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Re: NVDA and Outlook message status

Kevin Huber
 

Hi Brian:

I am using Outlook 2016 and Window-eyes reads when messages are
forwarded, replyed to or unread, whereas, NVDA does not read that
information.
Kevin Huber

On 7/28/16, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:
FYI, I also just tried Window-Eyes and it's not behaving any differently
than NVDA in what it reads when going through your inbox under Outlook
2010.

--
Brian

I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never
enough to keep up.
~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in
the Universe"


Re: Battle With Win10

Brian's Mail list account BY <bglists@...>
 

Basically yes.
Beware though as some items, particularly on laptops have strange drivers only possibly available from the manufacturers. If its 10 keep it ten on a new machine. Turn off edge and use ie or firefox seems to be the way to go.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Pascal Lambert" <casablanca_31@hotmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2016 7:56 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Battle With Win10


How about machines that came with Win10 installed? Do you have to do a fresh install of Win7 if you decide to get rid of win10? The big issue for me is MS Edge! Hopefully the August update will solve the related issues.

Thanks

Blessings

Pascal



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2016 1:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Battle With Win10



If you take a full backup, including a system image (which is the critical thing in this case), you can also choose to roll-back to Windows 7 or Windows 8/8.1 after the 30-day built-in rollback expires or if it fails (and it sometimes has).

For anyone who is thinking they really want to go to Windows 10 my advice would be to make a system image backup of your current system to your external backup drive and do your upgrade today or tomorrow. Once a given piece of hardware is licensed to run Windows 10 you can roll back to your earlier version if that's what you want for the time being and then install Windows 10 again, at no cost, at your desired time. I intend to do this with my remaining two Windows 7 machines.
--
Brian

I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up.

~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"


Re: Battle With Win10

 

Hmmm its some note taking app it allows you to draw on it but I don't use it.
Its like a scratch pad I think.

On 29/07/2016 2:07 p.m., Pauline Smith wrote:
What exactly is OneNote? What does it do?


Pauline



On 7/28/2016 7:38 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Well while not exactly windows10 related, it seems that journal is
being retired because its not secure.
Here's the thing, onenote seems to currently be free and I wander
if the blind can use it.
I don't want or need it exactly but I would be interested if it was
actually usable.



On 29/07/2016 10:58 a.m., Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Iupgraded to windows 10 almost a year ago and have found that you can do
pretty much the same things as in windows 7.



On 7/28/2016 2:15 PM, Alexander Masic wrote:
I really hate that rumers wich flouting around in the blind community.
for you who is so critical to window 10, explay for me what you can do
in e.g windows 7, but not in windows 10! Igues nothing. everything
works well in window 10 as in windows 7, but some tasks you nead to do
in anothe way. So upgrade upgrade upgrade upgrade upgrade upgrade!!!!!


I have run windows 10 for almost 1 year now and i cant se anything i
really missing.

Yes! off course there is things who nead to be improved, e.g edge and
things like that. However you are able to do easy same things in
windows 10 as in windows 7.

So i,m still waiting from you an explanation from you who is so
critical, an really made propaganda to other blind to not upgrade a
reason why?



Den 2016-07-28 kl. 22:18, skrev Shaun Everiss:
Good luck is all I will say.
The servers will be overloaded with lastcomers and that means a
long wait for all you laters.



On 29/07/2016 4:18 a.m., Scott VanDeWalle wrote:
Hi, i'm going to go out on a limb here and say that if you are at
all
considering upgrading to win 10 you should do it today.
That way for one thing you will not have to worry about having to
even
pay attention to that thing about win 10 being free for users of
assistive technology. I don't know, but i bet the process is a
pain to
do and myself, i just would not want to bother with it.
Not telling yall what to do but if it was me and i did not yet have a
copy of windows 10, i'd be really worried right now. smile.
Have a nice day and good luck with whatever you decide to do.

