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Community add-ons and NVDA 2019.3 update: live development snapshots
Hi NVDA users,
As some of you may have noticed, certain builds of various community add-ons will advertise themselves as compatible with or requiring NVDA 2019.3 in any form. This is because several of us are releasing live development snapshots to test how add-ons are doing in the real world. This is typically done via development snapshots, but I know that some stable releases do contain code that will function in old and new NVDA releases.
Answers to some frequently asked questions:
Q. When I try to install an add-on, NVDA says “minimum version: 2019.3”.
Some add-ons (especially recent development snapshots) do require NVDA 2019.3 as they utilize code introduced in this release (not just Python 3).
Q. I have 2019.3 alpha and an add-on update says it is not compatible.
At least one add-on is retiring (or is end of life) as features from it are part of NVDA.
Q. I’m using Add-on Updater. I recently updated to a dev version yet Add-on Updater wants to download an old release.
This is due to add-on files database records. If you run into this, disable update check for affected add-ons (NVDA menu/Preferences/Settings/Add-on Updater/Do not update add-ons list and check ones you don’t want to get updates).
Q. I’m using NVDA 2019.2.1 with Add-on Updater installed, and when I check for updates, I get an update that isn’t compatible with the version I’m using.
You need to switch to stable channel for the time being (NVDA menu/Preferences/Settings/Add-on Updater/Prefer development releases, uncheck add-ons that you wish to switch to stable channel).
Q. What if my add-on is not listed n Add-on Updater?
Not all add-on updates can be checked via Add-on Updater (many speech synthesizers are excluded form update checks). The best course of action is contacting add-on authors about compatibility of these add-ons.
Q. I wish to report compatibility status of some add-ons.
Please do so if and only if you have absolutely latest releases and you are confident that the add-on in question is indeed incompatible in some way.
For people using my add-ons: for people using development snapshots of various add-ons, recent and upcoming snapshots will require NVDA 2019.3 in order to function. This is done to test how my add-ons are doing in the real world, and only after going through testing will they graduate to stable channel (this will happen after 2019.3 beta or RC is released).
Cheers, Joseph
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Re: Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.3
#addonrelease
Hi, NVDA 2019.3 stable version is not available yet, but the alpha snapshots are (I don’t recommend using alpha builds unless you are ready to provide feedback or deal with bleeding-edge code). The message about add-ons might be due to you checking for development releases. I’ll make a general community announcement about it in the coming hours. Cheers, Joseph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike Capelle
Where do I get 19.3 of NVDA? Most of my apps/addons wont work, it says I need 19.3.
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Re: Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.3
#addonrelease
On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 01:50 PM, Mike Capelle wrote:
Where do I get 19.3 of NVDA?The latest released version of NVDA is 2019.2.1. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363 Most of the change we think we see in life is due to truths being in and out of favor. ~ Robert Frost, The Black Cottage (1914)
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Re: Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.3
#addonrelease
Mike Capelle <mcap@...>
Where do I get 19.3 of NVDA? Most of my apps/addons wont work, it says I need 19.3.
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Re: Typhoon
Rosemarie Chavarria
I'll be praying for you too. I've heard those typhoons are really awful.
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On 12/1/2019 5:18 AM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:
I will be praying for you. God bless you and your family.
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Re: Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.3
#addonrelease
Gary Metzler
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From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Sunday, December 1, 2019 10:30 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.3 #AddonRelease
Hi, Glad it is resolved for you. Let us know if you run into other issues in the future. Cheers, Joseph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Hi Joseph,
I did a reset of my windows and now I get the right version number. Thanks for all your help.
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: Joseph Lee
Hi, Try going to addons.nvda-project.org. I think this issue is way beyond add-ons – it is NVDA compatibility mode problem. Cheers, Joseph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Hi Joseph,
For some reason I can’t get to the nvda add on page. I want to show the ms tech the problem I am having How can I get to the add on page? Thanks for any help.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Hi, Complete reset as in performing a Windows 10 reset with no user data left. Cheers, Joseph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee via Groups.Io
Hi, At this point, I’m out of options except for a complete reset. Cheers, Joseph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Hi Joseph,
I did a repair last night but,it didn’t help. Thanks for all your help.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Hi, Yep, this confirms the suspicion that somehow NVDA is told to run in compatibility mode when installed. If removing and reinstalling NVDA from scratch (including via portable copy) doesn’t work, chances are that this might be a registry issue that is way beyond our control. The most effective way to resolve this (apart from changing compatibility mode settings, which might be something not many people are familiar with) is a non-destructive Windows 10 reinstall using Media Creation Tool for Version 1909. Failing that, a reset might be in order (you must reinstall desktop apps including NVDA if you decide to go down this path). Joseph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Hi Joseph,
I ran the portable copy and installed from there but, I still get version 8 .
Here is the log:
INFO - __main__ (15:33:23.819): Starting NVDA INFO - core.main (15:33:24.457): Config dir: C:\Users\Owner\AppData\Roaming\nvda INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (15:33:24.457): Loading config: C:\Users\Owner\AppData\Roaming\nvda\nvda.ini INFO - core.main (15:33:24.829): NVDA version 2019.2.1 INFO - core.main (15:33:24.829): Using Windows version 6.2.9200 workstation INFO - core.main (15:33:24.829): Using Python version 2.7.16 (v2.7.16:413a49145e, Mar 4 2019, 01:30:55) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)] INFO - core.main (15:33:24.829): Using comtypes version 1.1.7 INFO - core.main (15:33:24.829): Using configobj version 5.1.0 with validate version 1.0.1 DEBUGWARNING - touchHandler.touchSupported (15:33:25.956): No touch devices found DEBUGWARNING - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver._isVoiceValid (15:33:28.309): Could not open registry key HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Speech_OneCore\Voices\Tokens\MSTTS_V110_enGB_GeorgeM, WindowsError(2, 'The system cannot find the file specified') DEBUGWARNING - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver._isVoiceValid (15:33:28.309): Could not open registry key HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Speech_OneCore\Voices\Tokens\MSTTS_V110_enGB_SusanM, WindowsError(2, 'The system cannot find the file specified') DEBUGWARNING - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver._isVoiceValid (15:33:28.309): Could not open registry key HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Speech_OneCore\Voices\Tokens\MSTTS_V110_enGB_HazelM, WindowsError(2, 'The system cannot find the file specified') INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (15:33:28.362): Loaded synthDriver oneCore DEBUGWARNING - core.main (15:33:28.362): Slow starting core (6.32 sec) DEBUGWARNING - characterProcessing._getSpeechSymbolsForLocale (15:33:28.362): No CLDR data for locale en_US INFO - core.main (15:33:28.980): Using wx version 4.0.3 msw (phoenix) wxWidgets 3.0.5 INFO - brailleInput.initialize (15:33:28.980): Braille input initialized INFO - braille.initialize (15:33:28.980): Using liblouis version 3.10.0 INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (15:33:28.996): Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0 cells. INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (15:33:29.346): UIAutomation: IUIAutomation6 DEBUGWARNING - inputCore.InputManager.loadLocaleGestureMap (15:33:29.818): No locale gesture map for language en DEBUGWARNING - touchHandler.touchSupported (15:33:29.947): No touch devices found DEBUGWARNING - Python warning (15:33:34.384): C:\Users\Owner\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\remote\globalPlugins\remoteClient\configuration.py:5: DeprecationWarning: Importing validate directly is deprecated. Please use configobj.validate instead INFO - core.main (15:33:34.607): NVDA initialized DEBUGWARNING - watchdog._watcher (15:34:17.881): Trying to recover from freeze, core stack: File "nvda.pyw", line 231, in <module> File "core.pyo", line 519, in main File "wx\core.pyo", line 2134, in MainLoop File "gui\__init__.pyo", line 1003, in Notify File "core.pyo", line 490, in run File "queueHandler.pyo", line 86, in pumpAll File "queueHandler.pyo", line 53, in flushQueue File "eventHandler.pyo", line 62, in _queueEventCallback File "eventHandler.pyo", line 150, in executeEvent File "eventHandler.pyo", line 163, in doPreGainFocus File "api.pyo", line 107, in setFocusObject File "baseObject.pyo", line 47, in __get__ File "baseObject.pyo", line 147, in _getPropertyViaCache File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyo", line 501, in _get_container File "baseObject.pyo", line 47, in __get__ File "baseObject.pyo", line 147, in _getPropertyViaCache File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyo", line 962, in _get_parent File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyo", line 78, in __call__ File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyo", line 649, in __init__ File "comtypes\__init__.pyo", line 1160, in QueryInterface
ERROR - RPC process 3228 (nvda_slave.exe) (15:34:20.319): __main__.main: slave error Traceback (most recent call last): File "nvda_slave.pyw", line 93, in main File "comHelper.pyo", line 22, in _lresultFromGetActiveObject File "comtypes\client\__init__.pyo", line 180, in GetActiveObject File "comtypes\__init__.pyo", line 1247, in GetActiveObject File "_ctypes/callproc.c", line 946, in GetResult WindowsError: [Error -2147221021] Operation unavailable DEBUGWARNING - Python warning (15:34:20.404): C:\Program Files (x86)\NVDA\library.zip\api.py:274: DeprecationWarning: Yield() is deprecated DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole (15:34:21.678): accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'The parameter is incorrect.', (None, None, None, 0, None)) DEBUGWARNING - Python warning (15:35:48.522): C:\Program Files (x86)\NVDA\library.zip\keyboardHandler.py:528: DeprecationWarning: Yield() is deprecated INFO - globalCommands.GlobalCommands.script_navigatorObject_devInfo (15:35:58.546): Developer info for navigator object: name: u'Message' role: ROLE_EDITABLETEXT states: STATE_FOCUSABLE, STATE_MULTILINE, STATE_FOCUSED isFocusable: True hasFocus: True Python object: <nvdaBuiltin.appModules.outlook.OutlookWordDocument object at 0x0A624ED0> Python class mro: (<class 'nvdaBuiltin.appModules.outlook.OutlookWordDocument'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.IAccessible.winword.WordDocument'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.behaviors.EditableTextWithoutAutoSelectDetection'>, <class 'editableText.EditableTextWithoutAutoSelectDetection'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.behaviors.EditableText'>, <class 'editableText.EditableText'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.window.winword.WordDocument'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.window.Window'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObject'>, <class 'documentBase.TextContainerObject'>, <class 'baseObject.ScriptableObject'>, <class 'baseObject.AutoPropertyObject'>, <type 'object'>) description: None location: RectLTWH(left=7, top=252, width=1569, height=600) value: None appModule: <'outlook' (appName u'outlook', process ID 1536) at address a5e55f0> appModule.productName: u'Microsoft Outlook' appModule.productVersion: u'16.0.12130.20390' TextInfo: <class 'NVDAObjects.window.winword.WordDocumentTextInfo'> windowHandle: 787432 windowClassName: u'_WwG' windowControlID: 0 windowStyle: 1442840576 extendedWindowStyle: 16 windowThreadID: 3532 windowText: u'Message' displayText: u'' IAccessibleObject: <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x5f6b2a8 at a5d1170> IAccessibleChildID: 0 IAccessible event parameters: windowHandle=787432, objectID=-4, childID=0 IAccessible accName: u'Message' IAccessible accRole: ROLE_SYSTEM_CLIENT IAccessible accState: STATE_SYSTEM_FOCUSED, STATE_SYSTEM_FOCUSABLE, STATE_SYSTEM_VALID (1048580) IAccessible accDescription: None IAccessible accValue: None
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Hi, Yep, sounds like the installed copy got compatibility mode set. Can you install this portable copy and see if that makes a difference? To do so, run the portable copy, then to go NVDA menu/Tools/Install. Do not check the box for copying portable config to installed version. Say “yes” when User Account Control (UAC) appears, and when “success” message shows up, press Enter to start the installed copy. Then with the installed copy running, open log viewer and send me the beginning part of the log as a reply, as it’ll confirm if indeed this resolved it or NVDA still set to run in compatibility mode. Cheers, Joseph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Hi Joseph,
I created a portable copy and the windows version was 10. Here is the log: INFO - __main__ (13:43:37.826): Starting NVDA INFO - core.main (13:43:38.128): Config dir: C:\Users\Owner\AppData\Roaming\nvda INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (13:43:38.128): Loading config: C:\Users\Owner\AppData\Roaming\nvda\nvda.ini INFO - core.main (13:43:38.529): NVDA version 2019.2.1 INFO - core.main (13:43:38.529): Using Windows version 10.0.18363 workstation INFO - core.main (13:43:38.529): Using Python version 2.7.16 (v2.7.16:413a49145e, Mar 4 2019, 01:30:55) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)] INFO - core.main (13:43:38.529): Using comtypes version 1.1.7 INFO - core.main (13:43:38.529): Using configobj version 5.1.0 with validate version 1.0.1 DEBUGWARNING - touchHandler.touchSupported (13:43:38.809): Touch only supported on installed copies DEBUGWARNING - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver._isVoiceValid (13:43:39.549): Could not open registry key HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Speech_OneCore\Voices\Tokens\MSTTS_V110_enGB_GeorgeM, WindowsError(2, 'The system cannot find the file specified') DEBUGWARNING - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver._isVoiceValid (13:43:39.549): Could not open registry key HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Speech_OneCore\Voices\Tokens\MSTTS_V110_enGB_SusanM, WindowsError(2, 'The system cannot find the file specified') DEBUGWARNING - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver._isVoiceValid (13:43:39.549): Could not open registry key HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Speech_OneCore\Voices\Tokens\MSTTS_V110_enGB_HazelM, WindowsError(2, 'The system cannot find the file