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Re: Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.3 #addonrelease

Gary Metzler
 

Hi Joseph,

 

I did a repair last night but,it didn’t help.  Thanks for all your help.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Friday, November 29, 2019 4:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.3 #AddonRelease

 

Hi,

Yep, this confirms the suspicion that somehow NVDA is told to run in compatibility mode when installed. If removing and reinstalling NVDA from scratch (including via portable copy) doesn’t work, chances are that this might be a registry issue that is way beyond our control. The most effective way to resolve this (apart from changing compatibility mode settings, which might be something not many people are familiar with) is a non-destructive Windows 10 reinstall using Media Creation Tool for Version 1909. Failing that, a reset might be in order (you must reinstall desktop apps including NVDA if you decide to go down this path).
Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Friday, November 29, 2019 12:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.3 #AddonRelease

 

Hi Joseph,

 

I ran the portable copy and installed from there but, I still get version 8 .

 

Here is the log:

 

INFO - __main__ (15:33:23.819):

Starting NVDA

INFO - core.main (15:33:24.457):

Config dir: C:\Users\Owner\AppData\Roaming\nvda

INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (15:33:24.457):

Loading config: C:\Users\Owner\AppData\Roaming\nvda\nvda.ini

INFO - core.main (15:33:24.829):

NVDA version 2019.2.1

INFO - core.main (15:33:24.829):

Using Windows version 6.2.9200 workstation

INFO - core.main (15:33:24.829):

Using Python version 2.7.16 (v2.7.16:413a49145e, Mar  4 2019, 01:30:55) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)]

INFO - core.main (15:33:24.829):

Using comtypes version 1.1.7

INFO - core.main (15:33:24.829):

Using configobj version 5.1.0 with validate version 1.0.1

DEBUGWARNING - touchHandler.touchSupported (15:33:25.956):

No touch devices found

DEBUGWARNING - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver._isVoiceValid (15:33:28.309):

Could not open registry key HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Speech_OneCore\Voices\Tokens\MSTTS_V110_enGB_GeorgeM, WindowsError(2, 'The system cannot find the file specified')

DEBUGWARNING - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver._isVoiceValid (15:33:28.309):

Could not open registry key HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Speech_OneCore\Voices\Tokens\MSTTS_V110_enGB_SusanM, WindowsError(2, 'The system cannot find the file specified')

DEBUGWARNING - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver._isVoiceValid (15:33:28.309):

Could not open registry key HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Speech_OneCore\Voices\Tokens\MSTTS_V110_enGB_HazelM, WindowsError(2, 'The system cannot find the file specified')

INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (15:33:28.362):

Loaded synthDriver oneCore

DEBUGWARNING - core.main (15:33:28.362):

Slow starting core (6.32 sec)

DEBUGWARNING - characterProcessing._getSpeechSymbolsForLocale (15:33:28.362):

No CLDR data for locale en_US

INFO - core.main (15:33:28.980):

Using wx version 4.0.3 msw (phoenix) wxWidgets 3.0.5

INFO - brailleInput.initialize (15:33:28.980):

Braille input initialized

INFO - braille.initialize (15:33:28.980):

Using liblouis version 3.10.0

INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (15:33:28.996):

Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0 cells.

INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (15:33:29.346):

UIAutomation: IUIAutomation6

DEBUGWARNING - inputCore.InputManager.loadLocaleGestureMap (15:33:29.818):

No locale gesture map for language en

DEBUGWARNING - touchHandler.touchSupported (15:33:29.947):

No touch devices found

DEBUGWARNING - Python warning (15:33:34.384):

C:\Users\Owner\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\remote\globalPlugins\remoteClient\configuration.py:5: DeprecationWarning: Importing validate directly is deprecated. Please use configobj.validate instead

INFO - core.main (15:33:34.607):

NVDA initialized

DEBUGWARNING - watchdog._watcher (15:34:17.881):

Trying to recover from freeze, core stack:

  File "nvda.pyw", line 231, in <module>

  File "core.pyo", line 519, in main

  File "wx\core.pyo", line 2134, in MainLoop

  File "gui\__init__.pyo", line 1003, in Notify

  File "core.pyo", line 490, in run

  File "queueHandler.pyo", line 86, in pumpAll

  File "queueHandler.pyo", line 53, in flushQueue

  File "eventHandler.pyo", line 62, in _queueEventCallback

  File "eventHandler.pyo", line 150, in executeEvent

  File "eventHandler.pyo", line 163, in doPreGainFocus

  File "api.pyo", line 107, in setFocusObject

  File "baseObject.pyo", line 47, in __get__

  File "baseObject.pyo", line 147, in _getPropertyViaCache

  File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyo", line 501, in _get_container

  File "baseObject.pyo", line 47, in __get__

  File "baseObject.pyo", line 147, in _getPropertyViaCache

  File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyo", line 962, in _get_parent

  File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyo", line 78, in __call__

  File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyo", line 649, in __init__

  File "comtypes\__init__.pyo", line 1160, in QueryInterface

 

ERROR - RPC process 3228 (nvda_slave.exe) (15:34:20.319):

__main__.main:

slave error

Traceback (most recent call last):

  File "nvda_slave.pyw", line 93, in main

  File "comHelper.pyo", line 22, in _lresultFromGetActiveObject

  File "comtypes\client\__init__.pyo", line 180, in GetActiveObject

  File "comtypes\__init__.pyo", line 1247, in GetActiveObject

  File "_ctypes/callproc.c", line 946, in GetResult

WindowsError: [Error -2147221021] Operation unavailable

DEBUGWARNING - Python warning (15:34:20.404):

C:\Program Files (x86)\NVDA\library.zip\api.py:274: DeprecationWarning: Yield() is deprecated

DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole (15:34:21.678):

accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'The parameter is incorrect.', (None, None, None, 0, None))

DEBUGWARNING - Python warning (15:35:48.522):

C:\Program Files (x86)\NVDA\library.zip\keyboardHandler.py:528: DeprecationWarning: Yield() is deprecated

INFO - globalCommands.GlobalCommands.script_navigatorObject_devInfo (15:35:58.546):

Developer info for navigator object:

name: u'Message'

role: ROLE_EDITABLETEXT

states: STATE_FOCUSABLE, STATE_MULTILINE, STATE_FOCUSED

isFocusable: True

hasFocus: True

Python object: <nvdaBuiltin.appModules.outlook.OutlookWordDocument object at 0x0A624ED0>

Python class mro: (<class 'nvdaBuiltin.appModules.outlook.OutlookWordDocument'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.IAccessible.winword.WordDocument'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.behaviors.EditableTextWithoutAutoSelectDetection'>, <class 'editableText.EditableTextWithoutAutoSelectDetection'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.behaviors.EditableText'>, <class 'editableText.EditableText'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.window.winword.WordDocument'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.window.Window'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObject'>, <class 'documentBase.TextContainerObject'>, <class 'baseObject.ScriptableObject'>, <class 'baseObject.AutoPropertyObject'>, <type 'object'>)

description: None

location: RectLTWH(left=7, top=252, width=1569, height=600)

value: None

appModule: <'outlook' (appName u'outlook', process ID 1536) at address a5e55f0>

appModule.productName: u'Microsoft Outlook'

appModule.productVersion: u'16.0.12130.20390'

TextInfo: <class 'NVDAObjects.window.winword.WordDocumentTextInfo'>

windowHandle: 787432

windowClassName: u'_WwG'

windowControlID: 0

windowStyle: 1442840576

extendedWindowStyle: 16

windowThreadID: 3532

windowText: u'Message'

displayText: u''

IAccessibleObject: <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x5f6b2a8 at a5d1170>

IAccessibleChildID: 0

IAccessible event parameters: windowHandle=787432, objectID=-4, childID=0

IAccessible accName: u'Message'

IAccessible accRole: ROLE_SYSTEM_CLIENT

IAccessible accState: STATE_SYSTEM_FOCUSED, STATE_SYSTEM_FOCUSABLE, STATE_SYSTEM_VALID (1048580)

IAccessible accDescription: None

IAccessible accValue: None

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Friday, November 29, 2019 1:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.3 #AddonRelease

 

Hi,

Yep, sounds like the installed copy got compatibility mode set. Can you install this portable copy and see if that makes a difference? To do so, run the portable copy, then to go NVDA menu/Tools/Install. Do not check the box for copying portable config to installed version. Say “yes” when User Account Control (UAC) appears, and when “success” message shows up, press Enter to start the installed copy. Then with the installed copy running, open log viewer and send me the beginning part of the log as a reply, as it’ll confirm if indeed this resolved it or NVDA still set to run in compatibility mode.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Friday, November 29, 2019 10:51 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.3 #AddonRelease

 

Hi Joseph,

 

I created a portable copy and the windows version was 10.  Here is the log:

INFO - __main__ (13:43:37.826):

Starting NVDA

INFO - core.main (13:43:38.128):

Config dir: C:\Users\Owner\AppData\Roaming\nvda

INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (13:43:38.128):

Loading config: C:\Users\Owner\AppData\Roaming\nvda\nvda.ini

INFO - core.main (13:43:38.529):

NVDA version 2019.2.1

INFO - core.main (13:43:38.529):

Using Windows version 10.0.18363 workstation

INFO - core.main (13:43:38.529):

Using Python version 2.7.16 (v2.7.16:413a49145e, Mar  4 2019, 01:30:55) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)]

INFO - core.main (13:43:38.529):

Using comtypes version 1.1.7

INFO - core.main (13:43:38.529):

Using configobj version 5.1.0 with validate version 1.0.1

DEBUGWARNING - touchHandler.touchSupported (13:43:38.809):

Touch only supported on installed copies

DEBUGWARNING - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver._isVoiceValid (13:43:39.549):

Could not open registry key HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Speech_OneCore\Voices\Tokens\MSTTS_V110_enGB_GeorgeM, WindowsError(2, 'The system cannot find the file specified')

DEBUGWARNING - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver._isVoiceValid (13:43:39.549):

Could not open registry key HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Speech_OneCore\Voices\Tokens\MSTTS_V110_enGB_SusanM, WindowsError(2, 'The system cannot find the file specified')

DEBUGWARNING - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver._isVoiceValid (13:43:39.549):

Could not open registry key HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Speech_OneCore\Voices\Tokens\MSTTS_V110_enGB_HazelM, WindowsError(2, 'The system cannot find the file specified')

INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (13:43:39.575):

Loaded synthDriver oneCore

INFO - core.main (13:43:39.575):

Using wx version 4.0.3 msw (phoenix) wxWidgets 3.0.5

INFO - brailleInput.initialize (13:43:39.579):

Braille input initialized

INFO - braille.initialize (13:43:39.585):

Using liblouis version 3.10.0

INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (13:43:39.595):

Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0 cells.

INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (13:43:39.930):

UIAutomation: IUIAutomation6

DEBUGWARNING - inputCore.InputManager.loadLocaleGestureMap (13:43:40.165):

No locale gesture map for language en

DEBUGWARNING - touchHandler.touchSupported (13:43:40.288):

Touch only supported on installed copies

DEBUGWARNING - Python warning (13:43:44.013):

C:\Users\Owner\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\remote\globalPlugins\remoteClient\configuration.py:5: DeprecationWarning: Importing validate directly is deprecated. Please use configobj.validate instead

INFO - core.main (13:43:44.352):

NVDA initialized

DEBUGWARNING - characterProcessing._getSpeechSymbolsForLocale (13:43:44.553):

No CLDR data for locale en_US

DEBUGWARNING - Python warning (13:43:45.071):

C:\Users\Owner\AppData\Local\Temp\nsc86E4.tmp\app\library.zip\api.py:274: DeprecationWarning: Yield() is deprecated

DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole (13:43:56.013):

accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'The parameter is incorrect.', (None, None, None, 0, None))

INFO - globalCommands.GlobalCommands.script_navigatorObject_devInfo (13:44:23.746):

Developer info for navigator object:

name: u'nvda_2019.2.1.exe'

role: ROLE_LISTITEM

states: STATE_FOCUSABLE, STATE_SELECTABLE, STATE_FOCUSED, STATE_SELECTED

isFocusable: True

hasFocus: True

Python object: <NVDAObjects.Dynamic_UIItemListItemUIA object at 0x055ED030>

Python class mro: (<class 'NVDAObjects.Dynamic_UIItemListItemUIA'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.UIA.UIItem'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.UIA.ListItem'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.UIA.UIA'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.window.Window'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObject'>, <class 'documentBase.TextContainerObject'>, <class 'baseObject.ScriptableObject'>, <class 'baseObject.AutoPropertyObject'>, <type 'object'>)

description: ''

location: RectLTWH(left=460, top=591, width=478, height=22)

value: ''

appModule: <'explorer' (appName u'explorer', process ID 1828) at address 501e6f0>

appModule.productName: u'Microsoft\xae Windows\xae Operating System'

appModule.productVersion: u'10.0.18362.1'

TextInfo: <class 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObjectTextInfo'>

windowHandle: 459738

windowClassName: u'DirectUIHWND'

windowControlID: 0

windowStyle: 1442840576

extendedWindowStyle: 0

windowThreadID: 728

windowText: u''

displayText: u'nvda_2019.2.1.exe  11/ 28/ 2019   6:33 PM 23,830 KB'

UIAElement: <POINTER(IUIAutomationElement) ptr=0x8d77b88 at 5597c10>

UIA automationID: 515

UIA frameworkID: DirectUI

UIA runtimeID: (1828, 254995280, 0)

UIA providerDescription: [pid:1828,providerId:0x0 Main(parent link):Unidentified Provider (unmanaged:explorerframe.dll)]

UIA className: UIItem

UIA patterns available: LegacyIAccessiblePattern, InvokePattern, ScrollItemPattern, SelectionItemPattern, ValuePattern

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2019 7:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.3 #AddonRelease

 

Hi,

If so, I’m afraid that this is beyond my area. Let’s try one more step:

  1. Download NVDA 2019.2.1.
  2. Do not install – rather, create a portable copy somewhere you can remember.
  3. Start the portable copy.
  4. With the portable copy started, press NVDA+F1 to open log viewer.
  5. Copy and paste the log up to and including the words “NVDA initialized”.

