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Re: can't go back to the inbox in thunderbird

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Aha! I didn't think of that. Thanks for the tip.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ron
Canazzi
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2016 9:42 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] can't go back to the inbox in thunderbird

To close any window in Firefox or Thunderbird, press control + W.



On 7/27/2016 12:33 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, Jacob,

When I went into thunderbird, I was taken to the add-ons manager
instead of the inbox. What do I do to get back to the inbox tab?



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Jacob Kruger
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2016 9:18 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] can't go back to the inbox in thunderbird

I open my messages in a new window to read them, and thus when I close
that window, it just goes back to message listing.




Under tools menu, options, select display from list in window that
comes up, and tab over to a set of radio buttons for open messages in
- and, think also turned off any form of preview pane somewhere, but,
can't remember exactly.




Stay well, and HTH




Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."
On 2016-07-27 5:58 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:


Hi, everyone,



After reading a message in thunderbird, I couldn't go back to the
inbox. I even tried to end the task with the task manager but to no avail.
What could be going on?



Thanks for your help in advance.



Rosemarie











--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: Windows 10 Anniversary Update

rajmund <brajmund2000@...>
 

Hi, actually, second screen does work for me, with windows 10. As I have 100% light vision, I can confirm, personally. 

Sent from my iPhone 5S

On 27 Jul 2016, at 4:29 pm, Bhavya shah <bhavya.shah125@...> wrote:

Hi Quentin,
Thanks for the detailed explanation. One of the critical deficiencies
I found in Windows 10 was non-functionality of the second screen only
technique. It works perfectly well on Windows 8.1, and therefore I was
compelled to roll back. Appreciate all the informative content though.
Thanks.

On 7/27/16, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...> wrote:
Hang on a moment, none of my machines have a monitor and I've had no issues

with previous operating systems at all. are we saying here that the windows

10 anniversary edition will sit and sulk if it has no monitor connected.
This would be very inconvenient!
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Quentin Christensen" <quentin@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2016 2:36 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 Anniversary Update


Hi Bhavya,

The new colour option doesn't allow for complete dimming of the screen.  If
you are using a desktop, you should be able to simply leave the monitor off
(although my PC looks for the monitor connection and won't start if it
doesn't detect that the monitor is already on (which is quite annoying as
the monitor actually is on, it just takes a second or so to come on).  If
you are using a laptop, you might try pressing WINDOWS+P to "Project" the
screen and choose "Second screen only" to in effect turn off your main
screen.

So what the new colour option does is simply make the Windows settings
display with white text on a black background rather than black text on
white, which is the default for most things.

You can set it in the windows options (WINDOWS+i), choose personalisation,
then colours then "Choose your app mode" and set it to "Dark" rather than
"Light".

Regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Jul 27, 2016 at 11:28 AM, Bhavya shah <bhavya.shah125@...>
wrote:

Hi Quentin,
Could you elaborate a bit on the dark mode you were talking about?
Does it permit complete dimming of the screen?
Albert,
Thanks for the instructions - one thing I learnt was that Ctrl + Space
is used to unselected something. Previously, I always used to create a
random folder and then delete it to have focus on nothing, to be able
to get to the New submenu on the Desktop.
Thanks.

On 7/27/16, Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:
Then, if I have to upgrade to ten. That’s what I’ll do. Alt f 4 from
the
desktop.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
David
Moore
Sent: July-25-16 10:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 Anniversary Update



Hi,

I always just use alt+F4 on the desktop. Quick and painless LOL!

David Moore (win10 list moderator)





From: Quentin Christensen <mailto:quentin@...>

Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 10:26 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 Anniversary Update



That's right, you Windows+x then u then u also works.



On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 12:25 PM, Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:

Oh okay. Sometimes I use the start to shut down. Or the desktop. So,
Now
if
I ever ended up with ten. I can do windows x and the letter u twice?
I’ll
probably use the alt f 4 on the desk top.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Quentin
Christensen
Sent: July-25-16 7:22 PM


To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 Anniversary Update



Hi Arlene,



Yes as you are doing now will work exactly the same in Windows 10.
It's
only if you access shut down from the Start menu that it's in a
different
place.