Scott
Original message:
I would hate to be the person that decides to update after tomorrow.
On 7/28/16, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@blueyonder.co.uk>
wrote:
Not for us blind folk I understand somehow we have at least
another
month
to do it according to news I've read but in fact I'd like to know
how it
knows you are blind.
Brian
bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2016 8:31 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Battle With Win10

well it won't matter anyway.
win10 upgrade ends tomorrow so it won't matter much.


On 28/07/2016 6:54 p.m., Felix G. wrote:
Hi,
at http://ultimateoutsider.com/downloads/ there is a tool
which can
prevent
Win 10 related activity on Win 7 machines, according to the
description.
It
looks very well put together and worked for me.
Had a forced install happen on my machine at home. It rebooted,
then
after
a few hours it came back as Win 10. I just kept it but I sure
didn't
like
the experience of having it forced upon me. Paradoxically I
wanted it
anyway but still this does make a philosophical difference.
Greetings,
Felix Grützmacher
David Russell <david.sonofhashem@gmail.com> schrieb am Do., 28.
Juli
2016
um 04:26 Uhr:
Hello group,
Late this afternoon I began having troubles in earnest with
windows 10
forcing an install. NVDA did not read this was occurring, it
was all
behind the scenes according to my wife who is sighted.
I did go to control panel, windows update, change settings and
chose
the install automatic updates. This was suggested by an
article at
make use of .com. It did not work.
My wife was able to again stop the install, but the problem is
likely
to occur when my computer goes into low power mode, after not
being
used for a few minutes.
This is quite disconcerting and evidently a widespread problem,
not
just mine or a few others. Any thoughts?
--
David Russell
david.sonofhashem@gmail.com
Character consists of what you do on the third and fourth tries.
James A. Michener














--
Lenron Brown
Cell: 985-271-2832
Skype: ron.brown762


.











Re: just noticed something strange in thunderbird

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I'm not worried about it. I was just wondering. Now it's working correctly.




On 7/28/2016 7:19 PM, Governor staten wrote:

I wouldn't worry about it. You can type messages properly? If so, it's not a big deal.






On 7/28/2016 9:44 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, everyone,


I'm noticing that when I start a new message, I'm taken to focus mode now. Is this a new thing now? Just wondering.


Rosemarie









Re: just noticed something strange in thunderbird

Tyler Spivey
 

Please tell me what you get when you press shift tab from the message
list. If you get an edit box, shift tab again.
Also, go to the view menu, then layout. Make sure folder pane is checked.

On 7/28/2016 7:56 PM, John J. Boyer wrote:
I find a lot of strange things in Thunderbird. The suggestions
for geting to the tree view that shows my accounts don't work.
Apparently Braille does not work well in Thunderbird. I seem to be the
only one using Braille. That is because I am deafblind.

John

On Thu, Jul 28, 2016 at 06:44:44PM -0700, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, everyone,


I'm noticing that when I start a new message, I'm taken to focus mode now.
Is this a new thing now? Just wondering.


Rosemarie





Re: just noticed something strange in thunderbird

John J. Boyer
 

I find a lot of strange things in Thunderbird. The suggestions
for geting to the tree view that shows my accounts don't work.
Apparently Braille does not work well in Thunderbird. I seem to be the
only one using Braille. That is because I am deafblind.

John

On Thu, Jul 28, 2016 at 06:44:44PM -0700, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, everyone,


I'm noticing that when I start a new message, I'm taken to focus mode now.
Is this a new thing now? Just wondering.


Rosemarie




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Re: just noticed something strange in thunderbird

 

I wouldn't worry about it. You can type messages properly? If so, it's not a big deal.






On 7/28/2016 9:44 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, everyone,


I'm noticing that when I start a new message, I'm taken to focus mode now. Is this a new thing now? Just wondering.


Rosemarie








Re: Battle With Win10

Pauline Smith
 

What exactly is OneNote? What does it do?


Pauline

On 7/28/2016 7:38 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Well while not exactly windows10 related, it seems that journal is being retired because its not secure.
Here's the thing, onenote seems to currently be free and I wander if the blind can use it.
I don't want or need it exactly but I would be interested if it was actually usable.



