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Re: editing m3u playlist with NVDA

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 

You can use notepad to edit.

 

******If we can't look at ourselves, and ask, why?  then where does the learning start?***     

 

From: Josh Kennedy
Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2019 9:13 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] editing m3u playlist with NVDA

 

Hi,

 

What is the best way to edit an m3u playlisgt with NVDA? I selected a folder full of files, saved as m3u playlist in vlc media player and most files are out of the order they should be played in.

 

Josh

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 


Re: How do I set up a keyboard short cut to start NVDA?

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 

Herman, when you go to the NVDA icon on your desktop press alt+enter and tell me  if your first two dialog boxes look like this:

 

Target

"C:\Program Files (x86)\NVDA\nvda_slave.exe" launchNVDA -r

 

 

Application location

C:\Program Files (x86)\NVDA

 

 

 

 

******If we can't look at ourselves, and ask, why?  then where does the learning start?***     

 

From: Hermann-Josef Kurzen
Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2019 9:02 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How do I set up a keyboard short cut to start NVDA?

 

Hi,

 

as we are talking about alt+control+n to start NVDA:

I'm using the latest Version of NVDA in connection with Windows 10.

The hotkey alt+control+n is active so I'm told by Windows.

But it doesn't work.

Is it recommended to run NVDA as an administrator to correct this?

 

Greetings - Hermann

 

 

 

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> The shortcut is normally defaulted at alt+control+n  You can go into general settings and set it to start with windows. I have never had to create a shortcut for it.

>

> ******If we can't look at ourselves, and ask, why?  then where does the learning start?***     

>

> From: James Bentley

> Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2019 6:45 AM

> To: NVDA

> Subject: [nvda] How do I set up a keyboard short cut to start NVDA?

>

> Hi,

>  

> Can I do this inside of NVDA or do I do this in Windows?

>  

> Thank you,

>  

> James B

>  

>  

>

>

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

 


Re: How do I set up a keyboard short cut to start NVDA?

Bianka Brankovic <bianka.brankovic@...>
 

Hello Hermann,

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] Im Auftrag von Hermann-Josef Kurzen

as we are talking about alt+control+n to start NVDA:
I'm using the latest Version of NVDA in connection with Windows 10.
The hotkey alt+control+n is active so I'm told by Windows.
But it doesn't work.
Is it recommended to run NVDA as an administrator to correct this?

I had a similar issue last week when I tried to update NVDA fromm my normal user account. In my case NVDA froze when windows asked me for my admin password and I had to ask a co-worker to help me to log in and reinstall NVDA from my administrator account.

Now, it starts again automatically at login and the shortcut works in both the admin and the user account.

My suggestion for you would be to reinstall NVDA from your admin account.

Kind regards,

Bianka Brankovic


NVDA\s touch gestures

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi guys


I am not a touch screen user with NVDA but wanted to know what gestures there were for NVDA from the user manual. I think I got them all.


I was curious as well does the add on for touch gestures for nvda have more gestures there? or let you do more with touch with NVDA.


Below is a list of what I came across in the user manual while wasting some time.

Those who use touch might help if not written down all ready.


NVDA touch gestures

*Toggle touch modes

To toggle touch modes, perform a 3-finger tap.
*Stop speech
Stop speech 2-finger tap Instantly stops speaking

*NVDA menu

NVDA menu 2-finger double tap
Pops up the NVDA menu to allow you to access preferences, tools, help, etc.

*Review modes

Switch to next review mode 2-finger flick up
switches to the next available review mode

Switch to previous review mode 2-finger flick down
switches to the previous available review mode
*Object navigation

Move to containing object flick up (object mode)Moves to the object containing the current navigator object
 
move to previous object flick left (object mode)
Moves to the object before the current navigator object

move to next object flick right (object mode)
Moves to the object after the current navigator object

Move to first contained object flick down (object mode)
Moves to the first object contained by the current navigator object

*Activate current navigator object
double tap Activates the current navigator object (similar to clicking with the mouse or pressing space when it has the system focus)

*Reviewing text
 
Move to previous line in review flick up (text mode)
Moves the review cursor to the previous line of text