On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 12:20 PM, Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:

Hi, I'd just do windows m like I do now then alt f 4 and enter!


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: July-25-16 5:48 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 Anniversary Update

Hi, Quentin,

The easiest way for me to shut down is to go to the desktop, hit alt
F-4
and
hit enter. I also like the windows X, u and u keystroke too. It's
similar to
how you'd shut down in windows XP.

Rosemarie

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Quentin
Christensen
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 4:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 Anniversary Update

Hi Steve,

To be honest, one of the biggest changes I have found, is that the
start
menu is now three columns wide.  The left column has user account /
file
explorer / settings / power, the middle column has recent apps then all
apps
(first letter navigation jumps straight to first app of that letter in
full
apps list), and the right column has the windows 8 style tiles.  You
can
still only pin to the right column but at least you can press the
context
menu to get recent files for any program there now which is nice.

What annoys me is that to shut down from here involves:
1. Windows
2. tab (takes you to the left column first, if you'd press down arrow
you'd
have started moving down the middle app list column).
3. down arrow four times.
4. enter
5. down arrow
6. enter.

If you want to do it quicker, you can press WINDOWS+X , press U then U
again, or windows+m to go to desktop then alt+f4, or just press the
power
button on your machine (I know that last one is easiest of all, I've
just
never got into the habit of doing it as that used to be strongly
avoided
due
to data loss :)

There's a new dark mode which you can get to without a registry hack
now
which affects mostly just settings but does make it a bit easier for
some.

Regards

Quentin.

On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 1:39 AM, Steve Hoad <mainefun40@...
<mailto:mainefun40@...> > wrote:


       This is a major update for Windows 10 being released August 2.
I
know
       the update is out in Beta and many features have been changing
since
       the earliest release.  Since these updates load automatically,
are
       there things we should be aware of as NVDA users?
       Here's an article from "The Verge" released Monday July 25 at
about
9 A.m. EDT.



http://www.theverge.com/2016/7/25/12269736/microsoft-windows-10-anniversary-update-features-review

       --
        Steve Hoad








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Warm Regards
Bhavya Shah
Using NVDA (Non Visual Desktop Access) free and open source screen
reader for Microsoft Windows
To download a copy of the free screen reader NVDA, please visit
http://www.nvaccess.org/
Using Google Talkback on Motorolla G second generation Lollipop 5.0.2
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Training Material Developer
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Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org
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Warm Regards
Bhavya Shah
Using NVDA (Non Visual Desktop Access) free and open source screen
reader for Microsoft Windows
To download a copy of the free screen reader NVDA, please visit
http://www.nvaccess.org/
Using Google Talkback on Motorolla G second generation Lollipop 5.0.2
Reach me through the following means:
Mobile: +91 7506221750
E-mail id: bhavya.shah125@...
Skype id : bhavya.09




Re: can't go back to the inbox in thunderbird

Ron Canazzi
 

To close any window in Firefox or Thunderbird, press control + W.

On 7/27/2016 12:33 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, Jacob,

When I went into thunderbird, I was taken to the add-ons manager instead of
the inbox. What do I do to get back to the inbox tab?



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jacob
Kruger
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2016 9:18 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] can't go back to the inbox in thunderbird

I open my messages in a new window to read them, and thus when I close that
window, it just goes back to message listing.




Under tools menu, options, select display from list in window that comes up,
and tab over to a set of radio buttons for open messages in - and, think
also turned off any form of preview pane somewhere, but, can't remember
exactly.




Stay well, and HTH




Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."
On 2016-07-27 5:58 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:


Hi, everyone,



After reading a message in thunderbird, I couldn't go back to the
inbox. I even tried to end the task with the task manager but to no avail.
What could be going on?



Thanks for your help in advance.



Rosemarie










--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: can't go back to the inbox in thunderbird

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Ron,


I do have the message pane checked but I still can't go back to the inbox like I used to be able to do.