On 29/07/2016 10:58 a.m., Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Iupgraded to windows 10 almost a year ago and have found that you can do
pretty much the same things as in windows 7.



On 7/28/2016 2:15 PM, Alexander Masic wrote:
I really hate that rumers wich flouting around in the blind community.
for you who is so critical to window 10, explay for me what you can do
in e.g windows 7, but not in windows 10! Igues nothing. everything
works well in window 10 as in windows 7, but some tasks you nead to do
in anothe way. So upgrade upgrade upgrade upgrade upgrade upgrade!!!!!


I have run windows 10 for almost 1 year now and i cant se anything i
really missing.

Yes! off course there is things who nead to be improved, e.g edge and
things like that. However you are able to do easy same things in
windows 10 as in windows 7.

So i,m still waiting from you an explanation from you who is so
critical, an really made propaganda to other blind to not upgrade a
reason why?



Den 2016-07-28 kl. 22:18, skrev Shaun Everiss:
Good luck is all I will say.
The servers will be overloaded with lastcomers and that means a
long wait for all you laters.



On 29/07/2016 4:18 a.m., Scott VanDeWalle wrote:
Hi, i'm going to go out on a limb here and say that if you are at all
considering upgrading to win 10 you should do it today.
That way for one thing you will not have to worry about having to even
pay attention to that thing about win 10 being free for users of
assistive technology. I don't know, but i bet the process is a pain to
do and myself, i just would not want to bother with it.
Not telling yall what to do but if it was me and i did not yet have a
copy of windows 10, i'd be really worried right now. smile.
Have a nice day and good luck with whatever you decide to do.

Scott
Original message:
I would hate to be the person that decides to update after tomorrow.
On 7/28/16, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@blueyonder.co.uk>
wrote:
Not for us blind folk I understand somehow we have at least another
month
to do it according to news I've read but in fact I'd like to know
how it
knows you are blind.
Brian
bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2016 8:31 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Battle With Win10

well it won't matter anyway.
win10 upgrade ends tomorrow so it won't matter much.


On 28/07/2016 6:54 p.m., Felix G. wrote:
Hi,
at http://ultimateoutsider.com/downloads/ there is a tool which can
prevent
Win 10 related activity on Win 7 machines, according to the
description.
It
looks very well put together and worked for me.
Had a forced install happen on my machine at home. It rebooted,
then
after
a few hours it came back as Win 10. I just kept it but I sure
didn't
like
the experience of having it forced upon me. Paradoxically I
wanted it
anyway but still this does make a philosophical difference.
Greetings,
Felix Grützmacher
David Russell <david.sonofhashem@gmail.com> schrieb am Do., 28.
Juli
2016
um 04:26 Uhr:
Hello group,
Late this afternoon I began having troubles in earnest with
windows 10
forcing an install. NVDA did not read this was occurring, it
was all
behind the scenes according to my wife who is sighted.
I did go to control panel, windows update, change settings and
chose
the install automatic updates. This was suggested by an article at
make use of .com. It did not work.
My wife was able to again stop the install, but the problem is
likely
to occur when my computer goes into low power mode, after not
being
used for a few minutes.
This is quite disconcerting and evidently a widespread problem,
not
just mine or a few others. Any thoughts?
--
David Russell
david.sonofhashem@gmail.com
Character consists of what you do on the third and fourth tries.
James A. Michener














--
Lenron Brown
Cell: 985-271-2832
Skype: ron.brown762


.








just noticed something strange in thunderbird

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, everyone,


I'm noticing that when I start a new message, I'm taken to focus mode now. Is this a new thing now? Just wondering.


Rosemarie


Re: NVDA and Sudden Strange Behavior with Outlook 2016

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

That's why I switched to thunderbird.




On 7/28/2016 6:26 PM, Pranav Lal wrote:

Hi all,

 

In a way, the “know associated draft” message is more consistent because NVDA would always tell me if I had an associated draft with a message.