specified') INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (13:43:39.575): Loaded synthDriver oneCore INFO - core.main (13:43:39.575): Using wx version 4.0.3 msw (phoenix) wxWidgets 3.0.5 INFO - brailleInput.initialize (13:43:39.579): Braille input initialized INFO - braille.initialize (13:43:39.585): Using liblouis version 3.10.0 INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (13:43:39.595): Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0 cells. INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (13:43:39.930): UIAutomation: IUIAutomation6 DEBUGWARNING - inputCore.InputManager.loadLocaleGestureMap (13:43:40.165): No locale gesture map for language en DEBUGWARNING - touchHandler.touchSupported (13:43:40.288): Touch only supported on installed copies DEBUGWARNING - Python warning (13:43:44.013): C:\Users\Owner\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\remote\globalPlugins\remoteClient\configuration.py:5: DeprecationWarning: Importing validate directly is deprecated. Please use configobj.validate instead INFO - core.main (13:43:44.352): NVDA initialized DEBUGWARNING - characterProcessing._getSpeechSymbolsForLocale (13:43:44.553): No CLDR data for locale en_US DEBUGWARNING - Python warning (13:43:45.071): C:\Users\Owner\AppData\Local\Temp\nsc86E4.tmp\app\library.zip\api.py:274: DeprecationWarning: Yield() is deprecated DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole (13:43:56.013): accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'The parameter is incorrect.', (None, None, None, 0, None)) INFO - globalCommands.GlobalCommands.script_navigatorObject_devInfo (13:44:23.746): Developer info for navigator object: name: u'nvda_2019.2.1.exe' role: ROLE_LISTITEM states: STATE_FOCUSABLE, STATE_SELECTABLE, STATE_FOCUSED, STATE_SELECTED isFocusable: True hasFocus: True Python object: <NVDAObjects.Dynamic_UIItemListItemUIA object at 0x055ED030> Python class mro: (<class 'NVDAObjects.Dynamic_UIItemListItemUIA'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.UIA.UIItem'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.UIA.ListItem'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.UIA.UIA'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.window.Window'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObject'>, <class 'documentBase.TextContainerObject'>, <class 'baseObject.ScriptableObject'>, <class 'baseObject.AutoPropertyObject'>, <type 'object'>) description: '' location: RectLTWH(left=460, top=591, width=478, height=22) value: '' appModule: <'explorer' (appName u'explorer', process ID 1828) at address 501e6f0> appModule.productName: u'Microsoft\xae Windows\xae Operating System' appModule.productVersion: u'10.0.18362.1' TextInfo: <class 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObjectTextInfo'> windowHandle: 459738 windowClassName: u'DirectUIHWND' windowControlID: 0 windowStyle: 1442840576 extendedWindowStyle: 0 windowThreadID: 728 windowText: u'' displayText: u'nvda_2019.2.1.exe 11/ 28/ 2019 6:33 PM 23,830 KB' UIAElement: <POINTER(IUIAutomationElement) ptr=0x8d77b88 at 5597c10> UIA automationID: 515 UIA frameworkID: DirectUI UIA runtimeID: (1828, 254995280, 0) UIA providerDescription: [pid:1828,providerId:0x0 Main(parent link):Unidentified Provider (unmanaged:explorerframe.dll)] UIA className: UIItem UIA patterns available: LegacyIAccessiblePattern, InvokePattern, ScrollItemPattern, SelectionItemPattern, ValuePattern
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Hi, If so, I’m afraid that this is beyond my area. Let’s try one more step:
Paste the log fragment as a reply to this email so Quentin and I can figure out exactly what is up. If Windows version line says “10.0.18363”, chances are that it is specific to the installed version; if it says “6.2.9200”, chances are that it is unique to your computer. If so, I advise a non-destructive feature update reinstallation – download Media Creation Tool for 1909, create an ISO, open the resulting ISO file, run setup.exe, and tell the installer to upgrade while keeping everything. Cheers, Joseph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Hi Joseph,
I re installed nvda and did your suggestions about the add ons. I still get version 8.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Hi, Ah, this explains it – somehow, NVDA was told to run in compatibility mode. Without intervention, Python 2.7 will assume it is running on Windows 8 when in fact you might be using Windows 10. Can you try the following for me:
If OneCore comes up, restart NVDA with partial add-on functionality. To do so:
If this does not help, reinstall NVDA from scratch. Cheers, Joseph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Hi Joseph,
When I press nvda shift plus 6 it says windows 8 64 bit. I hope this helps.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Hi, You may need to manually type these lines into Python Console. Another approach: if you have Resource Monitor (hopefully latest stable release), press NVDA+Shift+Number row 6 and see what NVDA says about Windows version. Cheers, Joseph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Hi Jacob,
What I did was copy and paste the lines just as Joseph typed them.
Jacob Kruger +2782 413 4791 "Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..." On 2019-11-28 10:23 AM, Gary Metzler wrote:
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Re: nvda 2019.3 incompatible addons list
Hi rui.
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Its good to know that it works. This does make me wander though on how updated the addons site is and if its kept updated regularly with compatible versions. In some ways if the links are the ame or something can be done with github, it should be automated I realise its manual and I did bring this up before, I realise it can't be kept updated all the time whenthings are released, still I do check the site and updater for addons from time to time and if things are more updated than either of those databases there may be an issue at some point in time.
On 2/12/2019 3:21 am, Rui Fontes wrote:
Hello Shaun!
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Re: NVDA not reading MS-Word Dialog Boxes
Aman Agrawal <amanagrawal456@...>
Yes all are same
On Sun, 1 Dec, 2019, 21:21 Antony Stone, <antony.stone@...> wrote: Are all the laptops identical, running the same version of Windows, and the
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Re: NVDA not reading MS-Word Dialog Boxes
Antony Stone
Are all the laptops identical, running the same version of Windows, and the
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same version of Word? If not, please tell us about the differences. Antony.
On Sunday 01 December 2019 at 12:54:34, Aman Agrawal wrote:
I have installed NVDA in 5 laptops. But in 3 laptops I'm facing a problem --
"A person lives in the UK, but commutes to France daily for work. He belongs in the UK." - From UK Revenue & Customs notice 741, page 13, paragraph 3.5.1 - http://tinyurl.com/o7gnm4 Please reply to the list; please *don't* CC me.
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NVDA not reading MS-Word Dialog Boxes
Aman Agrawal <amanagrawal456@...>
I have installed NVDA in 5 laptops. But in 3 laptops I'm facing a problem which i think you can solve.
In MS Word, while opening any dialog box ( like of Font ) , the NVDA is not reading the contents/ options provided in the dialog box.
Please help me out to solve this problem so that it can be a great help for some special Students.
Waiting for an early reply.
Thanks & Regards
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Re: Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.3
#addonrelease
Hi, Glad it is resolved for you. Let us know if you run into other issues in the future. Cheers, Joseph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Sunday, December 1, 2019 3:30 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.3 #AddonRelease
Hi Joseph,
I did a reset of my windows and now I get the right version number. Thanks for all your help.