Rosemarie




On 7/27/2016 9:33 AM, Ron Canazzi wrote:

Hi Group,


In Thunderbird, the preview pain setting is under view/layout and is referred to as 'message pane.'  The hot key is F8, but you should check it first under view/layout and if it is not checked then it is not present and pressing F8 would turn it on causing problems.



On 7/27/2016 12:17 PM, Jacob Kruger wrote:

I open my messages in a new window to read them, and thus when I close that window, it just goes back to message listing.


Under tools menu, options, select display from list in window that comes up, and tab over to a set of radio buttons for open messages in - and, think also turned off any form of preview pane somewhere, but, can't remember exactly.


Stay well, and HTH


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."
On 2016-07-27 5:58 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

Hi, everyone,

 

After reading a message in thunderbird, I couldn't go back to the inbox. I even tried to end the task with the task manager but to no avail. What could be going on?

 

Thanks for your help in advance.

 

Rosemarie

 

 



--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: can't go back to the inbox in thunderbird

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Group,


In Thunderbird, the preview pain setting is under view/layout and is referred to as 'message pane.'  The hot key is F8, but you should check it first under view/layout and if it is not checked then it is not present and pressing F8 would turn it on causing problems.



On 7/27/2016 12:17 PM, Jacob Kruger wrote:

I open my messages in a new window to read them, and thus when I close that window, it just goes back to message listing.


Under tools menu, options, select display from list in window that comes up, and tab over to a set of radio buttons for open messages in - and, think also turned off any form of preview pane somewhere, but, can't remember exactly.


Stay well, and HTH


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."
On 2016-07-27 5:58 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

Hi, everyone,

 

After reading a message in thunderbird, I couldn't go back to the inbox. I even tried to end the task with the task manager but to no avail. What could be going on?

 

Thanks for your help in advance.

 

Rosemarie

 

 



--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: can't go back to the inbox in thunderbird

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Jacob,

When I went into thunderbird, I was taken to the add-ons manager instead of
the inbox. What do I do to get back to the inbox tab?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jacob
Kruger
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2016 9:18 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] can't go back to the inbox in thunderbird

I open my messages in a new window to read them, and thus when I close that
window, it just goes back to message listing.




Under tools menu, options, select display from list in window that comes up,
and tab over to a set of radio buttons for open messages in - and, think
also turned off any form of preview pane somewhere, but, can't remember
exactly.




Stay well, and HTH




Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."
On 2016-07-27 5:58 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:


Hi, everyone,



After reading a message in thunderbird, I couldn't go back to the
inbox. I even tried to end the task with the task manager but to no avail.
What could be going on?



Thanks for your help in advance.



Rosemarie


Re: NVDA and Outlook message status

Christo de Klerk
 

I actually thought there is an icon in front of each message in the Inbox message list which indicates whether a message is unread, read, replied or forwarded and another showing that the message has an attachment. I assumed that Jaws and Window-Eyes interpreted these icons correctly and would then speak the appropriate status when you arrow up and down the message list, whereas NVDA does not interpret all correctly. NVDA indicates unread messages, but does not say that a message has been forwarded, neither, if memory serves, if a message has been replied to. In other words, I think this is probably an NVDA issue rather than an Outlook issue.

Kind regards

Christo

On 2016/07/27 5:27 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
This is a peculiarity with Outlook (or at least Outlook 2010, which I think has been carried over). Virtually every e-mail client or web interface prefixes a forwarded message subject with either "Fwd:" or "FW:" and that gets read when going through the message list.

Outlook strips that from the message subject and I have yet to figure out how to make it stop doing that. I have just posted a question to answers.microsoft.com and hope to learn more about how this might be changed back to the more conventional behavior where the forward and reply indicator text is left in place on the subject display.

I haven't used Outlook on a regular basis in years and hadn't realized it did this until I fired up my copy of Outlook 2010 to take a look at what is happening.


Re: Accessible radio player software for windows?

