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How to reach cookie warning banners in Windows 10

Brian Crabtree <pandbcrabtree@...>
 

Excuse me for posting this question again. Perhaps because of heavy focus on other topics, it got no replies the first time, but there must be folks out there who can supply answers.

Please could someone suggest how to reach and dismiss the banner that comes up on websites, advising me that the site uses cookies.

There is an x at the end of the banner, but I have tried everything I know, firstly to navigate to the banner and then to reach the x to dismiss it with NVDA and cannot get anywhere near it. I am on Windows 10 and the latest official release of NVDA.

Is there perhaps a Windows command which helps? Brian Crabtree
Is anyone using Thunderbird with Braille?

John J. Boyer
 

It seems that NNVDA is showing exrtaneous information at the beginning
of lines. That is very confusing. For example, it will display Inbox
(58) as I arrow from one folder to another, then the name of the folder.
As noted previously, i can't find the tree view with the accounts.

John

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Re: Switching accounts in Thunderbird

Tyler Spivey
 

Go to the list of messages. Shift tab. What do you get?

On 7/27/2016 9:26 PM, John J. Boyer wrote:
I can't find the tree view with the accounts.

John

On Wed, Jul 27, 2016 at 08:53:35PM -0500, John J. Boyer wrote:
I have several accounts on Thunderbird. I get stuck in one account and
can't switch to another. How do I make the switch?

Thanks,
John

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Location: Madison, Wisconsin USA
Mission: To develop softwares and provide STEM services for people with
disabilities which are available at no cost.
Re: Switching accounts in Thunderbird

John J. Boyer
 

I can't find the tree view with the accounts.

John

On Wed, Jul 27, 2016 at 08:53:35PM -0500, John J. Boyer wrote:
I have several accounts on Thunderbird. I get stuck in one account and
can't switch to another. How do I make the switch?

Thanks,
John

--
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AbilitiesSoft, Inc.
Email: john.boyer@abilitiessoft.org
Website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org
Status: 501(C)(3) Nonprofit
Location: Madison, Wisconsin USA
Mission: To develop softwares and provide STEM services for people with
disabilities which are available at no cost.


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John J. Boyer; President,
AbilitiesSoft, Inc.
Email: john.boyer@abilitiessoft.org
Website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org
Status: 501(C)(3) Nonprofit
Location: Madison, Wisconsin USA
Mission: To develop softwares and provide STEM services for people with
disabilities which are available at no cost.
Re: How do you read ALT in a table?

Quentin Christensen
 

Excellent.  I seem to have had in mind that the table alt text was a new thing.  If you've got it in Office 2010 it must just be that I hadn't noticed it earlier.

Regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Jul 28, 2016 at 1:14 PM, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:

Hi Quentin.


Thanks for that.I was guessing that the long description shortcut may be used, but not with the current version of NVDA.

I do have a master copy here from saturday i will give it a whirl with that, then put in the shortcut for it into the tutorial.
I just tryed it and when I now come across the table it will speak the table name for example school time table and when I do the long description with NVDA key + D it will speak out what I had put in there as in the description.

I usually look up to see what has been done in the master snapshot and have a bit of a play to see what to do, then write on how to use certain parts of it that may get used.

The stuff I am writing up is more the basic of using power point, excel and word with the copy of office I am using.
It should work on other versions if supported.

Gene nz


On 28/07/2016 1:53 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi Gene,

I came across this recently as I am nearly finished writing the "Microsoft Word with NVDA" course myself.

What we've done is read the alt "title" as you move onto the table, and the description is used as Long description (press NVDA+D in browse mode).

This is in the latest master build at least.  Issue is #5943 (closed): https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/5943

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Jul 28, 2016 at 11:36 AM, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:
Hi guys


I am putting together a basic tutorial on how to use Microsoft word.


I can insert a table etc but after I enter in the alt text for the table
when I come across it in the document it does not report the ALT text
that I have put in. When I go to check again the table properties the
ALT text is there along with the description. But when i go back to the
document it is not read out. Is there already a ticket for this? or is
there a new key stroke i do not know about.



I can give steps to recreate the problem if it has not been done
already. If a ticket has not be done and can be created, could some one
else do it i do not like the way it is now.



Any help would be great. By the way I am using microsoft word 2010 and
nvda 1016.2.1 and windows 10 .

Gene nz

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Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA E-Book now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 

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--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA E-Book now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 
Re: How do you read ALT in a table?

Kenny Dog <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi Quentin.


Thanks for that.I was guessing that the long description shortcut may be used, but not with the current version of NVDA.

I do have a master copy here from saturday i will give it a whirl with that, then put in the shortcut for it into the tutorial.
I just tryed it and when I now come across the table it will speak the table name for example school time table and when I do the long description with NVDA key + D it will speak out what I had put in there as in the description.