 

Paste the log fragment as a reply to this email so Quentin and I can figure out exactly what is up. If Windows version line says “10.0.18363”, chances are that it is specific to the installed version; if it says “6.2.9200”, chances are that it is unique to your computer. If so, I advise a non-destructive feature update reinstallation – download Media Creation Tool for 1909, create an ISO, open the resulting ISO file, run setup.exe, and tell the installer to upgrade while keeping everything.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2019 4:49 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.3 #AddonRelease

 

Hi Joseph,

 

I re installed nvda and did your suggestions about the add ons.  I still get version 8.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2019 12:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.3 #AddonRelease

 

Hi,

Ah, this explains it – somehow, NVDA was told to run in compatibility mode. Without intervention, Python 2.7 will assume it is running on Windows 8 when in fact you might be using Windows 10. Can you try the following for me:

  1. Restart with all add-ons disabled.
  2. Listen carefully to which synthesizer is now in use; if it is Espeak, then you will need to reinstall NVDA from scratch; if it is Windows OneCore, chances are that there might be an add-on other than Windows 10 App Essentials and Add-on Updater that messed up NVDA’s manifest information.

 

If OneCore comes up, restart NVDA with partial add-on functionality. To do so:

  1. Open Add-ons Manager (NVDA menu/Tools/Manage add-ons).
  2. Disable one add-on at a time and restart NVDA after disabling each one. Do not disable Resource Monitor as we need it to check Windows version.
  3. After disabling an add-on and restarting NVDA, press NVDA+Shift+Number row 6 to verify that you are using Windows 10.
  4. As soon as you find that NVDA says Windows 10, thee the just disabled add-on might be to blame.
  5. To verify step 4, enable all add-ons except the offending one and see if NVDA now reports itself as running on Windows 10.

 

If this does not help, reinstall NVDA from scratch.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2019 8:58 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.3 #AddonRelease

 

Hi Joseph,

 

When I press nvda shift plus 6 it says windows 8 64 bit.  I hope this helps.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2019 9:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.3 #AddonRelease

 

Hi,

You may need to manually type these lines into Python Console.

Another approach: if you have Resource Monitor (hopefully latest stable release), press NVDA+Shift+Number row 6 and see what NVDA says about Windows version.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2019 6:27 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.3 #AddonRelease

 

Hi Jacob,

 

What I did was copy and paste the lines just as Joseph typed them.

 

Jacob Kruger
+2782 413 4791
"Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2019-11-28 10:23 AM, Gary Metzler wrote:

Hi Joseph,

 

After I enter each line I get the error win version not defined.

I hope this helps.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2019 7:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.3 #AddonRelease

 

Hi,

Hmmm, you get “False” when you’ve got 1909… Let’s try this method:

 

  1. Go back to Python Console (Control+NVDA+Z).
  2. Type the following as exactly as shown (press Enter after each line and listen carefully to what NVDA says):

 

import winVersion

winVersion.winVersion

winVersion.isWin10()

winVersion.isWin10(version=1607)

winVersion.isWin10(version=1709)

winVersion.isWin10(version=1803)

winVersion.isWin10(version=1809)

 

NVDA will first announce Windows version information (major, minor, build, platform, service pack), then for each Windows 10 release we have, “True” or “False”.

Cheers,

Joseph

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2019 3:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.3 #AddonRelease

 

Hi Joseph,

 

I did what you suggested and I get a false response.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2019 6:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.3 #AddonRelease

 

Hi,

That’s strange. Let’s try:

  1. Open Python Console (Control+NVDA+Z).
  2. Type the following as exactly as I tell you:

 

import winVersion

winVersion.isWin10(version=1809)

 

Press Enter after each line. If it says “True”, then there should not be a reason for Windows 10 App Essentials to complain that you’ve got an older Windows release.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2019 3:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.3 #AddonRelease

 

Hi Joseph,

 

I got the add on manually but, when I went to install it it said I was using an older version of windows.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2019 6:14 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.3 #AddonRelease

 

Hi,

Actually, it is compatible with 1809 and later. I’m beginning to wonder if this affects anyone using Add-on Updater, and if this is the case, it isn’t Windows 10 App Essentials at all.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2019 3:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.3 #AddonRelease

 

Hi,

I think I know why – I’ll go ahead and release another version in a few moments. Sorry about that.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2019 3:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.3 #AddonRelease

 

Hi Joseph,

 

I’m sorry to say I am getting the error not compatible with this version of windows.  I am using windows 10 1909 and the latest nvda.  

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2019 2:38 PM
To: nvda-addons@nvda-addons.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.3 #AddonRelease

 

Hi all,

 

In a few moments Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.3 will be made available. This release is a localization and documentation update.

 

A few important notes:

 

  • Windows 10 20H1 is now formally known as Version 2004. Although Windows 10 App Essentials does support Version 2004, formal support won’t begin until early next year.
  • A version scheduled for early next year will retire support for EdgeHTML-based Microsoft Edge from this add-on.

 

Cheers,

Joseph

Re: Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.3 #addonrelease

 

Hi,

Yep, this confirms the suspicion that somehow NVDA is told to run in compatibility mode when installed. If removing and reinstalling NVDA from scratch (including via portable copy) doesn’t work, chances are that this might be a registry issue that is way beyond our control. The most effective way to resolve this (apart from changing compatibility mode settings, which might be something not many people are familiar with) is a non-destructive Windows 10 reinstall using Media Creation Tool for Version 1909. Failing that, a reset might be in order (you must reinstall desktop apps including NVDA if you decide to go down this path).
Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Friday, November 29, 2019 12:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.3 #AddonRelease

 

Hi Joseph,

 

I ran the portable copy and installed from there but, I still get version 8 .

 

Here is the log:

 

INFO - __main__ (15:33:23.819):

Starting NVDA

INFO - core.main (15:33:24.457):

Config dir: C:\Users\Owner\AppData\Roaming\nvda

INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (15:33:24.457):

Loading config: C:\Users\Owner\AppData\Roaming\nvda\nvda.ini

INFO - core.main (15:33:24.829):

NVDA version 2019.2.1

INFO - core.main (15:33:24.829):

Using Windows version 6.2.9200 workstation

INFO - core.main (15:33:24.829):

Using Python version 2.7.16 (v2.7.16:413a49145e, Mar  4 2019, 01:30:55) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)]

INFO - core.main (15:33:24.829):

Using comtypes version 1.1.7

INFO - core.main (15:33:24.829):

Using configobj version 5.1.0 with validate version 1.0.1

DEBUGWARNING - touchHandler.touchSupported (15:33:25.956):

No touch devices found

DEBUGWARNING - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver._isVoiceValid (15:33:28.309):

Could not open registry key HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Speech_OneCore\Voices\Tokens\MSTTS_V110_enGB_GeorgeM, WindowsError(2, 'The system cannot find the file specified')

DEBUGWARNING - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver._isVoiceValid (15:33:28.309):

Could not open registry key HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Speech_OneCore\Voices\Tokens\MSTTS_V110_enGB_SusanM, WindowsError(2, 'The system cannot find the file specified')

DEBUGWARNING - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver._isVoiceValid (15:33:28.309):

Could not open registry key HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Speech_OneCore\Voices\Tokens\MSTTS_V110_enGB_HazelM, WindowsError(2, 'The system cannot find the file specified')

INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (15:33:28.362):

Loaded synthDriver oneCore

DEBUGWARNING - core.main (15:33:28.362):

Slow starting core (6.32 sec)

DEBUGWARNING - characterProcessing._getSpeechSymbolsForLocale (15:33:28.362):

No CLDR data for locale en_US

INFO - core.main (15:33:28.980):

Using wx version 4.0.3 msw (phoenix) wxWidgets 3.0.5

INFO - brailleInput.initialize (15:33:28.980):

Braille input initialized

INFO - braille.initialize (15:33:28.980):

Using liblouis version 3.10.0

INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (15:33:28.996):

Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0 cells.

INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (15:33:29.346):

UIAutomation: IUIAutomation6

DEBUGWARNING - inputCore.InputManager.loadLocaleGestureMap (15:33:29.818):

No locale gesture map for language en

DEBUGWARNING - touchHandler.touchSupported (15:33:29.947):

No touch devices found

DEBUGWARNING - Python warning (15:33:34.384):

C:\Users\Owner\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\remote\globalPlugins\remoteClient\configuration.py:5: DeprecationWarning: Importing validate directly is deprecated. Please use configobj.validate instead

INFO - core.main (15:33:34.607):

NVDA initialized

DEBUGWARNING - watchdog._watcher (15:34:17.881):

Trying to recover from freeze, core stack:

  File "nvda.pyw", line 231, in <module>

  File "core.pyo", line 519, in main

  File "wx\core.pyo", line 2134, in MainLoop

  File "gui\__init__.pyo", line 1003, in Notify

  File "core.pyo", line 490, in run

  File "queueHandler.pyo", line 86, in pumpAll

  File "queueHandler.pyo", line 53, in flushQueue

  File "eventHandler.pyo", line 62, in _queueEventCallback

  File "eventHandler.pyo", line 150, in executeEvent

  File "eventHandler.pyo", line 163, in doPreGainFocus

  File "api.pyo", line 107, in setFocusObject

  File "baseObject.pyo", line 47, in __get__

  File "baseObject.pyo", line 147, in _getPropertyViaCache

  File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyo", line 501, in _get_container

  File "baseObject.pyo", line 47, in __get__

  File "baseObject.pyo", line 147, in _getPropertyViaCache

  File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyo", line 962, in _get_parent

  File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyo", line 78, in __call__

  File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyo", line 649, in __init__

  File "comtypes\__init__.pyo", line 1160, in QueryInterface

 

ERROR - RPC process 3228 (nvda_slave.exe) (15:34:20.319):

__main__.main:

slave error

Traceback (most recent call last):

  File "nvda_slave.pyw", line 93, in main

  File "comHelper.pyo", line 22, in _lresultFromGetActiveObject

  File "comtypes\client\__init__.pyo", line 180, in GetActiveObject

  File "comtypes\__init__.pyo", line 1247, in GetActiveObject

  File "_ctypes/callproc.c", line 946, in GetResult

WindowsError: [Error -2147221021] Operation unavailable

DEBUGWARNING - Python warning (15:34:20.404):

C:\Program Files (x86)\NVDA\library.zip\api.py:274: DeprecationWarning: Yield() is deprecated

DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole (15:34:21.678):

accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'The parameter is incorrect.', (None, None, None, 0, None))

DEBUGWARNING - Python warning (15:35:48.522):

C:\Program Files (x86)\NVDA\library.zip\keyboardHandler.py:528: DeprecationWarning: Yield() is deprecated

INFO - globalCommands.GlobalCommands.script_navigatorObject_devInfo (15:35:58.546):

Developer info for navigator object:

name: u'Message'

role: ROLE_EDITABLETEXT

states: STATE_FOCUSABLE, STATE_MULTILINE, STATE_FOCUSED

isFocusable: True

hasFocus: True

Python object: <nvdaBuiltin.appModules.outlook.OutlookWordDocument object at 0x0A624ED0>