 

Having said that, it is annoying and I have been unable to figure out how to turn off the notification.

Pranav

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dan Kerstetter
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2016 11:41 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and Sudden Strange Behavior with Outlook 2016

 

Hello all.

 

For the past few days, NVDA has been saying “no associated drafts” before each email message in the message list in Outlook 2016.

 

I’ve made no changes in outlook.  Is there a way to stop this?  I have a large number of emails each day and those few words add time to the process.

 

Any suggestions would be appreciated.

 

Thanks.

 

Dan

 



Re: NVDA and Outlook message status

Pranav Lal
 

Hi Brian,

 

Could you check the view settings in outlook? What columns are displayed in the current view? As for conversations, there is a check box which shows you each conversation as a tree view.

 

Pranav

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2016 7:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Outlook message status

 

I've been playing with this somewhat since yesterday and I can confirm Christo's statement that NVDA does not read, for lack of a better phrase, the forwarding or reply status of a message in one's inbox under Outlook 2010.

I even tried removing the icon column to see if Outlook would stop stripping the "Fwd:" or "Re:" prefix from the message subject in its own display, and it did not.  The icon presented, when that column is present, for a forwarded message is no different than any other new message.

What's even more perverse to me is that when there is a conversation (AKA thread) created by responding back-and-forth to a given message my inbox display is not even showing the subject itself for anything but the conversation itself.  You only see a subject if you hover over the subject area, which would gain focus as you go through the list with a screen reader, but I can't imagine what earthly purpose is served by this and it's not been called-out as a bug, yet, and remains unexplained.

I've used Outlook 2007, but it's been a very long while since I did so, and have also installed instances of Outlook 2013 and 2016, but don't have them at hand, either.

I was always accustomed to knowing whether a message was a forward or reply based on the subject itself having the correct prefix.  I could swear that this prefix was present and being read in Outlook in the past, but it's not on my Outlook 2010 instance and I have yet to identify a way to change that.
--
Brian

I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up.

         ~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"

    

 


Re: NVDA and Sudden Strange Behavior with Outlook 2016

Pranav Lal
 

Hi all,

 

In a way, the “know associated draft” message is more consistent because NVDA would always tell me if I had an associated draft with a message.

 

Having said that, it is annoying and I have been unable to figure out how to turn off the notification.

Pranav

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dan Kerstetter
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2016 11:41 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and Sudden Strange Behavior with Outlook 2016

 

Hello all.

 

For the past few days, NVDA has been saying “no associated drafts” before each email message in the message list in Outlook 2016.

 

I’ve made no changes in outlook.  Is there a way to stop this?  I have a large number of emails each day and those few words add time to the process.

 

Any suggestions would be appreciated.

 

Thanks.

 

Dan

 


Re: Battle With Win10

 

Well while not exactly windows10 related, it seems that journal is being retired because its not secure.
Here's the thing, onenote seems to currently be free and I wander if the blind can use it.
I don't want or need it exactly but I would be interested if it was actually usable.

On 29/07/2016 10:58 a.m., Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Iupgraded to windows 10 almost a year ago and have found that you can do
pretty much the same things as in windows 7.



On 7/28/2016 2:15 PM, Alexander Masic wrote:
I really hate that rumers wich flouting around in the blind community.
for you who is so critical to window 10, explay for me what you can do
in e.g windows 7, but not in windows 10! Igues nothing. everything
works well in window 10 as in windows 7, but some tasks you nead to do
in anothe way. So upgrade upgrade upgrade upgrade upgrade upgrade!!!!!


I have run windows 10 for almost 1 year now and i cant se anything i
really missing.

Yes! off course there is things who nead to be improved, e.g edge and
things like that. However you are able to do easy same things in
windows 10 as in windows 7.

So i,m still waiting from you an explanation from you who is so
critical, an really made propaganda to other blind to not upgrade a
reason why?