Gene
 

Tapin Radio is a good program. Unfortunately, such programs may not have access to as many stations as previously.  I saw something on a list I follow indicating that there is something about rights management and many stations are no longer accessible to such programs.  for some reason, they are restricting their streams to use from their web sites.  I've only seen one comment about this and I'm not saying it is reliable information but such players may not be as useful as previously. 
 
Gene 

----- Original Message -----
From: Mert Anlar
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2016 10:37 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible radio player software for windows?

Hi,
I prefer you to use TapinRadio. i'm using it for a long ago, also it's
accessible
Best wishes, Mert Anlar
On July 27 2016 at 18:15, Matt Turner wrote:
> Hi, subject says it all.
>
> Any one no of any good ones?
>
>
>
>




Re: can't go back to the inbox in thunderbird

Jacob Kruger
 

I open my messages in a new window to read them, and thus when I close that window, it just goes back to message listing.


Under tools menu, options, select display from list in window that comes up, and tab over to a set of radio buttons for open messages in - and, think also turned off any form of preview pane somewhere, but, can't remember exactly.


Stay well, and HTH


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."
On 2016-07-27 5:58 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

Hi, everyone,

 

After reading a message in thunderbird, I couldn't go back to the inbox. I even tried to end the task with the task manager but to no avail. What could be going on?

 

Thanks for your help in advance.

 

Rosemarie

 

 



Re: Accessible radio player software for windows?

Jacob Kruger
 

TapIn radio is something have been using for a while:

http://www.raimersoft.com/tapinradio.aspx


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2016-07-27 5:15 PM, Matt Turner wrote:
Hi, subject says it all.

Any one no of any good ones?





Windows 10 Upgrade?

David Russell
 

Hi NVDA group,

I currently have Win7 on my computer, but am noticing the frequency of
upgrade to win10 is occurring more often during the day. My questions
are these:
-If I select yes, will it write over Win7 or somehow make win7 disabled?

-Will "all programs" currently accessed be moved to function in win10?

-How do I tell if the version upgrade is 32-bit or 64-bit? I do have
the latest version of NVDA running.

Thanks for the help which will lead me to move or not move.
Regards,
--
David Russell
david.sonofhashem@gmail.com
Character consists of what you do on the third and fourth tries.
James A. Michener


can't go back to the inbox in thunderbird

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, everyone,

 

After reading a message in thunderbird, I couldn't go back to the inbox. I even tried to end the task with the task manager but to no avail. What could be going on?

 

Thanks for your help in advance.

 

Rosemarie

 

 


Re: Accessible radio player software for windows?

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I don't know of any.

On 7/27/2016 8:15 AM, Matt Turner wrote:
Hi, subject says it all.

Any one no of any good ones?



Re: Windows 10 Anniversary Update

Gene
 

A small number of machines need to see a monitor or they won't boot.  Im not sure if the monitor needs to be on but it needs to see one connected, if not on.  I've seen this discussed many years ago on another list.  I expect that this has nothing to do with Windows 10.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2016 4:52 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 Anniversary Update

Hang on a moment, none of my machines have a monitor and I've had no issues
with previous operating systems at all. are we saying here that the windows
10 anniversary edition will sit and sulk if it has no monitor connected.
This would be very inconvenient!
 Brian

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Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Quentin Christensen" <quentin@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2016 2:36 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 Anniversary Update


Hi Bhavya,

The new colour option doesn't allow for complete dimming of the screen.  If
you are using a desktop, you should be able to simply leave the monitor off
(although my PC looks for the monitor connection and won't start if it
doesn't detect that the monitor is already on (which is quite annoying as
the monitor actually is on, it just takes a second or so to come on).  If
you are using a laptop, you might try pressing WINDOWS+P to "Project" the
screen and choose "Second screen only" to in effect turn off your main
screen.

So what the new colour option does is simply make the Windows settings
display with white text on a black background rather than black text on
white, which is the default for most things.