Python class mro: (<class 'nvdaBuiltin.appModules.outlook.OutlookWordDocument'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.IAccessible.winword.WordDocument'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.behaviors.EditableTextWithoutAutoSelectDetection'>, <class 'editableText.EditableTextWithoutAutoSelectDetection'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.behaviors.EditableText'>, <class 'editableText.EditableText'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.window.winword.WordDocument'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.window.Window'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObject'>, <class 'documentBase.TextContainerObject'>, <class 'baseObject.ScriptableObject'>, <class 'baseObject.AutoPropertyObject'>, <type 'object'>)

description: None

location: RectLTWH(left=7, top=252, width=1569, height=600)

value: None

appModule: <'outlook' (appName u'outlook', process ID 1536) at address a5e55f0>

appModule.productName: u'Microsoft Outlook'

appModule.productVersion: u'16.0.12130.20390'

TextInfo: <class 'NVDAObjects.window.winword.WordDocumentTextInfo'>

windowHandle: 787432

windowClassName: u'_WwG'

windowControlID: 0

windowStyle: 1442840576

extendedWindowStyle: 16

windowThreadID: 3532

windowText: u'Message'

displayText: u''

IAccessibleObject: <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x5f6b2a8 at a5d1170>

IAccessibleChildID: 0

IAccessible event parameters: windowHandle=787432, objectID=-4, childID=0

IAccessible accName: u'Message'

IAccessible accRole: ROLE_SYSTEM_CLIENT

IAccessible accState: STATE_SYSTEM_FOCUSED, STATE_SYSTEM_FOCUSABLE, STATE_SYSTEM_VALID (1048580)

IAccessible accDescription: None

IAccessible accValue: None

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Friday, November 29, 2019 1:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.3 #AddonRelease

 

Hi,

Yep, sounds like the installed copy got compatibility mode set. Can you install this portable copy and see if that makes a difference? To do so, run the portable copy, then to go NVDA menu/Tools/Install. Do not check the box for copying portable config to installed version. Say “yes” when User Account Control (UAC) appears, and when “success” message shows up, press Enter to start the installed copy. Then with the installed copy running, open log viewer and send me the beginning part of the log as a reply, as it’ll confirm if indeed this resolved it or NVDA still set to run in compatibility mode.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Friday, November 29, 2019 10:51 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.3 #AddonRelease

 

Hi Joseph,

 

I created a portable copy and the windows version was 10.  Here is the log:

INFO - __main__ (13:43:37.826):

Starting NVDA

INFO - core.main (13:43:38.128):

Config dir: C:\Users\Owner\AppData\Roaming\nvda

INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (13:43:38.128):

Loading config: C:\Users\Owner\AppData\Roaming\nvda\nvda.ini

INFO - core.main (13:43:38.529):

NVDA version 2019.2.1

INFO - core.main (13:43:38.529):

Using Windows version 10.0.18363 workstation

INFO - core.main (13:43:38.529):

Using Python version 2.7.16 (v2.7.16:413a49145e, Mar  4 2019, 01:30:55) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)]

INFO - core.main (13:43:38.529):

Using comtypes version 1.1.7

INFO - core.main (13:43:38.529):

Using configobj version 5.1.0 with validate version 1.0.1

DEBUGWARNING - touchHandler.touchSupported (13:43:38.809):

Touch only supported on installed copies

DEBUGWARNING - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver._isVoiceValid (13:43:39.549):

Could not open registry key HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Speech_OneCore\Voices\Tokens\MSTTS_V110_enGB_GeorgeM, WindowsError(2, 'The system cannot find the file specified')

DEBUGWARNING - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver._isVoiceValid (13:43:39.549):

Could not open registry key HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Speech_OneCore\Voices\Tokens\MSTTS_V110_enGB_SusanM, WindowsError(2, 'The system cannot find the file specified')

DEBUGWARNING - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver._isVoiceValid (13:43:39.549):

Could not open registry key HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Speech_OneCore\Voices\Tokens\MSTTS_V110_enGB_HazelM, WindowsError(2, 'The system cannot find the file specified')

INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (13:43:39.575):

Loaded synthDriver oneCore

INFO - core.main (13:43:39.575):

Using wx version 4.0.3 msw (phoenix) wxWidgets 3.0.5

INFO - brailleInput.initialize (13:43:39.579):

Braille input initialized

INFO - braille.initialize (13:43:39.585):

Using liblouis version 3.10.0

INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (13:43:39.595):

Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0 cells.

INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (13:43:39.930):

UIAutomation: IUIAutomation6

DEBUGWARNING - inputCore.InputManager.loadLocaleGestureMap (13:43:40.165):

No locale gesture map for language en

DEBUGWARNING - touchHandler.touchSupported (13:43:40.288):

Touch only supported on installed copies

DEBUGWARNING - Python warning (13:43:44.013):

C:\Users\Owner\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\remote\globalPlugins\remoteClient\configuration.py:5: DeprecationWarning: Importing validate directly is deprecated. Please use configobj.validate instead

INFO - core.main (13:43:44.352):

NVDA initialized

DEBUGWARNING - characterProcessing._getSpeechSymbolsForLocale (13:43:44.553):

No CLDR data for locale en_US

DEBUGWARNING - Python warning (13:43:45.071):

C:\Users\Owner\AppData\Local\Temp\nsc86E4.tmp\app\library.zip\api.py:274: DeprecationWarning: Yield() is deprecated

DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole (13:43:56.013):

accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'The parameter is incorrect.', (None, None, None, 0, None))

INFO - globalCommands.GlobalCommands.script_navigatorObject_devInfo (13:44:23.746):

Developer info for navigator object:

name: u'nvda_2019.2.1.exe'

role: ROLE_LISTITEM

states: STATE_FOCUSABLE, STATE_SELECTABLE, STATE_FOCUSED, STATE_SELECTED

isFocusable: True

hasFocus: True

Python object: <NVDAObjects.Dynamic_UIItemListItemUIA object at 0x055ED030>

Python class mro: (<class 'NVDAObjects.Dynamic_UIItemListItemUIA'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.UIA.UIItem'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.UIA.ListItem'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.UIA.UIA'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.window.Window'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObject'>, <class 'documentBase.TextContainerObject'>, <class 'baseObject.ScriptableObject'>, <class 'baseObject.AutoPropertyObject'>, <type 'object'>)

description: ''

location: RectLTWH(left=460, top=591, width=478, height=22)

value: ''

appModule: <'explorer' (appName u'explorer', process ID 1828) at address 501e6f0>

appModule.productName: u'Microsoft\xae Windows\xae Operating System'

appModule.productVersion: u'10.0.18362.1'

TextInfo: <class 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObjectTextInfo'>

windowHandle: 459738

windowClassName: u'DirectUIHWND'

windowControlID: 0

windowStyle: 1442840576

extendedWindowStyle: 0

windowThreadID: 728

windowText: u''

displayText: u'nvda_2019.2.1.exe  11/ 28/ 2019   6:33 PM 23,830 KB'

UIAElement: <POINTER(IUIAutomationElement) ptr=0x8d77b88 at 5597c10>

UIA automationID: 515

UIA frameworkID: DirectUI

UIA runtimeID: (1828, 254995280, 0)

UIA providerDescription: [pid:1828,providerId:0x0 Main(parent link):Unidentified Provider (unmanaged:explorerframe.dll)]

UIA className: UIItem

UIA patterns available: LegacyIAccessiblePattern, InvokePattern, ScrollItemPattern, SelectionItemPattern, ValuePattern

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2019 7:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.3 #AddonRelease

 

Hi,

If so, I’m afraid that this is beyond my area. Let’s try one more step:

  1. Download NVDA 2019.2.1.
  2. Do not install – rather, create a portable copy somewhere you can remember.
  3. Start the portable copy.
  4. With the portable copy started, press NVDA+F1 to open log viewer.
  5. Copy and paste the log up to and including the words “NVDA initialized”.

 

Paste the log fragment as a reply to this email so Quentin and I can figure out exactly what is up. If Windows version line says “10.0.18363”, chances are that it is specific to the installed version; if it says “6.2.9200”, chances are that it is unique to your computer. If so, I advise a non-destructive feature update reinstallation – download Media Creation Tool for 1909, create an ISO, open the resulting ISO file, run setup.exe, and tell the installer to upgrade while keeping everything.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2019 4:49 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.3 #AddonRelease

 

Hi Joseph,

 

I re installed nvda and did your suggestions about the add ons.  I still get version 8.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2019 12:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.3 #AddonRelease

 

Hi,

Ah, this explains it – somehow, NVDA was told to run in compatibility mode. Without intervention, Python 2.7 will assume it is running on Windows 8 when in fact you might be using Windows 10. Can you try the following for me:

  1. Restart with all add-ons disabled.
  2. Listen carefully to which synthesizer is now in use; if it is Espeak, then you will need to reinstall NVDA from scratch; if it is Windows OneCore, chances are that there might be an add-on other than Windows 10 App Essentials and Add-on Updater that messed up NVDA’s manifest information.

 

If OneCore comes up, restart NVDA with partial add-on functionality. To do so:

  1. Open Add-ons Manager (NVDA menu/Tools/Manage add-ons).
  2. Disable one add-on at a time and restart NVDA after disabling each one. Do not disable Resource Monitor as we need it to check Windows version.
  3. After disabling an add-on and restarting NVDA, press NVDA+Shift+Number row 6 to verify that you are using Windows 10.
  4. As soon as you find that NVDA says Windows 10, thee the just disabled add-on might be to blame.
  5. To verify step 4, enable all add-ons except the offending one and see if NVDA now reports itself as running on Windows 10.

 

If this does not help, reinstall NVDA from scratch.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2019 8:58 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.3 #AddonRelease

 

Hi Joseph,

 

When I press nvda shift plus 6 it says windows 8 64 bit.  I hope this helps.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2019 9:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.3 #AddonRelease

 

Hi,

You may need to manually type these lines into Python Console.

Another approach: if you have Resource Monitor (hopefully latest stable release), press NVDA+Shift+Number row 6 and see what NVDA says about Windows version.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2019 6:27 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.3 #AddonRelease

 

Hi Jacob,

 

What I did was copy and paste the lines just as Joseph typed them.

 

Jacob Kruger
+2782 413 4791
"Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2019-11-28 10:23 AM, Gary Metzler wrote:

Hi Joseph,

 

After I enter each line I get the error win version not defined.

I hope this helps.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2019 7:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.3 #AddonRelease

 

Hi,

Hmmm, you get “False” when you’ve got 1909… Let’s try this method:

 

  1. Go back to Python Console (Control+NVDA+Z).
  2. Type the following as exactly as shown (press Enter after each line and listen carefully to what NVDA says):

 

import winVersion

winVersion.winVersion

winVersion.isWin10()

winVersion.isWin10(version=1607)

winVersion.isWin10(version=1709)

winVersion.isWin10(version=1803)

winVersion.isWin10(version=1809)

 

NVDA will first announce Windows version information (major, minor, build, platform, service pack), then for each Windows 10 release we have, “True” or “False”.

Cheers,

Joseph

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2019 3:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.3 #AddonRelease

 

Hi Joseph,

 

I did what you suggested and I get a false response.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2019 6:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.3 #AddonRelease

 

Hi,

That’s strange. Let’s try:

  1. Open Python Console (Control+NVDA+Z).
  2. Type the following as exactly as I tell you:

 

import winVersion

winVersion.isWin10(version=1809)

 

Press Enter after each line. If it says “True”, then there should not be a reason for Windows 10 App Essentials to complain that you’ve got an older Windows release.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2019 3:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.3 #AddonRelease

 

Hi Joseph,

 

I got the add on manually but, when I went to install it it said I was using an older version of windows.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2019 6:14 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.3 #AddonRelease

 

Hi,

Actually, it is compatible with 1809 and later. I’m beginning to wonder if this affects anyone using Add-on Updater, and if this is the case, it isn’t Windows 10 App Essentials at all.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2019 3:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.3 #AddonRelease

 

Hi,

I think I know why – I’ll go ahead and release another version in a few moments. Sorry about that.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2019 3:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.3 #AddonRelease

 

Hi Joseph,

 

I’m sorry to say I am getting the error not compatible with this version of windows.  I am using windows 10 1909 and the latest nvda.  

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2019 2:38 PM
To: nvda-addons@nvda-addons.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.3 #AddonRelease

 

Hi all,

 

In a few moments Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.3 will be made available. This release is a localization and documentation update.

