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Re: Tutorial on using the Gmail Web View with NVDA

Lenron
 

also I am wondering if this way stops gmail from clipping your message
if its very long.

On 3/10/16, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
I don't use GMail but I listened to a little of the tutorial and, as I
recall, the person says to use shift enter to open the message in a new
window. That is a good procedure and it's worth doing in a lot of other
instances as well. By opening the message in a new window, you can return
to where you were before on the other page simpley by closing the Window
with alt f4. You won't loose your place because the other window was always
opened and you are simply returning to it. I use the command routinely when
I know I want to return to a previous page and resume where I left off. For
example, when I'm on a newspaper page, I use the command to follow a link to
read an article. I can then return to the previous page by closing the new
window and never lose my place. I'm on the link I followed.

I use it when following search results on a Google page. I may want to look
at numerous results and this makes it much more convenient to look at a
result and then return to the results page.

I didn't realize the importance of this procedure for quite some time after
I started using the Internet. the importance of it should be emphasized
when teaching blind people to use the Internet. it isn't.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Kakarla Nageswaraiah
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 7:24 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tutorial on using the Gmail Web View with NVDA


Dear all,

I downloaded the mp3 version of Brandon Biggs' tutorial on NVDA with
Gmail and I have some doubts regarding that.

1. In what way(s) is/are the standard view better than basic html view?

2. What's the difference between opening a mail and opening a mail in
a new window?

Thanks and regards.


On 3/10/16, Brandon Keith Biggs <brandonkeithbiggs@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello,
I use
https://obsproject.com/
Thanks,


Brandon Keith Biggs <http://brandonkeithbiggs.com/>

On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 7:16 AM, Supanut Leepaisomboon <
supanut2000@outlook.com> wrote:

Hi,
What program did you used to record the tutorial? If the desktop is
visible, I'd assume you use a screen recording program.




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Re: Hide quoted messages?

Brian's Mail list account BY <bglists@...>
 

I'd suggest most people here are using email clients not web based systems. As we tend to top post then one only needs to read down as far as one needs to remind us of the thread debate.
I don't know how one might handle removing quoted messages on the web site as obviously there needs to be some character or group thereof that the web based system can act on.
If it were all completely web based this would be relatively easy by using different fields for things, ie the quotes would be henld in a different store. As long as you allow email though you lose this.
WE could all set our clients to not quote messages in replies and forwards, but then, I know from experience we get complaints the other way around for those not coming here often not getting up to speed if the messages have expired.
Brian

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Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Supanut Leepaisomboon" <supanut2000@outlook.com>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Friday, March 11, 2016 5:26 AM
Subject: [nvda] Re: Hide quoted messages?


Nowadays, when replying to threads on this list I used the web interface, which avoided the possibility of accidentally inserting quoted messages.

What I've been seeing is that, not only were the bottom of each messages contain quoted messages in full, but from time-to-time those quoted messages also contain quoted messages, once again in full. This makes navigating through threads really annoying. I know that when replying to a message, it's good to quote the message in question, but there has to be an option to hide it, either in the user settings page or on the thread display page.

Alternatively, the quoting of messages can be avoided entirely if there is a threaded system of replies, I.E when I reply to a message my reply would appear as another level under the original messages, of course with the option to either expand or collapse the replys.
Re: Thunderbird saying unknown

christopher hallsworth <challsworth2@...>
 

Hi it is a calendar add-on to Thunderbird similar to the calendar feature in Outlook.

On 11 Mar 2016, at 02:39, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@gmail.com> wrote:

What is lightning and what does it do?



On 3/10/2016 6:19 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Yes I have turned off lightning, is lightning any good as such?



On 11/03/2016 3:14 p.m., Tyler Spivey wrote:
IIRC, Thunderbird comes with Lightning. Turn it off in the addons.
On 3/10/2016 6:13 PM, Bhavya shah wrote:
Hi,
I too recently installed Mozilla Thunderbird and have been
experimenting with it since yesterday.
Thanks for bring this topic up, Brandon, and for the various tips by others.
Some more occurences of 'unknown' in Thunderbird are when you tab
around the main screen or page of Thunderbird, where two or three
unknowns appear subsequently in tab order, before the event related
buttons.
I also must disable whatever I can and see if Thunderbird actually
increases my efficiency or productivity in any way as opposed to my
web Basic HTML interface of GMail, which I may eventually transition
from to the Standard View.
Thanks.

On 3/11/16, Pete <emac00@cogeco.ca> wrote:

Hi
two more things, I do is uncheck Thunderbird options general Thunderbird
start page and I select in composition advanced open messages in a new
window radio button.