I usually look up to see what has been done in the master snapshot and have a bit of a play to see what to do, then write on how to use certain parts of it that may get used.

The stuff I am writing up is more the basic of using power point, excel and word with the copy of office I am using.
It should work on other versions if supported.

Gene nz

On 28/07/2016 1:53 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi Gene,

I came across this recently as I am nearly finished writing the "Microsoft Word with NVDA" course myself.

What we've done is read the alt "title" as you move onto the table, and the description is used as Long description (press NVDA+D in browse mode).

This is in the latest master build at least.  Issue is #5943 (closed): https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/5943

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Jul 28, 2016 at 11:36 AM, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:
Hi guys


I am putting together a basic tutorial on how to use Microsoft word.


I can insert a table etc but after I enter in the alt text for the table
when I come across it in the document it does not report the ALT text
that I have put in. When I go to check again the table properties the
ALT text is there along with the description. But when i go back to the
document it is not read out. Is there already a ticket for this? or is
there a new key stroke i do not know about.



I can give steps to recreate the problem if it has not been done
already. If a ticket has not be done and can be created, could some one
else do it i do not like the way it is now.



Any help would be great. By the way I am using microsoft word 2010 and
nvda 1016.2.1 and windows 10 .

Gene nz

--
Check out my website for nvda tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net







--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA E-Book now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 

-- 
Check out my website for nvda tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net
Battle With Win10

David Russell
 

Hello group,
Late this afternoon I began having troubles in earnest with windows 10
forcing an install. NVDA did not read this was occurring, it was all
behind the scenes according to my wife who is sighted.

I did go to control panel, windows update, change settings and chose
the install automatic updates. This was suggested by an article at
make use of .com. It did not work.

My wife was able to again stop the install, but the problem is likely
to occur when my computer goes into low power mode, after not being
used for a few minutes.

This is quite disconcerting and evidently a widespread problem, not
just mine or a few others. Any thoughts?

--
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david.sonofhashem@gmail.com
Character consists of what you do on the third and fourth tries.
James A. Michener
Re: Switching accounts in Thunderbird

Tyler Spivey
 

They're all in the tree view.

On 7/27/2016 6:53 PM, John J. Boyer wrote:
I have several accounts on Thunderbird. I get stuck in one account and
can't switch to another. How do I make the switch?

Thanks,
John
Re: How do you read ALT in a table?

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Gene,

I came across this recently as I am nearly finished writing the "Microsoft Word with NVDA" course myself.

What we've done is read the alt "title" as you move onto the table, and the description is used as Long description (press NVDA+D in browse mode).

This is in the latest master build at least.  Issue is #5943 (closed): https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/5943

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Jul 28, 2016 at 11:36 AM, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:
Hi guys


I am putting together a basic tutorial on how to use Microsoft word.


I can insert a table etc but after I enter in the alt text for the table
when I come across it in the document it does not report the ALT text
that I have put in. When I go to check again the table properties the
ALT text is there along with the description. But when i go back to the
document it is not read out. Is there already a ticket for this? or is
there a new key stroke i do not know about.



I can give steps to recreate the problem if it has not been done
already. If a ticket has not be done and can be created, could some one
else do it i do not like the way it is now.



Any help would be great. By the way I am using microsoft word 2010 and
nvda 1016.2.1 and windows 10 .

Gene nz

--
Check out my website for nvda tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net







--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA E-Book now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 
Switching accounts in Thunderbird

John J. Boyer
 

I have several accounts on Thunderbird. I get stuck in one account and
can't switch to another. How do I make the switch?

Thanks,
John

--
John J. Boyer; President,
AbilitiesSoft, Inc.
Email: john.boyer@abilitiessoft.org
Website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org
Status: 501(C)(3) Nonprofit
Location: Madison, Wisconsin USA
Mission: To develop softwares and provide STEM services for people with
disabilities which are available at no cost.
How do you read ALT text in a table?

Kenny Dog <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi guys


I am putting together a basic tutorial on how to use Microsoft word.


I can insert a table etc but after I enter in the alt text for the table
when I come across it in the document it does not report the ALT text
that I have put in. When I go to check again the table properties the
ALT text is there along with the description. But when i go back to the
document it is not read out. Is there already a ticket for this? or is
there a new key stroke i do not know about.



I can give steps to recreate the problem if it has not been done
already. If a ticket has not be done and can be created, could some one
else do it i do not like the way it is now.



Any help would be great. By the way I am using microsoft word 2010 and
nvda 1016.2.1 and windows 10 .

Gene nz

--
Check out my website for nvda tutorials and other blindness related
material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net
How do you read ALT in a table?