 

A few important notes:

 

  • Windows 10 20H1 is now formally known as Version 2004. Although Windows 10 App Essentials does support Version 2004, formal support won’t begin until early next year.
  • A version scheduled for early next year will retire support for EdgeHTML-based Microsoft Edge from this add-on.

 

Cheers,

Joseph

Re: issue with extention confirmed

ken lawrence
 

Hi restarting NVDA doesn't work a complete shutdown doesn't work either.  the issue with explorer is one I have encluntered but this is strange winamp completely vanishes. 

Re: Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.3 #addonrelease

Gary Metzler
 

Hi Joseph,

 

I ran the portable copy and installed from there but, I still get version 8 .

 

Here is the log:

 

INFO - __main__ (15:33:23.819):

Starting NVDA

INFO - core.main (15:33:24.457):

Config dir: C:\Users\Owner\AppData\Roaming\nvda

INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (15:33:24.457):

Loading config: C:\Users\Owner\AppData\Roaming\nvda\nvda.ini

INFO - core.main (15:33:24.829):

NVDA version 2019.2.1

INFO - core.main (15:33:24.829):

Using Windows version 6.2.9200 workstation

INFO - core.main (15:33:24.829):

Using Python version 2.7.16 (v2.7.16:413a49145e, Mar  4 2019, 01:30:55) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)]

INFO - core.main (15:33:24.829):

Using comtypes version 1.1.7

INFO - core.main (15:33:24.829):

Using configobj version 5.1.0 with validate version 1.0.1

DEBUGWARNING - touchHandler.touchSupported (15:33:25.956):

No touch devices found

DEBUGWARNING - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver._isVoiceValid (15:33:28.309):

Could not open registry key HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Speech_OneCore\Voices\Tokens\MSTTS_V110_enGB_GeorgeM, WindowsError(2, 'The system cannot find the file specified')

DEBUGWARNING - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver._isVoiceValid (15:33:28.309):

Could not open registry key HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Speech_OneCore\Voices\Tokens\MSTTS_V110_enGB_SusanM, WindowsError(2, 'The system cannot find the file specified')

DEBUGWARNING - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver._isVoiceValid (15:33:28.309):

Could not open registry key HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Speech_OneCore\Voices\Tokens\MSTTS_V110_enGB_HazelM, WindowsError(2, 'The system cannot find the file specified')

INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (15:33:28.362):

Loaded synthDriver oneCore

DEBUGWARNING - core.main (15:33:28.362):

Slow starting core (6.32 sec)

DEBUGWARNING - characterProcessing._getSpeechSymbolsForLocale (15:33:28.362):

No CLDR data for locale en_US

INFO - core.main (15:33:28.980):

Using wx version 4.0.3 msw (phoenix) wxWidgets 3.0.5

INFO - brailleInput.initialize (15:33:28.980):

Braille input initialized

INFO - braille.initialize (15:33:28.980):

Using liblouis version 3.10.0

INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (15:33:28.996):

Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0 cells.

INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (15:33:29.346):

UIAutomation: IUIAutomation6

DEBUGWARNING - inputCore.InputManager.loadLocaleGestureMap (15:33:29.818):

No locale gesture map for language en

DEBUGWARNING - touchHandler.touchSupported (15:33:29.947):

No touch devices found

DEBUGWARNING - Python warning (15:33:34.384):

C:\Users\Owner\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\remote\globalPlugins\remoteClient\configuration.py:5: DeprecationWarning: Importing validate directly is deprecated. Please use configobj.validate instead

INFO - core.main (15:33:34.607):

NVDA initialized

DEBUGWARNING - watchdog._watcher (15:34:17.881):

Trying to recover from freeze, core stack:

  File "nvda.pyw", line 231, in <module>

  File "core.pyo", line 519, in main

  File "wx\core.pyo", line 2134, in MainLoop

  File "gui\__init__.pyo", line 1003, in Notify

  File "core.pyo", line 490, in run

  File "queueHandler.pyo", line 86, in pumpAll

  File "queueHandler.pyo", line 53, in flushQueue

  File "eventHandler.pyo", line 62, in _queueEventCallback

  File "eventHandler.pyo", line 150, in executeEvent

  File "eventHandler.pyo", line 163, in doPreGainFocus

  File "api.pyo", line 107, in setFocusObject

  File "baseObject.pyo", line 47, in __get__

  File "baseObject.pyo", line 147, in _getPropertyViaCache

  File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyo", line 501, in _get_container

  File "baseObject.pyo", line 47, in __get__

  File "baseObject.pyo", line 147, in _getPropertyViaCache

  File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyo", line 962, in _get_parent

  File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyo", line 78, in __call__

  File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyo", line 649, in __init__

  File "comtypes\__init__.pyo", line 1160, in QueryInterface

 

ERROR - RPC process 3228 (nvda_slave.exe) (15:34:20.319):

__main__.main:

slave error

Traceback (most recent call last):

  File "nvda_slave.pyw", line 93, in main

  File "comHelper.pyo", line 22, in _lresultFromGetActiveObject

  File "comtypes\client\__init__.pyo", line 180, in GetActiveObject

  File "comtypes\__init__.pyo", line 1247, in GetActiveObject

  File "_ctypes/callproc.c", line 946, in GetResult

WindowsError: [Error -2147221021] Operation unavailable

DEBUGWARNING - Python warning (15:34:20.404):

C:\Program Files (x86)\NVDA\library.zip\api.py:274: DeprecationWarning: Yield() is deprecated

DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole (15:34:21.678):

accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'The parameter is incorrect.', (None, None, None, 0, None))

DEBUGWARNING - Python warning (15:35:48.522):

C:\Program Files (x86)\NVDA\library.zip\keyboardHandler.py:528: DeprecationWarning: Yield() is deprecated

INFO - globalCommands.GlobalCommands.script_navigatorObject_devInfo (15:35:58.546):

Developer info for navigator object:

name: u'Message'

role: ROLE_EDITABLETEXT

states: STATE_FOCUSABLE, STATE_MULTILINE, STATE_FOCUSED

isFocusable: True

hasFocus: True

Python object: <nvdaBuiltin.appModules.outlook.OutlookWordDocument object at 0x0A624ED0>

Python class mro: (<class 'nvdaBuiltin.appModules.outlook.OutlookWordDocument'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.IAccessible.winword.WordDocument'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.behaviors.EditableTextWithoutAutoSelectDetection'>, <class 'editableText.EditableTextWithoutAutoSelectDetection'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.behaviors.EditableText'>, <class 'editableText.EditableText'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.window.winword.WordDocument'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.window.Window'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObject'>, <class 'documentBase.TextContainerObject'>, <class 'baseObject.ScriptableObject'>, <class 'baseObject.AutoPropertyObject'>, <type 'object'>)

description: None

location: RectLTWH(left=7, top=252, width=1569, height=600)

value: None

appModule: <'outlook' (appName u'outlook', process ID 1536) at address a5e55f0>

appModule.productName: u'Microsoft Outlook'

appModule.productVersion: u'16.0.12130.20390'

TextInfo: <class 'NVDAObjects.window.winword.WordDocumentTextInfo'>

windowHandle: 787432

windowClassName: u'_WwG'

windowControlID: 0

windowStyle: 1442840576

extendedWindowStyle: 16

windowThreadID: 3532

windowText: u'Message'

displayText: u''

IAccessibleObject: <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x5f6b2a8 at a5d1170>

IAccessibleChildID: 0

IAccessible event parameters: windowHandle=787432, objectID=-4, childID=0

IAccessible accName: u'Message'

IAccessible accRole: ROLE_SYSTEM_CLIENT

IAccessible accState: STATE_SYSTEM_FOCUSED, STATE_SYSTEM_FOCUSABLE, STATE_SYSTEM_VALID (1048580)

IAccessible accDescription: None

IAccessible accValue: None

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Friday, November 29, 2019 1:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.3 #AddonRelease

 

Hi,

Yep, sounds like the installed copy got compatibility mode set. Can you install this portable copy and see if that makes a difference? To do so, run the portable copy, then to go NVDA menu/Tools/Install. Do not check the box for copying portable config to installed version. Say “yes” when User Account Control (UAC) appears, and when “success” message shows up, press Enter to start the installed copy. Then with the installed copy running, open log viewer and send me the beginning part of the log as a reply, as it’ll confirm if indeed this resolved it or NVDA still set to run in compatibility mode.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Friday, November 29, 2019 10:51 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.3 #AddonRelease

 

Hi Joseph,

 

I created a portable copy and the windows version was 10.  Here is the log:

INFO - __main__ (13:43:37.826):

Starting NVDA

INFO - core.main (13:43:38.128):

Config dir: C:\Users\Owner\AppData\Roaming\nvda

INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (13:43:38.128):

Loading config: C:\Users\Owner\AppData\Roaming\nvda\nvda.ini

INFO - core.main (13:43:38.529):

NVDA version 2019.2.1

INFO - core.main (13:43:38.529):

Using Windows version 10.0.18363 workstation

INFO - core.main (13:43:38.529):

Using Python version 2.7.16 (v2.7.16:413a49145e, Mar  4 2019, 01:30:55) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)]

INFO - core.main (13:43:38.529):

Using comtypes version 1.1.7

INFO - core.main (13:43:38.529):

Using configobj version 5.1.0 with validate version 1.0.1

DEBUGWARNING - touchHandler.touchSupported (13:43:38.809):

Touch only supported on installed copies

DEBUGWARNING - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver._isVoiceValid (13:43:39.549):

Could not open registry key HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Speech_OneCore\Voices\Tokens\MSTTS_V110_enGB_GeorgeM, WindowsError(2, 'The system cannot find the file specified')

DEBUGWARNING - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver._isVoiceValid (13:43:39.549):

Could not open registry key HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Speech_OneCore\Voices\Tokens\MSTTS_V110_enGB_SusanM, WindowsError(2, 'The system cannot find the file specified')

DEBUGWARNING - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver._isVoiceValid (13:43:39.549):

Could not open registry key HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Speech_OneCore\Voices\Tokens\MSTTS_V110_enGB_HazelM, WindowsError(2, 'The system cannot find the file specified')

INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (13:43:39.575):

Loaded synthDriver oneCore

INFO - core.main (13:43:39.575):

Using wx version 4.0.3 msw (phoenix) wxWidgets 3.0.5

INFO - brailleInput.initialize (13:43:39.579):

Braille input initialized

INFO - braille.initialize (13:43:39.585):

Using liblouis version 3.10.0

INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (13:43:39.595):

Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0 cells.

INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (13:43:39.930):

UIAutomation: IUIAutomation6

DEBUGWARNING - inputCore.InputManager.loadLocaleGestureMap (13:43:40.165):

No locale gesture map for language en

DEBUGWARNING - touchHandler.touchSupported (13:43:40.288):

Touch only supported on installed copies

DEBUGWARNING - Python warning (13:43:44.013):

C:\Users\Owner\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\remote\globalPlugins\remoteClient\configuration.py:5: DeprecationWarning: Importing validate directly is deprecated. Please use configobj.validate instead

INFO - core.main (13:43:44.352):

NVDA initialized

DEBUGWARNING - characterProcessing._getSpeechSymbolsForLocale (13:43:44.553):

No CLDR data for locale en_US

DEBUGWARNING - Python warning (13:43:45.071):

C:\Users\Owner\AppData\Local\Temp\nsc86E4.tmp\app\library.zip\api.py:274: DeprecationWarning: Yield() is deprecated

DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole (13:43:56.013):

accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'The parameter is incorrect.', (None, None, None, 0, None))

INFO - globalCommands.GlobalCommands.script_navigatorObject_devInfo (13:44:23.746):

Developer info for navigator object:

name: u'nvda_2019.2.1.exe'

role: ROLE_LISTITEM

states: STATE_FOCUSABLE, STATE_SELECTABLE, STATE_FOCUSED, STATE_SELECTED

isFocusable: True

hasFocus: True

Python object: <NVDAObjects.Dynamic_UIItemListItemUIA object at 0x055ED030>

Python class mro: (<class 'NVDAObjects.Dynamic_UIItemListItemUIA'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.UIA.UIItem'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.UIA.ListItem'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.UIA.UIA'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.window.Window'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObject'>, <class 'documentBase.TextContainerObject'>, <class 'baseObject.ScriptableObject'>, <class 'baseObject.AutoPropertyObject'>, <type 'object'>)

description: ''

location: RectLTWH(left=460, top=591, width=478, height=22)

value: ''

appModule: <'explorer' (appName u'explorer', process ID 1828) at address 501e6f0>

appModule.productName: u'Microsoft\xae Windows\xae Operating System'

appModule.productVersion: u'10.0.18362.1'

TextInfo: <class 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObjectTextInfo'>

windowHandle: 459738

windowClassName: u'DirectUIHWND'

windowControlID: 0

windowStyle: 1442840576

extendedWindowStyle: 0

windowThreadID: 728

windowText: u''

displayText: u'nvda_2019.2.1.exe  11/ 28/ 2019   6:33 PM 23,830 KB'

UIAElement: <POINTER(IUIAutomationElement) ptr=0x8d77b88 at 5597c10>

UIA automationID: 515

UIA frameworkID: DirectUI

UIA runtimeID: (1828, 254995280, 0)

UIA providerDescription: [pid:1828,providerId:0x0 Main(parent link):Unidentified Provider (unmanaged:explorerframe.dll)]

UIA className: UIItem

UIA patterns available: LegacyIAccessiblePattern, InvokePattern, ScrollItemPattern, SelectionItemPattern, ValuePattern

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2019 7:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.3 #AddonRelease

 

Hi,

If so, I’m afraid that this is beyond my area. Let’s try one more step:

  1. Download NVDA 2019.2.1.
  2. Do not install – rather, create a portable copy somewhere you can remember.
  3. Start the portable copy.
  4. With the portable copy started, press NVDA+F1 to open log viewer.
  5. Copy and paste the log up to and including the words “NVDA initialized”.

