetzwerk

I recently moved from Windows 7 to 10. Believe it or not, I have been
successfully using Juice for my podcatcher. But it doesn't work in
Windows 10 so I'm asking for recommendations of what works well with
NVDA. In Juice I liked the way I could download all new podcasts from
a sizeable subscription feed list and have them sorted into their
own folders by podcast. I know Webbie is out there but I recall it is
fairly limited in its features.

Thanks for all suggestions.
Jeff



Re: NVDA and CCleaner

Shaun Everiss
 

CCleaner interface is not accessible.

There is a way round that, use the portable version.

The settings for everything can be toggled in the ini file.

If you find something which doesn't exist, hit space once and it will appear in the ini file.

Most settings can  bee toggled from 1 to 0.

0 is unticked, 1 is ticked.

They are aware of this, but the ini file for most of it can be edited quite easily.

The installer is riddled with avast malware anyway, and the portable allows you to do everything, including disabling uac for ccleaner, and extra things.

You can even create the run and open from recycle bin.

You don't get the program group or have it start by default but you can do that to.

My only gripe is that you can not turn quick clean off in settings and in fact once a day easy clean and software updater will be toggled on so I have to edit the ini file daily and change a few lines but thats about it.



On 12/10/2019 11:25 am, Ján Kulik wrote:
Hi all,
 
 
Are you using CCleaner with NVDA? I found that when selecting an item in CCleaner, NVDA does not report check boxes. This is quite annoying, because I think it could be done so that NVDA announces check boxes in CCleaner.
It might be a good idea to contact the developer who is in charge, some users are reporting problems.
Re: NVDA and CCleaner

Brian Vogel
 

An issue of very long standing that Piriform does not seem to wish to remedy.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362  

The color of truth is grey.

           ~ André Gide

 

 
NVDA and CCleaner

Ján Kulik
 

Hi all,
 
 
Are you using CCleaner with NVDA? I found that when selecting an item in CCleaner, NVDA does not report check boxes. This is quite annoying, because I think it could be done so that NVDA announces check boxes in CCleaner.
It might be a good idea to contact the developer who is in charge, some users are reporting problems.
Re: Looking for pod catcher recommendations

Mark <mark@...>
 

Hi I use  QCast

Download https://q-continuum.net/qcast/

Mark.

TAFN the accessible friends network

https://www.tafn.org.uk

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jeff Samco
Sent: 11 October 2019 21:41
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Looking for pod catcher recommendations

 

I recently moved from Windows 7 to 10. Believe it or not, I have been successfully using Juice for my podcatcher. But it doesn't work in Windows 10 so I'm asking for recommendations of what works well with NVDA. In Juice I liked the way I could download all new podcasts from a sizeable subscription  feed list and have them sorted into their own folders by podcast. I know Webbie is out there but I recall it is fairly limited in its features.

Thanks for all suggestions.
Jeff


Virus-free. www.avast.com

Looking for pod catcher recommendations

Jeff Samco
 

I recently moved from Windows 7 to 10. Believe it or not, I have been successfully using Juice for my podcatcher. But it doesn't work in Windows 10 so I'm asking for recommendations of what works well with NVDA. In Juice I liked the way I could download all new podcasts from a sizeable subscription  feed list and have them sorted into their own folders by podcast. I know Webbie is out there but I recall it is fairly limited in its features.

Thanks for all suggestions.
Jeff

Re: Going to Top/End of Document with Braille Display

André-Abush Clause <listes@...>
 

Hi all,

Regarding gestures, I am open to your suggestions/changes.

I am aware that the documentation is a big negative point of this add-on. Unfortunately my english is not good. So I prefer to focus my efforts on features. However if anyone want to help me on this, feel free to contact me. Any contribution is welcome! :)
Thanks a lot,

André

Le 11/10/2019 à 16:28, David Csercsics a écrit :
Ok, good to know. Then you just need to download the braille extender add-on and take a look at the assigned gestures. The documentation is very poor, in terms of grammar, but all the commands are listed for your display. They don't have "top or bottom" of document, but they do have control+home and control+end which gets you there in most cases? Is the jaws commands doing something different? If you install braille extender then you can press  dots 2 3 8 and space

 for control + home and 3 5 8 + space for control + end. Not that that's at all intuitive, but that's the best I have found with NVDA.
Re: Going to Top/End of Document with Braille Display

John J. Boyer
 

How is this different from using the Windows control+top and control+end?