Move to next line in review flick down (text mode)
Move the review cursor to the next line of text

Move to previous word in review 2-finger flick left (text mode)
Moves the review cursor to the previous word in the text

Move to next word in review 2-finger flick right (text mode)
Move the review cursor to the next word in the text

Move to previous character in review flick left (text mode)
Moves the review cursor to the previous character on the current line in the text

Move to next character in review flick right (text mode)
Move the review cursor to the next character on the current line of text

Say all with review 3-finger flick down (text mode)
Reads from the current position of the review cursor, moving it as it goes



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editing m3u playlist with NVDA

Josh Kennedy
 

Hi,

 

What is the best way to edit an m3u playlisgt with NVDA? I selected a folder full of files, saved as m3u playlist in vlc media player and most files are out of the order they should be played in.

 

Josh

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: kid3 mp3 tag editor

Jackie
 

Josh, you may find it necessary to number them like:
001
010
020
....
100

I rather suspect we'll likely be asked to take it on the chat list if
after this you're still having trouble, & I'm not subscribed. But
maybe this will help out.

On 10/13/19, Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,

I am trying to edit the tags across multiple mp3 files with this mp3 tag
editor.

https://sourceforge.net/projects/kid3/

I want to set it up so all the mp3 files play in order when I sync my iTunes
library to my iPhone/iPod touch and to do that I have to modify the tags of
each mp3. I don’t know what I’m doing wrong though because when I hit the
tag1 button and it says from filename and then I save, go to tools, number
tracks, hit ok, hit save. Then re-import into iTunes the files are still out
of order. Has anyone used the above software with NVDA? What is the best way
;to make a folder full of mp3 files play in order from first to last? I have
the files numbered 1 through 131. But this does not help.

Josh


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kid3 mp3 tag editor

Josh Kennedy
 

Hi,

 

I am trying to edit the tags across multiple mp3 files with this mp3 tag editor.

 

https://sourceforge.net/projects/kid3/

 

I want to set it up so all the mp3 files play in order when I sync my iTunes library to my iPhone/iPod touch and to do that I have to modify the tags of each mp3. I don’t know what I’m doing wrong though because when I hit the tag1 button and it says from filename and then I save, go to tools, number tracks, hit ok, hit save. Then re-import into iTunes the files are still out of order. Has anyone used the above software with NVDA? What is the best way ;to make a folder full of mp3 files play in order from first to last? I have the files numbered 1 through 131. But this does not help.

 

Josh

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


mp3 tag editors

Josh Kennedy
 

Hi,

 

I found out the kid3 mp3 tag editor is free and is pretty accessible with NVDA. Do any of you know of any other free mp3 tag editors? It is the only way I can organize a folder full of files I have so they play in order from the first episode to the last episode in iTunes. Otherwise they sinc to my iPhone all out of order.

 

Josh

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: How do I set up a keyboard short cut to start NVDA?

molly the blind tech lover
 

Hi

You  can set control plus alt plus n as the keyboard  shortcut.  I think this can be done by default when you first set up NVDA. It will ask you if you want to create a keyboard shortcut with control plus alt plus n, but you could probably assign a different keystroke.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2019 8:45 AM
To: NVDA <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] How do I set up a keyboard short cut to start NVDA?

 

Hi,

 

Can I do this inside of NVDA or do I do this in Windows?

 

Thank you,

 

James B

 

 


Re: How do I set up a keyboard short cut to start NVDA?

Hermann-Josef Kurzen
 

Hi,

as we are talking about alt+control+n to start NVDA:
I'm using the latest Version of NVDA in connection with Windows 10.
The hotkey alt+control+n is active so I'm told by Windows.
But it doesn't work.
Is it recommended to run NVDA as an administrator to correct this?


Greetings - Hermann



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The shortcut is normally defaulted at alt+control+n You can go into general settings and set it to start with windows. I have never had to create a shortcut for it.

******If we can't look at ourselves, and ask, why?  then where does the learning start?***     

From: James Bentley
Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2019 6:45 AM
To: NVDA
Subject: [nvda] How do I set up a keyboard short cut to start NVDA?