You can set it in the windows options (WINDOWS+i), choose personalisation,
then colours then "Choose your app mode" and set it to "Dark" rather than
"Light".

Regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Jul 27, 2016 at 11:28 AM, Bhavya shah <bhavya.shah125@...>
wrote:

> Hi Quentin,
> Could you elaborate a bit on the dark mode you were talking about?
> Does it permit complete dimming of the screen?
> Albert,
> Thanks for the instructions - one thing I learnt was that Ctrl + Space
> is used to unselected something. Previously, I always used to create a
> random folder and then delete it to have focus on nothing, to be able
> to get to the New submenu on the Desktop.
> Thanks.
>
> On 7/27/16, Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:
> > Then, if I have to upgrade to ten. That’s what I’ll do. Alt f 4 from the
> > desktop.
> >
> >
> >
> > From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
> David
> > Moore
> > Sent: July-25-16 10:20 PM
> > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> > Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 Anniversary Update
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I always just use alt+F4 on the desktop. Quick and painless LOL!
> >
> > David Moore (win10 list moderator)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Quentin Christensen <mailto:quentin@...>
> >
> > Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 10:26 PM
> >
> > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> >
> > Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 Anniversary Update
> >
> >
> >
> > That's right, you Windows+x then u then u also works.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 12:25 PM, Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:
> >
> > Oh okay. Sometimes I use the start to shut down. Or the desktop. So, Now
> if
> > I ever ended up with ten. I can do windows x and the letter u twice? I’ll
> > probably use the alt f 4 on the desk top.
> >
> >
> >
> > From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
> Quentin
> > Christensen
> > Sent: July-25-16 7:22 PM
> >
> >
> > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> > Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 Anniversary Update
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Arlene,
> >
> >
> >
> > Yes as you are doing now will work exactly the same in Windows 10.  It's
> > only if you access shut down from the Start menu that it's in a
> > different
> > place.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 12:20 PM, Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi, I'd just do windows m like I do now then alt f 4 and enter!
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
> > Rosemarie Chavarria
> > Sent: July-25-16 5:48 PM
> > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> > Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 Anniversary Update
> >
> > Hi, Quentin,
> >
> > The easiest way for me to shut down is to go to the desktop, hit alt F-4
> and
> > hit enter. I also like the windows X, u and u keystroke too. It's
> similar to
> > how you'd shut down in windows XP.
> >
> > Rosemarie
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
> Quentin
> > Christensen
> > Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 4:26 PM
> > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> > Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 Anniversary Update
> >
> > Hi Steve,
> >
> > To be honest, one of the biggest changes I have found, is that the start
> > menu is now three columns wide.  The left column has user account / file
> > explorer / settings / power, the middle column has recent apps then all
> apps
> > (first letter navigation jumps straight to first app of that letter in
> full
> > apps list), and the right column has the windows 8 style tiles.  You can
> > still only pin to the right column but at least you can press the
> > context
> > menu to get recent files for any program there now which is nice.
> >
> > What annoys me is that to shut down from here involves:
> > 1. Windows
> > 2. tab (takes you to the left column first, if you'd press down arrow
> you'd
> > have started moving down the middle app list column).
> > 3. down arrow four times.
> > 4. enter
> > 5. down arrow
> > 6. enter.
> >
> > If you want to do it quicker, you can press WINDOWS+X , press U then U
> > again, or windows+m to go to desktop then alt+f4, or just press the
> > power
> > button on your machine (I know that last one is easiest of all, I've
> > just
> > never got into the habit of doing it as that used to be strongly avoided
> due
> > to data loss :)
> >
> > There's a new dark mode which you can get to without a registry hack now
> > which affects mostly just settings but does make it a bit easier for
> some.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Quentin.
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 1:39 AM, Steve Hoad <mainefun40@...
> > <mailto:mainefun40@...> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >         This is a major update for Windows 10 being released August 2.
> > I
> > know
> >         the update is out in Beta and many features have been changing
> > since
> >         the earliest release.  Since these updates load automatically,
> are
> >         there things we should be aware of as NVDA users?
> >         Here's an article from "The Verge" released Monday July 25 at
> about
> > 9 A.m. EDT.
> >
> >
> >
> http://www.theverge.com/2016/7/25/12269736/microsoft-windows-10-anniversary-update-features-review
> >
> >         --
> >          Steve Hoad
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Quentin Christensen
> > Training Material Developer
> > Basic Training for NVDA E-Book now available:
> http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
> >
> >
> > Ph +61 7 3149 3306 <tel:%2B61%207%203149%203306>
> > <tel:%2B61%207%203149%203306>
> > Direct: +61 413 904 383 <tel:%2B61%20413%20904%20383>
> > www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org/>
> > Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
> > Twitter: @NVAccess
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Quentin Christensen
> > Training Material Developer
> >
> > Basic Training for NVDA E-Book now available:
> http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
> >
> >
> >
> > Ph  <tel:%2B61%207%203149%203306> +61 7 3149 3306
> >
> > Direct: +61 413 904 383 <tel:%2B61%20413%20904%20383>
> >  <http://www.nvaccess.org/> www.nvaccess.org
> > Facebook:  <http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess>
> > http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
> > Twitter: @NVAccess
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Quentin Christensen
> > Training Material Developer
> >
> > Basic Training for NVDA E-Book now available:
> http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
> >
> >
> >
> > Ph  <tel:%2B61%207%203149%203306> +61 7 3149 3306
> >
> > Direct: +61 413 904 383
> >  <http://www.nvaccess.org/> www.nvaccess.org
> > Facebook:  <http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess>
> > http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
> > Twitter: @NVAccess
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Warm Regards
> Bhavya Shah
> Using NVDA (Non Visual Desktop Access) free and open source screen
> reader for Microsoft Windows
> To download a copy of the free screen reader NVDA, please visit
> http://www.nvaccess.org/
> Using Google Talkback on Motorolla G second generation Lollipop 5.0.2
> Reach me through the following means:
> Mobile: +91 7506221750
> E-mail id: bhavya.shah125@...
> Skype id : bhavya.09
>
>
>
>