On Fri, Oct 11, 2019 at 09:04:32AM -0400, David Csercsics wrote:
There is but only if you have the braille extender add-on installed. If you
want to get something useful from NVDA I recommend you install the add-on.
The commands are a bit weird though. Nothing at all like VoiceOver or JAWS
so it'd take a bit to get used to. Once that add-on is installed then you
can read the documentation and see all the commands assigned. I think maybe
the braille note touch emulates a brailliant, but I'm not sure. If that's
the case I can probably help you if you have trouble.





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Email: john.boyer@abilitiessoft.org
website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org
Status: Company dissolved but website and email addresses live.
Location: Madison, Wisconsin, USA
Mission: developing assistive technology software and providing STEM services
that are available at no cost
Re: Going to Top/End of Document with Braille Display

Cordelia Scharpf
 

Do these "gestures" that you assign remain the same when new updates of BrailleExtender get released? I am new to this and have never attempted to modify commands/gestures.
Cordelia

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Vincent Le Goff
Sent: Friday, October 11, 2019 5:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [Spam] Re: [nvda] Going to Top/End of Document with Braille Display

Also, I'd like to point out that these gestures can be changed. I
usually don't run with the defaults. Installing the addon will bring
you a lot of new gestures in the input gestures dialog. I guess not all
of them can be customized (I don't know about CTRL + end) but you don't
have to run with the default. I usually prefer changing these shortcuts
as soon as BrailleExtender is installed.


HTH,


Vincent

On 10/11/2019 4:28 PM, David Csercsics wrote:
Ok, good to know. Then you just need to download the braille extender
add-on and take a look at the assigned gestures. The documentation is
very poor, in terms of grammar, but all the commands are listed for
your display. They don't have "top or bottom" of document, but they do
have control+home and control+end which gets you there in most cases?
Is the jaws commands doing something different? If you install braille
extender then you can press dots 2 3 8 and space

for control + home and 3 5 8 + space for control + end. Not that
that's at all intuitive, but that's the best I have found with NVDA.
Re: Going to Top/End of Document with Braille Display

Vincent Le Goff <vincent.legoff.srs@...>
 

Also, I'd like to point out that these gestures can be changed. I usually don't run with the defaults.  Installing the addon will bring you a lot of new gestures in the input gestures dialog.  I guess not all of them can be customized (I don't know about CTRL + end) but you don't have to run with the default.  I usually prefer changing these shortcuts as soon as BrailleExtender is installed.


HTH,


Vincent

On 10/11/2019 4:28 PM, David Csercsics wrote:
Ok, good to know. Then you just need to download the braille extender add-on and take a look at the assigned gestures. The documentation is very poor, in terms of grammar, but all the commands are listed for your display. They don't have "top or bottom" of document, but they do have control+home and control+end which gets you there in most cases? Is the jaws commands doing something different? If you install braille extender then you can press  dots 2 3 8 and space

 for control + home and 3 5 8 + space for control + end. Not that that's at all intuitive, but that's the best I have found with NVDA.
Re: Going to Top/End of Document with Braille Display

David Csercsics
 

Yes, jaws and voiceover have similar braille support, and that may be the one feature that causes me to investigate jaws subscription. But I'm not sure about a detailed comparison. It'd be nice if braille were more widely used and it got further testing. Most of the feature lists and testing are speech only, so it's hard to figure out what you're getting in some instances, since everyone does braille differently.
Re: Going to Top/End of Document with Braille Display

kelby carlson
 

As I said, typically the command would be space with dots 12-2-3 or 4-5-""6. That's the way it is with JAWS and Voiceover and on most notetakers.

On Oct 11, 2019, at 10:28 AM, David Csercsics <bleeblat@gmail.com> wrote:

Ok, good to know. Then you just need to download the braille extender add-on and take a look at the assigned gestures. The documentation is very poor, in terms of grammar, but all the commands are listed for your display. They don't have "top or bottom" of document, but they do have control+home and control+end which gets you there in most cases? Is the jaws commands doing something different? If you install braille extender then you can press dots 2 3 8 and space

for control + home and 3 5 8 + space for control + end. Not that that's at all intuitive, but that's the best I have found with NVDA.
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