Pete
Re: Hide quoted messages

Gene
 

I'm not trying to give you a hard time but why are you starting a new thread when the topic is still the same?  The subject line does not have to change every time you respond.  The subject line is a general indicator of what a thread is about.  If the thread changes so that it has no relevance to the old subject line, then changing it makes sense.  It makes no sense to change a subject line because you are discussing only one aspect of a thread that is related to the general topic.  You start a completely new thread every time you do this. 
 
In addition, I don't know how much it costs for people who pay per use to receive a lot of quoted material.  The cost is one thing to consider.  There are other considerations.  For example, when I look in archives of lists, even though a lot of people don't use archives, I often find it convenient to see quoted messages.  It saves me the trouble of looking through different messages in the thread to see a lot of messages in one string.  Also, if many list members are like me, we receive a lot of mail and it is often very convenient to receive mail with quoted material in case we want to review something we might not remember clearly that occurred earlier in the thread. 
 
If a lot of quoted material does pose a financial problem, I'll consider quoting much more selectively.  I used to not include quoted material but I got complaints on another list that I should include some quoted material. 
 
Gene

From: Pete
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 11:29 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Hide quoted messages?


   Hi
In Thunderbird to not quote the message you are replying to go to
   tools menu
   account settings
   composition and addressing
   uncheck the automatically quote the original message when replying
check box
   Pete
Re: Hide quoted messages?

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Thank you.

On 3/10/2016 9:29 PM, Pete wrote:

Hi
In Thunderbird to not quote the message you are replying to go to
tools menu
account settings
composition and addressing
uncheck the automatically quote the original message when replying check box
Pete
Re: Hide quoted messages?

Pete <emac00@...>
 

Hi
In Thunderbird to not quote the message you are replying to go to
tools menu
account settings
composition and addressing
uncheck the automatically quote the original message when replying check box
Pete
Re: Hide quoted messages?

Supanut Leepaisomboon
 

Nowadays, when replying to threads on this list I used the web interface, which avoided the possibility of accidentally inserting quoted messages.

What I've been seeing is that, not only were the bottom of each messages contain quoted messages in full, but from time-to-time those quoted messages also contain quoted messages, once again in full. This makes navigating through threads really annoying. I know that when replying to a message, it's good to quote the message in question, but there has to be an option to hide it, either in the user settings page or on the thread display page.

Alternatively, the quoting of messages can be avoided entirely if there is a threaded system of replies, I.E when I reply to a message my reply would appear as another level under the original messages, of course with the option to either expand or collapse the replys.
Re: Antivirus

slery <slerythema@...>
 

Hey, thanks for the information. The home version lets you install on 10 computers for personal use for free. It’s late so I haven’t installed just yet.

 

Cindy

 

From: Supanut Leepaisomboon [mailto:supanut2000@...]
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 10:25 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Re: Antivirus

 

Hi,

I just gave Sophos Home Cloud Antivirus a try, and I must say, it's reasonably accessible with NVDA, from what I tried in a virtual machine (although it lags, but that's normal for a virtual machine). It's web-based control panel, too, is accessible (at least with Jaws). As Sophos is a company that makes cloud protection sollution for businesses, I would expect the home edition of its cloud antivirus to be equally good, in terms of the level of protection.

P.S I've given up on Nod32, after learning from one of my university staff that I can only update it when my computer is connected to the campus's wi-fi network, which is impossible for my desktop computer at home.
Re: Official press release link to NVDA Tek Talk event on March 14th

Joseph Lee
 

Hi,

It can be found at:

http://conference321.com/masteradmin/room.asp?id=rsc9613dc89eb2

Note that you’ll need to install TCConference software.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: laura cornwell [mailto:lauracornwell1@...]
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 9:17 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Official press release link to NVDA Tek Talk event on March 14th

 

Where can I find your tack talk room?

On 3/9/2016 10:56 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi members of the NVDA community:

 

Here it is: the press release for the March 14th Tek Talk event is now available (please spread the word):

http://www.accessibleworld.org/announcements/1970

 

Additional items:

·         If you have last minute suggestions on NVDACon 2016 (sessions, schedule and so on), please talk to me (or NvDACon planning committee members) after Tek Talk.

·         Speakers: We have two or three slots open for lightning talks. If you are interested in giving a lightning (15 to 20 minute including Q&A) talk, please come and talk to me after Tek Talk.