--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA E-Book now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Ph +61 7 3149 3306
Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess




Re: Accessible radio player software for windows?

Mert Anlar
 

Hi,
I prefer you to use TapinRadio. i'm using it for a long ago, also it's accessible
Best wishes, Mert Anlar

On July 27 2016 at 18:15, Matt Turner wrote:
Hi, subject says it all.

Any one no of any good ones?



reading objects in Microsoft Word

Kevin Huber
 

Hi:

I have a Microsoft Word document which contains a couple of boxes tha
contain text. I am able to read the contents of these boxes using
Window-eyes but I do not no how to read these boxes using NVDA.
Is there a way to do this?
Kevin Huber


Re: NVDA and Outlook message status

 

This is a peculiarity with Outlook (or at least Outlook 2010, which I think has been carried over).  Virtually every e-mail client or web interface prefixes a forwarded message subject with either "Fwd:" or "FW:" and that gets read when going through the message list.

Outlook strips that from the message subject and I have yet to figure out how to make it stop doing that.  I have just posted a question to answers.microsoft.com and hope to learn more about how this might be changed back to the more conventional behavior where the forward and reply indicator text is left in place on the subject display.

I haven't used Outlook on a regular basis in years and hadn't realized it did this until I fired up my copy of Outlook 2010 to take a look at what is happening. 
--
Brian

I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up.

         ~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"

    



Accessible radio player software for windows?

Matt Turner
 

Hi, subject says it all.

Any one no of any good ones?


Re: Windows 10 Anniversary Update

Bhavya shah
 

Hi Quentin,
Thanks for the detailed explanation. One of the critical deficiencies
I found in Windows 10 was non-functionality of the second screen only
technique. It works perfectly well on Windows 8.1, and therefore I was
compelled to roll back. Appreciate all the informative content though.
Thanks.