Den 2016-07-28 kl. 22:18, skrev Shaun Everiss:
Good luck is all I will say.
The servers will be overloaded with lastcomers and that means a
long wait for all you laters.



On 29/07/2016 4:18 a.m., Scott VanDeWalle wrote:
Hi, i'm going to go out on a limb here and say that if you are at all
considering upgrading to win 10 you should do it today.
That way for one thing you will not have to worry about having to even
pay attention to that thing about win 10 being free for users of
assistive technology. I don't know, but i bet the process is a pain to
do and myself, i just would not want to bother with it.
Not telling yall what to do but if it was me and i did not yet have a
copy of windows 10, i'd be really worried right now. smile.
Have a nice day and good luck with whatever you decide to do.

Scott
Original message:
I would hate to be the person that decides to update after tomorrow.
On 7/28/16, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@blueyonder.co.uk>
wrote:
Not for us blind folk I understand somehow we have at least another
month
to do it according to news I've read but in fact I'd like to know
how it
knows you are blind.
Brian
bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2016 8:31 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Battle With Win10

well it won't matter anyway.
win10 upgrade ends tomorrow so it won't matter much.


On 28/07/2016 6:54 p.m., Felix G. wrote:
Hi,
at http://ultimateoutsider.com/downloads/ there is a tool which can
prevent
Win 10 related activity on Win 7 machines, according to the
description.
It
looks very well put together and worked for me.
Had a forced install happen on my machine at home. It rebooted,
then
after
a few hours it came back as Win 10. I just kept it but I sure
didn't
like
the experience of having it forced upon me. Paradoxically I
wanted it
anyway but still this does make a philosophical difference.
Greetings,
Felix Grützmacher
David Russell <david.sonofhashem@gmail.com> schrieb am Do., 28.
Juli
2016
um 04:26 Uhr:
Hello group,
Late this afternoon I began having troubles in earnest with
windows 10
forcing an install. NVDA did not read this was occurring, it
was all
behind the scenes according to my wife who is sighted.
I did go to control panel, windows update, change settings and
chose
the install automatic updates. This was suggested by an article at
make use of .com. It did not work.
My wife was able to again stop the install, but the problem is
likely
to occur when my computer goes into low power mode, after not
being
used for a few minutes.
This is quite disconcerting and evidently a widespread problem,
not
just mine or a few others. Any thoughts?
--
David Russell
david.sonofhashem@gmail.com
Character consists of what you do on the third and fourth tries.
James A. Michener














--
Lenron Brown
Cell: 985-271-2832
Skype: ron.brown762


.






Re: Battle With Win10

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Iupgraded to windows 10 almost a year ago and have found that you can do pretty much the same things as in windows 7.

On 7/28/2016 2:15 PM, Alexander Masic wrote:
I really hate that rumers wich flouting around in the blind community. for you who is so critical to window 10, explay for me what you can do in e.g windows 7, but not in windows 10! Igues nothing. everything works well in window 10 as in windows 7, but some tasks you nead to do in anothe way. So upgrade upgrade upgrade upgrade upgrade upgrade!!!!!


I have run windows 10 for almost 1 year now and i cant se anything i really missing.

Yes! off course there is things who nead to be improved, e.g edge and things like that. However you are able to do easy same things in windows 10 as in windows 7.

So i,m still waiting from you an explanation from you who is so critical, an really made propaganda to other blind to not upgrade a reason why?



Den 2016-07-28 kl. 22:18, skrev Shaun Everiss:
Good luck is all I will say.
The servers will be overloaded with lastcomers and that means a long wait for all you laters.



On 29/07/2016 4:18 a.m., Scott VanDeWalle wrote:
Hi, i'm going to go out on a limb here and say that if you are at all
considering upgrading to win 10 you should do it today.
That way for one thing you will not have to worry about having to even
pay attention to that thing about win 10 being free for users of
assistive technology. I don't know, but i bet the process is a pain to
do and myself, i just would not want to bother with it.
Not telling yall what to do but if it was me and i did not yet have a
copy of windows 10, i'd be really worried right now. smile.
Have a nice day and good luck with whatever you decide to do.