Kenny Dog <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi guys


I am putting together a basic tutorial on how to use Microsoft word.


I can insert a table etc but after I enter in the alt text for the table
when I come across it in the document it does not report the ALT text
that I have put in. When I go to check again the table properties the
ALT text is there along with the description. But when i go back to the
document it is not read out. Is there already a ticket for this? or is
there a new key stroke i do not know about.



I can give steps to recreate the problem if it has not been done
already. If a ticket has not be done and can be created, could some one
else do it i do not like the way it is now.



Any help would be great. By the way I am using microsoft word 2010 and
nvda 1016.2.1 and windows 10 .

Gene nz

--
Check out my website for nvda tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net
Re: NVDA and Sudden Strange Behavior with Outlook 2016

Pranav Lal
 

Dan,


I am experiencing the same thing from today.  I don’t have a fix.

 

Pranav

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dan Kerstetter
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2016 11:41 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and Sudden Strange Behavior with Outlook 2016

 

Hello all.

 

For the past few days, NVDA has been saying “no associated drafts” before each email message in the message list in Outlook 2016.

 

I’ve made no changes in outlook.  Is there a way to stop this?  I have a large number of emails each day and those few words add time to the process.

 

Any suggestions would be appreciated.

 

Thanks.

 

Dan

 
Re: NVDA and Sudden Strange Behavior with Outlook 2016

Pranav Lal
 

Hi Dan,

 

I have checked the settings of the current view but am unable to read what columns are selected or unselected. I suspect we have some extraneous columns selected which are causing the extra bit to be spoken.

 

Pranav

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dan Kerstetter
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2016 11:41 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and Sudden Strange Behavior with Outlook 2016

 

Hello all.

 

For the past few days, NVDA has been saying “no associated drafts” before each email message in the message list in Outlook 2016.

 

I’ve made no changes in outlook.  Is there a way to stop this?  I have a large number of emails each day and those few words add time to the process.

 

Any suggestions would be appreciated.

 

Thanks.

 

Dan

 
Re: reading objects in Microsoft Word

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Kevin,

Text boxes are problematic and really the best solution is to convince people to just stop using them.  Failing that, this question actually came up last week, so I'll share what I wrote in answer to that here:

NVDA doesn't currently have a direct keystroke, it's something we could look into.  For now, though, there are still a couple of ways of reading text boxes currently:

If the text boxes are positioned "in line with text", they can be found within the text of the document.  Currently they are identified as "slash" though that's something we're working on.  Most text boxes are not in line with text (as floating is the default and having them in line with text makes them harder to drag around and position with the mouse - which is really the point of text boxes)

Once you are in a text box (or picture or other object) you can press TAB to move between them.  You can add a text box into a document by pressing alt+n, x, enter then press escape once (so you are out of the text itself but the text box is still selected), then you can press TAB to move between the objects in the document (this wraps so if you press TAB on the last object in the document it will jump back to the first object).  Be sure to either delete the text box you added or not save changes to this document!

You can also use the accessibility checker, which is handy for finding things but I'll warn you it's not the most direct route:  In Word 2016 you can get to this from the "tell me what you want to do" edit box by pressing alt+q and typing "check", but from 2013 (or from 2016) you can press alt+f (file menu), then i (info tab), then i (inspect document) then down arrow to check accessibility.  This opens the check accessibility task pane but unfortunately puts the focus back in your document so you need to press F6.  This shows any accessibility issues, so if you down arrow through the details it will say "Warning" then "objects not inline", then "text box 2" (not sure why, they all seem to be called text box 2?).  Press enter on that text box and press SHIFT+F6 to jump back to your document with the text box selected (this works the same as the previous method of adding a new text box but without changing your document.  It is more cumbersome though, I'll not deny that!).

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Jul 28, 2016 at 1:29 AM, Kevin Huber <kevin.huber1@...> wrote:
Hi:

I have a Microsoft Word document which contains a couple of boxes tha
contain text.  I am able to read the contents of these boxes using
Window-eyes but I do not no how to read these boxes using NVDA.
Is there a way to do this?
Kevin Huber






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Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA E-Book now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 
Re: Windows 10 Upgrade?

Kenny Dog <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi David


have a look under your C:\ drive. if there is only a program file there
it is a 32 bit machine.


If it says program file and also has a extra directory called program
files x86 then this is a 64 bit machine.


There is a audio tutorial on upgrading from window 8 I think it is to
windows 10 and the steps to do it.


You will only be able to use your screen reader up to a part, then when
it starts to reboot 7 times there will be no screen reader support.
There will be a time it may vary then you bring up narrator to finish
off the job.