Hi,
 
Can I do this inside of NVDA or do I do this in Windows?
 
Thank you,
 
James B
 
 






Re: How do I set up a keyboard short cut to start NVDA?

Chris
 

you will have to modify the nvda shortcut properties under the general tab you will find a section for shortcut key where you can enter your desired keyboard shortcut sequence

 

 

From: James Bentley
Sent: 13 October 2019 13:45
To: NVDA
Subject: [nvda] How do I set up a keyboard short cut to start NVDA?

 

Hi,

 

Can I do this inside of NVDA or do I do this in Windows?

 

Thank you,

 

James B

 

 

 


Re: How do I set up a keyboard short cut to start NVDA?

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 

The shortcut is normally defaulted at alt+control+n  You can go into general settings and set it to start with windows. I have never had to create a shortcut for it.

 

******If we can't look at ourselves, and ask, why?  then where does the learning start?***     

 

From: James Bentley
Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2019 6:45 AM
To: NVDA
Subject: [nvda] How do I set up a keyboard short cut to start NVDA?

 

Hi,

 

Can I do this inside of NVDA or do I do this in Windows?

 

Thank you,

 

James B

 

 

 


Re: How do I set up a keyboard short cut to start NVDA?

James Bentley <bentleyj1952@...>
 

Hi,

I thought it could also be done inside of NVDA but I don't see it.

It was no big deal to just set it up in Windows.

I like hearing MS David. Looks like NVDA keeps getting better.

Thanks,

James B

-----Original Message-----
From: Damien Garwood
Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2019 8:00 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How do I set up a keyboard short cut to start NVDA?

Hi James,
This is done through Windows. The idea is that you set up a shortcut
file in the start menu or on the desktop. Then, when you access its
properties, you can set up the hotkey that will activate it.
If you need help doing this, email me off list and I'll walk you through
the process.
Cheers,
Damien.

On 13/10/2019 01:45 pm, James Bentley wrote:
Hi,
Can I do this inside of NVDA or do I do this in Windows?
Thank you,
James B


Re: How do I set up a keyboard short cut to start NVDA?

Damien Garwood <damien@...>
 

Hi James,
This is done through Windows. The idea is that you set up a shortcut file in the start menu or on the desktop. Then, when you access its properties, you can set up the hotkey that will activate it.
If you need help doing this, email me off list and I'll walk you through the process.
Cheers,
Damien.

On 13/10/2019 01:45 pm, James Bentley wrote:
Hi,
Can I do this inside of NVDA or do I do this in Windows?
Thank you,
James B


How do I set up a keyboard short cut to start NVDA?

James Bentley <bentleyj1952@...>
 

Hi,
 
Can I do this inside of NVDA or do I do this in Windows?
 
Thank you,
 
James B
 
 


Re: RH Voices NVDA Add-on

Kevin Cussick
 

Hi, it might you should not need the sapi5 stuff as it should just work. a bit late reading this sorry. you may hae it working now I hope so it works on all my machines.

On 27/09/2019 23:20, john s wrote:
Kevin, would it help to install any of this stuff,running as administrator?
At 05:34 PM 9/27/2019, Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io, wrote:
Ok,   well can't really help you.   how ever I had the addon throw up an error but rebooted the machine and it fixed it and now it just works. that is why I asked if you had any error installing the addon.

On 27/09/2019 21:48, Richard Wells wrote:
Add-ons installed without errors.
On 9/27/2019 3:47 PM, Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io wrote:
did addons install OK? if so then I do not know why it is not working
for you.

On 27/09/2019 21:45, Richard Wells wrote:
I have installed the English language pack and four voices, but after
restarting NVDA the RH Voices just do not show under change synthesizer.

On 9/27/2019 2:45 PM, Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi,   I don't think so.   OK you downloaded the addon,   the voices
you might want to use,   install the addon first,   do not reboot nvda
yet, Â install all voices you might use then restart nvda and you
should see the sinth under the sinth settings page select Rh Voice as
the sinth then select the voice if it doesn't show up I do not know
why. using alpha and stable as well and the addon and voices work.