 

Paste the log fragment as a reply to this email so Quentin and I can figure out exactly what is up. If Windows version line says “10.0.18363”, chances are that it is specific to the installed version; if it says “6.2.9200”, chances are that it is unique to your computer. If so, I advise a non-destructive feature update reinstallation – download Media Creation Tool for 1909, create an ISO, open the resulting ISO file, run setup.exe, and tell the installer to upgrade while keeping everything.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2019 4:49 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.3 #AddonRelease

 

Hi Joseph,

 

I re installed nvda and did your suggestions about the add ons.  I still get version 8.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2019 12:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.3 #AddonRelease

 

Hi,

Ah, this explains it – somehow, NVDA was told to run in compatibility mode. Without intervention, Python 2.7 will assume it is running on Windows 8 when in fact you might be using Windows 10. Can you try the following for me:

  1. Restart with all add-ons disabled.
  2. Listen carefully to which synthesizer is now in use; if it is Espeak, then you will need to reinstall NVDA from scratch; if it is Windows OneCore, chances are that there might be an add-on other than Windows 10 App Essentials and Add-on Updater that messed up NVDA’s manifest information.

 

If OneCore comes up, restart NVDA with partial add-on functionality. To do so:

  1. Open Add-ons Manager (NVDA menu/Tools/Manage add-ons).
  2. Disable one add-on at a time and restart NVDA after disabling each one. Do not disable Resource Monitor as we need it to check Windows version.
  3. After disabling an add-on and restarting NVDA, press NVDA+Shift+Number row 6 to verify that you are using Windows 10.
  4. As soon as you find that NVDA says Windows 10, thee the just disabled add-on might be to blame.
  5. To verify step 4, enable all add-ons except the offending one and see if NVDA now reports itself as running on Windows 10.

 

If this does not help, reinstall NVDA from scratch.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2019 8:58 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.3 #AddonRelease

 

Hi Joseph,

 

When I press nvda shift plus 6 it says windows 8 64 bit.  I hope this helps.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2019 9:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.3 #AddonRelease

 

Hi,

You may need to manually type these lines into Python Console.

Another approach: if you have Resource Monitor (hopefully latest stable release), press NVDA+Shift+Number row 6 and see what NVDA says about Windows version.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2019 6:27 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.3 #AddonRelease

 

Hi Jacob,

 

What I did was copy and paste the lines just as Joseph typed them.

 

Jacob Kruger
+2782 413 4791
"Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2019-11-28 10:23 AM, Gary Metzler wrote:

Hi Joseph,

 

After I enter each line I get the error win version not defined.

I hope this helps.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2019 7:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.3 #AddonRelease

 

Hi,

Hmmm, you get “False” when you’ve got 1909… Let’s try this method:

 

  1. Go back to Python Console (Control+NVDA+Z).
  2. Type the following as exactly as shown (press Enter after each line and listen carefully to what NVDA says):

 

import winVersion

winVersion.winVersion

winVersion.isWin10()

winVersion.isWin10(version=1607)

winVersion.isWin10(version=1709)

winVersion.isWin10(version=1803)

winVersion.isWin10(version=1809)

 

NVDA will first announce Windows version information (major, minor, build, platform, service pack), then for each Windows 10 release we have, “True” or “False”.

Cheers,

Joseph

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2019 3:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.3 #AddonRelease

 

Hi Joseph,

 

I did what you suggested and I get a false response.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2019 6:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.3 #AddonRelease

 

Hi,

That’s strange. Let’s try:

  1. Open Python Console (Control+NVDA+Z).
  2. Type the following as exactly as I tell you:

 

import winVersion

winVersion.isWin10(version=1809)

 

Press Enter after each line. If it says “True”, then there should not be a reason for Windows 10 App Essentials to complain that you’ve got an older Windows release.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2019 3:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.3 #AddonRelease

 

Hi Joseph,

 

I got the add on manually but, when I went to install it it said I was using an older version of windows.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2019 6:14 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.3 #AddonRelease

 

Hi,

Actually, it is compatible with 1809 and later. I’m beginning to wonder if this affects anyone using Add-on Updater, and if this is the case, it isn’t Windows 10 App Essentials at all.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2019 3:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.3 #AddonRelease

 

Hi,

I think I know why – I’ll go ahead and release another version in a few moments. Sorry about that.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2019 3:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.3 #AddonRelease

 

Hi Joseph,

 

I’m sorry to say I am getting the error not compatible with this version of windows.  I am using windows 10 1909 and the latest nvda.  

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2019 2:38 PM
To: nvda-addons@nvda-addons.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.3 #AddonRelease

 

Hi all,

 

In a few moments Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.3 will be made available. This release is a localization and documentation update.

 

A few important notes:

 

  • Windows 10 20H1 is now formally known as Version 2004. Although Windows 10 App Essentials does support Version 2004, formal support won’t begin until early next year.
  • A version scheduled for early next year will retire support for EdgeHTML-based Microsoft Edge from this add-on.

 

Cheers,

Joseph

Re: Regular expression in the dictionary [Re: Expression régulière dans le dictionnaire]

Brian Tew
 

I have found out the hard way that regular expressions vary in different settings.
It would be nice if nvda domumented exactly which implementation or re it uses. 

Re: Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.3 #addonrelease

 

Hi,

Yep, sounds like the installed copy got compatibility mode set. Can you install this portable copy and see if that makes a difference? To do so, run the portable copy, then to go NVDA menu/Tools/Install. Do not check the box for copying portable config to installed version. Say “yes” when User Account Control (UAC) appears, and when “success” message shows up, press Enter to start the installed copy. Then with the installed copy running, open log viewer and send me the beginning part of the log as a reply, as it’ll confirm if indeed this resolved it or NVDA still set to run in compatibility mode.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Friday, November 29, 2019 10:51 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.3 #AddonRelease

 

Hi Joseph,

 

I created a portable copy and the windows version was 10.  Here is the log:

INFO - __main__ (13:43:37.826):

Starting NVDA

INFO - core.main (13:43:38.128):

Config dir: C:\Users\Owner\AppData\Roaming\nvda

INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (13:43:38.128):

Loading config: C:\Users\Owner\AppData\Roaming\nvda\nvda.ini

INFO - core.main (13:43:38.529):

NVDA version 2019.2.1

INFO - core.main (13:43:38.529):

Using Windows version 10.0.18363 workstation

INFO - core.main (13:43:38.529):

Using Python version 2.7.16 (v2.7.16:413a49145e, Mar  4 2019, 01:30:55) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)]

INFO - core.main (13:43:38.529):

Using comtypes version 1.1.7

INFO - core.main (13:43:38.529):

Using configobj version 5.1.0 with validate version 1.0.1

DEBUGWARNING - touchHandler.touchSupported (13:43:38.809):

Touch only supported on installed copies

DEBUGWARNING - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver._isVoiceValid (13:43:39.549):

Could not open registry key HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Speech_OneCore\Voices\Tokens\MSTTS_V110_enGB_GeorgeM, WindowsError(2, 'The system cannot find the file specified')

DEBUGWARNING - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver._isVoiceValid (13:43:39.549):

Could not open registry key HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Speech_OneCore\Voices\Tokens\MSTTS_V110_enGB_SusanM, WindowsError(2, 'The system cannot find the file specified')

DEBUGWARNING - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver._isVoiceValid (13:43:39.549):

Could not open registry key HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Speech_OneCore\Voices\Tokens\MSTTS_V110_enGB_HazelM, WindowsError(2, 'The system cannot find the file specified')

INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (13:43:39.575):

Loaded synthDriver oneCore

INFO - core.main (13:43:39.575):

Using wx version 4.0.3 msw (phoenix) wxWidgets 3.0.5

INFO - brailleInput.initialize (13:43:39.579):

Braille input initialized

INFO - braille.initialize (13:43:39.585):

Using liblouis version 3.10.0

INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (13:43:39.595):

Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0 cells.

INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (13:43:39.930):

UIAutomation: IUIAutomation6

DEBUGWARNING - inputCore.InputManager.loadLocaleGestureMap (13:43:40.165):

No locale gesture map for language en

DEBUGWARNING - touchHandler.touchSupported (13:43:40.288):

Touch only supported on installed copies

DEBUGWARNING - Python warning (13:43:44.013):

C:\Users\Owner\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\remote\globalPlugins\remoteClient\configuration.py:5: DeprecationWarning: Importing validate directly is deprecated. Please use configobj.validate instead

INFO - core.main (13:43:44.352):

NVDA initialized

DEBUGWARNING - characterProcessing._getSpeechSymbolsForLocale (13:43:44.553):

No CLDR data for locale en_US

DEBUGWARNING - Python warning (13:43:45.071):

C:\Users\Owner\AppData\Local\Temp\nsc86E4.tmp\app\library.zip\api.py:274: DeprecationWarning: Yield() is deprecated

DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole (13:43:56.013):

accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'The parameter is incorrect.', (None, None, None, 0, None))

INFO - globalCommands.GlobalCommands.script_navigatorObject_devInfo (13:44:23.746):

Developer info for navigator object:

name: u'nvda_2019.2.1.exe'

role: ROLE_LISTITEM

states: STATE_FOCUSABLE, STATE_SELECTABLE, STATE_FOCUSED, STATE_SELECTED

isFocusable: True

hasFocus: True

Python object: <NVDAObjects.Dynamic_UIItemListItemUIA object at 0x055ED030>

Python class mro: (<class 'NVDAObjects.Dynamic_UIItemListItemUIA'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.UIA.UIItem'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.UIA.ListItem'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.UIA.UIA'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.window.Window'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObject'>, <class 'documentBase.TextContainerObject'>, <class 'baseObject.ScriptableObject'>, <class 'baseObject.AutoPropertyObject'>, <type 'object'>)

description: ''

location: RectLTWH(left=460, top=591, width=478, height=22)

value: ''

appModule: <'explorer' (appName u'explorer', process ID 1828) at address 501e6f0>

appModule.productName: u'Microsoft\xae Windows\xae Operating System'

appModule.productVersion: u'10.0.18362.1'

TextInfo: <class 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObjectTextInfo'>

windowHandle: 459738

windowClassName: u'DirectUIHWND'

windowControlID: 0

windowStyle: 1442840576

extendedWindowStyle: 0

windowThreadID: 728

windowText: u''

displayText: u'nvda_2019.2.1.exe  11/ 28/ 2019   6:33 PM 23,830 KB'

UIAElement: <POINTER(IUIAutomationElement) ptr=0x8d77b88 at 5597c10>

UIA automationID: 515

UIA frameworkID: DirectUI

UIA runtimeID: (1828, 254995280, 0)

UIA providerDescription: [pid:1828,providerId:0x0 Main(parent link):Unidentified Provider (unmanaged:explorerframe.dll)]

UIA className: UIItem

UIA patterns available: LegacyIAccessiblePattern, InvokePattern, ScrollItemPattern, SelectionItemPattern, ValuePattern

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2019 7:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.3 #AddonRelease

 

Hi,

If so, I’m afraid that this is beyond my area. Let’s try one more step:

  1. Download NVDA 2019.2.1.
  2. Do not install – rather, create a portable copy somewhere you can remember.
  3. Start the portable copy.
  4. With the portable copy started, press NVDA+F1 to open log viewer.
  5. Copy and paste the log up to and including the words “NVDA initialized”.