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: Joseph Lee
Hi, Try going to addons.nvda-project.org. I think this issue is way beyond add-ons – it is NVDA compatibility mode problem. Cheers, Joseph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Hi Joseph,
For some reason I can’t get to the nvda add on page. I want to show the ms tech the problem I am having How can I get to the add on page? Thanks for any help.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Hi, Complete reset as in performing a Windows 10 reset with no user data left. Cheers, Joseph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee via Groups.Io
Hi, At this point, I’m out of options except for a complete reset. Cheers, Joseph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Hi Joseph,
I did a repair last night but,it didn’t help. Thanks for all your help.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Hi, Yep, this confirms the suspicion that somehow NVDA is told to run in compatibility mode when installed. If removing and reinstalling NVDA from scratch (including via portable copy) doesn’t work, chances are that this might be a registry issue that is way beyond our control. The most effective way to resolve this (apart from changing compatibility mode settings, which might be something not many people are familiar with) is a non-destructive Windows 10 reinstall using Media Creation Tool for Version 1909. Failing that, a reset might be in order (you must reinstall desktop apps including NVDA if you decide to go down this path). Joseph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Hi Joseph,
I ran the portable copy and installed from there but, I still get version 8 .
Here is the log:
INFO - __main__ (15:33:23.819): Starting NVDA INFO - core.main (15:33:24.457): Config dir: C:\Users\Owner\AppData\Roaming\nvda INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (15:33:24.457): Loading config: C:\Users\Owner\AppData\Roaming\nvda\nvda.ini INFO - core.main (15:33:24.829): NVDA version 2019.2.1 INFO - core.main (15:33:24.829): Using Windows version 6.2.9200 workstation INFO - core.main (15:33:24.829): Using Python version 2.7.16 (v2.7.16:413a49145e, Mar 4 2019, 01:30:55) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)] INFO - core.main (15:33:24.829): Using comtypes version 1.1.7 INFO - core.main (15:33:24.829): Using configobj version 5.1.0 with validate version 1.0.1 DEBUGWARNING - touchHandler.touchSupported (15:33:25.956): No touch devices found DEBUGWARNING - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver._isVoiceValid (15:33:28.309): Could not open registry key HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Speech_OneCore\Voices\Tokens\MSTTS_V110_enGB_GeorgeM, WindowsError(2, 'The system cannot find the file specified') DEBUGWARNING - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver._isVoiceValid (15:33:28.309): Could not open registry key HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Speech_OneCore\Voices\Tokens\MSTTS_V110_enGB_SusanM, WindowsError(2, 'The system cannot find the file specified') DEBUGWARNING - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver._isVoiceValid (15:33:28.309): Could not open registry key HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Speech_OneCore\Voices\Tokens\MSTTS_V110_enGB_HazelM, WindowsError(2, 'The system cannot find the file specified') INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (15:33:28.362): Loaded synthDriver oneCore DEBUGWARNING - core.main (15:33:28.362): Slow starting core (6.32 sec) DEBUGWARNING - characterProcessing._getSpeechSymbolsForLocale (15:33:28.362): No CLDR data for locale en_US INFO - core.main (15:33:28.980): Using wx version 4.0.3 msw (phoenix) wxWidgets 3.0.5 INFO - brailleInput.initialize (15:33:28.980): Braille input initialized INFO - braille.initialize (15:33:28.980): Using liblouis version 3.10.0 INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (15:33:28.996): Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0 cells. INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (15:33:29.346): UIAutomation: IUIAutomation6 DEBUGWARNING - inputCore.InputManager.loadLocaleGestureMap (15:33:29.818): No locale gesture map for language en DEBUGWARNING - touchHandler.touchSupported (15:33:29.947): No touch devices found DEBUGWARNING - Python warning (15:33:34.384): C:\Users\Owner\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\remote\globalPlugins\remoteClient\configuration.py:5: DeprecationWarning: Importing validate directly is deprecated. Please use configobj.validate instead INFO - core.main (15:33:34.607): NVDA initialized DEBUGWARNING - watchdog._watcher (15:34:17.881): Trying to recover from freeze, core stack: File "nvda.pyw", line 231, in <module> File "core.pyo", line 519, in main File "wx\core.pyo", line 2134, in MainLoop File "gui\__init__.pyo", line 1003, in Notify File "core.pyo", line 490, in run File "queueHandler.pyo", line 86, in pumpAll File "queueHandler.pyo", line 53, in flushQueue File "eventHandler.pyo", line 62, in _queueEventCallback File "eventHandler.pyo", line 150, in executeEvent File "eventHandler.pyo", line 163, in doPreGainFocus File "api.pyo", line 107, in setFocusObject File "baseObject.pyo", line 47, in __get__ File "baseObject.pyo", line 147, in _getPropertyViaCache File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyo", line 501, in _get_container File "baseObject.pyo", line 47, in __get__ File "baseObject.pyo", line 147, in _getPropertyViaCache File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyo", line 962, in _get_parent File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyo", line 78, in __call__ File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyo", line 649, in __init__ File "comtypes\__init__.pyo", line 1160, in QueryInterface
ERROR - RPC process 3228 (nvda_slave.exe) (15:34:20.319): __main__.main: slave error Traceback (most recent call last): File "nvda_slave.pyw", line 93, in main File "comHelper.pyo", line 22, in _lresultFromGetActiveObject File "comtypes\client\__init__.pyo", line 180, in GetActiveObject File "comtypes\__init__.pyo", line 1247, in GetActiveObject File "_ctypes/callproc.c", line 946, in GetResult WindowsError: [Error -2147221021] Operation unavailable DEBUGWARNING - Python warning (15:34:20.404): C:\Program Files (x86)\NVDA\library.zip\api.py:274: DeprecationWarning: Yield() is deprecated DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole (15:34:21.678): accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'The parameter is incorrect.', (None, None, None, 0, None)) DEBUGWARNING - Python warning (15:35:48.522): C:\Program Files (x86)\NVDA\library.zip\keyboardHandler.py:528: DeprecationWarning: Yield() is deprecated INFO - globalCommands.GlobalCommands.script_navigatorObject_devInfo (15:35:58.546): Developer info for navigator object: name: u'Message' role: ROLE_EDITABLETEXT states: STATE_FOCUSABLE, STATE_MULTILINE, STATE_FOCUSED isFocusable: True hasFocus: True Python object: <nvdaBuiltin.appModules.outlook.OutlookWordDocument object at 0x0A624ED0> Python class mro: (<class 'nvdaBuiltin.appModules.outlook.OutlookWordDocument'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.IAccessible.winword.WordDocument'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.behaviors.EditableTextWithoutAutoSelectDetection'>, <class 'editableText.EditableTextWithoutAutoSelectDetection'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.behaviors.EditableText'>, <class 'editableText.EditableText'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.window.winword.WordDocument'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.window.Window'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObject'>, <class 'documentBase.TextContainerObject'>, <class 'baseObject.ScriptableObject'>, <class 'baseObject.AutoPropertyObject'>, <type 'object'>) description: None location: RectLTWH(left=7, top=252, width=1569, height=600) value: None appModule: <'outlook' (appName u'outlook', process ID 1536) at address a5e55f0> appModule.productName: u'Microsoft Outlook' appModule.productVersion: u'16.0.12130.20390' TextInfo: <class 'NVDAObjects.window.winword.WordDocumentTextInfo'> windowHandle: 787432 windowClassName: u'_WwG' windowControlID: 0 windowStyle: 1442840576 extendedWindowStyle: 16 windowThreadID: 3532 windowText: u'Message' displayText: u'' IAccessibleObject: <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x5f6b2a8 at a5d1170> IAccessibleChildID: 0 IAccessible event parameters: windowHandle=787432, objectID=-4, childID=0 IAccessible accName: u'Message' IAccessible accRole: ROLE_SYSTEM_CLIENT IAccessible accState: STATE_SYSTEM_FOCUSED, STATE_SYSTEM_FOCUSABLE, STATE_SYSTEM_VALID (1048580) IAccessible accDescription: None IAccessible accValue: None