·         Add-on users dinner: shortly after Tek Talk event, I’ll be hosting a “dinner” (a meeting) for users of add-ons I maintain. Currently these are GoldWave, Resource Monitor, StationPlaylist Studio and Windows 10 App Essentials. It’ll be held at the Tek Talk room and will foreshadow an add-ons event the organizers are thinking of having during NVDACon 2016 (and to set a precedence for add-on writers who’d like to meet with users of their add-on(s) during NvDACon).

·         NVDA 2016.2-dev: If Mick and Jamie permits, I’d like to give a short demo of what NV Access and contributors are up to in developing NVDA 2016.2 (this will happen after Tek Talk meeting if there is enough interest from the community).

 

Hope to see many of you at the Tek Talk event on the 14th (15th for some).

Cheers,

Joseph (event presenter)

 

 
Re: Official press release link to NVDA Tek Talk event on March 14th

laura cornwell <lauracornwell1@...>
 

Where can I find your tack talk room?

On 3/9/2016 10:56 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi members of the NVDA community:

 

Here it is: the press release for the March 14th Tek Talk event is now available (please spread the word):

http://www.accessibleworld.org/announcements/1970

 

Additional items:

·         If you have last minute suggestions on NVDACon 2016 (sessions, schedule and so on), please talk to me (or NvDACon planning committee members) after Tek Talk.

·         Speakers: We have two or three slots open for lightning talks. If you are interested in giving a lightning (15 to 20 minute including Q&A) talk, please come and talk to me after Tek Talk.

·         Add-on users dinner: shortly after Tek Talk event, I’ll be hosting a “dinner” (a meeting) for users of add-ons I maintain. Currently these are GoldWave, Resource Monitor, StationPlaylist Studio and Windows 10 App Essentials. It’ll be held at the Tek Talk room and will foreshadow an add-ons event the organizers are thinking of having during NVDACon 2016 (and to set a precedence for add-on writers who’d like to meet with users of their add-on(s) during NvDACon).

·         NVDA 2016.2-dev: If Mick and Jamie permits, I’d like to give a short demo of what NV Access and contributors are up to in developing NVDA 2016.2 (this will happen after Tek Talk meeting if there is enough interest from the community).

 

Hope to see many of you at the Tek Talk event on the 14th (15th for some).

Cheers,

Joseph (event presenter)

 
Re: Hide quoted messages?

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I don't know how to hide quoted messages.

On 3/10/2016 8:25 PM, Pete wrote:

We all might want to set e-mail not to quote messages when replying to them. It would save bandwidth for people who pay by the bit. Pete
Re: Hide quoted messages?

Brian Vogel
 

I'll also second the both prior posters' observations/suggestions.

I have been occasionally criticized because I will top-quote a single line to three lines from a prior message to establish context when I think there could be ambiguity regarding which prior message was being responded to.

I find it very difficult to plow through threads when the majority of responses bottom-quote all prior responses in their entirety.  I understand how this can and does happen, but I would welcome a feature on groups.io that would allow all quoted material below the last bit of new material (in case anyone occasionally uses a quote-response-quote-response format) to be hidden, preferably by default.  Anyone who uses Gmail via its web interface has seen this style in use for years now.

Brian
Re: java access bridge

Pete <emac00@...>
 

Hi

It seems to be working, no nvda log errors. I saved the setup.htm from son micro and used it to make the batch file. I remember reading it a million times to make sure I copied the rite files to the rite place. The situation changes if you are using only 32 bit j r e on 64 bit windows if I remember the system32 folder is used in that situation.
Pete
Re: Hide quoted messages?

Pete <emac00@...>
 

We all might want to set e-mail not to quote messages when replying to them. It would save bandwidth for people who pay by the bit. Pete
nvda and microsoft access:

Kenny Peyattt jr.
 

Hi I don’t know if this is the right list for this, but I was wondering if nvda works with Microsoft access and if so how well does it work with nvda?

Kenny Peyatt jr.

Re: good, responsive synthesizers?

Pete <emac00@...>
 

Hi
I use the default accent max voice. The u s accent sounds a little flat and buzzy to me. I didn't play around with much though.
Pete

On 3/10/2016 10:08 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, Pete,

Do you use the English accent voice or English US? Right now I haveMax set to the English US voice.