 

Paste the log fragment as a reply to this email so Quentin and I can figure out exactly what is up. If Windows version line says “10.0.18363”, chances are that it is specific to the installed version; if it says “6.2.9200”, chances are that it is unique to your computer. If so, I advise a non-destructive feature update reinstallation – download Media Creation Tool for 1909, create an ISO, open the resulting ISO file, run setup.exe, and tell the installer to upgrade while keeping everything.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2019 4:49 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.3 #AddonRelease

 

Hi Joseph,

 

I re installed nvda and did your suggestions about the add ons.  I still get version 8.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2019 12:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.3 #AddonRelease

 

Hi,

Ah, this explains it – somehow, NVDA was told to run in compatibility mode. Without intervention, Python 2.7 will assume it is running on Windows 8 when in fact you might be using Windows 10. Can you try the following for me:

  1. Restart with all add-ons disabled.
  2. Listen carefully to which synthesizer is now in use; if it is Espeak, then you will need to reinstall NVDA from scratch; if it is Windows OneCore, chances are that there might be an add-on other than Windows 10 App Essentials and Add-on Updater that messed up NVDA’s manifest information.

 

If OneCore comes up, restart NVDA with partial add-on functionality. To do so:

  1. Open Add-ons Manager (NVDA menu/Tools/Manage add-ons).
  2. Disable one add-on at a time and restart NVDA after disabling each one. Do not disable Resource Monitor as we need it to check Windows version.
  3. After disabling an add-on and restarting NVDA, press NVDA+Shift+Number row 6 to verify that you are using Windows 10.
  4. As soon as you find that NVDA says Windows 10, thee the just disabled add-on might be to blame.
  5. To verify step 4, enable all add-ons except the offending one and see if NVDA now reports itself as running on Windows 10.

 

If this does not help, reinstall NVDA from scratch.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2019 8:58 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.3 #AddonRelease

 

Hi Joseph,

 

When I press nvda shift plus 6 it says windows 8 64 bit.  I hope this helps.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2019 9:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.3 #AddonRelease

 

Hi,

You may need to manually type these lines into Python Console.

Another approach: if you have Resource Monitor (hopefully latest stable release), press NVDA+Shift+Number row 6 and see what NVDA says about Windows version.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2019 6:27 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.3 #AddonRelease

 

Hi Jacob,

 

What I did was copy and paste the lines just as Joseph typed them.

 

Jacob Kruger
+2782 413 4791
"Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2019-11-28 10:23 AM, Gary Metzler wrote:

Hi Joseph,

 

After I enter each line I get the error win version not defined.

I hope this helps.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2019 7:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.3 #AddonRelease

 

Hi,

Hmmm, you get “False” when you’ve got 1909… Let’s try this method:

 

  1. Go back to Python Console (Control+NVDA+Z).
  2. Type the following as exactly as shown (press Enter after each line and listen carefully to what NVDA says):

 

import winVersion

winVersion.winVersion

winVersion.isWin10()

winVersion.isWin10(version=1607)

winVersion.isWin10(version=1709)

winVersion.isWin10(version=1803)

winVersion.isWin10(version=1809)

 

NVDA will first announce Windows version information (major, minor, build, platform, service pack), then for each Windows 10 release we have, “True” or “False”.

Cheers,

Joseph

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2019 3:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.3 #AddonRelease

 

Hi Joseph,

 

I did what you suggested and I get a false response.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2019 6:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.3 #AddonRelease

 

Hi,

That’s strange. Let’s try:

  1. Open Python Console (Control+NVDA+Z).
  2. Type the following as exactly as I tell you:

 

import winVersion

winVersion.isWin10(version=1809)

 

Press Enter after each line. If it says “True”, then there should not be a reason for Windows 10 App Essentials to complain that you’ve got an older Windows release.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2019 3:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.3 #AddonRelease

 

Hi Joseph,

 

I got the add on manually but, when I went to install it it said I was using an older version of windows.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2019 6:14 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.3 #AddonRelease

 

Hi,

Actually, it is compatible with 1809 and later. I’m beginning to wonder if this affects anyone using Add-on Updater, and if this is the case, it isn’t Windows 10 App Essentials at all.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2019 3:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.3 #AddonRelease

 

Hi,

I think I know why – I’ll go ahead and release another version in a few moments. Sorry about that.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2019 3:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.3 #AddonRelease

 

Hi Joseph,

 

I’m sorry to say I am getting the error not compatible with this version of windows.  I am using windows 10 1909 and the latest nvda.  

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2019 2:38 PM
To: nvda-addons@nvda-addons.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.3 #AddonRelease

 

Hi all,

 

In a few moments Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.3 will be made available. This release is a localization and documentation update.

 

A few important notes:

 

  • Windows 10 20H1 is now formally known as Version 2004. Although Windows 10 App Essentials does support Version 2004, formal support won’t begin until early next year.
  • A version scheduled for early next year will retire support for EdgeHTML-based Microsoft Edge from this add-on.

 

Cheers,

Joseph

Re: Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.3 #addonrelease

Gary Metzler
 

Hi Joseph,

 

I created a portable copy and the windows version was 10.  Here is the log:

INFO - __main__ (13:43:37.826):

Starting NVDA

INFO - core.main (13:43:38.128):

Config dir: C:\Users\Owner\AppData\Roaming\nvda

INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (13:43:38.128):

Loading config: C:\Users\Owner\AppData\Roaming\nvda\nvda.ini

INFO - core.main (13:43:38.529):

NVDA version 2019.2.1

INFO - core.main (13:43:38.529):

Using Windows version 10.0.18363 workstation

INFO - core.main (13:43:38.529):

Using Python version 2.7.16 (v2.7.16:413a49145e, Mar  4 2019, 01:30:55) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)]

INFO - core.main (13:43:38.529):

Using comtypes version 1.1.7

INFO - core.main (13:43:38.529):

Using configobj version 5.1.0 with validate version 1.0.1

DEBUGWARNING - touchHandler.touchSupported (13:43:38.809):

Touch only supported on installed copies

DEBUGWARNING - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver._isVoiceValid (13:43:39.549):

Could not open registry key HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Speech_OneCore\Voices\Tokens\MSTTS_V110_enGB_GeorgeM, WindowsError(2, 'The system cannot find the file specified')

DEBUGWARNING - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver._isVoiceValid (13:43:39.549):

Could not open registry key HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Speech_OneCore\Voices\Tokens\MSTTS_V110_enGB_SusanM, WindowsError(2, 'The system cannot find the file specified')

DEBUGWARNING - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver._isVoiceValid (13:43:39.549):

Could not open registry key HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Speech_OneCore\Voices\Tokens\MSTTS_V110_enGB_HazelM, WindowsError(2, 'The system cannot find the file specified')

INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (13:43:39.575):

Loaded synthDriver oneCore

INFO - core.main (13:43:39.575):

Using wx version 4.0.3 msw (phoenix) wxWidgets 3.0.5

INFO - brailleInput.initialize (13:43:39.579):

Braille input initialized

INFO - braille.initialize (13:43:39.585):

Using liblouis version 3.10.0

INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (13:43:39.595):

Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0 cells.

INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (13:43:39.930):

UIAutomation: IUIAutomation6

DEBUGWARNING - inputCore.InputManager.loadLocaleGestureMap (13:43:40.165):

No locale gesture map for language en

DEBUGWARNING - touchHandler.touchSupported (13:43:40.288):

Touch only supported on installed copies

DEBUGWARNING - Python warning (13:43:44.013):

C:\Users\Owner\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\remote\globalPlugins\remoteClient\configuration.py:5: DeprecationWarning: Importing validate directly is deprecated. Please use configobj.validate instead

INFO - core.main (13:43:44.352):

NVDA initialized

DEBUGWARNING - characterProcessing._getSpeechSymbolsForLocale (13:43:44.553):

No CLDR data for locale en_US

DEBUGWARNING - Python warning (13:43:45.071):

C:\Users\Owner\AppData\Local\Temp\nsc86E4.tmp\app\library.zip\api.py:274: DeprecationWarning: Yield() is deprecated

DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole (13:43:56.013):

accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'The parameter is incorrect.', (None, None, None, 0, None))

INFO - globalCommands.GlobalCommands.script_navigatorObject_devInfo (13:44:23.746):

Developer info for navigator object:

name: u'nvda_2019.2.1.exe'

role: ROLE_LISTITEM

states: STATE_FOCUSABLE, STATE_SELECTABLE, STATE_FOCUSED, STATE_SELECTED

isFocusable: True

hasFocus: True

Python object: <NVDAObjects.Dynamic_UIItemListItemUIA object at 0x055ED030>

Python class mro: (<class 'NVDAObjects.Dynamic_UIItemListItemUIA'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.UIA.UIItem'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.UIA.ListItem'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.UIA.UIA'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.window.Window'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObject'>, <class 'documentBase.TextContainerObject'>, <class 'baseObject.ScriptableObject'>, <class 'baseObject.AutoPropertyObject'>, <type 'object'>)

description: ''

location: RectLTWH(left=460, top=591, width=478, height=22)

value: ''

appModule: <'explorer' (appName u'explorer', process ID 1828) at address 501e6f0>

appModule.productName: u'Microsoft\xae Windows\xae Operating System'

appModule.productVersion: u'10.0.18362.1'

TextInfo: <class 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObjectTextInfo'>

windowHandle: 459738

windowClassName: u'DirectUIHWND'

windowControlID: 0

windowStyle: 1442840576

extendedWindowStyle: 0

windowThreadID: 728

windowText: u''

displayText: u'nvda_2019.2.1.exe  11/ 28/ 2019   6:33 PM 23,830 KB'

UIAElement: <POINTER(IUIAutomationElement) ptr=0x8d77b88 at 5597c10>

UIA automationID: 515

UIA frameworkID: DirectUI

UIA runtimeID: (1828, 254995280, 0)

UIA providerDescription: [pid:1828,providerId:0x0 Main(parent link):Unidentified Provider (unmanaged:explorerframe.dll)]

UIA className: UIItem

UIA patterns available: LegacyIAccessiblePattern, InvokePattern, ScrollItemPattern, SelectionItemPattern, ValuePattern

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2019 7:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.3 #AddonRelease

 

Hi,

If so, I’m afraid that this is beyond my area. Let’s try one more step:

  1. Download NVDA 2019.2.1.
  2. Do not install – rather, create a portable copy somewhere you can remember.
  3. Start the portable copy.
  4. With the portable copy started, press NVDA+F1 to open log viewer.
  5. Copy and paste the log up to and including the words “NVDA initialized”.

 

Paste the log fragment as a reply to this email so Quentin and I can figure out exactly what is up. If Windows version line says “10.0.18363”, chances are that it is specific to the installed version; if it says “6.2.9200”, chances are that it is unique to your computer. If so, I advise a non-destructive feature update reinstallation – download Media Creation Tool for 1909, create an ISO, open the resulting ISO file, run setup.exe, and tell the installer to upgrade while keeping everything.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2019 4:49 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.3 #AddonRelease

 

Hi Joseph,

 

I re installed nvda and did your suggestions about the add ons.  I still get version 8.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2019 12:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.3 #AddonRelease

 

Hi,

Ah, this explains it – somehow, NVDA was told to run in compatibility mode. Without intervention, Python 2.7 will assume it is running on Windows 8 when in fact you might be using Windows 10. Can you try the following for me:

  1. Restart with all add-ons disabled.
  2. Listen carefully to which synthesizer is now in use; if it is Espeak, then you will need to reinstall NVDA from scratch; if it is Windows OneCore, chances are that there might be an add-on other than Windows 10 App Essentials and Add-on Updater that messed up NVDA’s manifest information.

 

If OneCore comes up, restart NVDA with partial add-on functionality. To do so:

  1. Open Add-ons Manager (NVDA menu/Tools/Manage add-ons).
  2. Disable one add-on at a time and restart NVDA after disabling each one. Do not disable Resource Monitor as we need it to check Windows version.
  3. After disabling an add-on and restarting NVDA, press NVDA+Shift+Number row 6 to verify that you are using Windows 10.
  4. As soon as you find that NVDA says Windows 10, thee the just disabled add-on might be to blame.
  5. To verify step 4, enable all add-ons except the offending one and see if NVDA now reports itself as running on Windows 10.