Scott
Original message:
I would hate to be the person that decides to update after tomorrow.
On 7/28/16, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
Not for us blind folk I understand somehow we have at least another
month
to do it according to news I've read but in fact I'd like to know how it
knows you are blind.
Brian
bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2016 8:31 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Battle With Win10

well it won't matter anyway.
win10 upgrade ends tomorrow so it won't matter much.


On 28/07/2016 6:54 p.m., Felix G. wrote:
Hi,
at http://ultimateoutsider.com/downloads/ there is a tool which can
prevent
Win 10 related activity on Win 7 machines, according to the
description.
It
looks very well put together and worked for me.
Had a forced install happen on my machine at home. It rebooted, then
after
a few hours it came back as Win 10. I just kept it but I sure didn't
like
the experience of having it forced upon me. Paradoxically I wanted it
anyway but still this does make a philosophical difference.
Greetings,
Felix Grützmacher
David Russell <david.sonofhashem@gmail.com> schrieb am Do., 28. Juli
2016
um 04:26 Uhr:
Hello group,
Late this afternoon I began having troubles in earnest with
windows 10
forcing an install. NVDA did not read this was occurring, it was all
behind the scenes according to my wife who is sighted.
I did go to control panel, windows update, change settings and chose
the install automatic updates. This was suggested by an article at
make use of .com. It did not work.
My wife was able to again stop the install, but the problem is likely
to occur when my computer goes into low power mode, after not being
used for a few minutes.
This is quite disconcerting and evidently a widespread problem, not
just mine or a few others. Any thoughts?
--
David Russell
david.sonofhashem@gmail.com
Character consists of what you do on the third and fourth tries.
James A. Michener














--
Lenron Brown
Cell: 985-271-2832
Skype: ron.brown762


.



Re: Switching accounts in Thunderbird

Life My Way
 

there is also an extenchen which i use that will allow you to make seperate accounts/profiles for thunderbird that works great.

On 7/28/2016 5:12 PM, Ben J. Bloomgren wrote:
John,

Thunderbird is an application of the Thunderbird is an application of the tab key. You have to shift had backed into you find the Treeview. That's where the accounts will all be. I have a lot of different accounts in there too.

Ben

On Jul 27, 2016, at 18:53, John J. Boyer <john.boyer@abilitiessoft.org> wrote:

I have several accounts on Thunderbird. I get stuck in one account and
can't switch to another. How do I make the switch?

Thanks,
John

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Re: Switching accounts in Thunderbird

Ben J. Bloomgren
 

John,

Thunderbird is an application of the Thunderbird is an application of the tab key. You have to shift had backed into you find the Treeview. That's where the accounts will all be. I have a lot of different accounts in there too.

Ben

On Jul 27, 2016, at 18:53, John J. Boyer <john.boyer@abilitiessoft.org> wrote:

I have several accounts on Thunderbird. I get stuck in one account and
can't switch to another. How do I make the switch?

Thanks,
John

--
John J. Boyer; President,
AbilitiesSoft, Inc.
Email: john.boyer@abilitiessoft.org
Website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org
Status: 501(C)(3) Nonprofit
Location: Madison, Wisconsin USA
Mission: To develop softwares and provide STEM services for people with
disabilities which are available at no cost.




Re: Accessible radio player software for windows?

Ben J. Bloomgren
 

Gene,

I have heard stuff like that. It has to do with our best friend Clear Channel Communications. These people don't know what open access is. Also, we must deal with the ever increasing problem of Geo blocking. It's their favorite way of making sure that British people here British programming, but we Americans are out of the loop. It's not just clear channel. A lot of them are doing it. I hear that people even down to New Zealand are doing it. They used to be one of the last bass Jens of the ones that didn't do it. I love tap in radio, but I'm an idealist an optimist and altruist. My Internet would be that any station is available to anyone. If you're not assuming it, you won't see it.