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Hi, Yep, sounds like the installed copy got compatibility mode set. Can you install this portable copy and see if that makes a difference? To do so, run the portable copy, then to go NVDA menu/Tools/Install. Do not check the box for copying portable config to installed version. Say “yes” when User Account Control (UAC) appears, and when “success” message shows up, press Enter to start the installed copy. Then with the installed copy running, open log viewer and send me the beginning part of the log as a reply, as it’ll confirm if indeed this resolved it or NVDA still set to run in compatibility mode. Cheers, Joseph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Hi Joseph,
I created a portable copy and the windows version was 10. Here is the log: INFO - __main__ (13:43:37.826): Starting NVDA INFO - core.main (13:43:38.128): Config dir: C:\Users\Owner\AppData\Roaming\nvda INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (13:43:38.128): Loading config: C:\Users\Owner\AppData\Roaming\nvda\nvda.ini INFO - core.main (13:43:38.529): NVDA version 2019.2.1 INFO - core.main (13:43:38.529): Using Windows version 10.0.18363 workstation INFO - core.main (13:43:38.529): Using Python version 2.7.16 (v2.7.16:413a49145e, Mar 4 2019, 01:30:55) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)] INFO - core.main (13:43:38.529): Using comtypes version 1.1.7 INFO - core.main (13:43:38.529): Using configobj version 5.1.0 with validate version 1.0.1 DEBUGWARNING - touchHandler.touchSupported (13:43:38.809): Touch only supported on installed copies DEBUGWARNING - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver._isVoiceValid (13:43:39.549): Could not open registry key HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Speech_OneCore\Voices\Tokens\MSTTS_V110_enGB_GeorgeM, WindowsError(2, 'The system cannot find the file specified') DEBUGWARNING - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver._isVoiceValid (13:43:39.549): Could not open registry key HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Speech_OneCore\Voices\Tokens\MSTTS_V110_enGB_SusanM, WindowsError(2, 'The system cannot find the file specified') DEBUGWARNING - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver._isVoiceValid (13:43:39.549): Could not open registry key HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Speech_OneCore\Voices\Tokens\MSTTS_V110_enGB_HazelM, WindowsError(2, 'The system cannot find the file specified') INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (13:43:39.575): Loaded synthDriver oneCore INFO - core.main (13:43:39.575): Using wx version 4.0.3 msw (phoenix) wxWidgets 3.0.5 INFO - brailleInput.initialize (13:43:39.579): Braille input initialized INFO - braille.initialize (13:43:39.585): Using liblouis version 3.10.0 INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (13:43:39.595): Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0 cells. INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (13:43:39.930): UIAutomation: IUIAutomation6 DEBUGWARNING - inputCore.InputManager.loadLocaleGestureMap (13:43:40.165): No locale gesture map for language en DEBUGWARNING - touchHandler.touchSupported (13:43:40.288): Touch only supported on installed copies DEBUGWARNING - Python warning (13:43:44.013): C:\Users\Owner\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\remote\globalPlugins\remoteClient\configuration.py:5: DeprecationWarning: Importing validate directly is deprecated. Please use configobj.validate instead INFO - core.main (13:43:44.352): NVDA initialized DEBUGWARNING - characterProcessing._getSpeechSymbolsForLocale (13:43:44.553): No CLDR data for locale en_US DEBUGWARNING - Python warning (13:43:45.071): C:\Users\Owner\AppData\Local\Temp\nsc86E4.tmp\app\library.zip\api.py:274: DeprecationWarning: Yield() is deprecated DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole (13:43:56.013): accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'The parameter is incorrect.', (None, None, None, 0, None)) INFO - globalCommands.GlobalCommands.script_navigatorObject_devInfo (13:44:23.746): Developer info for navigator object: name: u'nvda_2019.2.1.exe' role: ROLE_LISTITEM states: STATE_FOCUSABLE, STATE_SELECTABLE, STATE_FOCUSED, STATE_SELECTED isFocusable: True hasFocus: True Python object: <NVDAObjects.Dynamic_UIItemListItemUIA object at 0x055ED030> Python class mro: (<class 'NVDAObjects.Dynamic_UIItemListItemUIA'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.UIA.UIItem'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.UIA.ListItem'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.UIA.UIA'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.window.Window'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObject'>, <class 'documentBase.TextContainerObject'>, <class 'baseObject.ScriptableObject'>, <class 'baseObject.AutoPropertyObject'>, <type 'object'>) description: '' location: RectLTWH(left=460, top=591, width=478, height=22) value: '' appModule: <'explorer' (appName u'explorer', process ID 1828) at address 501e6f0> appModule.productName: u'Microsoft\xae Windows\xae Operating System' appModule.productVersion: u'10.0.18362.1' TextInfo: <class 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObjectTextInfo'> windowHandle: 459738 windowClassName: u'DirectUIHWND' windowControlID: 0 windowStyle: 1442840576 extendedWindowStyle: 0 windowThreadID: 728 windowText: u'' displayText: u'nvda_2019.2.1.exe 11/ 28/ 2019 6:33 PM 23,830 KB' UIAElement: <POINTER(IUIAutomationElement) ptr=0x8d77b88 at 5597c10> UIA automationID: 515 UIA frameworkID: DirectUI UIA runtimeID: (1828, 254995280, 0) UIA providerDescription: [pid:1828,providerId:0x0 Main(parent link):Unidentified Provider (unmanaged:explorerframe.dll)] UIA className: UIItem UIA patterns available: LegacyIAccessiblePattern, InvokePattern, ScrollItemPattern, SelectionItemPattern, ValuePattern
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Hi, If so, I’m afraid that this is beyond my area. Let’s try one more step:
Paste the log fragment as a reply to this email so Quentin and I can figure out exactly what is up. If Windows version line says “10.0.18363”, chances are that it is specific to the installed version; if it says “6.2.9200”, chances are that it is unique to your computer. If so, I advise a non-destructive feature update reinstallation – download Media Creation Tool for 1909, create an ISO, open the resulting ISO file, run setup.exe, and tell the installer to upgrade while keeping everything. Cheers, Joseph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Hi Joseph,
I re installed nvda and did your suggestions about the add ons. I still get version 8.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Hi, Ah, this explains it – somehow, NVDA was told to run in compatibility mode. Without intervention, Python 2.7 will assume it is running on Windows 8 when in fact you might be using Windows 10. Can you try the following for me:
If OneCore comes up, restart NVDA with partial add-on functionality. To do so:
If this does not help, reinstall NVDA from scratch. Cheers, Joseph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Hi Joseph,
When I press nvda shift plus 6 it says windows 8 64 bit. I hope this helps.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Hi, You may need to manually type these lines into Python Console. Another approach: if you have Resource Monitor (hopefully latest stable release), press NVDA+Shift+Number row 6 and see what NVDA says about Windows version. Cheers, Joseph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Hi Jacob,
What I did was copy and paste the lines just as Joseph typed them.