Rosemarie


On 3/10/2016 6:51 PM, Pete wrote:

male 3 isn't too bad. Try setting the pitch to 55 or 45 and set inflection to 45. I use max set to pitch 45 and inflection 75 with rate boost checked set to about 50%...
I lower the inflection the slower the speech is and higher inflection for faster speech. I would like to be able to control the pause between words...
I used an old accent PC synthesizer so am used to a thin sounding voice. I miss that old accent PC synth.
Pete
Re: Thunderbird saying unknown

Pete <emac00@...>
 

Hi
OK These are all in the view menu in Thunderbird:
I looked again in the toolbars and I don't have any thing checked in there.
in lay out the only things I have checked is:
clasic view and folder pane
in folders I have all radial checked
I have none checked in the today pane
I have ascending and date checked in the sort by
calendar is unavailable as is tasks
in threads all is checked
in headers normal is checked
in message body as has original HTML checked
display attachments inline is checked
zoom has text only checked
character encoding sub menu is unavailable

OK in tools press enter on options
general:
show start page when Thunderbird launches is not checked
show a tray icon is not checked

display:
formatting:
I set set font size to 16 in here
advanced:
selected open message in a new window
close message window / tab on move or delete is checked
composition:
general:
changed variable with font to fixed with font in here
spelling:
unchecked check spelling as you type in here

I think I got most all of the changes I made. There might have been some other changes I made can't say for sure now what they are / were.
Let me know how it works?
Good luck!
Pete

On 3/10/2016 9:41 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
I have those things unchecked too.



On 3/10/2016 6:04 PM, Pete wrote:

Hi
two more things, I do is uncheck Thunderbird options general Thunderbird start page and I select in composition advanced open messages in a new window radio button.

Pete
Re: Tutorial on using the Gmail Web View with NVDA

Gene
 

I don't use GMail but I listened to a little of the tutorial and, as I recall, the person says to use shift enter to open the message in a new window.  That is a good procedure and it's worth doing in a lot of other instances as well.  By opening the message in a new window, you can return to where you were before on the other page simpley by closing the Window with alt f4.  You won't loose your place because the other window was always opened and you are simply returning to it.  I use the command routinely when I know I want to return to a previous page and resume where I left off.  For example, when I'm on a newspaper page, I use the command to follow a link to read an article.  I can then return to the previous page by closing the new window and never lose my place.  I'm on the link I followed.
 
I use it when following search results on a Google page.  I may want to look at numerous results and this makes it much more convenient to look at a result and then return to the results page.
 
I didn't realize the importance of this procedure for quite some time after I started using the Internet.  the importance of it should be emphasized when teaching blind people to use the Internet.  it isn't.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 7:24 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tutorial on using the Gmail Web View with NVDA

Dear all,

I downloaded the mp3 version of Brandon Biggs' tutorial on NVDA with
Gmail and I have some doubts regarding that.

1.  In what way(s) is/are the standard view better than basic html view?

2.  What's the difference between opening a mail and opening a mail in
a new window?

Thanks and regards.


On 3/10/16, Brandon Keith Biggs <brandonkeithbiggs@...> wrote:
> Hello,
> I use
> https://obsproject.com/
> Thanks,
>
>
> Brandon Keith Biggs <http://brandonkeithbiggs.com/>
>
> On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 7:16 AM, Supanut Leepaisomboon <
> supanut2000@...> wrote:
>
>>     Hi,
>> What program did you used to record the tutorial? If the desktop is
>> visible, I'd assume you use a screen recording program.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>


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Re: accessible version of Seamonkey?

The Wolf
 

yes I did receive the radios
sorry I am now getting to the verry end of my 2000 plus emails.
hope u are well
Hank

On 3/10/2016 3:13 PM, Dan B Dyer JrDanny wrote:
Hank, did u get the box?&are u ok with its' contents? Dd

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 10, 2016, at 4:55 PM, "Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona" <hank.smith966@gmail.com> wrote:

will the free version work for uninstalling 64 bit programs? if not what is a good program that is simular to revo uninstaller
that will work on 64 bit programs?
thanks
Hank

On 3/5/2016 6:10 AM, Greg Wocher wrote:
Hello,
If you are having trouble uninstalling as well there is a free program you can try called revo uninstaller. It works well and it is how I uninstall most of my programs. It can be found at:
http://www.revouninstaller.com/revo_uninstaller_free_download.html

Make sure you get the freware version. The professional version does not work very well with screen readers yet the free version works quite well. This program will help get rid of the program giving you an issue. I too just installed SeaMonkey from scratch with out an issue. I have not used it in a while and may give it another try.

Regards,
Greg Wocher

On 3/4/2016 8:25 PM, Lisa P Geibel wrote:
Hi Vincent,
Sorry, we also have the latest version of JAWS, but it won't read anything with that either. Very perplexed by all of this and disappointed in myself. Thanks for all your help. Can't even remove the program and put it back on as it reads the same as the install did. Can't restore the computer to an earlier time before the problems started. Looks like I'm just stuck.