On 26/09/2019 23:34, Richard Wells wrote:
I tried this using the English add-on and the three offered English
voices. They installed, but they do not show in the change synthesizer
dialog under settings/speech. Did I miss a step somewhere?


                John


Re: Are web applications that accessible?

Sean Murphy
 

If the web app you are using is independent of a browser. In other word is self-contained browser like skype, Visual Code Editor and others. Then what is available to you is very restrictive. As the screen reader is fully dependent on what is revealed by this style of app via the accessibility framework like UIA, MSAA or iaccess2. If you cannot write a plugin, then you will have very limited access to available information.

If the app is usable in any browser, then you have more flexibility and there are extension based upon Javascript that permits you to modify the web page. You require knowledge in JavaScript languages to modify the page.

A general overview how web pages regardless if they are stand-alone apps or uses any web browser work:
* the web page is loaded.
* The DOM is populated (Document Object Model).
* the accessibility tree of the browser is populated which has the required information for a assistive technology product.
* The accessibility API (framework) like UIA is populated by the browser.
* the screen reader then interrogates the accessibility API or the browser directly.
There is more complexity to what I have outlined above. But this gives a general overview how information flows.


NVDA might be able to get more information but you need to learn python, the accessibility API and possibly a bunch of other API information to get the information you want. A major learning curve for yourself. Where it would be far cost effective for your energy and time to reach out to the owner of the product to make the require changes.

Sean

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Damien Garwood
Sent: Sunday, 13 October 2019 7:16 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Are web applications that accessible?

Hi Robert,
Those are actually very interesting questions. I have theories, but that's all they are. I'm sure someone who is more expert on this topic will correct me if it turns out I'm wrong, which I'm sure I probably am.
The simple answer first. Announcements for several document elements (table headers, clickable items, links, headings etc) can be enabled or disabled through the document formatting section of the settings dialog.
Other than that, the only way to really customise what is spoken by NVDA (such as changing control type text, changing spoken order etc) is through scripting.
Now for my theories. Scripting web app enhancements with NVDA wouldn't be as simple as making an app module for several reasons.
1. NVDA has its own internal stuff that allows it to do its browse/focus mode thing. This could interfere with web apps that you might think can be scripted as app modules (those packaged as executables like Skype and so on).
2. The web browser is just a host for the app, and so I'm guessing NVDA can't get to it the same way it gets to a standard desktop control. Even apps packaged as their own executables like Skype are actually using Chrome/Chromium/whatever it's called these days.
3. Bear in mind that different browsers have different rules for rendering controls and information, and so unfortunately it wouldn't be a uniform process.
Having said that. There are several accessibility API's that NVDA has, over the years, managed to smack under one umbrella. So I'm guessing that's only a matter of time before the same can be done for web browsers, and eventually, web apps.
As for profiles. My guess is that those can be used in the normal way for web apps that come as executables, but would be difficult to set up for external websites, for similar reasons. The profile would be triggered by the browser, not the app itself.
Cheers,
Damien.

On 12/10/2019 07:21 pm, Robert Logue wrote:
1: Is it difficult for users to script NVDA for web applications?


2: Is there a standard way to customize what is spoken?


3: Does NVDA have a way to set up individual profiles for each web
application?


Thanks.