Ben

On Jul 27, 2016, at 09:27, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

Tapin Radio is a good program. Unfortunately, such programs may not have access to as many stations as previously.  I saw something on a list I follow indicating that there is something about rights management and many stations are no longer accessible to such programs.  for some reason, they are restricting their streams to use from their web sites.  I've only seen one comment about this and I'm not saying it is reliable information but such players may not be as useful as previously. 
 
Gene 
----- Original Message -----
From: Mert Anlar
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2016 10:37 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible radio player software for windows?

Hi,
I prefer you to use TapinRadio. i'm using it for a long ago, also it's
accessible
Best wishes, Mert Anlar
On July 27 2016 at 18:15, Matt Turner wrote:
> Hi, subject says it all.
>
> Any one no of any good ones?
>
>
>
>




Re: Battle With Win10

Alexander Masic
 

I really hate that rumers wich flouting around in the blind community. for you who is so critical to window 10, explay for me what you can do in e.g windows 7, but not in windows 10! Igues nothing. everything works well in window 10 as in windows 7, but some tasks you nead to do in anothe way. So upgrade upgrade upgrade upgrade upgrade upgrade!!!!!


I have run windows 10 for almost 1 year now and i cant se anything i really missing.

Yes! off course there is things who nead to be improved, e.g edge and things like that. However you are able to do easy same things in windows 10 as in windows 7.

So i,m still waiting from you an explanation from you who is so critical, an really made propaganda to other blind to not upgrade a reason why?



Den 2016-07-28 kl. 22:18, skrev Shaun Everiss:

Good luck is all I will say.
The servers will be overloaded with lastcomers and that means a long wait for all you laters.



On 29/07/2016 4:18 a.m., Scott VanDeWalle wrote:
Hi, i'm going to go out on a limb here and say that if you are at all
considering upgrading to win 10 you should do it today.
That way for one thing you will not have to worry about having to even
pay attention to that thing about win 10 being free for users of
assistive technology. I don't know, but i bet the process is a pain to
do and myself, i just would not want to bother with it.
Not telling yall what to do but if it was me and i did not yet have a
copy of windows 10, i'd be really worried right now. smile.
Have a nice day and good luck with whatever you decide to do.

Scott
Original message:
I would hate to be the person that decides to update after tomorrow.
On 7/28/16, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
Not for us blind folk I understand somehow we have at least another
month
to do it according to news I've read but in fact I'd like to know how it
knows you are blind.
Brian
bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2016 8:31 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Battle With Win10

well it won't matter anyway.
win10 upgrade ends tomorrow so it won't matter much.


On 28/07/2016 6:54 p.m., Felix G. wrote:
Hi,
at http://ultimateoutsider.com/downloads/ there is a tool which can
prevent
Win 10 related activity on Win 7 machines, according to the
description.
It
looks very well put together and worked for me.
Had a forced install happen on my machine at home. It rebooted, then
after
a few hours it came back as Win 10. I just kept it but I sure didn't
like
the experience of having it forced upon me. Paradoxically I wanted it
anyway but still this does make a philosophical difference.
Greetings,
Felix Grützmacher
David Russell <david.sonofhashem@gmail.com> schrieb am Do., 28. Juli
2016
um 04:26 Uhr:
Hello group,
Late this afternoon I began having troubles in earnest with
windows 10
forcing an install. NVDA did not read this was occurring, it was all
behind the scenes according to my wife who is sighted.
I did go to control panel, windows update, change settings and chose
the install automatic updates. This was suggested by an article at
make use of .com. It did not work.
My wife was able to again stop the install, but the problem is likely
to occur when my computer goes into low power mode, after not being
used for a few minutes.
This is quite disconcerting and evidently a widespread problem, not
just mine or a few others. Any thoughts?
--
David Russell
david.sonofhashem@gmail.com
Character consists of what you do on the third and fourth tries.
James A. Michener














--
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Cell: 985-271-2832
Skype: ron.brown762


.