Jacob Kruger +2782 413 4791 "Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..." On 2019-11-28 10:23 AM, Gary Metzler wrote:
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accessing embedded video links in Power point slides
Payal Kapoor
hi,
i am working with a PPT with several slides which have not only graphics as part of the content of a slide, but also links to videos. however, i am unable to access the links(which don't show up as a link there) . i have tried everything but have had no success. when checking using insert+F1, the message very clearly said there were hyperlinks as part of the content. to test that theory, i did copy the content of the slide to a word doc and it shows a link as well. i am using the latest version of NVDA and have tried it with one of the earlier versions of JAWS 18 installed on my Windows 10 laptop. the office version is 2016. the message when focusing on the video in the slide is: video obscured. also, i saw a message about access to the links being blocked. now i don't know which key combination brought that one on. after all that mishmash of information, i would be eternally grateful to anyone who can help me get to the video links. it is critical, since those are part of the training content for work i do. thanks for any possible help. Best,
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Re: nvda 2019.3 incompatible addons list
Rui Fontes
Hello Shaun!
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Regarding add-ons help add-on: 1 - It is not from Doug Lee, but from me with lots of help from community members; 2 - It is already 2019.3 compatible; 3 - You can get the compatible version at: https://www.tiflotecnia.net/addonsHelp.nvda-addon Best regards, Rui Fontes Tiflotecnia, Lda. NVDA portuguese team Às 06:50 de 01/12/2019, Shaun Everiss escreveu:
Thats why I did note enhanced touch gestures has been updated.
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Re: Typhoon
molly the blind tech lover
I will be praying for you. God bless you and your family.
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jaffar Sidek Sent: Sunday, December 1, 2019 8:11 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] Typhoon Hi all. This is strictly Off topic I know, but please keep my family in the philippines in mind as Typhoon Kamuri with winds of up to 150 MPH, bringing with it rain of up to 16 inches is as of now raging across Luzon Island in the Philippines. The hurricane winds is slowly rising, blowing across the area where we live. and is expected to peak early this morning, philippines time. I am expected to return to my family for christmes as I am currently working in Singapore. I only hope that I can return to my wife and kids with the knowledge that they are safe and sound. To those of you who believe in God, please pray for us. If you don't, keep us in your hopes. Thank you.
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Typhoon
Jaffar Sidek
Hi all. This is strictly Off topic I know, but please keep my family in the philippines in mind as Typhoon Kamuri with winds of up to 150 MPH, bringing with it rain of up to 16 inches is as of now raging across Luzon Island in the Philippines. The hurricane winds is slowly rising, blowing across the area where we live. and is expected to peak early this morning, philippines time. I am expected to return to my family for christmes as I am currently working in Singapore. I only hope that I can return to my wife and kids with the knowledge that they are safe and sound. To those of you who believe in God, please pray for us. If you don't, keep us in your hopes. Thank you.
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Re: Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.3
#addonrelease
Gary Metzler
Hi Joseph,
I did a reset of my windows and now I get the right version number. Thanks for all your help.
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Friday, November 29, 2019 6:04 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.3 #AddonRelease
Hi, Try going to addons.nvda-project.org. I think this issue is way beyond add-ons – it is NVDA compatibility mode problem. Cheers, Joseph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Hi Joseph,
For some reason I can’t get to the nvda add on page. I want to show the ms tech the problem I am having How can I get to the add on page? Thanks for any help.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Hi, Complete reset as in performing a Windows 10 reset with no user data left. Cheers, Joseph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee via Groups.Io
Hi, At this point, I’m out of options except for a complete reset. Cheers, Joseph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Hi Joseph,
I did a repair last night but,it didn’t help. Thanks for all your help.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Hi, Yep, this confirms the suspicion that somehow NVDA is told to run in compatibility mode when installed. If removing and reinstalling NVDA from scratch (including via portable copy) doesn’t work, chances are that this might be a registry issue that is way beyond our control. The most effective way to resolve this (apart from changing compatibility mode settings, which might be something not many people are familiar with) is a non-destructive Windows 10 reinstall using Media Creation Tool for Version 1909. Failing that, a reset might be in order (you must reinstall desktop apps including NVDA if you decide to go down this path). Joseph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Hi Joseph,
I ran the portable copy and installed from there but, I still get version 8 .