Bob


On 2019-10-07 8:51 a.m., Gene wrote:
So, how do you skip all that? I don't use GMail on the Internet
except to look at the spam filter now and then. I am not familiar
with the supplied short cuts. But any time you want to jump from
message to message, typing x in browse mode takes you to the check
box for the next message. You hear, as I recall, the subject line
and the name of the sender.
But there are ways of skipping unwanted material and the fact that
they are not well known indicates poor training or poor training
materials being widely used.
The find command is one of the most useful but under or unused
feature. What is the last consistent line before the message text,
or the synopsis, begins? Find it by looking from the check box down
on more than one message. You will see a pattern.
Do a search for that line and you can then do the following:
x to move to the next message.
Repeat search, you have already searched once by entering the search
string, then down arrow once and read to end.
After you do this enough to have it become second nature, it will be
reasonably fast and efficient.
You can't be a good Internet user in more complex areas of a web page
if you rely on what I refer to as "the kindness of strangers.", as is
famously said by a character in A Street Car Named Desire.
The number of blind people, even those who are generally good
computer users, who don't know how to do what I'm describing is clear
evidence of the inadequate and poor training received.
I don't use web applications enough to discuss the general questions
presented here, but GMail isn't a web application in the sense that
Google Docx (spelling) is. It is a layout but you aren't working
with an application embedded in the page.
And you will see lots of times when doing things such as I describe
is important for efficient navigation.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Devin Prater <mailto:r.d.t.prater@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Monday, October 07, 2019 8:44 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Are web applications that accessible?

On no, it says “Reply, reply all, forward…” all that, even if you use
the keyboard commands to move to the next or previous message.

On Oct 7, 2019, at 8:14 AM, Hope Williamson <hopeisjoyful@gmail.com
<mailto:hopeisjoyful@gmail.com>> wrote:

There's no reason to leave out normal header information. In other
words, the sender, date, time, and the fact that it's from you. If
it's like the IP you're referring to, then that's different.




Re: Are web applications that accessible?

Damien Garwood <damien@...>
 

Hi Robert,
Those are actually very interesting questions. I have theories, but that's all they are. I'm sure someone who is more expert on this topic will correct me if it turns out I'm wrong, which I'm sure I probably am.
The simple answer first. Announcements for several document elements (table headers, clickable items, links, headings etc) can be enabled or disabled through the document formatting section of the settings dialog. Other than that, the only way to really customise what is spoken by NVDA (such as changing control type text, changing spoken order etc) is through scripting.
Now for my theories. Scripting web app enhancements with NVDA wouldn't be as simple as making an app module for several reasons.
1. NVDA has its own internal stuff that allows it to do its browse/focus mode thing. This could interfere with web apps that you might think can be scripted as app modules (those packaged as executables like Skype and so on).
2. The web browser is just a host for the app, and so I'm guessing NVDA can't get to it the same way it gets to a standard desktop control. Even apps packaged as their own executables like Skype are actually using Chrome/Chromium/whatever it's called these days.
3. Bear in mind that different browsers have different rules for rendering controls and information, and so unfortunately it wouldn't be a uniform process.
Having said that. There are several accessibility API's that NVDA has, over the years, managed to smack under one umbrella. So I'm guessing that's only a matter of time before the same can be done for web browsers, and eventually, web apps.
As for profiles. My guess is that those can be used in the normal way for web apps that come as executables, but would be difficult to set up for external websites, for similar reasons. The profile would be triggered by the browser, not the app itself.
Cheers,
Damien.

On 12/10/2019 07:21 pm, Robert Logue wrote:
1: Is it difficult for users to script NVDA for web applications?
2: Is there a standard way to customize what is spoken?
3: Does NVDA have a way to set up individual profiles for each web application?
Thanks.
Bob
On 2019-10-07 8:51 a.m., Gene wrote:
So, how do you skip all that?  I don't use GMail on the Internet except to look at the spam filter now and then.  I am not familiar with the supplied short cuts.  But any time you want to jump from message to message, typing x in browse mode takes you to the check box for the next message.  You hear, as I recall, the subject line and the name of the sender.
But there are ways of skipping unwanted material and the fact that they are not well known indicates poor training or poor training materials being widely used.
The find command is one of the most useful but under or unused feature.  What is the last consistent line before the message text, or the synopsis, begins?  Find it by looking from the check box down on more than one message.  You will see a pattern.
Do a search for that line and you can then do the following:
x to move to the next message.
Repeat search, you have already searched once by entering the search string, then down arrow once and read to end.
After you do this enough to have it become second nature, it will be reasonably fast and efficient.
You can't be a good Internet user in more complex areas of a web page if you rely on what I refer to as "the kindness of strangers.", as is famously said by a character in A Street Car Named Desire.
The number of blind people, even those who are generally good computer users, who don't know how to do what I'm describing is clear evidence of the inadequate and poor training received.
I don't use web applications enough to discuss the general questions presented here, but GMail isn't a web application in the sense that Google Docx (spelling) is.  It is a layout but you aren't working with an application embedded in the page.
And you will see lots of times when doing things such as I describe is important for efficient navigation.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Devin Prater <mailto:r.d.t.prater@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Monday, October 07, 2019 8:44 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Are web applications that accessible?