 

If this does not help, reinstall NVDA from scratch.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2019 8:58 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.3 #AddonRelease

 

Hi Joseph,

 

When I press nvda shift plus 6 it says windows 8 64 bit.  I hope this helps.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2019 9:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.3 #AddonRelease

 

Hi,

You may need to manually type these lines into Python Console.

Another approach: if you have Resource Monitor (hopefully latest stable release), press NVDA+Shift+Number row 6 and see what NVDA says about Windows version.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2019 6:27 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.3 #AddonRelease

 

Hi Jacob,

 

What I did was copy and paste the lines just as Joseph typed them.

 

Jacob Kruger
+2782 413 4791
"Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2019-11-28 10:23 AM, Gary Metzler wrote:

Hi Joseph,

 

After I enter each line I get the error win version not defined.

I hope this helps.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2019 7:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.3 #AddonRelease

 

Hi,

Hmmm, you get “False” when you’ve got 1909… Let’s try this method:

 

  1. Go back to Python Console (Control+NVDA+Z).
  2. Type the following as exactly as shown (press Enter after each line and listen carefully to what NVDA says):

 

import winVersion

winVersion.winVersion

winVersion.isWin10()

winVersion.isWin10(version=1607)

winVersion.isWin10(version=1709)

winVersion.isWin10(version=1803)

winVersion.isWin10(version=1809)

 

NVDA will first announce Windows version information (major, minor, build, platform, service pack), then for each Windows 10 release we have, “True” or “False”.

Cheers,

Joseph

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2019 3:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.3 #AddonRelease

 

Hi Joseph,

 

I did what you suggested and I get a false response.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2019 6:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.3 #AddonRelease

 

Hi,

That’s strange. Let’s try:

  1. Open Python Console (Control+NVDA+Z).
  2. Type the following as exactly as I tell you:

 

import winVersion

winVersion.isWin10(version=1809)

 

Press Enter after each line. If it says “True”, then there should not be a reason for Windows 10 App Essentials to complain that you’ve got an older Windows release.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2019 3:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.3 #AddonRelease

 

Hi Joseph,

 

I got the add on manually but, when I went to install it it said I was using an older version of windows.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2019 6:14 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.3 #AddonRelease

 

Hi,

Actually, it is compatible with 1809 and later. I’m beginning to wonder if this affects anyone using Add-on Updater, and if this is the case, it isn’t Windows 10 App Essentials at all.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2019 3:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.3 #AddonRelease

 

Hi,

I think I know why – I’ll go ahead and release another version in a few moments. Sorry about that.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2019 3:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.3 #AddonRelease

 

Hi Joseph,

 

I’m sorry to say I am getting the error not compatible with this version of windows.  I am using windows 10 1909 and the latest nvda.  

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2019 2:38 PM
To: nvda-addons@nvda-addons.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.3 #AddonRelease

 

Hi all,

 

In a few moments Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.3 will be made available. This release is a localization and documentation update.

 

A few important notes:

 

  • Windows 10 20H1 is now formally known as Version 2004. Although Windows 10 App Essentials does support Version 2004, formal support won’t begin until early next year.
  • A version scheduled for early next year will retire support for EdgeHTML-based Microsoft Edge from this add-on.

 

Cheers,

Joseph

Re: issue with extention confirmed

 

Hi,

It came about due to the way plugins were distributed. The “plugin” in this context refers to practice of distributing Python files to be placed in specific locations, whereas “add-on” is a collection of plugins zipped inside a zip file for ease of install.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Friday, November 29, 2019 10:42 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] issue with extention confirmed

 

Well I suppose it really doesn't matter what term is used.

There was a time when it was plugins, then for a while it was addon now its extention, the term will probably change in a few years again.

 

 

On 30/11/2019 7:37 am, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

For the most part, extensions and add-ons are interchangeable. It is just that we were used to “add-ons”, hence the terminology.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Friday, November 29, 2019 10:33 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] issue with extention confirmed

 

Hmmm that does bring up a point though.

Everyone is calling addons extentions now.

I am not sure its to late in the piece but I wander what would happen if we called the manage addons function extentions or extention manager or something.

Everything would continue to work as its always done, but everything calling itselff addon would be extention instead of course we can keep the nvda addon package.

Saying that we could just call them packages or modules.

Now nvda package manager sounds a bit linux like and a bit over used but that mistake has got me thinking.

Plugins is another thing, but we could just change things, not much would have to change and just about everyone on the web for chrome etc, is talking about extentions, maybe we should do the same.

 

 

On 30/11/2019 6:30 am, Gene wrote:

I meant to say manage add-ons.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, November 29, 2019 11:09 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] issue with extention confirmed

 

My tools menu doesn't have a "manage extensions," choice.  The only manage choiice is manage addons.

On 11/29/2019 10:50 AM, Gene wrote:

If you didn't manually place it in Winamp, it isn't there. 

 

In the NVDA menu, open the tools submenu, down arrow to manage extensions, and press enter.  After the dialog opens you are in a list.  Read current line and up and down arrow to see what, if any extensions, are on the machine.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, November 29, 2019 9:29 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] issue with extention confirmed

 

Where is that extention for winamp and how do I know if I have it loaded or running?  Further, how to get rid of it?  Thanks.
Howard

On 11/29/2019 6:29 AM, ken lawrence via Groups.Io wrote:

Hi listers I updated the extention for winamp the other day and as reported originally the extention made winamp invisible the NVDA can’t even read with insirt plus T that you are sitting on winamp. I had to disable the extention.  Just now after downloading a song and tagging in winamp for possible play on a radio show I decided to enable the add on and sure enough winamp vanished.  It is running but I can’t apparently even go to my context menu to view file information.  I can tag files but I have to guess what I’m focused on to do it.  Is anyone else having issues with winamp extention version 1.2? 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 

 

Re: issue with extention confirmed

Gene
 

Although, there must be some difference some of the time because Firefox has a section for add-ons and extensions.  What is the difference, where it exists?
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Friday, November 29, 2019 12:37 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] issue with extention confirmed

Hi,

For the most part, extensions and add-ons are interchangeable. It is just that we were used to “add-ons”, hence the terminology.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Friday, November 29, 2019 10:33 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] issue with extention confirmed

 

Hmmm that does bring up a point though.

Everyone is calling addons extentions now.

I am not sure its to late in the piece but I wander what would happen if we called the manage addons function extentions or extention manager or something.

Everything would continue to work as its always done, but everything calling itselff addon would be extention instead of course we can keep the nvda addon package.

Saying that we could just call them packages or modules.

Now nvda package manager sounds a bit linux like and a bit over used but that mistake has got me thinking.

Plugins is another thing, but we could just change things, not much would have to change and just about everyone on the web for chrome etc, is talking about extentions, maybe we should do the same.

 

 

On 30/11/2019 6:30 am, Gene wrote:

I meant to say manage add-ons.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, November 29, 2019 11:09 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] issue with extention confirmed

 

My tools menu doesn't have a "manage extensions," choice.  The only manage choiice is manage addons.


On 11/29/2019 10:50 AM, Gene wrote:

If you didn't manually place it in Winamp, it isn't there. 

 

In the NVDA menu, open the tools submenu, down arrow to manage extensions, and press enter.  After the dialog opens you are in a list.  Read current line and up and down arrow to see what, if any extensions, are on the machine.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, November 29, 2019 9:29 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] issue with extention confirmed

 

Where is that extention for winamp and how do I know if I have it loaded or running?  Further, how to get rid of it?  Thanks.
Howard

On 11/29/2019 6:29 AM, ken lawrence via Groups.Io wrote:

Hi listers I updated the extention for winamp the other day and as reported originally the extention made winamp invisible the NVDA can’t even read with insirt plus T that you are sitting on winamp. I had to disable the extention.  Just now after downloading a song and tagging in winamp for possible play on a radio show I decided to enable the add on and sure enough winamp vanished.  It is running but I can’t apparently even go to my context menu to view file information.  I can tag files but I have to guess what I’m focused on to do it.  Is anyone else having issues with winamp extention version 1.2? 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 

 

Re: issue with extention confirmed

 

Well I suppose it really doesn't matter what term is used.

There was a time when it was plugins, then for a while it was addon now its extention, the term will probably change in a few years again.



On 30/11/2019 7:37 am, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

For the most part, extensions and add-ons are interchangeable. It is just that we were used to “add-ons”, hence the terminology.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Friday, November 29, 2019 10:33 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] issue with extention confirmed

 

Hmmm that does bring up a point though.

Everyone is calling addons extentions now.

I am not sure its to late in the piece but I wander what would happen if we called the manage addons function extentions or extention manager or something.

Everything would continue to work as its always done, but everything calling itselff addon would be extention instead of course we can keep the nvda addon package.

Saying that we could just call them packages or modules.

Now nvda package manager sounds a bit linux like and a bit over used but that mistake has got me thinking.

Plugins is another thing, but we could just change things, not much would have to change and just about everyone on the web for chrome etc, is talking about extentions, maybe we should do the same.

 

 

On 30/11/2019 6:30 am, Gene wrote:

I meant to say manage add-ons.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, November 29, 2019 11:09 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] issue with extention confirmed

 

My tools menu doesn't have a "manage extensions," choice.  The only manage choiice is manage addons.


On 11/29/2019 10:50 AM, Gene wrote:

If you didn't manually place it in Winamp, it isn't there. 

 

In the NVDA menu, open the tools submenu, down arrow to manage extensions, and press enter.  After the dialog opens you are in a list.  Read current line and up and down arrow to see what, if any extensions, are on the machine.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, November 29, 2019 9:29 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] issue with extention confirmed

 

Where is that extention for winamp and how do I know if I have it loaded or running?  Further, how to get rid of it?  Thanks.
Howard

On 11/29/2019 6:29 AM, ken lawrence via Groups.Io wrote:

Hi listers I updated the extention for winamp the other day and as reported originally the extention made winamp invisible the NVDA can’t even read with insirt plus T that you are sitting on winamp. I had to disable the extention.  Just now after downloading a song and tagging in winamp for possible play on a radio show I decided to enable the add on and sure enough winamp vanished.  It is running but I can’t apparently even go to my context menu to view file information.  I can tag files but I have to guess what I’m focused on to do it.  Is anyone else having issues with winamp extention version 1.2? 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 

 

Re: issue with extention confirmed

 

Hi,

For the most part, extensions and add-ons are interchangeable. It is just that we were used to “add-ons”, hence the terminology.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Friday, November 29, 2019 10:33 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] issue with extention confirmed

 

Hmmm that does bring up a point though.

Everyone is calling addons extentions now.

I am not sure its to late in the piece but I wander what would happen if we called the manage addons function extentions or extention manager or something.

Everything would continue to work as its always done, but everything calling itselff addon would be extention instead of course we can keep the nvda addon package.

Saying that we could just call them packages or modules.

Now nvda package manager sounds a bit linux like and a bit over used but that mistake has got me thinking.

Plugins is another thing, but we could just change things, not much would have to change and just about everyone on the web for chrome etc, is talking about extentions, maybe we should do the same.

 

 

On 30/11/2019 6:30 am, Gene wrote:

I meant to say manage add-ons.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, November 29, 2019 11:09 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] issue with extention confirmed

 

My tools menu doesn't have a "manage extensions," choice.  The only manage choiice is manage addons.


On 11/29/2019 10:50 AM, Gene wrote:

If you didn't manually place it in Winamp, it isn't there. 

 

In the NVDA menu, open the tools submenu, down arrow to manage extensions, and press enter.  After the dialog opens you are in a list.  Read current line and up and down arrow to see what, if any extensions, are on the machine.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, November 29, 2019 9:29 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] issue with extention confirmed

 

Where is that extention for winamp and how do I know if I have it loaded or running?  Further, how to get rid of it?  Thanks.
Howard

On 11/29/2019 6:29 AM, ken lawrence via Groups.Io wrote:

Hi listers I updated the extention for winamp the other day and as reported originally the extention made winamp invisible the NVDA can’t even read with insirt plus T that you are sitting on winamp. I had to disable the extention.  Just now after downloading a song and tagging in winamp for possible play on a radio show I decided to enable the add on and sure enough winamp vanished.  It is running but I can’t apparently even go to my context menu to view file information.  I can tag files but I have to guess what I’m focused on to do it.  Is anyone else having issues with winamp extention version 1.2? 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 

 

Re: issue with extention confirmed

 

Hmmm that does bring up a point though.

Everyone is calling addons extentions now.

I am not sure its to late in the piece but I wander what would happen if we called the manage addons function extentions or extention manager or something.

Everything would continue to work as its always done, but everything calling itselff addon would be extention instead of course we can keep the nvda addon package.

Saying that we could just call them packages or modules.