Here is the log:
INFO - __main__ (15:33:23.819): Starting NVDA INFO - core.main (15:33:24.457): Config dir: C:\Users\Owner\AppData\Roaming\nvda INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (15:33:24.457): Loading config: C:\Users\Owner\AppData\Roaming\nvda\nvda.ini INFO - core.main (15:33:24.829): NVDA version 2019.2.1 INFO - core.main (15:33:24.829): Using Windows version 6.2.9200 workstation INFO - core.main (15:33:24.829): Using Python version 2.7.16 (v2.7.16:413a49145e, Mar 4 2019, 01:30:55) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)] INFO - core.main (15:33:24.829): Using comtypes version 1.1.7 INFO - core.main (15:33:24.829): Using configobj version 5.1.0 with validate version 1.0.1 DEBUGWARNING - touchHandler.touchSupported (15:33:25.956): No touch devices found DEBUGWARNING - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver._isVoiceValid (15:33:28.309): Could not open registry key HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Speech_OneCore\Voices\Tokens\MSTTS_V110_enGB_GeorgeM, WindowsError(2, 'The system cannot find the file specified') DEBUGWARNING - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver._isVoiceValid (15:33:28.309): Could not open registry key HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Speech_OneCore\Voices\Tokens\MSTTS_V110_enGB_SusanM, WindowsError(2, 'The system cannot find the file specified') DEBUGWARNING - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver._isVoiceValid (15:33:28.309): Could not open registry key HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Speech_OneCore\Voices\Tokens\MSTTS_V110_enGB_HazelM, WindowsError(2, 'The system cannot find the file specified') INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (15:33:28.362): Loaded synthDriver oneCore DEBUGWARNING - core.main (15:33:28.362): Slow starting core (6.32 sec) DEBUGWARNING - characterProcessing._getSpeechSymbolsForLocale (15:33:28.362): No CLDR data for locale en_US INFO - core.main (15:33:28.980): Using wx version 4.0.3 msw (phoenix) wxWidgets 3.0.5 INFO - brailleInput.initialize (15:33:28.980): Braille input initialized INFO - braille.initialize (15:33:28.980): Using liblouis version 3.10.0 INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (15:33:28.996): Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0 cells. INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (15:33:29.346): UIAutomation: IUIAutomation6 DEBUGWARNING - inputCore.InputManager.loadLocaleGestureMap (15:33:29.818): No locale gesture map for language en DEBUGWARNING - touchHandler.touchSupported (15:33:29.947): No touch devices found DEBUGWARNING - Python warning (15:33:34.384): C:\Users\Owner\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\remote\globalPlugins\remoteClient\configuration.py:5: DeprecationWarning: Importing validate directly is deprecated. Please use configobj.validate instead INFO - core.main (15:33:34.607): NVDA initialized DEBUGWARNING - watchdog._watcher (15:34:17.881): Trying to recover from freeze, core stack: File "nvda.pyw", line 231, in <module> File "core.pyo", line 519, in main File "wx\core.pyo", line 2134, in MainLoop File "gui\__init__.pyo", line 1003, in Notify File "core.pyo", line 490, in run File "queueHandler.pyo", line 86, in pumpAll File "queueHandler.pyo", line 53, in flushQueue File "eventHandler.pyo", line 62, in _queueEventCallback File "eventHandler.pyo", line 150, in executeEvent File "eventHandler.pyo", line 163, in doPreGainFocus File "api.pyo", line 107, in setFocusObject File "baseObject.pyo", line 47, in __get__ File "baseObject.pyo", line 147, in _getPropertyViaCache File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyo", line 501, in _get_container File "baseObject.pyo", line 47, in __get__ File "baseObject.pyo", line 147, in _getPropertyViaCache File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyo", line 962, in _get_parent File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyo", line 78, in __call__ File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyo", line 649, in __init__ File "comtypes\__init__.pyo", line 1160, in QueryInterface
ERROR - RPC process 3228 (nvda_slave.exe) (15:34:20.319): __main__.main: slave error Traceback (most recent call last): File "nvda_slave.pyw", line 93, in main File "comHelper.pyo", line 22, in _lresultFromGetActiveObject File "comtypes\client\__init__.pyo", line 180, in GetActiveObject File "comtypes\__init__.pyo", line 1247, in GetActiveObject File "_ctypes/callproc.c", line 946, in GetResult WindowsError: [Error -2147221021] Operation unavailable DEBUGWARNING - Python warning (15:34:20.404): C:\Program Files (x86)\NVDA\library.zip\api.py:274: DeprecationWarning: Yield() is deprecated DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole (15:34:21.678): accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'The parameter is incorrect.', (None, None, None, 0, None)) DEBUGWARNING - Python warning (15:35:48.522): C:\Program Files (x86)\NVDA\library.zip\keyboardHandler.py:528: DeprecationWarning: Yield() is deprecated INFO - globalCommands.GlobalCommands.script_navigatorObject_devInfo (15:35:58.546): Developer info for navigator object: name: u'Message' role: ROLE_EDITABLETEXT states: STATE_FOCUSABLE, STATE_MULTILINE, STATE_FOCUSED isFocusable: True hasFocus: True Python object: <nvdaBuiltin.appModules.outlook.OutlookWordDocument object at 0x0A624ED0> Python class mro: (<class 'nvdaBuiltin.appModules.outlook.OutlookWordDocument'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.IAccessible.winword.WordDocument'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.behaviors.EditableTextWithoutAutoSelectDetection'>, <class 'editableText.EditableTextWithoutAutoSelectDetection'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.behaviors.EditableText'>, <class 'editableText.EditableText'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.window.winword.WordDocument'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.window.Window'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObject'>, <class 'documentBase.TextContainerObject'>, <class 'baseObject.ScriptableObject'>, <class 'baseObject.AutoPropertyObject'>, <type 'object'>) description: None location: RectLTWH(left=7, top=252, width=1569, height=600) value: None appModule: <'outlook' (appName u'outlook', process ID 1536) at address a5e55f0> appModule.productName: u'Microsoft Outlook' appModule.productVersion: u'16.0.12130.20390' TextInfo: <class 'NVDAObjects.window.winword.WordDocumentTextInfo'> windowHandle: 787432 windowClassName: u'_WwG' windowControlID: 0 windowStyle: 1442840576 extendedWindowStyle: 16 windowThreadID: 3532 windowText: u'Message' displayText: u'' IAccessibleObject: <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x5f6b2a8 at a5d1170> IAccessibleChildID: 0 IAccessible event parameters: windowHandle=787432, objectID=-4, childID=0 IAccessible accName: u'Message' IAccessible accRole: ROLE_SYSTEM_CLIENT IAccessible accState: STATE_SYSTEM_FOCUSED, STATE_SYSTEM_FOCUSABLE, STATE_SYSTEM_VALID (1048580) IAccessible accDescription: None IAccessible accValue: None
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Hi, Yep, sounds like the installed copy got compatibility mode set. Can you install this portable copy and see if that makes a difference? To do so, run the portable copy, then to go NVDA menu/Tools/Install. Do not check the box for copying portable config to installed version. Say “yes” when User Account Control (UAC) appears, and when “success” message shows up, press Enter to start the installed copy. Then with the installed copy running, open log viewer and send me the beginning part of the log as a reply, as it’ll confirm if indeed this resolved it or NVDA still set to run in compatibility mode. Cheers, Joseph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Hi Joseph,