On 7/27/16, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
Hang on a moment, none of my machines have a monitor and I've had no issues

with previous operating systems at all. are we saying here that the windows

10 anniversary edition will sit and sulk if it has no monitor connected.
This would be very inconvenient!
Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Quentin Christensen" <quentin@nvaccess.org>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2016 2:36 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 Anniversary Update


Hi Bhavya,

The new colour option doesn't allow for complete dimming of the screen. If
you are using a desktop, you should be able to simply leave the monitor off
(although my PC looks for the monitor connection and won't start if it
doesn't detect that the monitor is already on (which is quite annoying as
the monitor actually is on, it just takes a second or so to come on). If
you are using a laptop, you might try pressing WINDOWS+P to "Project" the
screen and choose "Second screen only" to in effect turn off your main
screen.

So what the new colour option does is simply make the Windows settings
display with white text on a black background rather than black text on
white, which is the default for most things.

You can set it in the windows options (WINDOWS+i), choose personalisation,
then colours then "Choose your app mode" and set it to "Dark" rather than
"Light".

Regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Jul 27, 2016 at 11:28 AM, Bhavya shah <bhavya.shah125@gmail.com>
wrote:

Hi Quentin,
Could you elaborate a bit on the dark mode you were talking about?
Does it permit complete dimming of the screen?
Albert,
Thanks for the instructions - one thing I learnt was that Ctrl + Space
is used to unselected something. Previously, I always used to create a
random folder and then delete it to have focus on nothing, to be able
to get to the New submenu on the Desktop.
Thanks.

On 7/27/16, Arlene <nedster66@gmail.com> wrote:
Then, if I have to upgrade to ten. That’s what I’ll do. Alt f 4 from
the
desktop.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
David
Moore
Sent: July-25-16 10:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 Anniversary Update



Hi,

I always just use alt+F4 on the desktop. Quick and painless LOL!

David Moore (win10 list moderator)





From: Quentin Christensen <mailto:quentin@nvaccess.org>

Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 10:26 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 Anniversary Update



That's right, you Windows+x then u then u also works.



On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 12:25 PM, Arlene <nedster66@gmail.com> wrote:

Oh okay. Sometimes I use the start to shut down. Or the desktop. So,
Now
if
I ever ended up with ten. I can do windows x and the letter u twice?
I’ll
probably use the alt f 4 on the desk top.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Quentin
Christensen
Sent: July-25-16 7:22 PM


To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 Anniversary Update



Hi Arlene,



Yes as you are doing now will work exactly the same in Windows 10.
It's
only if you access shut down from the Start menu that it's in a
different
place.



On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 12:20 PM, Arlene <nedster66@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi, I'd just do windows m like I do now then alt f 4 and enter!


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: July-25-16 5:48 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 Anniversary Update

Hi, Quentin,

The easiest way for me to shut down is to go to the desktop, hit alt
F-4
and
hit enter. I also like the windows X, u and u keystroke too. It's
similar to
how you'd shut down in windows XP.

Rosemarie

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Quentin
Christensen
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 4:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 Anniversary Update

Hi Steve,

To be honest, one of the biggest changes I have found, is that the
start
menu is now three columns wide. The left column has user account /
file
explorer / settings / power, the middle column has recent apps then all
apps
(first letter navigation jumps straight to first app of that letter in
full
apps list), and the right column has the windows 8 style tiles. You
can
still only pin to the right column but at least you can press the
context
menu to get recent files for any program there now which is nice.

What annoys me is that to shut down from here involves:
1. Windows
2. tab (takes you to the left column first, if you'd press down arrow
you'd
have started moving down the middle app list column).
3. down arrow four times.
4. enter
5. down arrow
6. enter.

If you want to do it quicker, you can press WINDOWS+X , press U then U
again, or windows+m to go to desktop then alt+f4, or just press the
power
button on your machine (I know that last one is easiest of all, I've
just
never got into the habit of doing it as that used to be strongly
avoided
due
to data loss :)

There's a new dark mode which you can get to without a registry hack
now
which affects mostly just settings but does make it a bit easier for
some.

