To be fair, it's not that simple. A lot of times for me, alerts get
interrupted by some other web event, and i only get part of them. So
having a way to access them would be pretty handy. Suppose for example
that a page is loading. An alert pops up, but then the page finishes
loading and NVDA begins reading the page. There goes the alert message.


On 12/3/2019 10:49, Gene wrote:
> What browser are you using?  It is the browser that displays these
> kinds of alerts in certain places, whether they originate from the
> browser or the web page.  If you let the entire message speak and
> don't interrupt it, you should hear choices with commands for them
> like allow, alt a don't allow, alt d.  I made up those choices and
> letters but I make sure to listen to all speech and pay very close
> attention to the choices and commands.
> I'm not sure if and how you see these things after they have spoken. 
> If an unfamiliar message occurs, unless you know it is of no interest,
> don't stop it and pay very close attention to see if any choices and
> commands are given if the message is that kind of message.
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* leochick78@... <mailto:leochick78@...>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 03, 2019 10:39 AM
> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> *Subject:* [nvda] Accessing alerts on webpages
>
> How does one access alerts on a webpage?  Like the would you like to
> save this password alert or answer an incoming chat request on a chat
> help page?
>
> Thanks for any help,
>
> Sarah
>

On 12/3/2019 10:49, Gene wrote:

What browser are you using?  It is the browser that displays these
kinds of alerts in certain places, whether they originate from the
browser or the web page.  If you let the entire message speak and
don't interrupt it, you should hear choices with commands for them
like allow, alt a don't allow, alt d.  I made up those choices and
letters but I make sure to listen to all speech and pay very close
attention to the choices and commands.
I'm not sure if and how you see these things after they have spoken. 
If an unfamiliar message occurs, unless you know it is of no interest,
don't stop it and pay very close attention to see if any choices and
commands are given if the message is that kind of message.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* leochick78@... <mailto:leochick78@...>
*Sent:* Tuesday, December 03, 2019 10:39 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* [nvda] Accessing alerts on webpages

How does one access alerts on a webpage?  Like the would you like to
save this password alert or answer an incoming chat request on a chat
help page?

Thanks for any help,

Sarah

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Russell
Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2019 11:11 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Track Changes, The NVDA Manual?

Hi NVDA,

I hope someone can simplify this enough to help me feel more competent.

I have a word document that contains comments or track changes.

If I open the attachment, have protected mode turned off, will the following steps allow me to read the document and added comments together?
1. Control-home to get to top of document.
2. The insert key plus spacebar to get browse mode?
3. Then, press the insert key and f7 at the same time to reveal the comments and the document?

Here is the manual explanation:
All comments for the document, along with other tracked changes, can also be listed in the NVDA Elements List when selecting Annotations as the type.

Thanks for the help in advance!

--
David Russell
david.sonofhashem@...

From reports I've seen of those using the Beta, it is stable and many people are using it.  Since you've already downloaded it, I think you'll be satisfied with it.  We'll see what others say.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Jarek.Krcmar

Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2019 8:07 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] Where I can find the latest version of Winamp?

Hello group,

I have downloaded the Extended Winamp Nvda addon, and I would like
download a new version of Winamp.

Could you advice, please, where I can find it?

I found beta of Winamp 5.8, but I would like to download a stabile version.

Rigards:


--
Jarek

Hi Gene, thank you.

I have downloaded and installed Winamp 5.8 and I have downloaded also an Extended Winamp for Nvda. But it seems that the addon Extended Winamp does not work.

What can I do, for it could work?

Jarek

From reports I've seen of those using the Beta, it is stable and many people are using it.  Since you've already downloaded it, I think you'll be satisfied with it.  We'll see what others say.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Jarek.Krcmar

Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2019 8:07 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] Where I can find the latest version of Winamp?

Hello group,

I have downloaded the Extended Winamp Nvda addon, and I would like
download a new version of Winamp.

Could you advice, please, where I can find it?