I created a portable copy and the windows version was 10. Here is the log: INFO - __main__ (13:43:37.826): Starting NVDA INFO - core.main (13:43:38.128): Config dir: C:\Users\Owner\AppData\Roaming\nvda INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (13:43:38.128): Loading config: C:\Users\Owner\AppData\Roaming\nvda\nvda.ini INFO - core.main (13:43:38.529): NVDA version 2019.2.1 INFO - core.main (13:43:38.529): Using Windows version 10.0.18363 workstation INFO - core.main (13:43:38.529): Using Python version 2.7.16 (v2.7.16:413a49145e, Mar 4 2019, 01:30:55) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)] INFO - core.main (13:43:38.529): Using comtypes version 1.1.7 INFO - core.main (13:43:38.529): Using configobj version 5.1.0 with validate version 1.0.1 DEBUGWARNING - touchHandler.touchSupported (13:43:38.809): Touch only supported on installed copies DEBUGWARNING - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver._isVoiceValid (13:43:39.549): Could not open registry key HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Speech_OneCore\Voices\Tokens\MSTTS_V110_enGB_GeorgeM, WindowsError(2, 'The system cannot find the file specified') DEBUGWARNING - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver._isVoiceValid (13:43:39.549): Could not open registry key HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Speech_OneCore\Voices\Tokens\MSTTS_V110_enGB_SusanM, WindowsError(2, 'The system cannot find the file specified') DEBUGWARNING - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver._isVoiceValid (13:43:39.549): Could not open registry key HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Speech_OneCore\Voices\Tokens\MSTTS_V110_enGB_HazelM, WindowsError(2, 'The system cannot find the file specified') INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (13:43:39.575): Loaded synthDriver oneCore INFO - core.main (13:43:39.575): Using wx version 4.0.3 msw (phoenix) wxWidgets 3.0.5 INFO - brailleInput.initialize (13:43:39.579): Braille input initialized INFO - braille.initialize (13:43:39.585): Using liblouis version 3.10.0 INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (13:43:39.595): Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0 cells. INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (13:43:39.930): UIAutomation: IUIAutomation6 DEBUGWARNING - inputCore.InputManager.loadLocaleGestureMap (13:43:40.165): No locale gesture map for language en DEBUGWARNING - touchHandler.touchSupported (13:43:40.288): Touch only supported on installed copies DEBUGWARNING - Python warning (13:43:44.013): C:\Users\Owner\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\remote\globalPlugins\remoteClient\configuration.py:5: DeprecationWarning: Importing validate directly is deprecated. Please use configobj.validate instead INFO - core.main (13:43:44.352): NVDA initialized DEBUGWARNING - characterProcessing._getSpeechSymbolsForLocale (13:43:44.553): No CLDR data for locale en_US DEBUGWARNING - Python warning (13:43:45.071): C:\Users\Owner\AppData\Local\Temp\nsc86E4.tmp\app\library.zip\api.py:274: DeprecationWarning: Yield() is deprecated DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole (13:43:56.013): accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'The parameter is incorrect.', (None, None, None, 0, None)) INFO - globalCommands.GlobalCommands.script_navigatorObject_devInfo (13:44:23.746): Developer info for navigator object: name: u'nvda_2019.2.1.exe' role: ROLE_LISTITEM states: STATE_FOCUSABLE, STATE_SELECTABLE, STATE_FOCUSED, STATE_SELECTED isFocusable: True hasFocus: True Python object: <NVDAObjects.Dynamic_UIItemListItemUIA object at 0x055ED030> Python class mro: (<class 'NVDAObjects.Dynamic_UIItemListItemUIA'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.UIA.UIItem'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.UIA.ListItem'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.UIA.UIA'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.window.Window'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObject'>, <class 'documentBase.TextContainerObject'>, <class 'baseObject.ScriptableObject'>, <class 'baseObject.AutoPropertyObject'>, <type 'object'>) description: '' location: RectLTWH(left=460, top=591, width=478, height=22) value: '' appModule: <'explorer' (appName u'explorer', process ID 1828) at address 501e6f0> appModule.productName: u'Microsoft\xae Windows\xae Operating System' appModule.productVersion: u'10.0.18362.1' TextInfo: <class 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObjectTextInfo'> windowHandle: 459738 windowClassName: u'DirectUIHWND' windowControlID: 0 windowStyle: 1442840576 extendedWindowStyle: 0 windowThreadID: 728 windowText: u'' displayText: u'nvda_2019.2.1.exe 11/ 28/ 2019 6:33 PM 23,830 KB' UIAElement: <POINTER(IUIAutomationElement) ptr=0x8d77b88 at 5597c10> UIA automationID: 515 UIA frameworkID: DirectUI UIA runtimeID: (1828, 254995280, 0) UIA providerDescription: [pid:1828,providerId:0x0 Main(parent link):Unidentified Provider (unmanaged:explorerframe.dll)] UIA className: UIItem UIA patterns available: LegacyIAccessiblePattern, InvokePattern, ScrollItemPattern, SelectionItemPattern, ValuePattern
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Hi, If so, I’m afraid that this is beyond my area. Let’s try one more step:
Paste the log fragment as a reply to this email so Quentin and I can figure out exactly what is up. If Windows version line says “10.0.18363”, chances are that it is specific to the installed version; if it says “6.2.9200”, chances are that it is unique to your computer. If so, I advise a non-destructive feature update reinstallation – download Media Creation Tool for 1909, create an ISO, open the resulting ISO file, run setup.exe, and tell the installer to upgrade while keeping everything. Cheers, Joseph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Hi Joseph,
I re installed nvda and did your suggestions about the add ons. I still get version 8.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Hi, Ah, this explains it – somehow, NVDA was told to run in compatibility mode. Without intervention, Python 2.7 will assume it is running on Windows 8 when in fact you might be using Windows 10. Can you try the following for me:
If OneCore comes up, restart NVDA with partial add-on functionality. To do so:
If this does not help, reinstall NVDA from scratch. Cheers, Joseph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Hi Joseph,
When I press nvda shift plus 6 it says windows 8 64 bit. I hope this helps.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Hi, You may need to manually type these lines into Python Console. Another approach: if you have Resource Monitor (hopefully latest stable release), press NVDA+Shift+Number row 6 and see what NVDA says about Windows version. Cheers, Joseph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Hi Jacob,
What I did was copy and paste the lines just as Joseph typed them.
Jacob Kruger +2782 413 4791 "Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..." On 2019-11-28 10:23 AM, Gary Metzler wrote:
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Re: Why does NVDA say selected instead at times?
Gene
I'm curious what changed in NVDA. It didn't
used to do that. I don't know when it started.
Gene
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Programming Braille Displays
Pele West
Hi Everyone
I am quite new to NVDA and have not played with it very much. Is there a way, either in NVDA itself or with an addon, to program the keys on braille displays as one can in JAWS? I have a Brailliant 64 and my husband has an Alva 680 and we both use the keys to perform lot of actions. Thanks pele West
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Re: nvda 2019.3 incompatible addons list
Well to be honest, if your noncompatible addon appears on the list and you know it is thats fine.
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Its more for those that don't know, don't care or just havn't looked in a while. I don't use all addons but I thought I should really put a buck in and see what worked or not. I usually don't test alphas but since I have been arguing over the last 2 days sooner or later I'd be asked to put my money where my mouth was and decided that I'd better do so, especially since I had some time to do it. As I said if your addon is on the list or will be on the list and that goes to all developers that know thats fine. It would be nice to have more devs tell us if they are or not.
On 1/12/2019 7:59 pm, Joseph Lee wrote:
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