Regards

Quentin.

On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 1:39 AM, Steve Hoad <mainefun40@gmail.com
<mailto:mainefun40@gmail.com> > wrote:


This is a major update for Windows 10 being released August 2.
I
know
the update is out in Beta and many features have been changing
since
the earliest release. Since these updates load automatically,
are
there things we should be aware of as NVDA users?
Here's an article from "The Verge" released Monday July 25 at
about
9 A.m. EDT.


http://www.theverge.com/2016/7/25/12269736/microsoft-windows-10-anniversary-update-features-review

--
Steve Hoad








--

Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA E-Book now available:
http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/


Ph +61 7 3149 3306 <tel:%2B61%207%203149%203306>
<tel:%2B61%207%203149%203306>
Direct: +61 413 904 383 <tel:%2B61%20413%20904%20383>
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Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess















--

Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer

Basic Training for NVDA E-Book now available:
http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/



Ph <tel:%2B61%207%203149%203306> +61 7 3149 3306

Direct: +61 413 904 383 <tel:%2B61%20413%20904%20383>
<http://www.nvaccess.org/> www.nvaccess.org
Facebook: <http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess>
http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess







--

Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer

Basic Training for NVDA E-Book now available:
http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/



Ph <tel:%2B61%207%203149%203306> +61 7 3149 3306

Direct: +61 413 904 383
<http://www.nvaccess.org/> www.nvaccess.org
Facebook: <http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess>
http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess




--
Warm Regards
Bhavya Shah
Using NVDA (Non Visual Desktop Access) free and open source screen
reader for Microsoft Windows
To download a copy of the free screen reader NVDA, please visit
http://www.nvaccess.org/
Using Google Talkback on Motorolla G second generation Lollipop 5.0.2
Reach me through the following means:
Mobile: +91 7506221750
E-mail id: bhavya.shah125@gmail.com
Skype id : bhavya.09




--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA E-Book now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Ph +61 7 3149 3306
Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess




--
Warm Regards
Bhavya Shah
Using NVDA (Non Visual Desktop Access) free and open source screen
reader for Microsoft Windows
To download a copy of the free screen reader NVDA, please visit
http://www.nvaccess.org/
Using Google Talkback on Motorolla G second generation Lollipop 5.0.2
Reach me through the following means:
Mobile: +91 7506221750
E-mail id: bhavya.shah125@gmail.com
Skype id : bhavya.09


Re: facebook messenger with nvda:

Davy Cuppens
 

Hi
 
Try the app miranda NG if you get it to work, some do and some don’t. For a reason I don’t understand myself, I couldn’t get it to work till last month, works pretty well.
 

Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2016 5:46 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] facebook messenger with nvda:
 
Hi,
I experimented with Messenger.com,
and I like The Mobile site of Facebook much better. It is much more straight forward, and you can just enter on the link of a friend, send them a message, and press enter. Then, you can just go back to the list of friends, and message another person. Messenger did not work that well with NVDA for me.
David Moore
 
 
 
                Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 11:20 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] facebook messenger with nvda:
 
Hi All,
I’d like to know what’s the diference between using messanger from the facebook mobile website and this one. I actualy find it a bit les accesible than facebook mobile. It doesnt read the list of conversations at all... If you could clear my doute I’ll appreciate it.
Kind regards,
 
Fernando Apan.
 
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 6:11 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] facebook messenger with nvda:
 

If you want to use fb messenger then I recommend you to use through web. Just go to messenger.com, sign in with your fb account and enjoy!

On July 24, 2016 2:40:12 PM "Davy Cuppens" <davycuppens@...> wrote:

Hi
 
It does not work at all. The most win10 apps are not accessible to screenreaders. If you have problems with that, inform microsoft.
 
Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2016 9:19 AM
Subject: [nvda] facebook messenger with nvda:
 

Hi How well does the facebook messenber app work with nvda? I thought about downloading it from the windows store on my pc, but was wondering if the accessibility issues were fixed yet.

Kenny Peyatt jr.

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