I found beta of Winamp 5.8, but I would like to download a stabile version.

Rigards:


--
Jarek

Hi Gene, thank you.

I have downloaded and installed Winamp 5.8 and I have downloaded also an Extended Winamp for Nvda. But it seems that the addon Extended Winamp does not work.

What can I do, for it could work?

Jarek

From reports I've seen of those using the Beta, it is stable and many people are using it.  Since you've already downloaded it, I think you'll be satisfied with it.  We'll see what others say.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Jarek.Krcmar

Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2019 8:07 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] Where I can find the latest version of Winamp?

Hello group,

I have downloaded the Extended Winamp Nvda addon, and I would like
download a new version of Winamp.

Could you advice, please, where I can find it?

I found beta of Winamp 5.8, but I would like to download a stabile version.

Rigards:


--
Jarek

Hi Gene, thank you.

I have downloaded and installed Winamp 5.8 and I have downloaded also an Extended Winamp for Nvda. But it seems that the addon Extended Winamp does not work.

What can I do, for it could work?

Jarek

From reports I've seen of those using the Beta, it is stable and many people are using it.  Since you've already downloaded it, I think you'll be satisfied with it.  We'll see what others say.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Jarek.Krcmar

Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2019 8:07 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] Where I can find the latest version of Winamp?

Hello group,

I have downloaded the Extended Winamp Nvda addon, and I would like
download a new version of Winamp.

Could you advice, please, where I can find it?

I found beta of Winamp 5.8, but I would like to download a stabile version.

Rigards:


--
Jarek

How does one access alerts on a webpage?  Like the would you like to save this password alert or answer an incoming chat request on a chat help page?

Thanks for any help,

Sarah

From reports I've seen of those using the Beta, it is stable and many people are using it.  Since you've already downloaded it, I think you'll be satisfied with it.  We'll see what others say.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Jarek.Krcmar

Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2019 8:07 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] Where I can find the latest version of Winamp?

Hello group,

I have downloaded the Extended Winamp Nvda addon, and I would like
download a new version of Winamp.

Could you advice, please, where I can find it?

I found beta of Winamp 5.8, but I would like to download a stabile version.

Rigards:


--
Jarek

Hello group,

I have downloaded the Extended Winamp Nvda addon, and I would like
download a new version of Winamp.

Could you advice, please, where I can find it?

I found beta of Winamp 5.8, but I would like to download a stabile version.

Rigards:


--
Jarek

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jaffar Sidek
Sent: Monday, December 2, 2019 5:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Typhoon update

Hi. First, thanks to those who prayed for us and to those who kept us in mind. Me and my family, we truly appreciate your concern and thank you all from the bottom of our hearts. The worst of the typhoon has almost passed, and my family is safe. As of now, though the rain is heavy, the winds are slowing down. I personally couldn't be at peace if I didn't know that you are all praying for and wishing your best for my family's safety. Thank you.

On 12/3/19, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:

Hi Payal,

There are several different ways of inserting videos. Depending on how it
was inserted, PowerPoint treats it differently when running the
presentation. To be honest, from what you've described I'm not exactly
sure how they created it. If you can get it to work though, that's good :)

Linking to other powerpoint files from within one file is not something I
would generally try to do. If it works, I guess that's one way of doing
things, but it seems messy.

Copying things out of PowerPoint can be done in a couple of ways depending
on what you need.

If you go to Outline view (alt+w, p, o) you can select all (control+a) then
copy (control+c), move to Word and paste it (control+v). It won't
necessarily paste everything, but in general, it should copy most titles,
and possibly some content (again, PowerPoint is not very consistent, and it
depends on the content).

You could also move to the top of your presentation, and on the first
slide, select all, copy and paste into Word, come back, press page down,
repeat. Graphics don't always copy nicely, but text is often ok.