The link can be found on my nvda audio tutorial page at
http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/nvda%20audio%20tutorials.html

You will need to look for the heading that refers about upgrading to
windows 10. It can also be found on my nvda tutorials for windows 10
page as well at
http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/nvda%20audio%20tutorials.html



most upgrades do go nicely but you do have the odd one or 2 that cause
trouble. In that case it might be drivers needed or not supported.


By the way i think the free upgrade ends at the 29th of this month.


hope this helps.




Gene nz

On 28/07/2016 4:06 AM, David Russell wrote:
Hi NVDA group,

I currently have Win7 on my computer, but am noticing the frequency of
upgrade to win10 is occurring more often during the day. My questions
are these:
-If I select yes, will it write over Win7 or somehow make win7 disabled?

-Will "all programs" currently accessed be moved to function in win10?

-How do I tell if the version upgrade is 32-bit or 64-bit? I do have
the latest version of NVDA running.

Thanks for the help which will lead me to move or not move.
Regards,
--
Check out my website for nvda tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net
Re: Windows 10 Upgrade?

Kenny Dog <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi David


have a look under your C:\ drive. if there is only a program file there
it is a 32 bit machine.


If it says program file and also has a extra directory called program
files x86 then this is a 64 bit machine.


There is a audio tutorial on upgrading from window 8 I think it is to
windows 10 and the steps to do it.


You will only be able to use your screen reader up to a part, then when
it starts to reboot 7 times there will be no screen reader support.
There will be a time it may vary then you bring up narrator to finish
off the job.

The link can be found on my nvda audio tutorial page at
http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/nvda%20audio%20tutorials.html

You will need to look for the heading that refers about upgrading to
windows 10. It can also be found on my nvda tutorials for windows 10
page as well at
http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/nvda%20audio%20tutorials.html



most upgrades do go nicely but you do have the odd one or 2 that cause
trouble. In that case it might be drivers needed or not supported.


By the way i think the free upgrade ends at the 29th of this month.


hope this helps.




Gene nz

On 28/07/2016 4:06 AM, David Russell wrote:
Hi NVDA group,

I currently have Win7 on my computer, but am noticing the frequency of
upgrade to win10 is occurring more often during the day. My questions
are these:
-If I select yes, will it write over Win7 or somehow make win7 disabled?

-Will "all programs" currently accessed be moved to function in win10?

-How do I tell if the version upgrade is 32-bit or 64-bit? I do have
the latest version of NVDA running.

Thanks for the help which will lead me to move or not move.
Regards,
--
Check out my website for nvda tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net
Re: can't go back to the inbox in thunderbird

Kevin Cussick
 

and press f 6 to go back to the in box.

On 27/07/2016 17:42, Ron Canazzi wrote:
To close any window in Firefox or Thunderbird, press control + W.



On 7/27/2016 12:33 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, Jacob,

When I went into thunderbird, I was taken to the add-ons manager
instead of
the inbox. What do I do to get back to the inbox tab?



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jacob
Kruger
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2016 9:18 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] can't go back to the inbox in thunderbird

I open my messages in a new window to read them, and thus when I close
that
window, it just goes back to message listing.




Under tools menu, options, select display from list in window that
comes up,
and tab over to a set of radio buttons for open messages in - and, think
also turned off any form of preview pane somewhere, but, can't remember
exactly.




Stay well, and HTH




Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."
On 2016-07-27 5:58 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:


Hi, everyone,



After reading a message in thunderbird, I couldn't go back to the
inbox. I even tried to end the task with the task manager but to no
avail.
What could be going on?



Thanks for your help in advance.



Rosemarie
Re: can't go back to the inbox in thunderbird

Kevin Cussick
 

press control w.

On 27/07/2016 17:33, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, Jacob,

When I went into thunderbird, I was taken to the add-ons manager instead of
the inbox. What do I do to get back to the inbox tab?



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jacob
Kruger
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2016 9:18 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] can't go back to the inbox in thunderbird

I open my messages in a new window to read them, and thus when I close that
window, it just goes back to message listing.




Under tools menu, options, select display from list in window that comes up,
and tab over to a set of radio buttons for open messages in - and, think
also turned off any form of preview pane somewhere, but, can't remember
exactly.




Stay well, and HTH




Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."
On 2016-07-27 5:58 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:


Hi, everyone,



After reading a message in thunderbird, I couldn't go back to the
inbox. I even tried to end the task with the task manager but to no avail.
What could be going on?



Thanks for your help in advance.



Rosemarie
Re: Accessible radio player software for windows?

Kevin Cussick
 

tapin radio is hard to beat.

On 27/07/2016 16:15, Matt Turner wrote:
Hi, subject says it all.

Any one no of any good ones?
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