On no, it says “Reply, reply all, forward…” all that, even if you use the keyboard commands to move to the next or previous message.

On Oct 7, 2019, at 8:14 AM, Hope Williamson <hopeisjoyful@gmail.com
<mailto:hopeisjoyful@gmail.com>> wrote:

There's no reason to leave out normal header information. In other
words, the sender, date, time, and the fact that it's from you. If it's like the IP you're referring to, then that's different.




Re: Are web applications that accessible?

Robert Logue
 

1: Is it difficult for users to script NVDA for web applications?


2: Is there a standard way to customize what is spoken?


3: Does NVDA have a way to set up individual profiles for each web application?


Thanks.


Bob


On 2019-10-07 8:51 a.m., Gene wrote:
So, how do you skip all that?  I don't use GMail on the Internet except to look at the spam filter now and then.  I am not familiar with the supplied short cuts.  But any time you want to jump from message to message, typing x in browse mode takes you to the check box for the next message.  You hear, as I recall, the subject line and the name of the sender. 
 
But there are ways of skipping unwanted material and the fact that they are not well known indicates poor training or poor training materials being widely used.
 
The find command is one of the most useful but under or unused feature.  What is the last consistent line before the message text, or the synopsis, begins?  Find it by looking from the check box down on more than one message.  You will see a pattern.
Do a search for that line and you can then do the following:
x to move to the next message.
Repeat search, you have already searched once by entering the search string, then down arrow once and read to end.
After you do this enough to have it become second nature, it will be reasonably fast and efficient.
 
You can't be a good Internet user in more complex areas of a web page if you rely on what I refer to as "the kindness of strangers.", as is famously said by a character in A Street Car Named Desire.
 
The number of blind people, even those who are generally good computer users, who don't know how to do what I'm describing is clear evidence of the inadequate and poor training received.
 
I don't use web applications enough to discuss the general questions presented here, but GMail isn't a web application in the sense that Google Docx (spelling) is.  It is a layout but you aren't working with an application embedded in the page.
 
And you will see lots of times when doing things such as I describe is important for efficient navigation.
 
Gene
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Sent: Monday, October 07, 2019 8:44 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Are web applications that accessible?

On no, it says “Reply, reply all, forward…” all that, even if you use the keyboard commands to move to the next or previous message.

> On Oct 7, 2019, at 8:14 AM, Hope Williamson <hopeisjoyful@...> wrote:
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> There's no reason to leave out normal header information. In other words, the sender, date, time, and the fact that it's from you. If it's like the IP you're referring to, then that's different.
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Re: NVDA keeps on crashing while switching windows

Suhas Dharwad
 

the version of NVDA is 
2019.2 
stable build.

and the windows version is:

Windows 10Ver1903 (64-bit) build 18362.387


On Sat, Oct 12, 2019 at 9:02 AM Luke Davis <luke@...> wrote:
What version of NVDA do you have? (NVDA menu, help, about)
What version of Windows do you have? (Windows+R, winver, enter)

When did this problem start? Had you done anything right before that, such as
install a windows update, or some new software, or update Chrome, or something?

I know it's an old drum inside of a dead horse that I keep beating, but have
you run the NVDA COM Registration Fixing Tool, from the NVDA Tools menu?

Luke

On Sat, 12 Oct 2019, help tech accessibility wrote:

> i have this super duper Bugg,
> which doesn't let me do anything on my pc without restarting NVDA every 10 minutes or so.
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> for instance, if i'm using Chrome and then i switched to notepad,
> then came back to Chrome, NVDA acts so weird.
> It hardly speaks anything, and doesn't complete the commands.





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