If what you really want is a set of notes to work off when presenting, you
can use F6 to jump between sections until you get to the notes section,
type what you want for each slide, and then when you run the slideshow,
press CONTROL+SHIFT+S to toggle between NVDA reading the slide content, and
the speaker notes.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 10:15 PM Payal Kapoor <payal69@...> wrote:

hi Quentin,
here is my response to the questions you've asked. thought i'd break
them up into two parts.
Q: When you say link to a video, do you mean a text URL or link on the
slide, or do you mean an embedded video? When you activate a link it
will open your browser to the specified URL. An embedded video has a
preview of the video (a still image, similar to that shown on
thumbnails in Youtube etc) with a triangle play button), when you
activate it, the video plays there in the slideshow without opening
another program.
P: There is no real text link, only some image and text saying video.
when coppied on to a word doc, it says hyperlink, but, no real URL. i
am not sure what that would be ccalled. it is however, not an external
source, but links to a folder that has all the relevant videos. i was
told it links there and plays.
essentially, it is an entire presentation made by sighted folk at my
work place that is used for training. i am the first blind person
attempting to use it. it contains two different PPTs for two different
programmes we run. also, it has other training material we access from
within the whole thing.
Q: Activating links is a bit problematic and sounds like what you are
encountering. To activate a link on a slide, press TAB to move to it
- NVDA reports nothing - and then press ENTER. Out of curiosity,
since you mentioned trying it with Jaws, did you have trouble with
Jaws as well? (That would help narrow down the issue - if it works
fine with Jaws, it could be NVDA not responding correctly to the link
- if it doesn't work any better with Jaws then it's more likely to be
PowerPoint not exposing it correctly).
P: I think what you have said about the problem with accessing links
is exactly what i'm having trouble with. however, i noticed that when
the PPT is in slide mode, where more specifically, i activate the edit
mode by pressing enter when in the specific slide, the link appears
alongside the video. arrow down to it, choosing the open hyperlink
option in the applications menu, voila! the video began playing.
i was told that this option cannot be used when making a presentation,
since it is not visually appealing or as good as it is in the
presentation mode.
the presentation mode won't show me a link,and when pressing enter
there brings a prompt saying-no pointer available; choose a pointer.
back to the application menu, but this time, all the pointer options
do nothing.
JAWS did nothing different either. in fact, NVDA allowed me to see the
link; JAWS didn't. that might also be due to the old version of JAWS i
have installed on my laptop.
also, could you tell me how can i copy the contents of the slides, so
i have it in a word doc to refer as notes rather than opepning the PPT
eacj time? i did try the universal copy paste command, but strangely
nothing showed up.
this is definitely a deterrent in being able to run presentations
visually for sighted folk when training. i hope we find a resolution
to it soon enough.
thanks for the help.
Best,
Payal


On 12/2/19, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:

When you say link to a video, do you mean a text URL or link on the

slide,

or do you mean an embedded video? When you activate a link it will
open
your browser to the specified URL. An embedded video has a preview of

the

video (a still image, similar to that shown on thumbnails in Youtube
etc)
with a triangle play button), when you activate it, the video plays
there
in the slideshow without opening another program.

While running the slideshow, activating embedded videos should work ok.
Activating links is a bit problematic and sounds like what you are
encountering. To activate a link on a slide, press TAB to move to it -
NVDA reports nothing - and then press ENTER. Out of curiosity, since
you
mentioned trying it with Jaws, did you have trouble with Jaws as well?
(That would help narrow down the issue - if it works fine with Jaws, it
could be NVDA not responding correctly to the link - if it doesn't work

any

better with Jaws then it's more likely to be PowerPoint not exposing it
correctly).

Re obscured, that is usually reported at design time (ie when you open

the

file in PowerPoint but haven't pressed F5 to run the slideshow). and

means

that one placeholder is covering another on the slide. It may not mean

the

contents of each aren't visible - if you have a one line title, but

expand

the size of the placeholder to cover the whole slide, it won't actually
hide any other content but it will announce that it is covering it (and
that the other content is obscured). Overlapping placeholders can also

be

used for visual effect, although in general, when creating, it is
safest

to

try to avoid overlapping unless you are sure of what you are doing.