Re: Battle With Win10

 

Good luck is all I will say.
The servers will be overloaded with lastcomers and that means a long wait for all you laters.

On 29/07/2016 4:18 a.m., Scott VanDeWalle wrote:
Hi, i'm going to go out on a limb here and say that if you are at all
considering upgrading to win 10 you should do it today.
That way for one thing you will not have to worry about having to even
pay attention to that thing about win 10 being free for users of
assistive technology. I don't know, but i bet the process is a pain to
do and myself, i just would not want to bother with it.
Not telling yall what to do but if it was me and i did not yet have a
copy of windows 10, i'd be really worried right now. smile.
Have a nice day and good luck with whatever you decide to do.

Scott
Original message:
I would hate to be the person that decides to update after tomorrow.
On 7/28/16, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
Not for us blind folk I understand somehow we have at least another
month
to do it according to news I've read but in fact I'd like to know how it
knows you are blind.
Brian
bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2016 8:31 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Battle With Win10

well it won't matter anyway.
win10 upgrade ends tomorrow so it won't matter much.


On 28/07/2016 6:54 p.m., Felix G. wrote:
Hi,
at http://ultimateoutsider.com/downloads/ there is a tool which can
prevent
Win 10 related activity on Win 7 machines, according to the
description.
It
looks very well put together and worked for me.
Had a forced install happen on my machine at home. It rebooted, then
after
a few hours it came back as Win 10. I just kept it but I sure didn't
like
the experience of having it forced upon me. Paradoxically I wanted it
anyway but still this does make a philosophical difference.
Greetings,
Felix Grützmacher
David Russell <david.sonofhashem@gmail.com> schrieb am Do., 28. Juli
2016
um 04:26 Uhr:
Hello group,
Late this afternoon I began having troubles in earnest with
windows 10
forcing an install. NVDA did not read this was occurring, it was all
behind the scenes according to my wife who is sighted.
I did go to control panel, windows update, change settings and chose
the install automatic updates. This was suggested by an article at
make use of .com. It did not work.
My wife was able to again stop the install, but the problem is likely
to occur when my computer goes into low power mode, after not being
used for a few minutes.
This is quite disconcerting and evidently a widespread problem, not
just mine or a few others. Any thoughts?
--
David Russell
david.sonofhashem@gmail.com
Character consists of what you do on the third and fourth tries.
James A. Michener














--
Lenron Brown
Cell: 985-271-2832
Skype: ron.brown762

.


Re: Battle With Win10

Gene
 

Yes, you have to install Windows 7.  it's the same as with any machine that you didn't upgrade.  There is nothing older to revert to. 
 
If the main issue is Edge, I don't see that you would gain much of anything by installing Windows 7.  Just install another browser such as Firefox or use Internet Explorer, which, we can assume, will be in Windows 10 until Edge is ready to properly fill its place. 
 
But I think using another browser would be a good idea since Internet Explorer is falling farther behind from a technical standpoint.  It's still getting security updates but it's falling increasingly behind in its ability to use modern web coding, if that's the correct term. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2016 1:56 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Battle With Win10

How about machines that came with Win10 installed?  Do you have to do a fresh install of Win7 if you decide  to get rid of win10?  The big issue for me is MS Edge!  Hopefully the August update will solve the related issues.

Thanks

Blessings

Pascal  

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2016 1:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Battle With Win10

 

If you take a full backup, including a system image (which is the critical thing in this case), you can also choose to roll-back to Windows 7 or Windows 8/8.1 after the 30-day built-in rollback expires or if it fails (and it sometimes has).

For anyone who is thinking they really want to go to Windows 10 my advice would be to make a system image backup of your current system to your external backup drive and do your upgrade today or tomorrow.  Once a given piece of hardware is licensed to run Windows 10 you can roll back to your earlier version if that's what you want for the time being and then install Windows 10 again, at no cost, at your desired time.  I intend to do this with my remaining two Windows 7 machines.
--
Brian

I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up.

         ~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"