Now nvda package manager sounds a bit linux like and a bit over used but that mistake has got me thinking.

Plugins is another thing, but we could just change things, not much would have to change and just about everyone on the web for chrome etc, is talking about extentions, maybe we should do the same.



On 30/11/2019 6:30 am, Gene wrote:
I meant to say manage add-ons.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, November 29, 2019 11:09 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] issue with extention confirmed

My tools menu doesn't have a "manage extensions," choice.  The only manage choiice is manage addons.



On 11/29/2019 10:50 AM, Gene wrote:
If you didn't manually place it in Winamp, it isn't there. 
 
In the NVDA menu, open the tools submenu, down arrow to manage extensions, and press enter.  After the dialog opens you are in a list.  Read current line and up and down arrow to see what, if any extensions, are on the machine.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, November 29, 2019 9:29 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] issue with extention confirmed

Where is that extention for winamp and how do I know if I have it loaded or running?  Further, how to get rid of it?  Thanks.
Howard

On 11/29/2019 6:29 AM, ken lawrence via Groups.Io wrote:

Hi listers I updated the extention for winamp the other day and as reported originally the extention made winamp invisible the NVDA can’t even read with insirt plus T that you are sitting on winamp. I had to disable the extention.  Just now after downloading a song and tagging in winamp for possible play on a radio show I decided to enable the add on and sure enough winamp vanished.  It is running but I can’t apparently even go to my context menu to view file information.  I can tag files but I have to guess what I’m focused on to do it.  Is anyone else having issues with winamp extention version 1.2? 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 



Re: Enhanced Touch Gestures 19.11 #addonrelease

 

I actually agree.

Sadly if the reason you don't want to update is because of accessibility, then you may have to change some of that software.

I had to do this 5 years ago for some of my software.

I had to buy newer software, and change to other software to avoid some issues and upgrades and some I had to do without.

In the last update of the workstation used for most tasks, during the update, I found 4 bits of software that dammaged the system because they were not compatible.

I had to find something that would handle what was needed immediately as I had no choice but to immediately reinstall the system from scratch and also bin the effected software in question.

It hadn't been updated in an age, and users liked it but no good if it caused issues.

I had other software that while it worked was either pirated or spyware ridden.

I had to make a choice when I quit my teen years and started going freelance if I wanted to continuously bother about with alegal and spyware ridden software.

For me I found stuff that was good and works well, but I had to change my viewpoint and it did help in the long run.

One thing to note, is if you have managed to use something that will run on a multios type deal as it allready does that chances are it will run for ever now.

I have just learned that a load of unused software on an almost dead box is no longer developped or used anymore  but thats not a problem as we have moved on but still.

To the person that has issues with updating to newer software, if you can email me a list of software you use, and why you like it there is probably a way out.

winzip is for me 7zip.

nero burning rom is now cdbxp and goldwave.

I have the new applian converters for videos now, abbyy fine reader not k1000 for scanning though that was cash more than anything else, and waterfox classic though you need to hunt for some of the addons I use so it can be done.

I have also brought vmware workstation for os emulation like installing xp but I havn't kept as up to date with my vms as I should.



On 30/11/2019 6:17 am, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

Hi, Sarah,

 

I'm tempted to ask the mods to block all this person's messages. Anybody who refuses to update their software or screen readers deserves to be hacked. Sorry to be harsh but maybe this is what it'll take to make this person update their operating system and screen reader.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Friday, November 29, 2019 7:45 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Enhanced Touch Gestures 19.11 #AddonRelease

 

Oh, come on! Not again. Just update and get it over with. Do yourself and us a favior as I'm beginign to get the inkling to ask the mods to block every question fo yourse as you are using outdated softwares, and I mean very updated. See you on the otherside if someone hacks your computer because of it. We will not and cannot help you, sorry bud.

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On 29 Nov 2019, at 0:43, zahra wrote:

hi joseph.
does it support my favorite version of nvda, (2017.2)?
God bless you!

On 11/29/19, Joseph Lee joseph.lee22590@... wrote:

Hi all,

Enhanced Touch Gestures 19.11 is now available. Apart from localization
updates, the biggest change is addition of input help mode messages for
additional touch commands that come with this add-on.

IMPORTANT: this version is the last version to be compatible with NVDA
2019.2.1 and earlier.

Cheers,

Joseph

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Re: NVDA updating versions

 

Hi,
This is one of the reasons why I'm planning to update Add-on Updater last.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Friday, November 29, 2019 10:17 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA updating versions

I should imagine that after an update a lot of stuff will stop working till manually installed again.

Which is probably why everyone in the club is trying to make sure they are using the right bricks.



On 30/11/2019 5:38 am, Howard Traxler wrote:
Trying to keep up-to-date, will NVDA under the newer python simply
update itself and continue using its add-ons, or must further
contortions be navigated?

Thanks.
Howard



.

Re: issue with extention confirmed

Howard Traxler
 

It seems like you are using extention interchangebly with add-on.


On 11/29/2019 12:08 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:

I have noticed this to, I have to alt tab to winamp.

I actually like it being done this way maybe it could be added as a toggle to focus or not focus.

I have issue with any media program that focuses on itself and nvda anounces a lot of stuff then I have to stop and replay because I miss a lot of stuff but yeah it does happen sometimes not sure why.



On 30/11/2019 1:47 am, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Ken,

I cannot confirm your issue with Winamp as such.  However, there is a long standing issue that I have had since upgrading to Windows 10 and using Winamp. 

What happens is that if I click on an audio file in Windows Explorer Winamp will play but NVDA  won't focus on Winamp.  That is to say, NVDA will stay focused on the file in Windows Explorer that I have just clicked on.  If I then Press alt + tab and focus on Winamp and then release the keystroke, NVDA still will not focus on Winamp.  If I press insert + T to read the title bar after this second step, NVDA says 'explorer window.'  If I then press alt + tab to focus on Winamp again, this second time, focus stays on Winamp.

That is and has been happening for a few years, my big issue with Winamp.  If  I run Winamp from the desktop, this issue does not occur.


On 11/29/2019 7:29 AM, ken lawrence via Groups.Io wrote:

Hi listers I updated the extention for winamp the other day and as reported originally the extention made winamp invisible the NVDA can’t even read with insirt plus T that you are sitting on winamp. I had to disable the extention.  Just now after downloading a song and tagging in winamp for possible play on a radio show I decided to enable the add on and sure enough winamp vanished.  It is running but I can’t apparently even go to my context menu to view file information.  I can tag files but I have to guess what I’m focused on to do it.  Is anyone else having issues with winamp extention version 1.2? 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


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Re: NVDA updating versions

 

Well I have emailed the author of the japanese game translater, so either he does or not.

Saying that, we will have to test if addon x though incompatible will continue its function without any issue.

It will be a case by case basis but some of them may just do so others, not so much.

On 30/11/2019 5:41 am, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
A bit of both: NVDA will keep up to date by itself if you ask it to, but some add-ons will need to be updated as they are not compatible with NVDA 2019.3; for some incompatible add-ons, add-on authors said they will release compatible releases shortly before and after 2019.3 comes out; for others, they are getting onboard, while others may need to be dropped from your system as add-ons people haven't heard from authors in a while. There are at least two add-ons that will become obsolete because 2019.3 will include functionality from these add-ons.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Howard Traxler
Sent: Friday, November 29, 2019 8:39 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA updating versions

Trying to keep up-to-date, will NVDA under the newer python simply update itself and continue using its add-ons, or must further contortions be navigated?

Thanks.
Howard





.

Re: issue with extention confirmed

 

Hi,
Regarding separate versions: that's what I'm doing with some add-ons although via development snapshots. I myself have committed to making sure my own add-ons are stable for 2019.3 before doing anything major in 2020.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Friday, November 29, 2019 10:15 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] issue with extention confirmed

You know I do wander with all the incompatabilitys going on we should focus on just conversion of addons to a point, maybe not a complete conversion, but enough of it then upgrade to stable 2019.3 as soon as we can.

True there will be those using old versions but all the addons that ran before the py3 upgrade ie 2019.2x and lower have worked for that system since year 0.

I know that this isn't what users will like and usually I don't say this but since we are getting quite close maybe that could be the way to handle it.

Of course if we are still ages away, the easiest way to handle right now is have both pure 2019.2.1 addons and lower and the new updated versions for py3 for those that want to try them.

For those of us still using the old version we can continue to use it with the functionality we love and know.

On the other hand we should be handling this crap now else it may swamp us later.

Of course added to the mix, we havn't had a large failure rate, most stuff has just moved over rover with little issue on the users.



On 30/11/2019 4:46 am, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
I'm thinking that part isn't working with NVDA 2019.2.1 (Python 3 optimized
for the most part from what I can gather).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kelly Sapergia
Sent: Friday, November 29, 2019 7:36 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] issue with extention confirmed

Hi,

I also updated the WinAmp add-on to version 1.2 the other day. I can get to
WinAmp just fine, but the playlist editor doesn't work well with NVDA
anymore. Moving through the list with Up and Down arrow doesn't say what
song you're on, and pressing NVDA+Tab won't read the information that way
either now. I ended up having to disable the add-on, and can now move
through the playlist just fine.

Hope this helps.

Yours Sincerely,
Kelly John Sapergia
Show Host and Production Director
The Global Voice Internet Radio
www.theglobalvoice.info

Personal Website: www.ksapergia.net
Business Site (KJS Productions): www.kjsproductions.com Follow me on Twitter
at: kjsapergia







Re: NVDA updating versions

 

I should imagine that after an update a lot of stuff will stop working till manually installed again.

Which is probably why everyone in the club is trying to make sure they are using the right bricks.

On 30/11/2019 5:38 am, Howard Traxler wrote:
Trying to keep up-to-date, will NVDA under the newer python simply update itself and continue using its add-ons, or must further contortions be navigated?

Thanks.
Howard


.

Re: issue with extention confirmed

 

You know I do wander with all the incompatabilitys going on we should focus on just conversion of addons to a point, maybe not a complete conversion, but enough of it then upgrade to stable 2019.3 as soon as we can.

True there will be those using old versions but all the addons that ran before the py3 upgrade ie 2019.2x and lower have worked for that system since year 0.

I know that this isn't what users will like and usually I don't say this but since we are getting quite close maybe that could be the way to handle it.

Of course if we are still ages away, the easiest way to handle right now is have both pure 2019.2.1 addons and lower and the new updated versions for py3 for those that want to try them.

For those of us still using the old version we can continue to use it with the functionality we love and know.

On the other hand we should be handling this crap now else it may swamp us later.

Of course added to the mix, we havn't had a large failure rate, most stuff has just moved over rover with little issue on the users.

On 30/11/2019 4:46 am, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
I'm thinking that part isn't working with NVDA 2019.2.1 (Python 3 optimized
for the most part from what I can gather).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kelly Sapergia
Sent: Friday, November 29, 2019 7:36 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] issue with extention confirmed

Hi,

I also updated the WinAmp add-on to version 1.2 the other day. I can get to
WinAmp just fine, but the playlist editor doesn't work well with NVDA
anymore. Moving through the list with Up and Down arrow doesn't say what
song you're on, and pressing NVDA+Tab won't read the information that way
either now. I ended up having to disable the add-on, and can now move
through the playlist just fine.

Hope this helps.

Yours Sincerely,
Kelly John Sapergia
Show Host and Production Director
The Global Voice Internet Radio
www.theglobalvoice.info

Personal Website: www.ksapergia.net
Business Site (KJS Productions): www.kjsproductions.com Follow me on Twitter
at: kjsapergia






Re: issue with extention confirmed

Gene
 

Are you talking about while using the attachment or no attachment?  Also, have you tested to see if the same behavior occurs with another screen-reader?
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, November 29, 2019 12:06 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] issue with extention confirmed

I have noticed that the winamp may shift tab on its own, control tab back tothe main window.

Sometimes I have noticed the winamp is not focusing and functions like eq do not work right, but if I go to start, back out and alt tab a couple times it does.

Its not that bad though I wish it wouldn't.



On 30/11/2019 1:29 am, ken lawrence via Groups.Io wrote:

Hi listers I updated the extention for winamp the other day and as reported originally the extention made winamp invisible the NVDA can’t even read with insirt plus T that you are sitting on winamp. I had to disable the extention.  Just now after downloading a song and tagging in winamp for possible play on a radio show I decided to enable the add on and sure enough winamp vanished.  It is running but I can’t apparently even go to my context menu to view file information.  I can tag files but I have to guess what I’m focused on to do it.  Is anyone else having issues with winamp extention version 1.2? 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10