Lisa
E-Mail: lisapgeibel429@gmail.com
Facebook: http://facebook.com/ldporter1
Twitter: http://twitter.com/LisaLisa429
Philmore box shared with hubby:
773-572-7897
God bless everyone!!!

On 3/4/16 9:30 AM, Vincent Thacker wrote:
Lisa,

Sorry, I wasn't quite accurate in my last mail,, but you found the menu
items anyway. In Seamonkey, go to View Menu, then Show / Hide, then
press the right arrow key to start the submenu with the various toolbars
that you can show or hide. There is a further submenu for Website
Navigation, which you can again reach by pressing the right arrow key.

From the main menu bar, for example, if you are at Bookmarks, the
submenu should appear if you press the down arrow. I have no idea why
items are not being spoken by NVDA.

It may be that some settings have got corrupted , in which case it would
be an idea to remove Seamonkey and start again. If NVDA is otherwise
working OK, this may be the best option. I remove programs with Revo
Uninstaller, which looks for relevant files all over your PC, and so may
remove any corrupt material.

To get the current version of seamonkey, version 2.39, go to:
https://download.mozilla.org/?product=seamonkey-2.39&os=win&lang=en-US

That link above should start the installer downloading. In Seamonkey or
Firefox, you will get a dialog box asking you to save the file before
you can run it.

Vince in England.

========================================
Message Received: Mar 04 2016, 01:38 PM
From: "Lisa P Geibel"
To: nvda@groups.io
Cc:
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible version of Seamonkey?

Hi Vincent,
Thank you for getting back. Yes, menu is checked, but there are about 4
or 5 other things below it that are also checked and it doesn't read
what they are. I know how to get to the view choice when things act
normally, but when I left and right arrow when I'm in the file menu,
all
I hear is submenu submenu and that's it. Does that help you any? Can
you
give me any tips on things to have checked or unchecked so it will read
better? Please and thanks?.

Lisa
E-Mail: lisapgeibel429@gmail.com
Facebook: http://facebook.com/ldporter1
Twitter: http://twitter.com/LisaLisa429
Philmore box shared with hubby:
773-572-7897
God bless everyone!!!

On 3/4/16 8:09 AM, Vincent Thacker wrote:
> Hi, Lisa,
>
> I've got Seamonkey on my PC, and I don't know what's happened with
> yours, but it looks much the same as it ever did. I have version
2.39,
> which I believe is the latest.
>
> I wonder if you have menus turned off. Hold down the Alt key
until you
> can find out what's there. If you can get to the View menu, choose
> Toolbars and make sure that menus are on.
>
> A shortcut to save a favorite or bookmark is Control key plus D.
>
> If you have Firefox and Thunderbird, you have most of Seamonkey in
> another form, really.
>
> Hope that's some help.
>
> Vince in England.
>
>
>
>
>
> ========================================
> Message Received: Mar 04 2016, 11:41 AM
> From: "Lisa P Geibel"
> To: nvda@groups.io
> Cc:
> Subject: [nvda] accessible version of Seamonkey?
>
> Hi,
> My husband and I are both totally blind and use a Windows 10 computer
> with NVDA. I use Thunderbird for my mail client and he used to use
> Seamonkey until something happened and we had to reinstall it. I got
> 2.93 and it is very different than the older one he had as no
shortcut
> keys such as alt b to add to favorites or ctrl l to open a URL work.
> It's only reading things like button and such. The install was a
> nightmare and he had to do it as the only choices were button and alt
> button. Please help with finding an accessible version since I
was the
> one that messed it up on him? Thanks.
> --
> Lisa
> E-Mail: lisapgeibel429@gmail.com
> Facebook: http://facebook.com/ldporter1
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/LisaLisa429
> Philmore box shared with hubby:
> 773-572-7897
> God bless everyone!!!
>
>
>
>
>
Re: NVDA and win10?

Kenny Peyattt jr.
 

Hi I know that nvda-kr.org has some podcasts with nvda and windows 10.
Kenny Peyatt jr.

-----Original Message-----
From: David Mehler [mailto:dave.mehler@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 9:29 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and win10?

Hello,

I just got a fresh box with windows 10 version 1511 installed. I've
put Nvda 2016.1 on it. Are there any podcasts on win10, with emphasis
on win7 transfer users. I use win7 now I've got two win10 boxes, I'd
like to learn a little about them.

Thanks.
Dave.
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