If you want to activate a link within a placeholder at design time, you

can

move to it, then open the context menu and select "Open link".

We do have an issue for the problem with links while running slideshows
here: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/7288 Feel free to add
any
extra comments on that (if you do, the issue is still present in the

latest

alpha).

Regards

Quentin.

On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 2:02 AM Payal Kapoor <payal69@...> wrote:

hi,
i am working with a PPT with several slides which have not only
graphics as part of the content of a slide, but also links to videos.
however, i am unable to access the links(which don't show up as a link
there) .
i have tried everything but have had no success. when checking using
insert+F1, the message very clearly said there were hyperlinks as part
of the content.
to test that theory, i did copy the content of the slide to a word doc
and it shows a link as well.
i am using the latest version of NVDA and have tried it with one of
the earlier versions of JAWS 18 installed on my Windows 10 laptop.
the office version is 2016.
the message when focusing on the video in the slide is: video
obscured. also, i saw a message about access to the links being
blocked. now i don't know which key combination brought that one on.
after all that mishmash of information, i would be eternally grateful
to anyone who can help me get to the video links.
it is critical, since those are part of the training content for work
i
do.
thanks for any possible help.
Best,

--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Web: www.nvaccess.org
Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/
User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>

--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Web: www.nvaccess.org
Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/
User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>

On 12/2/2019 5:23 PM, Jaffar Sidek wrote:

Hi. First, thanks to those who prayed for us and to those who kept us in mind.  Me and my family, we truly appreciate your concern and thank you all from the bottom of our hearts.  The worst of the typhoon has almost passed, and my family is safe.  As of now, though the rain is heavy, the winds are slowing down.  I personally couldn't be at peace if I didn't know that you are all praying for and wishing your best for my family's  safety. Thank you.

It's not a combo box. It's a combo edit box, like the suggestions on Google search. Standard combo boxes don't allow users to type a value in, but the run dialog does, obviously. Selecting any option from the list causes the value to be placed immediately in the text field of the run dialog. The options in the combo box portion of the control serve as autocomplete options. The run dialog in Windows has actually been this way since Windows 95.

Perhaps.  I wonder if this is information Microsoft is presenting.  It doesn't sound like something NVDA would do.

 

I should correct an error.  I initially said the run dialog presents a list.  It’s a combo box but it evidently is not a standard one.  I don't know how they look but combo boxes don't usually announce items as selected. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Laughing Thunder

Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2019 2:48 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Why does NVDA say selected instead at times?

I actually have no idea. Perhaps someone else with more knowledge on that side of things can explain.

On 12/1/2019 4:55 AM, Gene wrote:

I'm curious what changed in NVDA.  It didn't used to do that.  I don't know when it started.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Laughing Thunder

Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 10:56 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Why does NVDA say selected instead at times?

This happens because text in the run dialogue is selected by default when the dialogue opens. When you use the up and down arrow keys to move through the history of commands you have entered, the text changes, but the selection remains. Windows simply puts the new text into the text field every time you press up or down, but the text never gets unselected before being changed.

On Nov 30, 2019, at 4:38 PM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:



I updated to Windows 7 Service pack 1 recently to try to solve a problem which wasn’t solved in that way.  I had put it off because there was a version of a program I can’t run after the update.  It’s a little less convenient but I can run a newer version and I almost never run it anyway. 

 

Which is to explain why I hadn’t played with newer versions of NVDA for a good while.  But now, I’m curious about something.  When I am in the run dialog and up and down arrow in the list of things I have run, NVDA says the word instead off and on.  It might say Notepad selected, then if I down arrow, it might say c:\audio selected instead or maybe Wordpad selected instead.  This isn’t consistent and it doesn’t do this in Windows Explorer.  I’m curious why that is.

 

Gene

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